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Chain Breaker
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 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 11:33 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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"Andrew"
| Quote: | "Chain Breaker" wrote:
I have incomplete knowledge.
Then you cannot honestly say, "There is no God."
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*You* do what you accuse *me* of. Where is the consistency in your
argument? You can not honestly say there is no Zeus or Thor or any of
the other gods.
But you have to deny their existence, because your god, Yahweh, gets
jealous.
And so, I assume, you do deny their existence. Therefore, how can you
reject my reasoning when you do exactly the same thing yourself? I
have every bit as much right to deny the existence of Yahweh as you do
to deny the existence of Zeus.
| Quote: | Science: You must see it to believe it.
Religion: You must believe it to see it.
Using this criteria, would you call the following Science? or Religion? . .
"Cosmology says that everything, including time and space, exploded from
a single dot of matter smaller than the period at the end of this sentence."
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Why don't you ask Lamarr, he wrote it.
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Andrew
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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"Chain Breaker" wrote:
| Quote: | "Andrew"
"Chain Breaker" wrote:
I have incomplete knowledge.
Then you cannot honestly say, "There is no God."
I have every bit as much right to deny the existence
of Yahweh as you do to deny the existence of Zeus.
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You may deny anything you want, and I will defend your right to do so.
What I am saying is that you cannot with intellectual honesty categoric-
ally deny the existence of the infinite God who is the creator of heaven
and earth unless you possessed all knowledge.
Before one could honestly make such a claim they would have to have all
knowledge of this vast universe with it's multi billions of galaxies, and of
all dimensions visible and invisible.
But IF there was such a one .. then he would have omniscience and would
therefore be God himself, thus disproving his preposterous, absurd claim.
| Quote: | Science: You must see it to believe it.
Religion: You must believe it to see it.
Using this criteria, would you call the following Science? or Religion? . .
"Cosmology says that everything, including time and space, exploded from
a single dot of matter smaller than the period at the end of this sentence."
Why don't you ask Lamarr, he wrote it.
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Yes they are his words, but they succinctly express what is currently acceptable
dogma among cosmologists and scientists today .. and is what is now taught in
science classes as what actually happened. So, using the criteria that you posted
above, would you say that this is Science or Religion?
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Thank you.
Your welcome.
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Lamarr Edwards
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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CB - Interesting, since my objective study over almost two decades,
especially in cosmology and philosophy, has led me to believe that
atheism is in fact the man made and false way to view life. LE |
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Rob
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:45 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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On 20 Aug 2003 23:33:30 -0700, nothingnobler@hotmail.com (Chain Breaker) wrote:
| Quote: | "Andrew"
"Chain Breaker" wrote:
I have incomplete knowledge.
Then you cannot honestly say, "There is no God."
*You* do what you accuse *me* of. Where is the consistency in your
argument?
You can not honestly say there is no Zeus or Thor or any of
the other gods.
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I have incomplete knowledge but I can honestly say you are not Zeus. How is
that any different than me saying "I can honestly say there is no Zeus"?
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Rob
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:45 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:15:04 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321@usa.net> wrote:
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"Chain Breaker" wrote:
"Andrew"
"Chain Breaker" wrote:
I have incomplete knowledge.
Then you cannot honestly say, "There is no God."
I have every bit as much right to deny the existence
of Yahweh as you do to deny the existence of Zeus.
You may deny anything you want, and I will defend your right to do so.
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I don't recall any of the apostles ever defending a person's right to deny
Jesus Christ. The kind of message you're preaching is anti-Christ, but that's
par around here.
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Andrew
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 2:35 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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| Rob - Your point is moot. |
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Rob
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:57 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:45:19 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321@usa.net> wrote:
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"Rob" wrote:
And the fact remains, Jesus Christ is the evidence of the unequivocal and
absolute proof of God, and this fact you deny - you have proven that.
You can deny Him by claiming to believe in Him,
yet live contrary to Him.
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You have shown how you live by your doctrine, and your doctrine is contrary
to Him.
| Quote: | When you continuously insult,ridicule and condemn others, you deny Him.
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Is that your best shot? You missed.
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Rob
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 3:57 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:26:22 -0700 (MST), shmogie1@webtv.net (Lamarr Edwards)
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| Quote: | Rob - What a humorist, you are.
Lets see, I have blind faith, because
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,,,you deny there is unequivocal and absolute proof of God. Which means you
must inject blind faith in order to make your belief system complete. You have
thus created your own little Disneyland. I'm happy for you.
| Quote: | I interpret the evidence of Christ
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But you deny the evidence of Christ is the unquivocal and absolute proof of
God, and in so doing you have unwittingly conceded that you don't know for
sure whether or not the evidence is valid.
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Chain Breaker
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 6:05 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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| Quote: | I have incomplete knowledge but I can honestly say you are not Zeus.
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I wish you humans would stop pestering me! |
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Alan M
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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"Teresita" <teresita@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:bi347902be0@drn.newsguy.com...
| Quote: | In article <xA41b.50278$bo1.20781@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, Alan M
says...
It is an empirical fact that Rob has written more than 500 nonsensical
posts.
The highlights are:
The "All assumptions are false" codswallop
The "Die/Dice" twaddle, and
The "One person is normal, everyone else is abnormal" flapdoodle.
Soon there will also be:
The ___(fill in the blank)___ balderdash,
The ___(fill in the blank)___ baloney,
The ___(fill in the blank)___ bibble-babble,
The ___(fill in the blank)___ blather,
The ___(fill in the blank)___bombast,
The ___(fill in the blank)___ claptrap,
The ___(fill in the blank)___ fiddle-faddle,
The ___(fill in the blank)___ flummery,
The ___(fill in the blank)___ gobbledygook,
The ___(fill in the blank)___ hogwash,
The ___(fill in the blank)___hooey,
The ___(fill in the blank)___ pablum.
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Not to mention: The ___(fill in the blank)___ fudge.
See Roget's Thesaurus for further descriptions. |
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Rob
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 10:34 pm Post subject: BLIND FAITH |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:36:56 -0700 (MST), shmogie1@webtv.net (Lamarr Edwards)
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| Quote: | Rob - Who is being stupid ? You Rob.
Gravity is a scientific fact that can be demonstrated, is observable,
and is measurable.
Please, have you seen Christ, with your eyes, have you been able to show
him to the eyes of others, have you been able to meaure how much light
he gives off, or how much he weighs, or how many "g's" he can pull ?
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Your argument here is tantamount to the same kind of argument the atheist
argues, and it expresses the same blatant unbelief as the atheist. Instead of
attempting to lift Christ up, your questions like that of the atheist, attempt
to cast doubt on the evidence of the Word of God and the very reality of Christ
himself - and this too is what the atheist attempts to do. The entire belief
system of atheists is based on blind faith, and you have also shown that your
belief system is based on blind faith. Interesting how your argument and the
atheistic argument have so much in common. But not surprising.
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Rob
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 7:38 am Post subject: Re: BLIND FAITH |
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:52:57 -0700 (MST), shmogie1@webtv.net (Lamarr Edwards)
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| Quote: | Rob - Nice try, but it won't work.
You tried to say that the evidence for the NT documentation of Christ is
as strong as the evidence for the existense of gravity, or, as I used
the term, unequiviocal.
I simply pointed out that the existence of gravity can be imperically
proven, beyond any doubt.
No faith is required to believe that gravity exists, all you have to do
is drop a glass.
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Again, you prove you are ignorant as to what faith is. The primary definition
for the term "faith" from the American Heritage Dictionary denotes faith is
nothing more than the "confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness
of a person, idea, or thing." Again, this is the "primary definition" - not a
secondary definition.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=faith
| Quote: | There is no human on earth that will deny that things fall to the
ground.
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Only in your fantasy land. The truth is, there are millions of illogical
thinking human beings on planet earth who will deny all kinds of truths
including the phenomenon of gravity. Moreover, the scientific evidence
of gravity was not discovered and defined until the seventeenth century
when Newton came along. And there are many today who deny any kind
of scientific evidence.
| Quote: | You are saying that reading the new testament can, the case for Christ,
is totally, completely, and unequivocally proven.
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Reading the evidence does not change the validity of the evidence. The Word
of God is the evidence that unequivocally and absolutely proves the existence
of God, creation, and the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. You deny this
fact and so do atheists - so you and them are not much different.
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That is patent nonesense, for if it were true, then every person who has
ever read the NT would be completeky convinced that it is true.
That doesn't happen.
Why ? Because faith is required to believe,
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Faith is indeed required to believe, but nowhere in the Word of God does
it say that it is okay to use blind faith, which is the kind of faith you're
peddling. Blind faith is bogus faith.
| Quote: | Christ himself understood
this when he said, paraphrising him, "you see, and believe, blessed is
he who does not see, and believes"
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He said blessed are those who have not seen him personally - but he
never said a person was required to believe in him without any kind
of evidence - so your attempt to twist this scripture to prove your point
has miserably failed.
| Quote: | If he knew that the proof for him was unequivocal, then his statement
makes no sense, because everyone would have to believe.
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Now you're attacking the evidence of Jesus Christ himself. Jesus Christ
died and rose again, and that is an unequivocal fact which is proven by
the Word of God. The fact you now wish to cast doubt on this fact only
proves that you are intent upon attacking the veracity of the Word of God.
Have you no shame? Obviously not.
| Quote: | Without faith, NO ONE can believe, and to those without faith, it is all
fairy tales.
Therefore, the evidence cannot be unequivocal.
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That is a lie. The evidence of the Word of God is the unequivocal and absolute
proof of God, creation, and the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The
fact you deny this fact identifies you with atheists - not Christians.
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Teresita
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:14 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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In article <51251a1c.0308211705.248ba79f@posting.google.com>, Chain Breaker
says...
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I have incomplete knowledge but I can honestly say you are not Zeus.
I wish you humans would stop pestering me!
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Headline: Zeus Held In Battery Charge For Lightning Bolt
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