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 Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Adam and Eve |
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| Quote: | Hmmm, actually, it was you that said Lilith was Eve, not me.
===>That is asinine.
I never said such a stupid thing.
Stop lying. -- L.
Burt: Check your archive. We were talking about Eve, you brought up Lilith.
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Libertarius
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:38 am Post subject: Re: Adam and Eve |
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Michael Burt wrote:
| Quote: | In article <3F5664DA.29B3716E@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
Michael Burt wrote:
In article <3F56608D.CD8341B2@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
Michael Burt wrote:
In article <3F56221A.E9A365DC@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
Michael Burt wrote:
In article <3F44F3C8.58AA3E31@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
Michael wrote:
In article <3F395650.ADBDABC8@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius
Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
Michael wrote:
In article <3F390C24.588BD8AC@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius
Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
Michael wrote:
In article
3F384ED8.F78A9D88@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius
Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
"Jessica L. Price" wrote:
"Libertarius"
Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net
wrote
in
message
news:3F3813F8.8877329B@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...
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|
| Michael wrote:
|
| > In article
| > <ulv9jvglj600ihabojrdklhkack6rp6b39@4ax.com>,
| > Don
| > <calldonREMOVE@earthlink.net> wrote:
|
| > > On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 01:50:16 -0500, "Robert
| > > Gau"
robertgau@ev1.net
| > > wrote:
|
| > > >I think the idea (and I might be acting
| > > quite
idealistic here) is
that
| > > >sex is SO amazing and beautiful that it
| > > should
| > > >only
| > > >be
| > > >shared
between
| > > >two people who share insurmountable love.
|
| > > BUZZ! WRONG!
|
| > > The BIBLICAL MARRIAGE was an arranged
| > > marriage
| > > and
| > > had
nothing to do
| > > with "insurmountable love." In fact, it had
| > > nothing
| > > to
| > > do
with love
| > > at all. It was a contract between two
| > > families.
| > > Women
| > > were
treated
| > > as chattel, as property.
|
| > BUZZ! WRONG! Sounds like the religiou feminist
| > mythology
of Gloria
| > Steinman.
|
| ===>Who on earth is "Gloria Steinman"???
I think, that since this man has proven he knows
nothing
about
either
feminism or Israelite marriage practices, we
shouldn't
expect
him to be
able to spell "Steinem" correctly.
===>You are so correct!
Thanks, coming from you, for the nice compliment. You
can
spell
Steinem,
I can read Isaiah 34:14 without inventing Lillith out
of
thin
air.
===>No, you cant.
It is your head that is full of "thin air".
Reading the KJV is NOT reading Isaiah.
Never said it was, that is why I asked what Hebrew word are
you
translating as Lillith?
Not even reading the best translation.
E.g., here is a more accyrate translation of
Isaiah 34:14
"And there shall the beasts of the desert meet with the
jackals,
and the wild goat shall cry to his fellow;
the lilith also shall settle there,
and find for herself a place of rest."
(Darby Version).
Good. BTW, reading Darby is NOT reading Isaiah. But
good
old
Darby
doesn't say that lilith is another name for Eve.
===>NO ONE has ever said that.
Where do you come up with those doozies?
Adam called her woman,
God changed her name to Eve. No where is there an
indication
that
the
lilith is a reference to Eve.
===>And no one ever said there was or it is.
You brought lillith up, not me. Jessica affirmed what you said
about
Lillith as a reference to Eve, but not from Scripture.
the subject of Isaiah is the day of the
Lord's vengeance for the controversy of Zion, it is not the
Garden
of
Eden.
===>Your mind is narrower than the famous camel gate of
Jesus.
One always knows that he has found something when his adversary
stops
discussing the issues and begins to make false witnesses
against
the
person.
Lillith is regarded as a name of a female goddess known as
a
night
demon
who haunts the desolate places of Edom or possibly a a
nocturnal
animal
that inhabits desolate places such as, butnot limited to, a
screech
owl.
The invention of a reference to Eve came about in Germany,
many
centuries
later than any previous rendering. Are you saying that Eve
is
a
night
demon who haunts the desolate places of Edom?
===>NO ONE has ever said that.
Hmmmm, actually a lot of people have.
===>WRONG!
Some say that about LILITH,
but no one says that about EVE!
IOW, the whole Lilith thing was irrelevant to Eve, so why was it ever
brought up? BTW Reading Darby is still not reading Isaiah.
Edom and Eden are not the
same place, nor is there any reference to Eve in Edom.
===>Irrelevant nonsense. -- L.
So is the subject of Lillith you raised.
===>You lie or are mistaken.
I did not raise the subject, only confirmed the existence of
Lilith in the canonical Bible. -- L.
WE thank you for confirming the existence, we disagree as to your
representations.
===>More lies/erroneous statements.
I made no "representations" re. Lilith.
But YOU did make FALSE representations about some people's
ideas re. EVE. -- L.
MOre lies/erroneous statements?
===>You said I raised the subject of Lilith and made certain
"representations".
Exactly what FALSE representations
about some people's ideas re. EVE did I make?
SEE ABOVE:
* Are you saying that Eve is a night demon who haunts the desolate
places of
Edom?
===>NO ONE has ever said that.
* Hmmmm, actually a lot of people have.
So, you see, it is there.
Libertarius
Hmmm, actually, it was you that said Lilith was Eve, not me.
===>That is asinine.
I never said such a stupid thing.
Stop lying. -- L.
Check your archive. We were talking about Eve, you brought up Lilith.
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===>Stop dodging it!
You wrote: "it was you that said Lilith was Eve".
I NEVER, EVER wrote such a stupid thing.
So, just stop lying! OK? -- L. |
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Michael Burt
Guest
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 2:16 am Post subject: Re: Adam and Eve |
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In article <3F57A2D9.71FBA14@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Michael Burt wrote:
In article <3F5664DA.29B3716E@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
Michael Burt wrote:
In article <3F56608D.CD8341B2@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
Michael Burt wrote:
In article <3F56221A.E9A365DC@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
Michael Burt wrote:
In article <3F44F3C8.58AA3E31@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
Michael wrote:
In article <3F395650.ADBDABC8@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius
Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
Michael wrote:
In article
3F390C24.588BD8AC@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius
Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
Michael wrote:
In article
3F384ED8.F78A9D88@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius
Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
"Jessica L. Price" wrote:
"Libertarius"
Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net
wrote
in
message
news:3F3813F8.8877329B@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net
...
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|
| Michael wrote:
|
| > In article
|
| <ulv9jvglj600ihabojrdklhkack6rp6b39@4ax.com>,
| > Don
| > <calldonREMOVE@earthlink.net> wrote:
|
| > > On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 01:50:16 -0500,
| "Robert
| > > Gau"
robertgau@ev1.net
| > > wrote:
|
| > > >I think the idea (and I might be acting
| > > quite
idealistic here) is
that
| > > >sex is SO amazing and beautiful that it
| > > should
| > > >only
| > > >be
| > > >shared
between
| > > >two people who share insurmountable
| love.
|
| > > BUZZ! WRONG!
|
| > > The BIBLICAL MARRIAGE was an arranged
| > > marriage
| > > and
| > > had
nothing to do
| > > with "insurmountable love." In fact, it
| had
| > > nothing
| > > to
| > > do
with love
| > > at all. It was a contract between two
| > > families.
| > > Women
| > > were
treated
| > > as chattel, as property.
|
| > BUZZ! WRONG! Sounds like the religiou
| feminist
| > mythology
of Gloria
| > Steinman.
|
| ===>Who on earth is "Gloria Steinman"???
I think, that since this man has proven he
knows
nothing
about
either
feminism or Israelite marriage practices, we
shouldn't
expect
him to be
able to spell "Steinem" correctly.
===>You are so correct!
Thanks, coming from you, for the nice compliment.
You
can
spell
Steinem,
I can read Isaiah 34:14 without inventing Lillith
out
of
thin
air.
===>No, you cant.
It is your head that is full of "thin air".
Reading the KJV is NOT reading Isaiah.
Never said it was, that is why I asked what Hebrew word
are
you
translating as Lillith?
Not even reading the best translation.
E.g., here is a more accyrate translation of
Isaiah 34:14
"And there shall the beasts of the desert meet with
the
jackals,
and the wild goat shall cry to his fellow;
the lilith also shall settle there,
and find for herself a place of rest."
(Darby Version).
Good. BTW, reading Darby is NOT reading Isaiah. But
good
old
Darby
doesn't say that lilith is another name for Eve.
===>NO ONE has ever said that.
Where do you come up with those doozies?
Adam called her woman,
God changed her name to Eve. No where is there an
indication
that
the
lilith is a reference to Eve.
===>And no one ever said there was or it is.
You brought lillith up, not me. Jessica affirmed what you
said
about
Lillith as a reference to Eve, but not from Scripture.
the subject of Isaiah is the day of the
Lord's vengeance for the controversy of Zion, it is not
the
Garden
of
Eden.
===>Your mind is narrower than the famous camel gate of
Jesus.
One always knows that he has found something when his
adversary
stops
discussing the issues and begins to make false witnesses
against
the
person.
Lillith is regarded as a name of a female goddess known
as
a
night
demon
who haunts the desolate places of Edom or possibly a a
nocturnal
animal
that inhabits desolate places such as, butnot limited
to, a
screech
owl.
The invention of a reference to Eve came about in
Germany,
many
centuries
later than any previous rendering. Are you saying that
Eve
is
a
night
demon who haunts the desolate places of Edom?
===>NO ONE has ever said that.
Hmmmm, actually a lot of people have.
===>WRONG!
Some say that about LILITH,
but no one says that about EVE!
IOW, the whole Lilith thing was irrelevant to Eve, so why was it
ever
brought up? BTW Reading Darby is still not reading Isaiah.
Edom and Eden are not the
same place, nor is there any reference to Eve in Edom.
===>Irrelevant nonsense. -- L.
So is the subject of Lillith you raised.
===>You lie or are mistaken.
I did not raise the subject, only confirmed the existence of
Lilith in the canonical Bible. -- L.
WE thank you for confirming the existence, we disagree as to
your
representations.
===>More lies/erroneous statements.
I made no "representations" re. Lilith.
But YOU did make FALSE representations about some people's
ideas re. EVE. -- L.
MOre lies/erroneous statements?
===>You said I raised the subject of Lilith and made certain
"representations".
Exactly what FALSE representations
about some people's ideas re. EVE did I make?
SEE ABOVE:
* Are you saying that Eve is a night demon who haunts the
desolate
places of
Edom?
===>NO ONE has ever said that.
* Hmmmm, actually a lot of people have.
So, you see, it is there.
Libertarius
Hmmm, actually, it was you that said Lilith was Eve, not me.
===>That is asinine.
I never said such a stupid thing.
Stop lying. -- L.
Check your archive. We were talking about Eve, you brought up Lilith.
===>Stop dodging it!
You wrote: "it was you that said Lilith was Eve".
I NEVER, EVER wrote such a stupid thing.
So, just stop lying! OK? -- L.
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Michael Burt
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 2:18 am Post subject: Re: Adam and Eve |
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| Quote: |
Tom: You post 12kb of crap just to add one line? Thanks for the
consideration of others Burt, just about what I would expect from you.
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Just responding to 12kb of crap with just one new line. Thanks for the
consideration of others, Liberatus, just about what we would expect from
you. |
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Libertarius
Guest
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:25 am Post subject: Re: Adam and Eve |
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Michael Burt wrote:
| Quote: | Hmmm, actually, it was you that said Lilith was Eve, not me.
===>That is asinine.
I never said such a stupid thing.
Stop lying. -- L.
Check your archive. We were talking about Eve, you brought up Lilith.
===>Stop dodging it!
You wrote: "it was you that said Lilith was Eve".
I NEVER, EVER wrote such a stupid thing.
So, just stop lying! OK? -- L.
So, exactly what did you say?
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===>Not what you keep insinuating.
Look it up! -- L. |
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Libertarius
Guest
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 3:27 am Post subject: Re: Adam and Eve |
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Michael Burt wrote:
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Tom: You post 12kb of crap just to add one line? Thanks for the
consideration of others Burt, just about what I would expect from you.
Just responding to 12kb of crap with just one new line. Thanks for the
consideration of others, Liberatus, just about what we would expect from
you.
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===>There you go again!
Are you a born-again LIAR?
When did Libertarius (which you misspelled as "Liberatus")
write that? |
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Michael Burt
Guest
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Adam and Eve |
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In article <3F57BC50.85E555DE@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>,
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Michael Burt wrote:
Tom: You post 12kb of crap just to add one line? Thanks for the
consideration of others Burt, just about what I would expect from you.
Just responding to 12kb of crap with just one new line. Thanks for the
consideration of others, Liberatus, just about what we would expect from
you.
===>There you go again!
Are you a born-again LIAR?
When did Libertarius (which you misspelled as "Liberatus")
write that?
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When did Liberatus write 12kb of crap? Hey, just check your archive. |
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