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On Sep 26, 12:12 am, arah <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:

arah · Guest

My dear Raymond,

Do you believe what Abraham, Moses and Jesus believe?

Cheers

On Sep 28, 7:32 am, Raymond <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:

John Fraser · Guest

Good morning Arah;

If you're referring to 'Hear O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord",
the answer is yes. To teach you what Jesus believed is a waste of time
because Muslims will conveniently claim corruption to any Scripture they
disagree with. But, you have been told.

Cheers,
John

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My dear Raymond,

Do you believe what Abraham, Moses and Jesus believe?

Cheers

On Sep 28, 7:32 am, Raymond <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:

arah · Guest

Dear John Fraser

Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas (The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of Allah)

1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

4. And there is none like unto Him.

which further explained

'Hear O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord",

http://www.harunyahya.com/Quran_translation/Quran_translation112.php

On Sep 28, 9:07 pm, "John Fraser" <jfra...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

John Fraser · Guest

Good morning Arah;

Matthew 19:25-26
25 When his disciples heard [it], they were exceedingly amazed, saying,
Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men, this is
impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Mark 14:36
And he said, Abba, Father, all things [are] possible unto thee; take
away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

Mark 14:61-62
61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest
asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the
right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

This is the paradox which Muhammad presents to the followers of Islam:
either Jesus was what he claimed to be, or he was not. True, the Quran
presents Jesus as a unique prophet whose birth is a miracle of uncertain
parentage, a man who did many good works, a man who was raised up like
Elijah (straight into Paradise), and a man who will return as a ruler. The
Bible presents Jesus of defined parentage, a man who did many good works, a
man who was crucified as our redeemer, a man who rose again and will return
as God in the flesh. However, the Quran is not a recognized authority on
Jesus by anyone other than Muslims. For the most part, it is quite brief
regarding the life of Jesus. This should give many reason to wonder how
it's considered an authority of any kind regarding the ministry of Christ.

The Bible is the recognized authority regarding the ministry of Christ.
If you disagree, then why do Muslims need to it to lend support to the
Quran? My guess is because Gabriel's information was too sparse to be of
much use. Furthermore, Muhammad fundamentally disagreed with the message of
the Gospel. Currently, it's politics that is prompting Muslims to read the
Gospel to seek commonality between Islam and Christianity. Like all others,
Muslims are left with a choice: either accept eternal salvation through
Christ, or reject it. Trying to accommodate the Quran and the Bible leads
to hypocrisy as they're fundamentally opposed regarding the role of Jesus
Christ:

John 3:16-17
16 For God so loved the world, that he have his only begotten son that
whoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn it; but that
the world through him might be saved.

You have been told and there is nothing left to discuss regarding the
matter of who Jesus was. You can live in denial claiming the Noble Quran is
truth and the Holy Bible is corrupt, but you do so with the risk of being a
hypocrite when quoting the Bible as truthful when trying to make a point.
Do whatever you want, but many who claim that Jesus was a great prophet
don't really follow his teachings. They adopt what makes them comfortable
and disregard the rest. When pressed, they will go out of their way to
demonstrate that fact. In the long run, it only serves to make them greater
hypocrites.

Cheers,
John

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Dear John Fraser

Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas (The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of Allah)

1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

4. And there is none like unto Him.

which further explained

'Hear O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord",

http://www.harunyahya.com/Quran_translation/Quran_translation112.php

On Sep 28, 9:07 pm, "John Fraser" <jfra...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

arah · Guest

My dear John Fraser.

I like what you wrote

Matthew 19:25-26
25 When his disciples heard [it], they were exceedingly amazed,
saying,
Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men, this is
impossible; but with God all things are possible.

I can add more to this but it will be enough to understand that Jesus
can't do anything or help you! why call me Good?

I don't have to explain again what the Jews mean " Son of God". and I
don't have to repeat the contradictions of the bible because it was
not written, review or check by Jesus.

However I would like to share again another story of a Priest that
convert to Islam.

Anselm Tormeeda - 14th Century Christian scholar and priest

Great numbers of Christians embraced Islam during and soon after the
Islamic conquests after the prophets death. They were never compelled,
rather it was a recognition of what they were already expecting.
Anselm Tormeeda, a priest and Christian scholar was one such person
who's history is worth relating. He wrote a famous book The Gift to
the Intelligent for Refuting the Arguments of the Christians. In the
introduction to this work he relates his history:

"Let it be known to all of you that my origin is from the city of
Majorca, which is a great city on the sea, between two mountains and
divided by a small valley. It is a commercial city, with two wonderful
harbours. Big merchant ships come and anchor in the harbour with
different goods. The city is on the island which has the same name -
Majorca, and most of its land is populated with fig and olive trees.
My father was a well respected man in the city. I was his only son.

When I was six, he sent me to a priest who taught me to read the
Gospel and logic, which I finished in six years. After that I left
Majorca and traveled to the city of Larda, in the region of
Castillion, which was the centre of learning for Christians in that
region. A thousand to a thousand and a half Christian students
gathered there. All were under the administration of the priest who
taught them. I studied the Gospel and its language for another four
years. After that I left for Bologne in the region of Anbardia.
Bologne is a very large city, it being the centre of learning for all
the people of that region. Every year, more than two thousand students
gather together from different places. They cover themselves with
rough cloth which they call the "Hue of God". All of them, whether the
son of a workman or the son of a ruler wear this wrap, in order to
make the students distinct from others.

Only the priest teaches controls and directs them. I lived in the
church with an aged priest. He was greatly respected by the people
because of his knowledge and religiousness and asceticism, which
distinguished him from the other Christian priests. Questions and
requests for advice came from everywhere, from Kings and rulers, along
with presents and gifts. They hoped that he would accept their
presents and grant them his blessings. This priest taught me the
principles of Christianity and its rulings. I became very close to him
by serving and assisting him with his duties until I became one of his
most trusted assistants, so that he trusted me with the keys of his
domicile in the church and of the food and the drink stores. He kept
for himself only the key of a small room were he used to sleep. I
think, and Allah knows best, that he kept his treasure chest in there.
I was a student and servant for a period of ten years, then he fell
ill and failed to attend the meetings of his fellow priests.

During his absence the priests discussed some religious matters, until
they came to what was said by the Almighty Allah through his prophet
Jesus in the Gospel: "After him will come a Prophet called Paraclete".
They argued a great deal about this Prophet and as to who he was among
the Prophets. Everyone gave his opinion according to his knowledge and
understanding; and they ended without achieving any benefit in that
issue. I went to my priest, and as usual he asked about what was
discussed in the meeting that day. I mentioned to him the different
opinions of priests about the name Paraclete, and how they finished
the meeting without clarifying its meaning. He asked me: "What was
your answer?" I gave my opinion which was taken from interpretation of
a well known exegesis. He said that I was nearly correct like some
priests, and the other priests were wrong. "But the truth is different
from all of that. This is because the interpretation of that noble
name is known only to a small number of well versed scholars. And we
posses only a little knowledge." I fell down and kissed his feet,
saying: "Sir, you know that I traveled and came to you from a far
distant country, I have served you now for more than ten years; and
have attained knowledge beyond estimation, so please favour me and
tell me the truth about this name." The priest then wept and said: "My
son, by God, you are very much dear to me for serving me and devoting
yourself to my care. Know the truth about this name, and there is a
great benefit, but there is also a great danger. And I fear that when
you know this truth, and the Christians discover that, you will be
killed immediately." I said: "By God, by the Gospel and He who was
sent with it, I shall never speak any word about what you will tell
me, I shall keep it in my heart." He said: "My son, when you came here
from your country, I asked you if it is near to the Muslims, and
whether they made raids against you and if you made raids against
them. This was to test your hatred for Islam. Know, my son, that
Paraclete is the name of their Prophet Muhammad, to whom was revealed
the fourth book as mentioned by Daniel. His way is the clear way which
is mentioned in the Gospel." I said: "Then sir, what do you say about
the religion of these Christians?" He said: "My son, if these
Christians remained on the original religion of Jesus, then they would
have been on God's religion, because the religion of Jesus and all the
other Prophets is the true religion of God. But they changed it and
became unbelievers." I asked him: "Then, sir, what is the salvation
from this?" He said "Oh my son, embracing Islam." I asked him: "Will
the one who embraces Islam be saved?" He answered: "Yes, in this world
and the next." I said: "The prudent chooses for himself; if you know,
sir the merit of Islam, then what keeps you from it?" He answered: "My
son, the Almighty Allah did not expose me to the truth of Islam and
the Prophet of Islam until after I have become old and my body
weakened. Yes, there is no excuse for us in this, on the contrary, the
proof of Allah has been established against us. If God had guided me
to this when I was your age I would have left everything and adopted
the religion of truth. Love of this world is the essence of every sin,
and look how I am esteemed, glorified and honoured by the Christians,
and how I am living in affluence and comfort! In my case, if I show a
slight inclination towards Islam they would kill me immediately.
Suppose that I was saved from them and succeeded in escaping to the
Muslims, they would say, do not count your Islam as a favour upon us,
rather you have benefited yourself only by entering the religion of
truth, the religion that will save you from the punishment of Allah!
So I would live among them as a poor old man of more than ninety
years, without knowing their language, and would die among them
starving. I am, and all praise is due to Allah, on the religion of
Christ and on that which he came with, and Allah knows that from me."
So I asked him: "Do you advise me to go to the country of the Muslims
and adopt their religion?" He said to me: "If you are wise and hope to
save yourself, then race to that which will achieve this life and the
hereafter. But my son, none is present with us concerning this
matter , it is between you and me only. Exert yourself and keep it a
secret. If it is disclosed and the people know about it they will kill
you immediately. I will be of no benefit to you against them. Neither
will it be of any use to you if you tell them what you heard from me
concerning Islam, or that I encouraged you to be a Muslim, for I shall
deny it. They trust my testimony against yours. So do not tell a word,
whatever happens." I promised him not to do so.

He was satisfied and content with my promise. I began to prepare for
my journey and bid him farewell. He prayed for me and gave me fifty
golden dinars. Then I took a ship to my city Majorca where I stayed
with my parents for six months. Then I traveled to Sicily and remained
there five months, waiting for a ship bound for the land of the
Muslims. Finally a ship arrived bound for Tunis. We departed before
sunset and reached the port of Tunis at noon on the second day. When I
got off the ship, Christian scholars who heard of my arrival came to
greet me and I stayed with them for four months in ease and comfort.
After that I asked them if there was a translator. The Sultan in those
days was Abu al-Abbas Ahmed. They said there was a virtuous man, the
Sultan's physician, who was one of his closest advisors. His name was
Yusuf al-Tabeeb. I was greatly pleased to here this, and asked where
he lived. They took me there to meet him separately. I told him about
my story and the reason of my coming there; which was to embrace
Islam. He was immensely pleased because this matter would be completed
by his help. We rode to the Sultan's Palace. He met the Sultan and
told him about my story and asked his permission for me to meet him.

The Sultan accepted, and I presented myself before him. The first
question the Sultan asked was about my age. I told him that I was
thirty-five years old. He then asked about my learning and the
sciences which I had studied. After I told him he said. "Your arrival
is the arrival of goodness . Be a Muslim with Allah's blessings." I
then said to the doctor, "Tell the honourable Sultan that it always
happens that when anyone changes his religion his people defame him
and speak evil of him. So, I wish if he kindly sends to bring the
Christian priests and merchants of this city to ask them about me and
hear what they have to say. Then by Allah's will, I shall accept
Islam." He said to me through the translator, "You have asked what
Abdullah bin Salaam asked from the Prophet when he-Abdullah came to
announce his Islam." He then sent for the priests and some Christian
merchants and let me sit in an adjoining room unseen by them. "What do
you say about this new priest who arrived by ship?", he asked. They
said: "He is a great scholar in our religion. Our bishops say he is
the most learned and no one is superior to him in our religious
knowledge." After hearing what the Christian said, the Sultan sent for
me, and I presented myself before them. I declared the two testimonies
that there is no one worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad
is His Messenger, and when the Christians heard this they crossed
themselves and said: "Nothing incited him to do that except his desire
to marry, as priests in our religion can not marry". Then they left in
distress and grief.

The Sultan appointed for me a quarter of a dinar every day from the
treasury and let me marry the daughter of Al-Hajj Muhammed al-Saffar.
When I decided to consummate the marriage, he gave me a hundred golden
dinars and an excellent suit of clothes. I then consummated the
marriage and Allah blessed me with a child to whom I gave the name
Muhammed as a blessing from the name of the Prophet."

[Note: The full name of Anselm Tormeeda is Abu Muhammad Abdullah Bin
Abdullah Al-Tarjuman. The title of his book, in Arabic, is Tuhfat al-
arib fi al-radd 'ala Ahl al-Salib. Some background details about this
scholar and his work are available here]

Source: Proofs of the Divine Origin of the Qur'an by Abdur-Raheem
Greene
http://www.islam-universe.com/priests_who_embraced_islam.htm#tormeeda

Eid Mubarak

On Sep 29, 11:58 pm, "John Fraser" <jfra...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

arah · Guest

My dear John Fraser.

The Holy Spirit is Gabriel, do you still remember when Gabriel bring
good news to Abraham, when Gabriel visited Lot and when Gabriel bring
good news to Mary?

Holy Spirit don't come to everyone but to selected and special people
including Prophet Muhammad.

So if anyone said the met Holy Spirit, Jesus or Almighty God he must
be bluffing or he is mad or insane.

Have you or Raymond met Holy Spirit?

Cheers

On Sep 30, 11:16 am, "John Fraser" <jfra...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

John Fraser · Guest

Good morning Arah;

If Muhammad is the Holy Spirit, where was he at the baptism of Jesus and
the baptizing of the 3,000 by the Disciples in Acts 2?

Cheers,
John

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My dear John Fraser.

I like what you wrote

Matthew 19:25-26
25 When his disciples heard [it], they were exceedingly amazed,
saying,
Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men, this is
impossible; but with God all things are possible.

I can add more to this but it will be enough to understand that Jesus
can't do anything or help you! why call me Good?

I don't have to explain again what the Jews mean " Son of God". and I
don't have to repeat the contradictions of the bible because it was
not written, review or check by Jesus.

However I would like to share again another story of a Priest that
convert to Islam.

Anselm Tormeeda - 14th Century Christian scholar and priest

Great numbers of Christians embraced Islam during and soon after the
Islamic conquests after the prophets death. They were never compelled,
rather it was a recognition of what they were already expecting.
Anselm Tormeeda, a priest and Christian scholar was one such person
who's history is worth relating. He wrote a famous book The Gift to
the Intelligent for Refuting the Arguments of the Christians. In the
introduction to this work he relates his history:

"Let it be known to all of you that my origin is from the city of
Majorca, which is a great city on the sea, between two mountains and
divided by a small valley. It is a commercial city, with two wonderful
harbours. Big merchant ships come and anchor in the harbour with
different goods. The city is on the island which has the same name -
Majorca, and most of its land is populated with fig and olive trees.
My father was a well respected man in the city. I was his only son.

When I was six, he sent me to a priest who taught me to read the
Gospel and logic, which I finished in six years. After that I left
Majorca and traveled to the city of Larda, in the region of
Castillion, which was the centre of learning for Christians in that
region. A thousand to a thousand and a half Christian students
gathered there. All were under the administration of the priest who
taught them. I studied the Gospel and its language for another four
years. After that I left for Bologne in the region of Anbardia.
Bologne is a very large city, it being the centre of learning for all
the people of that region. Every year, more than two thousand students
gather together from different places. They cover themselves with
rough cloth which they call the "Hue of God". All of them, whether the
son of a workman or the son of a ruler wear this wrap, in order to
make the students distinct from others.

Only the priest teaches controls and directs them. I lived in the
church with an aged priest. He was greatly respected by the people
because of his knowledge and religiousness and asceticism, which
distinguished him from the other Christian priests. Questions and
requests for advice came from everywhere, from Kings and rulers, along
with presents and gifts. They hoped that he would accept their
presents and grant them his blessings. This priest taught me the
principles of Christianity and its rulings. I became very close to him
by serving and assisting him with his duties until I became one of his
most trusted assistants, so that he trusted me with the keys of his
domicile in the church and of the food and the drink stores. He kept
for himself only the key of a small room were he used to sleep. I
think, and Allah knows best, that he kept his treasure chest in there.
I was a student and servant for a period of ten years, then he fell
ill and failed to attend the meetings of his fellow priests.

During his absence the priests discussed some religious matters, until
they came to what was said by the Almighty Allah through his prophet
Jesus in the Gospel: "After him will come a Prophet called Paraclete".
They argued a great deal about this Prophet and as to who he was among
the Prophets. Everyone gave his opinion according to his knowledge and
understanding; and they ended without achieving any benefit in that
issue. I went to my priest, and as usual he asked about what was
discussed in the meeting that day. I mentioned to him the different
opinions of priests about the name Paraclete, and how they finished
the meeting without clarifying its meaning. He asked me: "What was
your answer?" I gave my opinion which was taken from interpretation of
a well known exegesis. He said that I was nearly correct like some
priests, and the other priests were wrong. "But the truth is different
from all of that. This is because the interpretation of that noble
name is known only to a small number of well versed scholars. And we
posses only a little knowledge." I fell down and kissed his feet,
saying: "Sir, you know that I traveled and came to you from a far
distant country, I have served you now for more than ten years; and
have attained knowledge beyond estimation, so please favour me and
tell me the truth about this name." The priest then wept and said: "My
son, by God, you are very much dear to me for serving me and devoting
yourself to my care. Know the truth about this name, and there is a
great benefit, but there is also a great danger. And I fear that when
you know this truth, and the Christians discover that, you will be
killed immediately." I said: "By God, by the Gospel and He who was
sent with it, I shall never speak any word about what you will tell
me, I shall keep it in my heart." He said: "My son, when you came here
from your country, I asked you if it is near to the Muslims, and
whether they made raids against you and if you made raids against
them. This was to test your hatred for Islam. Know, my son, that
Paraclete is the name of their Prophet Muhammad, to whom was revealed
the fourth book as mentioned by Daniel. His way is the clear way which
is mentioned in the Gospel." I said: "Then sir, what do you say about
the religion of these Christians?" He said: "My son, if these
Christians remained on the original religion of Jesus, then they would
have been on God's religion, because the religion of Jesus and all the
other Prophets is the true religion of God. But they changed it and
became unbelievers." I asked him: "Then, sir, what is the salvation
from this?" He said "Oh my son, embracing Islam." I asked him: "Will
the one who embraces Islam be saved?" He answered: "Yes, in this world
and the next." I said: "The prudent chooses for himself; if you know,
sir the merit of Islam, then what keeps you from it?" He answered: "My
son, the Almighty Allah did not expose me to the truth of Islam and
the Prophet of Islam until after I have become old and my body
weakened. Yes, there is no excuse for us in this, on the contrary, the
proof of Allah has been established against us. If God had guided me
to this when I was your age I would have left everything and adopted
the religion of truth. Love of this world is the essence of every sin,
and look how I am esteemed, glorified and honoured by the Christians,
and how I am living in affluence and comfort! In my case, if I show a
slight inclination towards Islam they would kill me immediately.
Suppose that I was saved from them and succeeded in escaping to the
Muslims, they would say, do not count your Islam as a favour upon us,
rather you have benefited yourself only by entering the religion of
truth, the religion that will save you from the punishment of Allah!
So I would live among them as a poor old man of more than ninety
years, without knowing their language, and would die among them
starving. I am, and all praise is due to Allah, on the religion of
Christ and on that which he came with, and Allah knows that from me."
So I asked him: "Do you advise me to go to the country of the Muslims
and adopt their religion?" He said to me: "If you are wise and hope to
save yourself, then race to that which will achieve this life and the
hereafter. But my son, none is present with us concerning this
matter , it is between you and me only. Exert yourself and keep it a
secret. If it is disclosed and the people know about it they will kill
you immediately. I will be of no benefit to you against them. Neither
will it be of any use to you if you tell them what you heard from me
concerning Islam, or that I encouraged you to be a Muslim, for I shall
deny it. They trust my testimony against yours. So do not tell a word,
whatever happens." I promised him not to do so.

He was satisfied and content with my promise. I began to prepare for
my journey and bid him farewell. He prayed for me and gave me fifty
golden dinars. Then I took a ship to my city Majorca where I stayed
with my parents for six months. Then I traveled to Sicily and remained
there five months, waiting for a ship bound for the land of the
Muslims. Finally a ship arrived bound for Tunis. We departed before
sunset and reached the port of Tunis at noon on the second day. When I
got off the ship, Christian scholars who heard of my arrival came to
greet me and I stayed with them for four months in ease and comfort.
After that I asked them if there was a translator. The Sultan in those
days was Abu al-Abbas Ahmed. They said there was a virtuous man, the
Sultan's physician, who was one of his closest advisors. His name was
Yusuf al-Tabeeb. I was greatly pleased to here this, and asked where
he lived. They took me there to meet him separately. I told him about
my story and the reason of my coming there; which was to embrace
Islam. He was immensely pleased because this matter would be completed
by his help. We rode to the Sultan's Palace. He met the Sultan and
told him about my story and asked his permission for me to meet him.

The Sultan accepted, and I presented myself before him. The first
question the Sultan asked was about my age. I told him that I was
thirty-five years old. He then asked about my learning and the
sciences which I had studied. After I told him he said. "Your arrival
is the arrival of goodness . Be a Muslim with Allah's blessings." I
then said to the doctor, "Tell the honourable Sultan that it always
happens that when anyone changes his religion his people defame him
and speak evil of him. So, I wish if he kindly sends to bring the
Christian priests and merchants of this city to ask them about me and
hear what they have to say. Then by Allah's will, I shall accept
Islam." He said to me through the translator, "You have asked what
Abdullah bin Salaam asked from the Prophet when he-Abdullah came to
announce his Islam." He then sent for the priests and some Christian
merchants and let me sit in an adjoining room unseen by them. "What do
you say about this new priest who arrived by ship?", he asked. They
said: "He is a great scholar in our religion. Our bishops say he is
the most learned and no one is superior to him in our religious
knowledge." After hearing what the Christian said, the Sultan sent for
me, and I presented myself before them. I declared the two testimonies
that there is no one worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad
is His Messenger, and when the Christians heard this they crossed
themselves and said: "Nothing incited him to do that except his desire
to marry, as priests in our religion can not marry". Then they left in
distress and grief.

The Sultan appointed for me a quarter of a dinar every day from the
treasury and let me marry the daughter of Al-Hajj Muhammed al-Saffar.
When I decided to consummate the marriage, he gave me a hundred golden
dinars and an excellent suit of clothes. I then consummated the
marriage and Allah blessed me with a child to whom I gave the name
Muhammed as a blessing from the name of the Prophet."

[Note: The full name of Anselm Tormeeda is Abu Muhammad Abdullah Bin
Abdullah Al-Tarjuman. The title of his book, in Arabic, is Tuhfat al-
arib fi al-radd 'ala Ahl al-Salib. Some background details about this
scholar and his work are available here]

Source: Proofs of the Divine Origin of the Qur'an by Abdur-Raheem
Greene
http://www.islam-universe.com/priests_who_embraced_islam.htm#tormeeda

Eid Mubarak

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Good morning Mail Man;

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John Fraser · Guest

Good morning Arah;

Jesus made a promise to his disciples of a Comforter, the Holy Spirit
(also called Holy Ghost). His role is to bring knowledge of and glorify
Jesus Christ.
John 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter,
that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:26
But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send
in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your
remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the
Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he
shall testify of me:

John 16:7

Was Jesus bluffing or insane to make such a promise?

Cheers,
John

"arah" <arah1958@gmail.com> wrote in message
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My dear John Fraser.

The Holy Spirit is Gabriel, do you still remember when Gabriel bring
good news to Abraham, when Gabriel visited Lot and when Gabriel bring
good news to Mary?

Holy Spirit don't come to everyone but to selected and special people
including Prophet Muhammad.

So if anyone said the met Holy Spirit, Jesus or Almighty God he must
be bluffing or he is mad or insane.

Have you or Raymond met Holy Spirit?

Cheers

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