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In article <48e26cfd$0$5475$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net>, "John Fraser"
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| Quote: | Good afternoon RL;
"•R. L. Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article
7185e4db-c133-4649-b9a2-8143cc631b95@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, arah
arah1958@gmail.com> wrote:
My dear John Fraser.
The Holy Spirit is Gabriel, do you still remember when Gabriel bring
good news to Abraham, when Gabriel visited Lot and when Gabriel bring
good news to Mary?
Holy Spirit don't come to everyone but to selected and special people
including Prophet Muhammad.
• Arah -- Does Gabriel approve of Prophet Muhammad having coitus with a
9-yr old girl?
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Actually, she was 12 when the Prophet had his way with her.
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• Ayesha was reportedly a couple of months shy of her 9th birthday when
she had coitus with Muhammad.
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I agree she was nine when wed to him.
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• Six years
| Quote: | I believe the Prophet died because of
a jealous wife. D'ya think?
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• I have no idea, but for an old man, an 18-yr old wife is easily a
source of strife.
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John Fraser
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| Quote: | In article <48e26cfd$0$5475$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net>, "John Fraser"
jfraser@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
Good afternoon RL;
"•R. L. Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article
7185e4db-c133-4649-b9a2-8143cc631b95@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
arah
arah1958@gmail.com> wrote:
My dear John Fraser.
The Holy Spirit is Gabriel, do you still remember when Gabriel bring
good news to Abraham, when Gabriel visited Lot and when Gabriel bring
good news to Mary?
Holy Spirit don't come to everyone but to selected and special people
including Prophet Muhammad.
• Arah -- Does Gabriel approve of Prophet Muhammad having coitus with
a
9-yr old girl?
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
Actually, she was 12 when the Prophet had his way with her.
• Ayesha was reportedly a couple of months shy of her 9th birthday when
she had coitus with Muhammad.
Otherwise,
I agree she was nine when wed to him.
• Six years
I believe the Prophet died because of
a jealous wife. D'ya think?
• I have no idea, but for an old man, an 18-yr old wife is easily a
source of strife.
Cheers,
John
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R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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Wonder why he was so anxious?
Cheers,
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arah
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: A GREAT DEDATE JESUS IS GOD? |
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My dear R L Measures.
1400 year ago, the Arabs are killing their daughter but Prophet
Muhammad stop the Arab from killing their daughters. Do you know that
the Indian and the chinese are still killing their daugther until
today?
India Has Killed 10 Million Girls in 20 Years
Girls Are Considered a Burden in Sections of Indian Society
By PALASH KUMAR
Dec. 15, 2006 — - Ten million girls have been killed by their
parents in India in the past 20 years, either before they were born or
immediately after, a government minister said on Thursday, describing
it as a "national crisis".
A UNICEF report released this week said 7,000 fewer girls are born
in the country every day than the global average would suggest,
largely because female foetuses are aborted after sex determination
tests but also through murder of new borns.
"It’s shocking figures and we are in a national crisis if you ask
me," Minister for Women and Child Development Renuka Chowdhury told
Reuters.
Girls are seen as liabilities by many Indians, especially because
of the banned but rampant practice of dowry, where the bride’s parents
pay cash and goods to the groom’s family.
Men are also seen as bread-winners while social prejudices deny
women opportunities for education and jobs.
"Today, we have the odd distinction of having lost 10 million girl
children in the past 20 years," Chowdhury told a seminar in Delhi
University.
"Who has killed these girl children? Their own parents." In some
states, the minister said, newborn girls have been killed by pouring
sand or tobacco juice into their nostrils.
"The minute the child is born and she opens her mouth to cry, they
put sand into her mouth and her nostrils so she chokes and dies,"
Chowdhury said, referring to cases in the western desert state of
Rajasthan.
"They bury infants into pots alive and bury the pots. They put
tobacco into her mouth. They hang them upside down like a bunch of
flowers to dry," she said.
"We have more passion for tigers of this country. We have people
fighting for stray dogs on the road. But you have a whole society that
ruthlessly hunts down girl children."
According to the 2001 census, the national sex ratio was 933 girls
to 1,000 boys, while in the worst-affected northern state of Punjab,
it was 798 girls to 1,000 boys.
The ratio has fallen since 1991, due to the availability of
ultrasound sex-determination tests.
Although these are illegal they are still widely available and
often lead to abortion of girl foetuses.
Chowdhury said the fall in the number of females had cost one
percent of India’s GDP and created shortages of girls in some states
like Haryana, where in one case four brothers had to marry one woman.
Economic empowerment of women was key to change, she said. "Even
today when you go to a temple, you are blessed with ‘May you have many
sons’," she said.
"The minute you empower them to earn more or equal (to men),
social prejudices vanish."
The practice of killing the girl child is more prevalent among the
educated, including in upmarket districts of New Delhi, making it more
challenging for the government, the minister said.
"How do we tell educated people that you must not do it? And these
are people who would visit all the female deities and pray for
strength but don’t hesitate to kill a girl child," she said.
On Sep 30, 10:29 pm, r...@somis.org (•R. L. Measures) wrote:
| Quote: | In article
7185e4db-c133-4649-b9a2-8143cc631...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, arah
arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:
My dear John Fraser.
The Holy Spirit is Gabriel, do you still remember when Gabriel bring
good news to Abraham, when Gabriel visited Lot and when Gabriel bring
good news to Mary?
Holy Spirit don't come to everyone but to selected and special people
including Prophet Muhammad.
• Arah -- Does Gabriel approve of Prophet Muhammad having coitus with a
9-yr old girl?
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arah
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: A GREAT DEDATE JESUS IS GOD? |
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Raymond wrote
"....So we see in the New Testament God did not lie, God then became
the son of man, since Jesus had a human mother, MARY, the Spirit of
God came in the form of man,...."
So you believe that your God has a human mother!!!!
How silly are you!!!!
---"Unbelievers in God are those who declare: God is the Messiah, the
son
of Mary."
--- Qur¹an 5:15
On Sep 28, 7:32 am, Raymond <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 26, 12:12 am, arah <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Raymond wrote:
"....So Jesus as a human man born of Mary has no reason to know or
want to
know, since He is also God and the fullness of the Godhead dwells in
Him, he choose not to know or look it up for the time being....."
Raymond, who to explain Num 23:19
Num 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of
man, that he should repent: "
Isn't that contradicted with your believe?
No not in anyway. If one looks at the time and history of Numbers it
was thousand years of so before God begot Jesus as His human body, the
Son. So we see in the New Testament God did not lie, God then became
the son of man, since Jesus had a human mother, MARY, the Spirit of
God came in the form of man, long time after the writer of the book of
Numbers. God showed that the fullness of Himself was in Jesus Christ
as there is only ONE GOD.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: A GREAT DEDATE JESUS IS GOD? |
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In article <48e3093b$0$5463$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net>, "John Fraser"
<jfraser@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | "•R. L. Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-3009082002580001@10.0.1.198...
In article <48e26cfd$0$5475$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net>, "John Fraser"
jfraser@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
Good afternoon RL;
"•R. L. Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-3009080729230001@10.0.1.198...
In article
7185e4db-c133-4649-b9a2-8143cc631b95@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
arah
arah1958@gmail.com> wrote:
My dear John Fraser.
The Holy Spirit is Gabriel, do you still remember when Gabriel bring
good news to Abraham, when Gabriel visited Lot and when Gabriel bring
good news to Mary?
Holy Spirit don't come to everyone but to selected and special people
including Prophet Muhammad.
• Arah -- Does Gabriel approve of Prophet Muhammad having coitus with
a
9-yr old girl?
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
Actually, she was 12 when the Prophet had his way with her.
• Ayesha was reportedly a couple of months shy of her 9th birthday when
she had coitus with Muhammad.
Otherwise,
I agree she was nine when wed to him.
• Six years
I believe the Prophet died because of
a jealous wife. D'ya think?
• I have no idea, but for an old man, an 18-yr old wife is easily a
source of strife.
Cheers,
John
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R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
Wonder why he was so anxious?
• keeeping up with an 18-yr old woman is marginal at best - even for an |
18-yr old dude. For a guy in his 60s, forgetaboutit.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:54 am Post subject: Re: A GREAT DEDATE JESUS IS GOD? |
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In article
<b332e0cf-052a-45f2-96ee-4971c1481503@t42g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, arah
<arah1958@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | My dear R L Measures.
1400 year ago, the Arabs are killing their daughter but Prophet
Muhammad stop the Arab from killing their daughters. Do you know that
the Indian and the chinese are still killing their daugther until
today?
India Has Killed 10 Million Girls in 20 Years
Girls Are Considered a Burden in Sections of Indian Society
By PALASH KUMAR
Dec. 15, 2006 =97 - Ten million girls have been killed by their
parents in India in the past 20 years, either before they were born or
immediately after, a government minister said on Thursday, describing
it as a "national crisis".
A UNICEF report released this week said 7,000 fewer girls are born
in the country every day than the global average would suggest,
largely because female foetuses are aborted after sex determination
tests but also through murder of new borns.
"It=92s shocking figures and we are in a national crisis if you ask
me," Minister for Women and Child Development Renuka Chowdhury told
Reuters.
Girls are seen as liabilities by many Indians, especially because
of the banned but rampant practice of dowry, where the bride=92s parents
pay cash and goods to the groom=92s family.
Men are also seen as bread-winners while social prejudices deny
women opportunities for education and jobs.
"Today, we have the odd distinction of having lost 10 million girl
children in the past 20 years," Chowdhury told a seminar in Delhi
University.
"Who has killed these girl children? Their own parents." In some
states, the minister said, newborn girls have been killed by pouring
sand or tobacco juice into their nostrils.
"The minute the child is born and she opens her mouth to cry, they
put sand into her mouth and her nostrils so she chokes and dies,"
Chowdhury said, referring to cases in the western desert state of
Rajasthan.
"They bury infants into pots alive and bury the pots. They put
tobacco into her mouth. They hang them upside down like a bunch of
flowers to dry," she said.
"We have more passion for tigers of this country. We have people
fighting for stray dogs on the road. But you have a whole society that
ruthlessly hunts down girl children."
According to the 2001 census, the national sex ratio was 933 girls
to 1,000 boys, while in the worst-affected northern state of Punjab,
it was 798 girls to 1,000 boys.
The ratio has fallen since 1991, due to the availability of
ultrasound sex-determination tests.
Although these are illegal they are still widely available and
often lead to abortion of girl foetuses.
Chowdhury said the fall in the number of females had cost one
percent of India=92s GDP and created shortages of girls in some states
like Haryana, where in one case four brothers had to marry one woman.
Economic empowerment of women was key to change, she said. "Even
today when you go to a temple, you are blessed with =91May you have many
sons=92," she said.
"The minute you empower them to earn more or equal (to men),
social prejudices vanish."
The practice of killing the girl child is more prevalent among the
educated, including in upmarket districts of New Delhi, making it more
challenging for the government, the minister said.
"How do we tell educated people that you must not do it? And these
are people who would visit all the female deities and pray for
strength but don=92t hesitate to kill a girl child," she said.
** I'm aware of this. |
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