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John 14 15-21
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 Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:17 am Post subject: ACLU: Silent Moments Are Unconstitutional. |
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[ The partial story has been posted at the bottom of this post, a hyperlink
will take you to full story which is somewhat more revealing in terms of those
who cannot defend their rights such as the mentally retarded]
The same people who want it to be illegal to display the Ten Commandments also
think that " moments of silence" should be declared unconstitution. Why?
because they are afraid that people will pray without being heard. In other
words that want it to be illegal to pray to yourself as well to pray with your
friends.
What is the fear? The fear is that prayers get answered by the Creator that
they try so hard to say does not exist.
If I believed that there was no God, I would be telling people to pray all they
want to show that prayers do not get answered. An exercise in futility, BUT
THE FACT IS PRAYERS do get answered. I think the real motivation behind the
agenda is that they don't want people praying to the Creator God.
With the way things are going, it's very possible that soon somebody will see
you in a "moment of silence" and denonce you for "praying" and you will be sent
a way to prison for many years( or worse)
Impossible you say? Not at all. Just take a look at the recent history of China
or the old Soviet Union. It's the same agenda for those who want to make Ten
Commandment displays illegal
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http://www.aclj.org/askjay/011113_student_prayer.asp
"In Virginia, of course, there was a "victory" of sorts, as the U.S. Supreme
Court agreed with the state's Supreme Court, which held that the state's moment
of silence law is constitutional. This is obviously a very positive
development. So the right to pray before a meal is protected in the public
school classroom. It's not illegal to say "grace" before a meal as part of the
beginning of the lunch period, as long as a student does it and it's done with
order and decency. You can't disrupt the class environment.
What the U.S. Supreme Court did with the Virginia case earlier this week from
the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals was to say in effect, "Yes, Virginia's
minute of silence law in its public schools is indeed constitutional." The ACLU
and others wanted the U.S. Supreme Court to take the case and overrule the
Virginia Court, but the Supreme Court said, "No, we're not taking this case.
We're leaving the lower court ruling, which said it is indeed
constitutional-we're letting that ruling stand."
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Remember: Jesus is Lord!
Romans 10:9-10, John 14:15-21, Acts 2:38, Eph 2:7-10, Matthew 5:3-16, 1Cor 15,
John Chapter Three, Romans Chapter Eight, The Book of First John. :)
http://www.unshackled.org/ Old Time Radio Drama / Lives Changed by Christ
"The Gospel is about what God has done for us and what we
can become in Christ; it's about a relationship with Christ being
the answer to our deepest needs. The Good News offers lost people
what they are frantically searching for: forgiveness, freedom, security,
purpose, love, acceptance, and strength. It settles our past, assures
our future, and gives meaning to today. It is the best news in the WORLD."
-----Pastor Rick Warren
Page 224, The Purpose Driven Church, Copyright 1995, ISBN 0-310-20106-3
K-Love : Christian Music, News and Information.
http://klove.com/
Outstanding Bible Teaching online: Thru the Bible Radio.
http://www.ttb.org/
Multi-Bible Translations including non English.
http://bible.gospelcom.net/
http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible
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Civil Rights and Christian Activism. "Letter From a Birmingham Jail"
http://hometown.aol.com/thename888/myhomepage/index.html
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"Most High, glorious God, enlighten the darkness of my heart, and give me a
right faith, a sure hope, a perfect charity."
----St Francis of Assisi
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Mathematics do not lie. For an outstanding Statistical Analysis of why
Evolution is false and that the prophecies of God's Holy Prophets are true.
See the following book:
Title : A Skeptic's search for God.
Subtitle: Convincing evidence for his existence.
By Ralph O. Muncaster
ISBN 0-7369-0452-2
Copyright 2002.
Harvest House Publishers: Eugene, Oregon 97402.
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"Reasons last step is the recognition that there is an infinite number of
things that go beyond it"---Blaise Pascal.
http://www.ankerberg.com/The-Gospel-of-Jesus-Christ.html
http://www2.gasou.edu/facstaff/etmcmull/FUCHIDA.htm |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 1:49 am Post subject: Re: ACLU: Silent Moments Are Unconstitutional. |
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On 31 Aug 2003 21:17:25 GMT, thename888@aol.comsec (John 14 15-21)
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| Quote: | In other
words that want it to be illegal to pray to yourself as well to pray with your
friends.
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And just who are the thought police that can tell when one prays in
silence? Is there a rule that you have to close your eyes or hold up
you hand when you are praying?
Christ says when you pray go into a closet where no one can see
you. If you pray so you can be seen of men that is your mistake.
Michael
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John 14 15-21
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:38 am Post subject: Re: ACLU: Silent Moments Are Unconstitutional. |
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| Quote: | michael@thelastchurch.borg
thename888@aol.comsec (John 14 15-21)
wrote:
In other
words that want it to be illegal to pray to yourself as well to pray with
your
friends.
And just who are the thought police that can tell when one prays in
silence? Is there a rule that you have to close your eyes or hold up
you hand when you are praying?
Christ says when you pray go into a closet where no one can see
you. If you pray so you can be seen of men that is your mistake.
Michael
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LOL. You represent the thought police. I suggest you re-read what I wrote.
The so called "thought police" are in fact everywhere. In many societies
through out history somebody just has think ( it doesn't have to be true) that
you are thinking something they do not like, and you would be put to death.
Those that are against prayer in the schools represent the thought police.
Prayer is not exclusive to Christianity.
How I pray is non of your concern Mr. Thought Police.
That is between me and the God which I believe in.
1 Tim 2:8
8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands,
without wrath and doubting.
(KJV)
You don't even believe in Christ. You're on clear record of believing in the
"sun-god"
Which is your right Mr. Thought Police, but don't be lecturing others of
different faiths on how they should do things.
You sure do a lot of preaching for somebody claims to be against preachers.
LOL
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Remember: Jesus is Lord!
Romans 10:9-10, John 14:15-21, Acts 2:38, Eph 2:7-10, Matthew 5:3-16, 1Cor 15,
John Chapter Three, Romans Chapter Eight, The Book of First John. :)
http://www.unshackled.org/ Old Time Radio Drama / Lives Changed by Christ
"The Gospel is about what God has done for us and what we
can become in Christ; it's about a relationship with Christ being
the answer to our deepest needs. The Good News offers lost people
what they are frantically searching for: forgiveness, freedom, security,
purpose, love, acceptance, and strength. It settles our past, assures
our future, and gives meaning to today. It is the best news in the WORLD."
-----Pastor Rick Warren
Page 224, The Purpose Driven Church, Copyright 1995, ISBN 0-310-20106-3
K-Love : Christian Music, News and Information.
http://klove.com/
Outstanding Bible Teaching online: Thru the Bible Radio.
http://www.ttb.org/
Multi-Bible Translations including non English.
http://bible.gospelcom.net/
http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible
--------
Civil Rights and Christian Activism. "Letter From a Birmingham Jail"
http://hometown.aol.com/thename888/myhomepage/index.html
__________________________________
"Most High, glorious God, enlighten the darkness of my heart, and give me a
right faith, a sure hope, a perfect charity."
----St Francis of Assisi
-
Mathematics do not lie. For an outstanding Statistical Analysis of why
Evolution is false and that the prophecies of God's Holy Prophets are true.
See the following book:
Title : A Skeptic's search for God.
Subtitle: Convincing evidence for his existence.
By Ralph O. Muncaster
ISBN 0-7369-0452-2
Copyright 2002.
Harvest House Publishers: Eugene, Oregon 97402.
---------------
"Reasons last step is the recognition that there is an infinite number of
things that go beyond it"---Blaise Pascal.
http://www.ankerberg.com/The-Gospel-of-Jesus-Christ.html
http://www2.gasou.edu/facstaff/etmcmull/FUCHIDA.htm |
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Ken Smith
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: ACLU: Silent Moments Are Unconstitutional. |
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John 14 15-21 wrote:
| Quote: | michael@thelastchurch.borg
thename888@aol.comsec (John 14 15-21)
wrote:
In other
words that want it to be illegal to pray to yourself as well to pray with
your friends.
And just who are the thought police that can tell when one prays in
silence? Is there a rule that you have to close your eyes or hold up
you hand when you are praying?
Christ says when you pray go into a closet where no one can see
you. If you pray so you can be seen of men that is your mistake.
Michael
LOL. You represent the thought police. I suggest you re-read what I wrote.
The so called "thought police" are in fact everywhere. In many societies
through out history somebody just has think ( it doesn't have to be true) that
you are thinking something they do not like, and you would be put to death.
Those that are against prayer in the schools represent the thought police.
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There's nothing wrong with prayer in public schools -- ever had a pop
quiz? :)
It's rather that official coercion of impressionable youth is impermissible.
| Quote: | Prayer is not exclusive to Christianity.
How I pray is non of your concern Mr. Thought Police.
That is between me and the God which I believe in.
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I must therefore infer you don't believe in the Christian god, then. I will
accept that answer, Bob.  |
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John 14 15-21
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: ACLU: Silent Moments Are Unconstitutional. |
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| Quote: | Ken Smith Ranger57@concentric.net
There's nothing wrong with prayer in public schools -- ever had a pop
quiz? :)
It's rather that official coercion of impressionable youth is
impermissible.
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Cool, so your saying it just be legal to pray out loud just before a pop quiz!
:)
lol>> That is between me and the God which I believe in.
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I must therefore infer you don't believe in the Christian god, then. I
will
accept that answer, Bob.
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What you wrote makes no sense, I accept other people believe differently.
We both know, no other god or non god can compete with the Creator God
Therefore you desire censorship, where as I want a wide open and level playing
field in the market place of ideas.
In an open market of ideas, I win. Which is why you desire censorship. Open up
the classrooms Ken!
All the proof, and there is an enormous amount of it, as well as virtually
everything that is good in this world comes from the Gospel of Jesus Christ. :)
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Remember: Jesus is Lord!
Romans 10:9-10, John 14:15-21, Acts 2:38, Eph 2:7-10, Matthew 5:3-16, 1Cor 15,
John Chapter Three, Romans Chapter Eight, The Book of First John. :)
http://www.unshackled.org/ Old Time Radio Drama / Lives Changed by Christ
"The Gospel is about what God has done for us and what we
can become in Christ; it's about a relationship with Christ being
the answer to our deepest needs. The Good News offers lost people
what they are frantically searching for: forgiveness, freedom, security,
purpose, love, acceptance, and strength. It settles our past, assures
our future, and gives meaning to today. It is the best news in the WORLD."
-----Pastor Rick Warren
Page 224, The Purpose Driven Church, Copyright 1995, ISBN 0-310-20106-3
K-Love : Christian Music, News and Information.
http://klove.com/
Outstanding Bible Teaching online: Thru the Bible Radio.
http://www.ttb.org/
Multi-Bible Translations including non English.
http://bible.gospelcom.net/
http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible
--------
Civil Rights and Christian Activism. "Letter From a Birmingham Jail"
http://hometown.aol.com/thename888/myhomepage/index.html
__________________________________
"Most High, glorious God, enlighten the darkness of my heart, and give me a
right faith, a sure hope, a perfect charity."
----St Francis of Assisi
-
Mathematics do not lie. For an outstanding Statistical Analysis of why
Evolution is false and that the prophecies of God's Holy Prophets are true.
See the following book:
Title : A Skeptic's search for God.
Subtitle: Convincing evidence for his existence.
By Ralph O. Muncaster
ISBN 0-7369-0452-2
Copyright 2002.
Harvest House Publishers: Eugene, Oregon 97402.
---------------
"Reasons last step is the recognition that there is an infinite number of
things that go beyond it"---Blaise Pascal.
http://www.ankerberg.com/The-Gospel-of-Jesus-Christ.html
http://www2.gasou.edu/facstaff/etmcmull/FUCHIDA.htm |
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Ken Smith
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 3:35 am Post subject: Re: ACLU: Silent Moments Are Unconstitutional. |
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John 14 15-21 wrote:
| Quote: | Ken Smith Ranger57@concentric.net
There's nothing wrong with prayer in public schools -- ever had a pop
quiz? :)
It's rather that official coercion of impressionable youth is impermissible.
Cool, so your saying it just be legal to pray out loud just before a pop quiz!
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It's legal for you to pray. It's not legal for the State to intimidate you into
praying. Wallace v. Jaffree.
| Quote: | lol>> That is between me and the God which I believe in.
I must therefore infer you don't believe in the Christian god, then. I
will accept that answer, Bob. :)
What you wrote makes no sense, I accept other people believe differently.
We both know, no other god or non god can compete with the Creator God
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Ahura-Mazda? ElRon? Anything's better than the dead man you
worship....
| Quote: | Therefore you desire censorship, where as I want a wide open and level playing
field in the market place of ideas.
In an open market of ideas, I win.
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Then why aren't you satisfied to compete in the public square? Why do
you *have* to rape the minds of impressionable children who have yet to
develop the capacity to think for themselves?
| Quote: | Which is why you desire censorship.
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I don't desire censorship of one viewpoint or many but rather, that some
reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions be placed on the religious
speech you wish to engage in.
| Quote: | Open up the classrooms Ken!
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The reason that we don't open up the classrooms is because we seek to
protect PARENTS' exclusive right to provide their children with religious
instruction as they see fit.
You want to rape the minds of young children, who have yet to develop
the faculties to think for themselves. It is because you can't compete in the
open market for sentient adults, and you damn well know it. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 1:10 am Post subject: Re: ACLU: Silent Moments Are Unconstitutional. |
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On 02 Sep 2003 04:38:00 GMT, thename888@aol.comsec (John 14 15-21)
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| Quote: | michael@thelastchurch.borg
Christ says when you pray go into a closet where no one can see
you. If you pray so you can be seen of men that is your mistake.
Michael
Those that are against prayer in the schools represent the thought police.
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I am not against prayer in any place.
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How I pray is non of your concern.
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I never said it was.
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That is between me and the God which I believe in.
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That is true, just like Abortion is between the mother and her God.
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You don't even believe in Christ. You're on clear record of believing in the
"sun-god"
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I follow the spirit of Christ, who you say is your God.
Christ says when you pray go into a closet where no one can see
you. But if you wish to pray in public, to be seen of men you are
free to do so.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they
make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their
garments.
Mat 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen
of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in
heaven.
Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
[are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the
corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say
unto you, They have their reward.
In the mind of Christ,
Michael
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A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
michael@thelastchurch.org
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 1:13 am Post subject: Re: ACLU: Silent Moments Are Unconstitutional. |
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On 02 Sep 2003 16:50:30 GMT, thename888@aol.comsec (John 14 15-21)
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| Quote: | I want a wide open and level playing
field in the market place of ideas.
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God is not for sale that you can do commercials and convince
people that your doctrine is the only true way.
Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
[are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the
corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say
unto you, They have their reward.
In the mind of Christ,
Michael
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A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
michael@thelastchurch.org
alt.religion.thelastchurch
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