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 Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 1:58 pm Post subject: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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The bible says God blessed the seventh day.
So that means God blessed a certain 24 hour period,
not just any 24 hour period, but a certain 24 hour
period. The exact day would have been easy to identify
for the people who wrote the bible. All they had to do
was count the days of the week. Every seventh day was
the Sabbath. Piece of cake.
But, the people who wrote the bible were ignorant of
the fact that the holy day they were laying down as moral law,
presumably to be kept by everyone, everywhere, forever,
could not be identified, at all, by people living in other parts of the
globe. The reason for this oversight was simple, the bible writers didn't
know these far off lands and peoples existed, or that the earth was
not the centre of the universe, with the sun passing over the top,
from east to west and going underneath and coming back around again!
So in the bible there are no guidelines for
people living in Siberia, Alaska, Argentina, New Zealand,
Australia, you name it, for recognizing where they stand in
time in relation to the so-called sacred hours.
They don't know if they precede or follow in time.
Contemporary Sabbath keepers in those lands today keep
the Sabbath according to what day it is as determined by
the man-made International Date Line (IDL). The day they
keep holy is really determined by man not God.
So my question is an obvious one.
How on earth can anyone claim that people
are morally bound to keep a certain 24 hour period
holy, when it is not even possible for most people living on
the planet to even identify that 24 hour period?
This is a question based on plain common sense. There is no
bible answer to this question. The bible writers caused this
conundrum, they are not likely to resolve it.
The IDL is irrelevant; it is man made and modern.
What days are called or numbered is irrelevant because
the world's Calendars are governed by the IDL.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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In article <bgofrv$qd3j2$1@ID-97599.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Andrew" says...
| Quote: | It remains to this time. God never changed it. Tradition has TRIED to
change it, but God never did. Choose God! Worship Him at all times,
and especially on the day He has reserved for special fellowship with
you.
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1 Corinthians 16:2 "On the first day of every week, each of you is to put
something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that contributions need
not be made when I come."
Paul exhorts his readers to get their church's contribution together ahead of
time so it won't have to be put together when he arrives. He tells them to
contribute to the gift every first day of the week because that was the day the
early Church met for worship.
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Teresita
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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In article <51251a1c.0308050058.28f47eae@posting.google.com>,
nothingnobler@hotmail.com says...
| Quote: | So my question is an obvious one.
How on earth can anyone claim that people
are morally bound to keep a certain 24 hour period
holy, when it is not even possible for most people living on
the planet to even identify that 24 hour period?
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I've brought this up before. I asked if Sabbath Keepers should be
keeping the Sabbath from sunset to sunup in Jerusalem or locally.
What I got was a reply like this:
"That is skewed logic. There is nothing that states the Sabbath must be kept
from Jerusalem's sunset to sunset. You pulled that one out of thin air."
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EW
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 3:26 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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"Chain Breaker" <nothingnobler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:51251a1c.0308050058.28f47eae@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | So my question is an obvious one.
How on earth can anyone claim that people
are morally bound to keep a certain 24 hour period
holy, when it is not even possible for most people living on
the planet to even identify that 24 hour period?
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Anyone can "claim" anything, but it doesn't mean much when the subject is
controvertible, undefinable, and commonly disregarded. There has been much
discussion about the "Saturday" Sabbath here some time ago (although lately,
it's been just one smear campaign of personalities). Just the fact that the
Saturday Sabbath is not followed by the majority of Christianity, that
Christ did not ping on it as a basic tenet, and that the early Christians
did not hold to it means that the "New Covenant" after Christ hailed a
different message from the Old Testament. If those who preach the Sat.
Sabbath use the Old Testament as their basis, then there are many, many
other pre-Christian rules that I k-n-o-w they don't follow. Read Deut,
Exodus, the others...
There's no problem with people practicing their "seventh" day on Sat. or
Sun., as long as they don't sling grenades at others for not believing as
they do. Finally, do you really believe that God would disregard people who
honestly pray to Him as they only know how, and in all sincerity? No way.
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Chain Breaker
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 4:10 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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"Andrew" responded to "Chain Breaker" 5 July 2003
| Quote: | So just tell me how you even know exactly which day is the seventh? (CB)
No problem! When we learn that Jesus Christ is our Creator, the One
who made heaven and earth and all things including time and the weekly
cycle, THEN all you have to do is look to Him. When you do that, you
will find that He honored the seventh-day Sabbath, which is the SAME
day that is recognized by the Jews to this day. (Andrew)
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Andrew,
You might have tried actually comprehending my posting before you responded.
In your evangelical zeal you seem to have completely missed my point.
So, I will keep my reply very concise.
Please tell me, precisely, how people living in other parts of the globe
know if their land precedes or follows the Sabbath hours of the holy land.
CB. |
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Paul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 7:17 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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"Chain Breaker" <nothingnobler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | 5 July 2003 Teresita commented on Chain Breaker's question.
He tells them to
contribute to the gift every first day of the week because that was the
day > the
early Church met for worship. (Teresita)
Teresita,
I'm not arguing in favour of Sunday. I think that the
Sabbath commandment is a part of the decalogue just like not
murdering and not stealing are. But, because the Sabbath commandment
cannot be applied universally, it demonstrates the man-made nature not
just of the decalogue but of the whole bible by implication.
Adventists can shoot me down in flames simply by demonstrating how
people living in different parts of the globe can know precisely
if their land precedes or follows the holy land in time.
CB.
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The problem you share with many is not understanding the concept of
spirituality, both skeptics and practicing religionists fail to understand,
because spiritual things are spiritually discerned therefore if I am not
spiritual all of it will seem like so much nonsense. What are you honestly
seeking? Enlightenment, or just poking fun at things you think are
ignorant. Do you seek spiritual truth, or just an argument that will make
you feel superior to others.
Your answer, or lack thereof will tell me all I need to know.
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Chain Breaker
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 9:06 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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EW wrote 5 August 2003
| Quote: | Finally, do you really believe that God would disregard people who
honestly pray to Him as they only know how, and in all sincerity? No way.
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I don't recall expressing that concern. One would first need to see
evidence that Yahweh God existed in order to be concerned about
whether he would
disregard me or anyone else. The point of my posting is to demonstrate
that
at the very heart of the decalogue is a command (the Sabbath) that
could not
be universal in its application because there are no guidelines to
enable
people in other lands to determine where they stand in time in
relation to
the holy land, before or after it. You don't think it's morally
binding now,
good for you, but the people who made up the Sabbath law out of
ignorance
of the shape of the earth and its relationship to the sun, did think
it was
morally binding, at least then, and these are the people who wrote the
OT
which is the basis of the NT, which I presume is the basis of your
faith. You can't knock the foundation down without bringing the whole
house down. See my point?
CB. |
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Chain Breaker
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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Teresita wrote 5 August 2003
| Quote: | I've brought this up before. I asked if Sabbath Keepers should be
keeping the Sabbath from sunset to sunup in Jerusalem or locally.
What I got was a reply like this:
"That is skewed logic. There is nothing that states the Sabbath must be kept
from Jerusalem's sunset to sunset. You pulled that one out of thin air." (T)
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Teresita,
"The same rules or laws of probability must govern in religious
questions as in others. There is no subject -- and can be none --
concerning which any human being is under any obligation to believe
without evidence." - Robert Green Ingersoll.
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/index.shtml
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EW
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 2:32 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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"Chain Breaker" <nothingnobler@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | EW wrote 5 August 2003
Finally, do you really believe that God would disregard people who
honestly pray to Him as they only know how, and in all sincerity? No
way.
I don't recall expressing that concern. One would first need to see
evidence that Yahweh God existed in order to be concerned about
whether he would
disregard me or anyone else. ................
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Correct. That part of my post was not directed at you but to the many here
who would think otherwise, for whatever weak reasons. I could have
indicated that...!
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Russell G.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 9:43 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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nothingnobler@hotmail.com (Chain Breaker) wrote in message news:<51251a1c.0308051510.108583bd@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | "Andrew" responded to "Chain Breaker" 5 July 2003
So just tell me how you even know exactly which day is the seventh? (CB)
No problem! When we learn that Jesus Christ is our Creator, the One
who made heaven and earth and all things including time and the weekly
cycle, THEN all you have to do is look to Him. When you do that, you
will find that He honored the seventh-day Sabbath, which is the SAME
day that is recognized by the Jews to this day. (Andrew)
Andrew,
You might have tried actually comprehending my posting before you responded.
In your evangelical zeal you seem to have completely missed my point.
So, I will keep my reply very concise.
Please tell me, precisely, how people living in other parts of the globe
know if their land precedes or follows the Sabbath hours of the holy land.
CB.
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Chain Breaker:
While on the surface your question has merit, when you look below the
surface it has none and is structured as a straw man arguement.
How many time zones does the earth have? 24. How many hours in the
day? Coincidentally, 24. When did the first Sabbath begin (Genesis)?
Sundown/end of day on the 6th day which then became the Sabbath/7th
day.
At that point, how many time zones had entered the Sabbath (which
occurs at sunset)? One. Where does that leave the rest of the world?
The 6th day. When did the rest of the world enter the Sabbath hours?
As the sun set at their location.
Did the Sabbath instantly begin at all locations? No more than one
day becomes the next today.
Mankind didn't live in locations like the far north at that time (long
period of darkness, long period of no night). But, even though they
are at the "top" of the world, it still takes 24 hours to make a day.
SDA's in those areas select a time for Sabbath to begin. If I
remember right, 6 PM Friday night to 6 PM Saturday night forms the
Sabbath hours when there is no sunrise and sunset.
The straw man you have built is to try and confuse the issue of when a
day starts and begins and that time has somehow become messed up
because of the travel through the centuries. Time is time and it
hasn't become missed or lost or somehow messed up. Which is what
takes the straw man to pieces.
God bless,
Russell G. |
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Rob
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 10:18 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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On 6 Aug 2003 21:43:09 -0700, russellphoto@icomail.net (Russell G.) wrote:
| Quote: | nothingnobler@hotmail.com (Chain Breaker) wrote in message news:<51251a1c.0308051510.108583bd@posting.google.com>...
"Andrew" responded to "Chain Breaker" 5 July 2003
So just tell me how you even know exactly which day is the seventh? (CB)
No problem! When we learn that Jesus Christ is our Creator, the One
who made heaven and earth and all things including time and the weekly
cycle, THEN all you have to do is look to Him. When you do that, you
will find that He honored the seventh-day Sabbath, which is the SAME
day that is recognized by the Jews to this day. (Andrew)
Andrew,
You might have tried actually comprehending my posting before you responded.
In your evangelical zeal you seem to have completely missed my point.
So, I will keep my reply very concise.
Please tell me, precisely, how people living in other parts of the globe
know if their land precedes or follows the Sabbath hours of the holy land.
CB.
Chain Breaker:
While on the surface your question has merit, when you look below the
surface it has none and is structured as a straw man arguement.
How many time zones does the earth have? 24. How many hours in the
day? Coincidentally, 24. When did the first Sabbath begin (Genesis)?
Sundown/end of day on the 6th day which then became the Sabbath/7th
day.
At that point, how many time zones had entered the Sabbath (which
occurs at sunset)? One. Where does that leave the rest of the world?
The 6th day. When did the rest of the world enter the Sabbath hours?
As the sun set at their location.
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The International Date Line was established by man in 1884 by international
agreement at the 180 degree meridian. When it is Saturday in Guam it is only
Friday in Hawaii even though they are essentially experiencing the same day
only 4 hours difference in time. Kind of messes your theory up doesn't it?
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Chain Breaker
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:59 am Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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"Paul" august 6, 03.
| Quote: | When we ask questions we reveal much about
our own understanding of a subject both in the content of our question and
in the way in which we ask. (Paul)
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For great examples of dumb ass questions you cant go past
Jesus' disciples. And yet they were following Jesus. So, on
that basis, your explanation of how you jumped to the conclusion
that I was spiritually undiscerning is a little unconvincing. (CB)
| Quote: | I asked a perfectly fair and reasonable
question and your response, without knowing anything of my background,
is to make an arbitrary judgment of me, personally. (CB)
Not arbitrary. You revealed quite a lot about yourself and your motives in
the discourses you had with others. (Paul)
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Yes arbitrary. I told Andrew he didn't address the issue, and Teresita
I was not arguing in favour of Sunday, and man is not obliged to
believe anything without evidence. I told EW that if the OT foundation
falls over so does the whole house. Still not convinced of the
conclusions
you jumped to.(CB)
| Quote: | Are you a Sabbath keeper? (CB)
I don't know exactly what you mean by Sabbath Keeper. (Paul)
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I smell evasion here, but I will play along. Do you consider
sunset Friday to sunset Saturday a special day? Are there things
you normally do not do on that day that you do on other days, like
work for money? (CB)
| Quote: | Your spirit is one of wounded pride..(Paul)
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Another completely wrong assumption.(CB)
That CB is spiritually unenlightened:
| Quote: | I have not told you this. You have told everyone this yourself. (Paul)
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Wrong again. Paul, you said skeptics and practising religionists can't
discern spiritual things. I am a skeptic. Therefore, according to
*you*,
I am unable to discern. (CB)
| Quote: | This is the result of true spirituality. All things are permissible, but
not all things are profitable. Those who get caught up on either side of
your question are lost in religion, and dogma. They are looking for a small
way to defeat mortality and in the end will only end up chasing their own
tails. (Paul)
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Gibberish. (CB)
| Quote: | Sabbath is not about a 24 hour period in a certain location on this
earth, (Paul)
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Important clarification. The issue of my posting is about the
identification
of a certain 24 hour period so that it can be kept holy *regardless*
of
location. In other words, man should be able to identify the Sabbath
no matter where he is. We can't. That is the issue. (CB)
I think you meant to say "just as committing adultery is not about a
sexual liaison between two human beings." To which I reply: Tell it
to the judge
Mr Clinton. (CB)
| Quote: | Spirituality cannot be grasped by the human mind, and thus I have no
enlightenment other than what is given to me. (Paul)
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We have no enlightenment other than what comes into our heads,
and is accepted after being measured against the normal laws of
probability
that we use to make judgements on anything in life. Why should man be
held
accountable for not believing what there is insufficient evidence for?
(CB)
| Quote: | Your lack of an answer would have told me you were only spoiling for a
fight. (Paul)
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I can assume then that because I answered I have proved that I am not
just
spoling for a fight. That's one wrong assumption out the way then.
Good. (CB)
| Quote: | The biggest problem with your question is that it is moot. The
Sabbath was and will never be about a 24 hour period (Paul)
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I assume you meant "The Sabbath *never* was and will never be about a
24
hour period." Please clarify so I don't jump to silly conclusions.
(CB)
| Quote: | at a certain point on this earth. (Paul)
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I have already clarified this above.(CB)
| Quote: | If you or I try to understand the scriptures in the sparks that
we can make we will only see bits and pieces of foolishness.
If we study it
in the light of the Holy Spirit He will lead us onto all truth. (Paul)
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More gibberish. (CB)
| Quote: | If your are
truly seeking you will abandon this sophomoric question about the
regulations of the Sabbath and seek the meaning of the commandments of God.
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I haven't asked sophomoric questions about Sabbath regulations. I
asked a
very relevant and vital question about how people in different parts
of our
round earth were expected to even know when the seventh day was.
You've said
nothing to clarify that conundrum one iota. (CB)
| Quote: | With God's help you will have your answers. Since the spiritual
enlightenment I have received is a gift of God, I can not give it to you
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Allah be praised! (CB) |
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Chain Breaker
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: A Question for Sabbath Keepers |
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Answer to Russell's of 6 Aug 03
Russell,
Your answer shows a lack of understanding of the issue here, but you
are the first to actually attempt an explanation, so thanks for that
at least. (CB)
| Quote: | While on the surface your question has merit, when you look below the
surface it has none and is structured as a straw man arguement. (Russ)
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No attempt at a straw man argument at all. Just a straight out plain
and honest question, no tricks, nothing up my sleeve. (CB)
| Quote: | How many time zones does the earth have? 24. How many hours in the
day? Coincidentally, 24. (Russ)
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And the relevance is what, exactly? (CB)
| Quote: | When did the first Sabbath begin (Genesis)?
Sundown/end of day on the 6th day which then became the Sabbath/7th
day. (Russ)
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Genesis doesn't call it the Sabbath, but I get your point, no problem.
(CB)
| Quote: | At that point, how many time zones had entered the Sabbath (which
occurs at sunset)? One. (Russ)
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Again, no relevance, but I'm being patient. (CB)
| Quote: | Where does that leave the rest of the world?
The 6th day. When did the rest of the world enter the Sabbath hours?
As the sun set at their location. (Russ)
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Finally, a relevant question, but alas, you go and shoot yourself in
the foot. Regrettably for your argument, all the rest of the world,
according to the IDL, does not follow the vicinity where most assume
the mythical garden of Eden to have been. A mighty chunk of the world
precedes it! And, SDA's in all of those countries throughout the world
which *precede* your proposed starting line are actually observing
their holy Sabbath according to the IDL, a modern man-made line that
runs from the North to the South of the globe, zig-zagging between
large land masses and islands, according to the arbitrary decisions
about its placement made by a commitee of human beings! This line was
even changed over the course of time too, to include every island in a
particular group of islands in the same time zone, where previously
parts of the group had been put in separate zones!
Are you asking me to believe that an omniscient, omnipotent God placed
a Sabbath commandment right in the heart of his moral law and then let
the International Date Line commitee decide when most of the world
would keep it holy? (CB)
| Quote: | Mankind didn't live in locations like the far north at that time (long
period of darkness, long period of no night). But, even though they
are at the "top" of the world, it still takes 24 hours to make a day.
SDA's in those areas select a time for Sabbath to begin. If I
remember right, 6 PM Friday night to 6 PM Saturday night forms the
Sabbath hours when there is no sunrise and sunset. (Russ)
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I hadn't even felt the need to mention places like the poles. Thank
you for making my case even stronger. By your own admission, SDA's in
those areas have had to make up their own rules, due to the inability
of this commandment to be applied on our ball shaped planet, which the
Hebrew law makers were obviously not aware of at the time. (CB)
| Quote: | The straw man you have built is to try and confuse the issue of when a
day starts and begins and that time has somehow become messed up
because of the travel through the centuries. Time is time and it
hasn't become missed or lost or somehow messed up. Which is what
takes the straw man to pieces. (Russ)
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I think that sentence demonstrates you can confuse things all on your
own without any help from me. (CB)
| Quote: | God bless,
Russell G.
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Thank you,
I wish you all the very best too,
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Russell G.
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Rob <rob@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<j7o3jvgpitoi9vcgco5imao0dj2ljj7k7m@4ax.com>...
| Quote: | On 6 Aug 2003 21:43:09 -0700, russellphoto@icomail.net (Russell G.) wrote:
nothingnobler@hotmail.com (Chain Breaker) wrote in message news:<51251a1c.0308051510.108583bd@posting.google.com>...
"Andrew" responded to "Chain Breaker" 5 July 2003
So just tell me how you even know exactly which day is the seventh? (CB)
No problem! When we learn that Jesus Christ is our Creator, the One
who made heaven and earth and all things including time and the weekly
cycle, THEN all you have to do is look to Him. When you do that, you
will find that He honored the seventh-day Sabbath, which is the SAME
day that is recognized by the Jews to this day. (Andrew)
Andrew,
You might have tried actually comprehending my posting before you responded.
In your evangelical zeal you seem to have completely missed my point.
So, I will keep my reply very concise.
Please tell me, precisely, how people living in other parts of the globe
know if their land precedes or follows the Sabbath hours of the holy land.
CB.
Chain Breaker:
While on the surface your question has merit, when you look below the
surface it has none and is structured as a straw man arguement.
How many time zones does the earth have? 24. How many hours in the
day? Coincidentally, 24. When did the first Sabbath begin (Genesis)?
Sundown/end of day on the 6th day which then became the Sabbath/7th
day.
At that point, how many time zones had entered the Sabbath (which
occurs at sunset)? One. Where does that leave the rest of the world?
The 6th day. When did the rest of the world enter the Sabbath hours?
As the sun set at their location.
The International Date Line was established by man in 1884 by international
agreement at the 180 degree meridian. When it is Saturday in Guam it is only
Friday in Hawaii even though they are essentially experiencing the same day
only 4 hours difference in time. Kind of messes your theory up doesn't it?
Rob
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Not at all. No theory to what I am saying. Take a look at a timezone
map of the world. How many timezones? 24. How many hours in the
day? 24. When it is 9PM in San Francisco, what time is it in London?
Something like 6 or 7 hours later (meaning 3 or 4 AM the next day).
All the international "date line" did was provide a MAN-MADE line to
demark the day arbitrarily. It did NOT change the day of the week for
the vast majority of the world. Oh, BTW, there is an SDA church on an
island that keeps Sunday because of the arbitrary nature of that line.
For the rest of us, Monday is still Monday (not possibly Tuesday or
Sunday). The sun still rises in the east and sets in the west.
What has confused the issue is mankind's messing with what occurs
naturally to make it more convenient for us. Did that change the 7th
day of the week? No.
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When we ask questions we reveal much about
our own understanding of a subject both in the content of our question
and
in the way in which we ask. (Paul)
For great examples of dumb ass questions you cant go past
Jesus' disciples. And yet they were following Jesus. So, on
that basis, your explanation of how you jumped to the conclusion
that I was spiritually undiscerning is a little unconvincing. (CB)
I asked a perfectly fair and reasonable
question and your response, without knowing anything of my background,
is to make an arbitrary judgment of me, personally. (CB)
Not arbitrary. You revealed quite a lot about yourself and your motives
in
the discourses you had with others. (Paul)
Yes arbitrary. I told Andrew he didn't address the issue, and Teresita
I was not arguing in favour of Sunday, and man is not obliged to
believe anything without evidence. I told EW that if the OT foundation
falls over so does the whole house. Still not convinced of the
conclusions
you jumped to.(CB)
Are you a Sabbath keeper? (CB)
I don't know exactly what you mean by Sabbath Keeper. (Paul)
I smell evasion here, but I will play along. Do you consider
sunset Friday to sunset Saturday a special day? Are there things
you normally do not do on that day that you do on other days, like
work for money? (CB)
Your spirit is one of wounded pride..(Paul)
Another completely wrong assumption.(CB)
That CB is spiritually unenlightened:
I have not told you this. You have told everyone this yourself. (Paul)
Wrong again. Paul, you said skeptics and practising religionists can't
discern spiritual things. I am a skeptic. Therefore, according to
*you*,
I am unable to discern. (CB)
This is the result of true spirituality. All things are permissible,
but
not all things are profitable. Those who get caught up on either side
of
your question are lost in religion, and dogma. They are looking for a
small
way to defeat mortality and in the end will only end up chasing their
own
tails. (Paul)
Gibberish. (CB)
Sabbath is not about a 24 hour period in a certain location on this
earth, (Paul)
Important clarification. The issue of my posting is about the
identification
of a certain 24 hour period so that it can be kept holy *regardless*
of
location. In other words, man should be able to identify the Sabbath
no matter where he is. We can't. That is the issue. (CB)
I think you meant to say "just as committing adultery is not about a
sexual liaison between two human beings." To which I reply: Tell it
to the judge
Mr Clinton. (CB)
Spirituality cannot be grasped by the human mind, and thus I have no
enlightenment other than what is given to me. (Paul)
We have no enlightenment other than what comes into our heads,
and is accepted after being measured against the normal laws of
probability
that we use to make judgements on anything in life. Why should man be
held
accountable for not believing what there is insufficient evidence for?
(CB)
Your lack of an answer would have told me you were only spoiling for a
fight. (Paul)
I can assume then that because I answered I have proved that I am not
just
spoling for a fight. That's one wrong assumption out the way then.
Good. (CB)
The biggest problem with your question is that it is moot. The
Sabbath was and will never be about a 24 hour period (Paul)
I assume you meant "The Sabbath *never* was and will never be about a
24
hour period." Please clarify so I don't jump to silly conclusions.
(CB)
at a certain point on this earth. (Paul)
I have already clarified this above.(CB)
If you or I try to understand the scriptures in the sparks that
we can make we will only see bits and pieces of foolishness.
If we study it
in the light of the Holy Spirit He will lead us onto all truth. (Paul)
More gibberish. (CB)
If your are
truly seeking you will abandon this sophomoric question about the
regulations of the Sabbath and seek the meaning of the commandments of
God.
(Paul)
I haven't asked sophomoric questions about Sabbath regulations. I
asked a
very relevant and vital question about how people in different parts
of our
round earth were expected to even know when the seventh day was.
You've said
nothing to clarify that conundrum one iota. (CB)
With God's help you will have your answers. Since the spiritual
enlightenment I have received is a gift of God, I can not give it to you
(Paul)
Allah be praised! (CB)
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