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 Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:45 pm Post subject: a CALL to BRING the SETTLERS HOME to ISRAEL |
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FOR THE SAKE OF ISRAEL'S SECURITY, BRING THE SETTLERS HOME
For the past 35 years, more than 200,000 Israeli citizens have been induced by
special economic incentives to settle in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. A recent
comprehensive survey* of settlers found that nearly 80% were motivated by a
desire to create better lives for themselves and their families and not by
ideological or religious reasons. That dream, however, quickly became a
nightmare of constant terror, sniping, murderous incursions into settlements,
and suicide bombings. Simultaneously, enormous suffering has been inflicted upon
the Palestinian population.
The relentless campaign to settle hundreds of thousands of Israelis amidst
millions of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip threatens the moral
foundation of the State. One year after the 1956 Sinai Campaign, Israelšs first
Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion explained to IDF officers the reasons for
Israelšs withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula. Nearly fifty
years later, his speech serves as both warning and grim prophecy.
[I]t was clear that our remaining in Gaza, while the entire world ostracized us
would lead to ... finding ourselves in a hostile sea of terrorism. Our military
authorities would have had to shoot terrorists on a daily basis. ... We would
not have been able to withstand this. For the State of Israel, such a reality
would have become a catastrophe ... . Possibly, this would have destroyed us,
not militarily, but morally - and in my opinion our morality underpins our very
existence.
David Ben-Gurion, Yihud ve-Yi'ud (Tel Aviv) 1971 p. 294
(Translation: Dr. Shai Feldman and Michael Davis)
The settlers have never enhanced Israel's security. On the contrary, their
vulnerability to attack has resulted in the loss of nearly a thousand Israeli
soldiers and civilians in the last 35 years and hundreds in just the past two
years. Those who live on land expected to be negotiated as part of the new State
of Palestine -- especially those in settlements that are distant from Green Line
Israel and are surrounded by much larger Arab populations -- are an obstacle to
peace; their continued presence prevents a viable solution to the
Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
FOR THE SAKE OF ISRAEL'S ECONOMY, BRING THE SETTLERS HOME
The cost of sustaining and protecting the settlers is draining Israel's
resources; it limits Israelšs ability to provide vital social services, build a
stable economy, and ensure peaceful coexistence between the Jews and Palestinian
Arabs of Israel. The unending conflict, which the settlers exacerbate, has
contributed to a severe economic downturn, a rising rate of unemployment (over
10%), a dramatic decrease in foreign investment, and an increase in the number
of Israelis (now 20%) living below the poverty line, including 27% of all
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BernardZ
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: a CALL to BRING the SETTLERS HOME to ISRAEL |
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In article <t0m9b.513$wS2.18261@eagle.america.net>, Caiaphas66
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| Quote: | http://bringthemhome.btvshalom.org/t-google4
FOR THE SAKE OF ISRAEL'S SECURITY, BRING THE SETTLERS HOME
For the past 35 years, more than 200,000 Israeli citizens have been induced by
special economic incentives to settle in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. A recent
comprehensive survey* of settlers found that nearly 80% were motivated by a
desire to create better lives for themselves and their families and not by
ideological or religious reasons. That dream, however, quickly became a
nightmare of constant terror, sniping, murderous incursions into settlements,
and suicide bombings. Simultaneously, enormous suffering has been inflicted upon
the Palestinian population.
The relentless campaign to settle hundreds of thousands of Israelis amidst
millions of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip threatens the moral
foundation of the State. One year after the 1956 Sinai Campaign, Israelšs first
Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion explained to IDF officers the reasons for
Israelšs withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula. Nearly fifty
years later, his speech serves as both warning and grim prophecy.
[I]t was clear that our remaining in Gaza, while the entire world ostracized us
would lead to ... finding ourselves in a hostile sea of terrorism. Our military
authorities would have had to shoot terrorists on a daily basis. ... We would
not have been able to withstand this. For the State of Israel, such a reality
would have become a catastrophe ... . Possibly, this would have destroyed us,
not militarily, but morally - and in my opinion our morality underpins our very
existence.
David Ben-Gurion, Yihud ve-Yi'ud (Tel Aviv) 1971 p. 294
(Translation: Dr. Shai Feldman and Michael Davis)
The settlers have never enhanced Israel's security. On the contrary, their
vulnerability to attack has resulted in the loss of nearly a thousand Israeli
soldiers and civilians in the last 35 years and hundreds in just the past two
years. Those who live on land expected to be negotiated as part of the new State
of Palestine -- especially those in settlements that are distant from Green Line
Israel and are surrounded by much larger Arab populations -- are an obstacle to
peace; their continued presence prevents a viable solution to the
Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
FOR THE SAKE OF ISRAEL'S ECONOMY, BRING THE SETTLERS HOME
The cost of sustaining and protecting the settlers is draining Israel's
resources; it limits Israelšs ability to provide vital social services, build a
stable economy, and ensure peaceful coexistence between the Jews and Palestinian
Arabs of Israel. The unending conflict, which the settlers exacerbate, has
contributed to a severe economic downturn, a rising rate of unemployment (over
10%), a dramatic decrease in foreign investment, and an increase in the number
of Israelis (now 20%) living below the poverty line, including 27% of all
children.
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Assuming that you are trying to be sensible for once, the problem here
is that the settlers will have to be compensated. If for no other reason
then international law demands it. There are about as you say about
220,000 Israel living in the area. Assuming that an average person house
costs about $250,000 US dollars that means that it would cost Israel
over 20 billion US dollars to buy them out. This does not include the
government infrastructure like roads etc.
No one has that sort of money to buy them off when peace comes the
settlements will have to stay.
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Justify this! This girl was shot and killed by a PA gunman she was
described as a *quality* target.
http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/shalhevet.htm |
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Aaron
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: a CALL to BRING the SETTLERS HOME to ISRAEL |
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:45:01 -0400, "Caiaphas"
<Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote:
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"Settlers"????
Israel has been inhabited by Jews for over 3200 years. A housing
development in Israel is not a "settlement." Caiaphas, you are just
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Pastor Frank
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2003 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: a CALL to BRING the SETTLERS HOME to ISRAEL |
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"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:45:01 -0400, "Caiaphas"
Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote:
FOR THE SAKE OF ISRAEL'S SECURITY, BRING THE SETTLERS HOME
"Settlers"????
Israel has been inhabited by Jews for over 3200 years. A housing
development in Israel is not a "settlement." Caiaphas, you are just
regurgitating more anti-Semitic propaganda.
More lies Aaron? Israel was NEVER populated solely by Jews. In fact Jews |
were always in the minority. The insanity is Jews occupying Arab land,
because Hebrews conquered it thousands of years ago and now want it back,
without paying compensation.
--
Pastor Frank
CAUSE (Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land")
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
PROPHETIC APOCALYPSE, (The nuclear consequence)
2Pt:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up.
2Pt:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall
melt with fervent heat?
Lk:21:21: Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and
let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are
in the countries enter thereinto.
Rv:16:9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name
of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give
him glory.
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Caiaphas
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 7:33 am Post subject: Re: a CALL to BRING the SETTLERS HOME to ISRAEL |
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:45:01 -0400, "Caiaphas"
Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote:
FOR THE SAKE OF ISRAEL'S SECURITY, BRING THE SETTLERS HOME
"Settlers"????
Israel has been inhabited by Jews for over 3200 years. A housing
development in Israel is not a "settlement." Caiaphas, you are just
regurgitating more anti-Semitic propaganda.
More lies Aaron? Israel was NEVER populated solely by Jews. In fact Jews
were always in the minority. The insanity is Jews occupying Arab land,
because Hebrews conquered it thousands of years ago and now want it back,
without paying compensation.
--
Pastor Frank
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Aaron is a "master of the spin" on news like most Israeli-sympathizers. They
think they are clever at twisting the news always making Israel the victim.
Most of us see through this shallow sham. |
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John Dee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 9:21 am Post subject: Re: a CALL to BRING the SETTLERS HOME to ISRAEL |
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Wasn't Christ a jew? He knew many jews, some in high places, like Joseph of
Arimateia; he was called INRI, the "King of Jews". Many have hoped that he
was the announced saviour according to the prophecy - the saviour of the
jews, a new David. But he wasn't. Some decades later there was a rebelion,
which was completely crushed by the romans.
Crucifiction was only a penalty for those who commited crimes against the
Roman Empire - not for those poor, crazy prophets or criminals who were
stoned (in the worst sense) to death. It was only justifiable if Jesus was,
in fact, a descendent of the jewish tribe of King David, capable of causing
a rebelion and take Judea out of Roman hands.
Remember: Rome, in that time, did not believe in the Torah's god... They
could not find a threat to Roman Empire in one man that was pretending to be
the son of a non-existent god. And remember: the "jewish" government was
just a puppet of the romans, and the jewish court could not decide for
crucifiction.
Don't believe so blindly in the Bible. Probably nobody has the original
text. The Bible was changed according to the needs and interests of a church
that has never liked the truth very much.
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:m3Jab.5387$lX3.2415@nntp-post.primus.ca...
| Quote: | "Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:21vdmvkb8c468uk4jli528f35g5emvhf1e@4ax.com...
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:45:01 -0400, "Caiaphas"
Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote:
FOR THE SAKE OF ISRAEL'S SECURITY, BRING THE SETTLERS HOME
"Settlers"????
Israel has been inhabited by Jews for over 3200 years. A housing
development in Israel is not a "settlement." Caiaphas, you are just
regurgitating more anti-Semitic propaganda.
More lies Aaron? Israel was NEVER populated solely by Jews. In fact
Jews
were always in the minority. The insanity is Jews occupying Arab land,
because Hebrews conquered it thousands of years ago and now want it back,
without paying compensation.
--
Pastor Frank
CAUSE (Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land")
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
PROPHETIC APOCALYPSE, (The nuclear consequence)
2Pt:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are
therein
shall be burned up.
2Pt:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements
shall
melt with fervent heat?
Lk:21:21: Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and
let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that
are
in the countries enter thereinto.
Rv:16:9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the
name
of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give
him glory.
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Caiaphas
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| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: a CALL to BRING the SETTLERS HOME to ISRAEL |
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"John Dee" <john.dee@clix.pt> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Wasn't Christ a jew? He knew many jews, some in high places, like Joseph of
Arimateia; he was called INRI, the "King of Jews". Many have hoped that he
was the announced saviour according to the prophecy - the saviour of the
jews, a new David. But he wasn't. Some decades later there was a rebelion,
which was completely crushed by the romans.
Crucifiction was only a penalty for those who commited crimes against the
Roman Empire - not for those poor, crazy prophets or criminals who were
stoned (in the worst sense) to death. It was only justifiable if Jesus was,
in fact, a descendent of the jewish tribe of King David, capable of causing
a rebelion and take Judea out of Roman hands.
Remember: Rome, in that time, did not believe in the Torah's god... They
could not find a threat to Roman Empire in one man that was pretending to be
the son of a non-existent god. And remember: the "jewish" government was
just a puppet of the romans, and the jewish court could not decide for
crucifiction.
Don't believe so blindly in the Bible. Probably nobody has the original
text. The Bible was changed according to the needs and interests of a church
that has never liked the truth very much.
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If you say the Bible was "changed according to the needs and interest of a
church", I am sure you feel similarly that the Bible was changed according to
the needs and interests of other religions such as Judaism. |
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Raymond
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: a CALL to BRING the SETTLERS HOME to ISRAEL |
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"John Dee" <john.dee@clix.pt> wrote in message
news:NwQab.1774$Oe.2512023@newsserver.ip.pt...
| Quote: | Wasn't Christ a jew? He knew many jews, some in high places, like Joseph
of
Arimateia; he was called INRI, the "King of Jews". Many have hoped that he
was the announced saviour according to the prophecy - the saviour of the
jews, a new David. But he wasn't. Some decades later there was a rebelion,
which was completely crushed by the romans.
Crucifiction was only a penalty for those who commited crimes against the
Roman Empire - not for those poor, crazy prophets or criminals who were
stoned (in the worst sense) to death. It was only justifiable if Jesus
was,
in fact, a descendent of the jewish tribe of King David, capable of
causing
a rebelion and take Judea out of Roman hands.
Remember: Rome, in that time, did not believe in the Torah's god... They
could not find a threat to Roman Empire in one man that was pretending to
be
the son of a non-existent god. And remember: the "jewish" government was
just a puppet of the romans, and the jewish court could not decide for
crucifiction.
Don't believe so blindly in the Bible. Probably nobody has the original
text. The Bible was changed according to the needs and interests of a
church
that has never liked the truth very much.
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It seems you learn a little, and think you know it all, most of what you
wrote is false, Christ is God first, Jewish by birth as a human. The King
of the Jews sign was done in mockery of the Jews. The Romans did not want
to Crucify Jesus, it was because of the Jewish mob that they did, and then
make it clear they did not see Jesus as worthy of such a death. Do you
really think a person that is stoned to death, would then be crucified, wake
up and read what you write. Then Jesus did not pretend, the healings and
raising the Dead, feeding thousands with a few fish, is not what a fake
does. Stopping the rain, the wind is not what a fake can do. The Jewish
court could decide only they could do it without permission. One thing for
sure you are the blind one here. What we do have is the original God of the
Bible that is always a lot better then some old original book, and that
remark of yours, tells me you sure do not know what your writing. The Bible
has not changed, only translated into other languages so all can see what it
does say. I sure there are some churches and cults, that your remark would
fit, and they never did like the truth so like you, they make up truth that
is not truth at all.
Raymond
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:45:01 -0400, "Caiaphas"
Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote:
FOR THE SAKE OF ISRAEL'S SECURITY, BRING THE SETTLERS HOME
"Settlers"????
Israel has been inhabited by Jews for over 3200 years. A housing
development in Israel is not a "settlement." Caiaphas, you are just
regurgitating more anti-Semitic propaganda.
More lies Aaron? Israel was NEVER populated solely by Jews. In fact
Jews
were always in the minority. The insanity is Jews occupying Arab land,
because Hebrews conquered it thousands of years ago and now want it
back,
without paying compensation.
--
Pastor Frank
CAUSE (Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land")
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with
him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
PROPHETIC APOCALYPSE, (The nuclear consequence)
2Pt:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the
night;
in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the
elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are
therein
shall be burned up.
2Pt:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements
shall
melt with fervent heat?
Lk:21:21: Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;
and
let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that
are
in the countries enter thereinto.
Rv:16:9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the
name
of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to
give
him glory.
---
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John Dee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 6:49 am Post subject: Re: a CALL to BRING the SETTLERS HOME to ISRAEL |
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Sure, but there is nothing in Judaism than can be compared to the Council of
Nicea, called by Constantine (the true responsible for "spreading the
[christian] Word"), where many texts, including some entire Gospels, were
made apocryphal, excluded or burned, and some parts removed from accepted
texts (from St. Mathews, for instance).
Some of these apocryphal texts were reinserted in the Bible by other popes
(which raises also some questions about their supposed infallibility). This
was documented by Vatican itself.
We have to admit that maybe the most unchanged and complex part of the
christian Bible is the one jews also believe in: the Pentateuch.
I'm not drawing conclusions about which is the best religion or church,
which is pointless. I'm just saying that you can't read the Bible today and
see the truth in it without questioning.
"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | If you say the Bible was "changed according to the needs and interest of a
church", I am sure you feel similarly that the Bible was changed according
to
the needs and interests of other religions such as Judaism.
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