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Andrew
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 Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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"Chain Breaker" wrote:
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I have incomplete knowledge.
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Then you cannot honestly say, "There is no God."
| Quote: | Science: You must see it to believe it.
Religion: You must believe it to see it.
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Using this criteria, would you call the following Science? or Religion? . .
"Cosmology says that everything, including time and space, exploded from
a single dot of matter smaller than the period at the end of this sentence."
Thank you.
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Lamarr Edwards
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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Rob - sigh, all proof must be valued by the person evaluating the
proof.
CB finds that it is not unequivocal, so for him, it is not.
It is all relative Rob.
I find some of yourr positions to be proven beyond any doubt, to be
false.
You see it a different way.
Here we go again, all evidence offered as proof must be designated as
proof by the person to whom it is offered.
unequivocal - Admitting of no doubt or misunderstanding ; clear.
The American Heritage dictionary of the English language.
I have no unequivocal understanding of how nuclear submarines work, but
for some the issue is unequivocal. LE |
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Teresita
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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In article <51251a1c.0308192216.60c4c31a@posting.google.com>, Chain Breaker
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| Quote: | Rob, let's put an end to your foolishness once and for all.
Does the god Zeus exist? Yes or No? If you answer yes, then I say
worship him along with Yahweh as they are both gods. If you answer no,
then I say prove he doesn't. If you say you can't prove he doesn't,
then I say worship him along with Yahweh until you can, because he is
a god.
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Maybe the God the Greeks called Zeus is the God Christians call Father.
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Rob
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:30:04 -0700 (MST), shmogie1@webtv.net (Lamarr Edwards)
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| Quote: | Rob, Rob, Rob - Do you think CB finds Jesus Christ as unequivocal ?
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What CB "finds" is irrelevant to what you said. You made the declaration
that there is no proof that is unequivocal. But by denying there is proof that
is unequivocal you have denied Jesus Christ, because Jesus Christ is
unequivocal proof of God, creation, death, and resurrection.
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Rob
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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On 19 Aug 2003 23:16:50 -0700, nothingnobler@hotmail.com (Chain Breaker) wrote:
| Quote: | You conceded you can't prove a negative but now you turn around and challenge
someone else to prove a negative thereby erecting a straw man. But in so doing
you've only succeeded in denigrating your own logic and credibility. Rob
Rob, let's put an end to your foolishness once and for all.
Does the god Zeus exist? Yes or No?
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I'm not taking the bait, so your straw man has already been whacked down.
The fact you have so quickly caved-in to resorting to straw man arguments
firmly places you in the same camp as the religionists posting here. There
is no real difference between you and them.
| Quote: | If you answer yes, then I say
worship him along with Yahweh as they are both gods. If you answer no,
then I say prove he doesn't.
If you say you can't prove he doesn't,
then I say worship him along with Yahweh until you can, because he is
a god.
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You already said you can't prove that Santa doesn't exist, so according to
your above argument you should worship Santa. Once again you have undermined
your own argument by your stupidity.
| Quote: | The exact same argument you are so proud of, I have just demonstrated
can be used to demand faith in Zeus!
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You have only demonstrated you are dense, as I have not claimed that Zeus
exists or does not exist. Conversely, you have made claims based on zero
evidence, which is the equivalent of believing in Santa Claus, of which you
have now conceded. It's obvious Santa comes down your chimney often. I'm happy
for you.
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Rob
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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On 20 Aug 2003 06:25:03 -0700, Teresita <teresita@newsguy.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <51251a1c.0308192216.60c4c31a@posting.google.com>, Chain Breaker
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Rob, let's put an end to your foolishness once and for all.
Does the god Zeus exist? Yes or No? If you answer yes, then I say
worship him along with Yahweh as they are both gods. If you answer no,
then I say prove he doesn't. If you say you can't prove he doesn't,
then I say worship him along with Yahweh until you can, because he is
a god.
Maybe the God the Greeks called Zeus is the God Christians call Father.
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Since you think this is plausible, then where does Jesus fit in?
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Teresita
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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In article <h907kvctj132grglvi8k77seu8b4kmp696@4ax.com>, Rob says...
| Quote: | Maybe the God the Greeks called Zeus is the God Christians call Father.
Since you think this is plausible, then where does Jesus fit in?
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Jesus preached the gospel to the Greeks when they were spirits waiting
in "prison" (1 Peter 3:19) that they might be judged according to men in the
flesh, but live according to God in the spirit (1 Peter 4:6).
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Rob
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 2:08 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:06:57 -0700 (MST), shmogie1@webtv.net (Lamarr Edwards)
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| Quote: | Rob - sigh, all proof must be valued by the person evaluating the
proof.
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You're being stupid. A person's interpretation of the evidence does not change
the evidence. The evidence of gravity affects you regardless of whether you
affirm it or deny it, and the evidence of Jesus Christ is much greater than the
evidence of gravity. You deny Jesus Christ is the evidence of the unequivocal
and absolute proof of God, and that is your freewill prerogative choice.
Luke 12:9 But if anyone denies me here on earth, I will deny that person before
God's angels. (NLT)
| Quote: | CB finds that it is not unequivocal, so for him, it is not.
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Again, it doesn't matter what CB "finds". The fact you do not fly off the earth
is unequivocal proof of the evidence of gravity, regardless of whether you
affirm or deny the evidence of gravity.
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Rob
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 2:08 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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On 20 Aug 2003 08:43:32 -0700, Teresita <teresita@newsguy.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <h907kvctj132grglvi8k77seu8b4kmp696@4ax.com>, Rob says...
Maybe the God the Greeks called Zeus is the God Christians call Father.
Since you think this is plausible, then where does Jesus fit in?
Jesus preached the gospel to the Greeks when they were spirits waiting
in "prison" (1 Peter 3:19) that they might be judged according to men in the
flesh, but live according to God in the spirit (1 Peter 4:6).
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So which Greek god do you think Christians call Jesus?
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Chain Breaker
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 6:55 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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| Quote: | CB - I love the "you people" statements !
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You were sounding very much like Rob. (CB)
| Quote: | In the end then, we are both perfectly free to believe what we choose,
and that is the way it should be. (LE)
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That is the truest statement you have made. (CB)
| Quote: | I am curious, however, ultimately, as an apparent atheist, or at least
an agnostic, do you ever try to answer questions like "why are we here",
or do you simply ignore questions of this type ? LE
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Of course I ask that question. That is the human thing to do. The
difference between us, Lamarr, is that when I can't find a good answer
I don't settle for one that is made up. (CB) |
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Chain Breaker
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:15 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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"Alan M"
| Quote: | Rob, let's put an end to your foolishness once and for all. (CB)
Now this is a big leap of faith. (Alan)
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You are right. Maybe you can help me, Alan. I was trying to think of a
saying that goes something like this..."Be careful not to argue with
fools, in case you are mistaken for one of them." Are you familiar
with it? (CB) |
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Rob
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 8:53 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:36:56 -0700 (MST), shmogie1@webtv.net (Lamarr Edwards)
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| Quote: | Rob - Who is being stupid ? You Rob.
Gravity is a scientific fact that can be demonstrated, is observable,
and is measurable.
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Jesus Christ is an empirical fact, who was observed by more 500 people at
the same time after he was resurrected from the dead.
1 Cor 15:6 After that, Jesus was seen by more than five hundred of the
believers at the same time. Most of them are still living today, but some have
died. (NCV)
And the fact remains, Jesus Christ is the evidence of the unequivocal and
absolute proof of God, and this fact you deny - you have proven that.
Luke 12:9 But if anyone denies me here on earth, I will deny that person before
God's angels. (NLT)
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Rob
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 8:56 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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On 20 Aug 2003 19:15:08 -0700, nothingnobler@hotmail.com (Chain Breaker) wrote:
| Quote: | "Alan M"
Rob, let's put an end to your foolishness once and for all. (CB)
Now this is a big leap of faith. (Alan)
You are right. Maybe you can help me,
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The fact you seek to ally yourself with someone whose elevator doesn't make it
to the top floor shows how desperate you have truly become. You have my pity.
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Alan M
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 9:18 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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"Rob" <rob@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:fjg8kv8k8mbhads6sg29m50pdtj9o0qhaq@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On 20 Aug 2003 19:15:08 -0700, nothingnobler@hotmail.com (Chain Breaker)
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"Alan M"
Rob, let's put an end to your foolishness once and for all. (CB)
Now this is a big leap of faith. (Alan)
You are right. Maybe you can help me,
The fact you seek to ally yourself with someone whose elevator doesn't
make it
to the top floor shows how desperate you have truly become. You have my
pity.
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That's not a fact at all Rob. Pity yourself instead. |
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Alan M
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 9:24 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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"Chain Breaker" <nothingnobler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:51251a1c.0308201815.39e995fd@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | "Alan M"
Rob, let's put an end to your foolishness once and for all. (CB)
Now this is a big leap of faith. (Alan)
You are right. Maybe you can help me, Alan. I was trying to think of a
saying that goes something like this..."Be careful not to argue with
fools, in case you are mistaken for one of them." Are you familiar
with it? (CB)
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CB,
The saying sounds about right but I can't recall it exactly. |
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