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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:19:31 -0700, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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He will require you to provide him all your "proof" and
"documentation." I suggest you start preparing it.
For what? Another of your imaginary lawsuits? |
| Quote: | I may not know where many people in here are, but I am quite certain
I can find YOU. And you're LOCAL!
ANOTHER threat duly noted...
Could you afford one, John?
You really don't need to concern yourself with that. In a criminal
court, the DA takes care of the prosecution. You merely need to
concern yourself with a good defense attorney.
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Not necessairly, short bus. And when you LOSE , you will be forced to
either pay court costs, or face jail time in lieu thereof.
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I suggest you plead "insanity." That should be a "slam dunk."
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Oh, good grief --- you ARE a total jackass, weatherless. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: Re: @Matt |
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:32:44 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
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In gratitude will I do good works.
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Sure you will ---- by LYING about people, causing dissension, and
unrest. You phony --------------- |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: Re: @Matt |
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:04:41 -0700, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH!
To quote 'you' .....
you lying spiritual slut
attention WHORE
filthy big mouthed lying BITCH
asshole
penis breath
no good lying son of a BITCH
shit-for-brains asshole
Go F--- yourself, bitch
beat the living SHIT out of you, you lying old sack of feces
and of course, "you GXX damned liar" ......
To say nothing of 'Her First Time', right 'Oh Daddy"??? |
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Linda Lee
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:05 am Post subject: Re: * ARE HOMOSEXUAL ACTS WRONG IF THEY'RE IN LOVE? * |
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On Aug 19, 8:48 pm, Qadosh Stephanos <qadosh.stepha...@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee
lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:06 pm, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 11:44 am, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:21:32 GMT, "BRUCE" <blimeyTE...@StruthNO.com
wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:peo8a4h3i8uulb5e7ingp8hgabk9dauqio@4ax.com...
***SNIP***
Dude
Homosexuals are the new hate of the relgious right now that their past hates
of blacks and Asians are not acceptable. They now appeal to the predigous of
some to fire up against homosexuals
That is not accurate; homosexuals have been percecuted by Christianity
for centuries. Of course, then non-christians also strongly opposed
homosexuality. Aside from a relitively short time when Plato's insane
ideas festered in Greco-Roman culture, homosexuality has been hated by
most human cultures. Even many people who do not support percecuting
homosexuals are repulsed by the sight of two men kissing. many who
would never think of persecuting homosexuals know that it is
ridiculous for homosexuals to pretend to get married since marriage is
a religious institution and God forbids homosexual sex. Homosexuals
may be an easy target for hate mongers, but that does not mean that
homosexual sex is not wrong/evil. Homosexual sex is forbidden by God.
You really can't get around that just by pointing out the fact that
some christians don't seem to care about their own sins like adultery,
murder, idolatry, et cetera. I don't know if Dave was just hate
mongering. I honestly saw no reason to read his entire post when the
answer to the subject question is so simple: homosexual sex is always
an evil action.
All of human history indicates that homosexuality is not only a
perversion, but a perversion that has been almost universally
condemned. The tolerance of homosexuality in the modern West is a
very disturbing indicator of the quickening decline and decadence of
Western society.
-Al-
Biology argues against homosexuality as well, as it serves no purpose
whereas heterosexuality perpetuates the species. I don't hate
homosexuals though, and physical attacks on them should be labeled
'hate crimes' with the attendant harsher penalties, and discrimination
against them in matters of work, health, housing, etc. should be
illegal - criminally and civilly.
I just saw on the TV news how a doctor (pediatrician) had just lost a
lawsuit brought against him because he refused to treat a child who
had two 'moms' i.e. two homosexual women who acted as the child's
parents. Maybe 60 days in the county jail would be more persuasive
than just a lawsuit initiated at the expense of the people he
victimized.
Yes, you're right, biology is against the perpetuation of
homosexuality. Strangely enough, it has not died out, but seems to
have remained relatively constant as a percentage of the population
(although people squabble as to just what that percentage may be).
It is a puzzle how what is obviously counterproductive in a real
sense would continue to be perpetuated. The answer may be that
something else -- something useful -- is tied to homosexuality, and
when we get that useful thing, whatever it may be, we are forced,
genetically, to take homosexuality along with it.
I'm against any malice towards any homosexual, purely on the basis
of his or her homosexuality. Not only physical abuse and violence,
but also verbal abuse and intimidation of any kind, are to be
deplored. It's not the way good people behave. It is not Christian.
It's not polite to give someone a hard time over their sexuality.
On the other hand, I see no reason why homosexuality should be
actively supported by governments, the media, schools, or any other
official or semi-official institution or group.
-Al-
But I've known people whose homosexuality is obviously from their
hormones being out of whack, men with real high voices, etc., so
although it's unproductive biologically, it is a common condition.
They used to label it a psychiatric condition and decided it was not
caused by any mental disorder, but that it was caused by too many of
the other gender's hormones.
I've worked with heterosexual colleagues with real high voices! 
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Hi Qadosh,
I wondered where you'd been.
That is true, high or low voices in men or women are not conclusive,
but I have seen gays who really seemed to be the opposite sex in many
ways.
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No doubt, Dave is a bit disappointed to discover King James was gay.
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LOL.
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Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc... are a boys only member's club.
Paul told woman to shut up.
Mohammed covered them.
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That is really bizarre. The next step would be to kill them all; but
then how would the species continue?
| Quote: | Buddha's obedience.
Put back those 10 commandments in the schools, especially the Sabbath!
Closed on the weekly Sabbath, sorry, come back on Sunday for Big Sale! |
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Linda Lee
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:23 am Post subject: Re: * ARE HOMOSEXUAL ACTS WRONG IF THEY'RE IN LOVE? * |
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On Aug 19, 10:09 pm, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 19, 6:06 pm, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 11:44 am, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:21:32 GMT, "BRUCE" <blimeyTE...@StruthNO.com
wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:peo8a4h3i8uulb5e7ingp8hgabk9dauqio@4ax.com...
***SNIP***
Dude
Homosexuals are the new hate of the relgious right now that their past hates
of blacks and Asians are not acceptable. They now appeal to the predigous of
some to fire up against homosexuals
That is not accurate; homosexuals have been percecuted by Christianity
for centuries. Of course, then non-christians also strongly opposed
homosexuality. Aside from a relitively short time when Plato's insane
ideas festered in Greco-Roman culture, homosexuality has been hated by
most human cultures. Even many people who do not support percecuting
homosexuals are repulsed by the sight of two men kissing. many who
would never think of persecuting homosexuals know that it is
ridiculous for homosexuals to pretend to get married since marriage is
a religious institution and God forbids homosexual sex. Homosexuals
may be an easy target for hate mongers, but that does not mean that
homosexual sex is not wrong/evil. Homosexual sex is forbidden by God.
You really can't get around that just by pointing out the fact that
some christians don't seem to care about their own sins like adultery,
murder, idolatry, et cetera. I don't know if Dave was just hate
mongering. I honestly saw no reason to read his entire post when the
answer to the subject question is so simple: homosexual sex is always
an evil action.
All of human history indicates that homosexuality is not only a
perversion, but a perversion that has been almost universally
condemned. The tolerance of homosexuality in the modern West is a
very disturbing indicator of the quickening decline and decadence of
Western society.
-Al-
Biology argues against homosexuality as well, as it serves no purpose
whereas heterosexuality perpetuates the species. I don't hate
homosexuals though, and physical attacks on them should be labeled
'hate crimes' with the attendant harsher penalties, and discrimination
against them in matters of work, health, housing, etc. should be
illegal - criminally and civilly.
I just saw on the TV news how a doctor (pediatrician) had just lost a
lawsuit brought against him because he refused to treat a child who
had two 'moms' i.e. two homosexual women who acted as the child's
parents. Maybe 60 days in the county jail would be more persuasive
than just a lawsuit initiated at the expense of the people he
victimized.
Yes, you're right, biology is against the perpetuation of
homosexuality. Strangely enough, it has not died out, but seems to
have remained relatively constant as a percentage of the population
(although people squabble as to just what that percentage may be).
It is a puzzle how what is obviously counterproductive in a real
sense would continue to be perpetuated. The answer may be that
something else -- something useful -- is tied to homosexuality, and
when we get that useful thing, whatever it may be, we are forced,
genetically, to take homosexuality along with it.
I'm against any malice towards any homosexual, purely on the basis
of his or her homosexuality. Not only physical abuse and violence,
but also verbal abuse and intimidation of any kind, are to be
deplored. It's not the way good people behave. It is not Christian.
It's not polite to give someone a hard time over their sexuality.
On the other hand, I see no reason why homosexuality should be
actively supported by governments, the media, schools, or any other
official or semi-official institution or group.
-Al-
But I've known people whose homosexuality is obviously from their
hormones being out of whack, men with real high voices, etc., so
although it's unproductive biologically, it is a common condition.
They used to label it a psychiatric condition and decided it was not
caused by any mental disorder, but that it was caused by too many of
the other gender's hormones.
The tendency appears to be genetic, at least in many cases. You get
the tell-tale markers such as a lisp and effeminate hand gestures. I
know, because my nephew is a homosexual. When he was an infant, my
brother and I would watch him run across the floor and shake our
heads. He's flap his arms like a bird's wings.
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LOL. I never heard of pretend-flying as a sign of homosexuality. And
speaking as a female, I sure don't run that way. I did jump off of
things a lot as a baby though... Guess I should have flapped my arms.
| Quote: | He always lisped. We
didn't say anything about it, but we were both silently hoping the
signs wouldn't amount to anything ... but they did.
On the other hand, a predisposition is not a compulsion. It is an
inclination. That gets lost sight of these days, when everyone is
expected to immediately give in to their whims and impulses at the
drop of a hat, no matter what they may be. In many cases, the
predisposition to homosexuality is not all that strong, and it can
be resisted. And should be, where possible, since no good ever comes
of it.
-Al- |
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:52:02 -0400, DOC <NOSPAM@nospam> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:48:59 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:13:38 -0400, DOC <NOSPAM@nospam> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:29:58 -0400, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
DOC wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:38:43 -0400, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
DOC wrote:
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:05:55 -0400, Col Sneakly
colsneak@chitchat.com> wrote:
john w <j wrote:
!!!!!!!!
Then just say you haven't a clue what you are talking about. Wait,
that's common knowledge already.
Col. Sneak
Yup --- same old same old johnnie!  )
No, not the same old, he has finally posted his masterpiece, his award
winning picture. It really isn't all that bad, it shows he has a tad of
talent after all. My only disappointment is the portfolio is so small
for 40 years of gathering the best of the best of the best.
40 years, and only one pic to show for it!
so it seems, isn't that sad?
Gee--- maybe he'll take another one over the next 40 years!
Gotta get him off that computer first.
He reads every word of every post.
That takes a lot of time.
But surely the caregivers at the home must make retire for the night
some time!
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Qadosh Stephanos
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: Re: * ARE HOMOSEXUAL ACTS WRONG IF THEY'RE IN LOVE? * |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee
<lindagirl444@juno.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 19, 6:06 pm, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 11:44 am, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:21:32 GMT, "BRUCE" <blimeyTE...@StruthNO.com
wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:peo8a4h3i8uulb5e7ingp8hgabk9dauqio@4ax.com...
***SNIP***
Dude
Homosexuals are the new hate of the relgious right now that their past hates
of blacks and Asians are not acceptable. They now appeal to the predigous of
some to fire up against homosexuals
That is not accurate; homosexuals have been percecuted by Christianity
for centuries. Of course, then non-christians also strongly opposed
homosexuality. Aside from a relitively short time when Plato's insane
ideas festered in Greco-Roman culture, homosexuality has been hated by
most human cultures. Even many people who do not support percecuting
homosexuals are repulsed by the sight of two men kissing. many who
would never think of persecuting homosexuals know that it is
ridiculous for homosexuals to pretend to get married since marriage is
a religious institution and God forbids homosexual sex. Homosexuals
may be an easy target for hate mongers, but that does not mean that
homosexual sex is not wrong/evil. Homosexual sex is forbidden by God.
You really can't get around that just by pointing out the fact that
some christians don't seem to care about their own sins like adultery,
murder, idolatry, et cetera. I don't know if Dave was just hate
mongering. I honestly saw no reason to read his entire post when the
answer to the subject question is so simple: homosexual sex is always
an evil action.
All of human history indicates that homosexuality is not only a
perversion, but a perversion that has been almost universally
condemned. The tolerance of homosexuality in the modern West is a
very disturbing indicator of the quickening decline and decadence of
Western society.
-Al-
Biology argues against homosexuality as well, as it serves no purpose
whereas heterosexuality perpetuates the species. I don't hate
homosexuals though, and physical attacks on them should be labeled
'hate crimes' with the attendant harsher penalties, and discrimination
against them in matters of work, health, housing, etc. should be
illegal - criminally and civilly.
I just saw on the TV news how a doctor (pediatrician) had just lost a
lawsuit brought against him because he refused to treat a child who
had two 'moms' i.e. two homosexual women who acted as the child's
parents. Maybe 60 days in the county jail would be more persuasive
than just a lawsuit initiated at the expense of the people he
victimized.
Yes, you're right, biology is against the perpetuation of
homosexuality. Strangely enough, it has not died out, but seems to
have remained relatively constant as a percentage of the population
(although people squabble as to just what that percentage may be).
It is a puzzle how what is obviously counterproductive in a real
sense would continue to be perpetuated. The answer may be that
something else -- something useful -- is tied to homosexuality, and
when we get that useful thing, whatever it may be, we are forced,
genetically, to take homosexuality along with it.
I'm against any malice towards any homosexual, purely on the basis
of his or her homosexuality. Not only physical abuse and violence,
but also verbal abuse and intimidation of any kind, are to be
deplored. It's not the way good people behave. It is not Christian.
It's not polite to give someone a hard time over their sexuality.
On the other hand, I see no reason why homosexuality should be
actively supported by governments, the media, schools, or any other
official or semi-official institution or group.
-Al-
But I've known people whose homosexuality is obviously from their
hormones being out of whack, men with real high voices, etc., so
although it's unproductive biologically, it is a common condition.
They used to label it a psychiatric condition and decided it was not
caused by any mental disorder, but that it was caused by too many of
the other gender's hormones.
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I've worked with heterosexual colleagues with real high voices! ;-)
No doubt, Dave is a bit disappointed to discover King James was gay.
Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc... are a boys only member's club.
Paul told woman to shut up. Mohammed covered them. Buddha's obedience.
Put back those 10 commandments in the schools, especially the Sabbath!
Closed on the weekly Sabbath, sorry, come back on Sunday for Big Sale! |
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DOC
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:03 am Post subject: Re: Mark T has been a Christian since 1972 |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:44:34 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:52:02 -0400, DOC <NOSPAM@nospam> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:48:59 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:13:38 -0400, DOC <NOSPAM@nospam> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:29:58 -0400, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
DOC wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:38:43 -0400, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote:
DOC wrote:
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:05:55 -0400, Col Sneakly
colsneak@chitchat.com> wrote:
john w <j wrote:
!!!!!!!!
Then just say you haven't a clue what you are talking about. Wait,
that's common knowledge already.
Col. Sneak
Yup --- same old same old johnnie! )
No, not the same old, he has finally posted his masterpiece, his award
winning picture. It really isn't all that bad, it shows he has a tad of
talent after all. My only disappointment is the portfolio is so small
for 40 years of gathering the best of the best of the best.
40 years, and only one pic to show for it!
so it seems, isn't that sad?
Gee--- maybe he'll take another one over the next 40 years!
Gotta get him off that computer first.
He reads every word of every post.
That takes a lot of time.
But surely the caregivers at the home must make retire for the night
some time!
I'm sure they want him on the computer so as not to bother them.
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Al Smith
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:09 am Post subject: Re: * ARE HOMOSEXUAL ACTS WRONG IF THEY'RE IN LOVE? * |
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| Quote: | On Aug 19, 6:06 pm, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 11:44 am, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:21:32 GMT, "BRUCE" <blimeyTE...@StruthNO.com
wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:peo8a4h3i8uulb5e7ingp8hgabk9dauqio@4ax.com...
***SNIP***
Dude
Homosexuals are the new hate of the relgious right now that their past hates
of blacks and Asians are not acceptable. They now appeal to the predigous of
some to fire up against homosexuals
That is not accurate; homosexuals have been percecuted by Christianity
for centuries. Of course, then non-christians also strongly opposed
homosexuality. Aside from a relitively short time when Plato's insane
ideas festered in Greco-Roman culture, homosexuality has been hated by
most human cultures. Even many people who do not support percecuting
homosexuals are repulsed by the sight of two men kissing. many who
would never think of persecuting homosexuals know that it is
ridiculous for homosexuals to pretend to get married since marriage is
a religious institution and God forbids homosexual sex. Homosexuals
may be an easy target for hate mongers, but that does not mean that
homosexual sex is not wrong/evil. Homosexual sex is forbidden by God.
You really can't get around that just by pointing out the fact that
some christians don't seem to care about their own sins like adultery,
murder, idolatry, et cetera. I don't know if Dave was just hate
mongering. I honestly saw no reason to read his entire post when the
answer to the subject question is so simple: homosexual sex is always
an evil action.
All of human history indicates that homosexuality is not only a
perversion, but a perversion that has been almost universally
condemned. The tolerance of homosexuality in the modern West is a
very disturbing indicator of the quickening decline and decadence of
Western society.
-Al-
Biology argues against homosexuality as well, as it serves no purpose
whereas heterosexuality perpetuates the species. I don't hate
homosexuals though, and physical attacks on them should be labeled
'hate crimes' with the attendant harsher penalties, and discrimination
against them in matters of work, health, housing, etc. should be
illegal - criminally and civilly.
I just saw on the TV news how a doctor (pediatrician) had just lost a
lawsuit brought against him because he refused to treat a child who
had two 'moms' i.e. two homosexual women who acted as the child's
parents. Maybe 60 days in the county jail would be more persuasive
than just a lawsuit initiated at the expense of the people he
victimized.
Yes, you're right, biology is against the perpetuation of
homosexuality. Strangely enough, it has not died out, but seems to
have remained relatively constant as a percentage of the population
(although people squabble as to just what that percentage may be).
It is a puzzle how what is obviously counterproductive in a real
sense would continue to be perpetuated. The answer may be that
something else -- something useful -- is tied to homosexuality, and
when we get that useful thing, whatever it may be, we are forced,
genetically, to take homosexuality along with it.
I'm against any malice towards any homosexual, purely on the basis
of his or her homosexuality. Not only physical abuse and violence,
but also verbal abuse and intimidation of any kind, are to be
deplored. It's not the way good people behave. It is not Christian.
It's not polite to give someone a hard time over their sexuality.
On the other hand, I see no reason why homosexuality should be
actively supported by governments, the media, schools, or any other
official or semi-official institution or group.
-Al-
But I've known people whose homosexuality is obviously from their
hormones being out of whack, men with real high voices, etc., so
although it's unproductive biologically, it is a common condition.
They used to label it a psychiatric condition and decided it was not
caused by any mental disorder, but that it was caused by too many of
the other gender's hormones.
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The tendency appears to be genetic, at least in many cases. You get
the tell-tale markers such as a lisp and effeminate hand gestures. I
know, because my nephew is a homosexual. When he was an infant, my
brother and I would watch him run across the floor and shake our
heads. He's flap his arms like a bird's wings. He always lisped. We
didn't say anything about it, but we were both silently hoping the
signs wouldn't amount to anything ... but they did.
On the other hand, a predisposition is not a compulsion. It is an
inclination. That gets lost sight of these days, when everyone is
expected to immediately give in to their whims and impulses at the
drop of a hat, no matter what they may be. In many cases, the
predisposition to homosexuality is not all that strong, and it can
be resisted. And should be, where possible, since no good ever comes
of it.
-Al- |
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Qadosh Stephanos
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: Re: * ARE HOMOSEXUAL ACTS WRONG IF THEY'RE IN LOVE? * |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:05:12 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee
<lindagirl444@juno.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 19, 8:48 pm, Qadosh Stephanos <qadosh.stepha...@yahoo.ca
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee
lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:06 pm, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 11:44 am, Al Smith <inva...@address.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:21:32 GMT, "BRUCE" <blimeyTE...@StruthNO.com
wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:peo8a4h3i8uulb5e7ingp8hgabk9dauqio@4ax.com...
***SNIP***
Dude
Homosexuals are the new hate of the relgious right now that their past hates
of blacks and Asians are not acceptable. They now appeal to the predigous of
some to fire up against homosexuals
That is not accurate; homosexuals have been percecuted by Christianity
for centuries. Of course, then non-christians also strongly opposed
homosexuality. Aside from a relitively short time when Plato's insane
ideas festered in Greco-Roman culture, homosexuality has been hated by
most human cultures. Even many people who do not support percecuting
homosexuals are repulsed by the sight of two men kissing. many who
would never think of persecuting homosexuals know that it is
ridiculous for homosexuals to pretend to get married since marriage is
a religious institution and God forbids homosexual sex. Homosexuals
may be an easy target for hate mongers, but that does not mean that
homosexual sex is not wrong/evil. Homosexual sex is forbidden by God.
You really can't get around that just by pointing out the fact that
some christians don't seem to care about their own sins like adultery,
murder, idolatry, et cetera. I don't know if Dave was just hate
mongering. I honestly saw no reason to read his entire post when the
answer to the subject question is so simple: homosexual sex is always
an evil action.
All of human history indicates that homosexuality is not only a
perversion, but a perversion that has been almost universally
condemned. The tolerance of homosexuality in the modern West is a
very disturbing indicator of the quickening decline and decadence of
Western society.
-Al-
Biology argues against homosexuality as well, as it serves no purpose
whereas heterosexuality perpetuates the species. I don't hate
homosexuals though, and physical attacks on them should be labeled
'hate crimes' with the attendant harsher penalties, and discrimination
against them in matters of work, health, housing, etc. should be
illegal - criminally and civilly.
I just saw on the TV news how a doctor (pediatrician) had just lost a
lawsuit brought against him because he refused to treat a child who
had two 'moms' i.e. two homosexual women who acted as the child's
parents. Maybe 60 days in the county jail would be more persuasive
than just a lawsuit initiated at the expense of the people he
victimized.
Yes, you're right, biology is against the perpetuation of
homosexuality. Strangely enough, it has not died out, but seems to
have remained relatively constant as a percentage of the population
(although people squabble as to just what that percentage may be).
It is a puzzle how what is obviously counterproductive in a real
sense would continue to be perpetuated. The answer may be that
something else -- something useful -- is tied to homosexuality, and
when we get that useful thing, whatever it may be, we are forced,
genetically, to take homosexuality along with it.
I'm against any malice towards any homosexual, purely on the basis
of his or her homosexuality. Not only physical abuse and violence,
but also verbal abuse and intimidation of any kind, are to be
deplored. It's not the way good people behave. It is not Christian.
It's not polite to give someone a hard time over their sexuality.
On the other hand, I see no reason why homosexuality should be
actively supported by governments, the media, schools, or any other
official or semi-official institution or group.
-Al-
But I've known people whose homosexuality is obviously from their
hormones being out of whack, men with real high voices, etc., so
although it's unproductive biologically, it is a common condition.
They used to label it a psychiatric condition and decided it was not
caused by any mental disorder, but that it was caused by too many of
the other gender's hormones.
I've worked with heterosexual colleagues with real high voices! ;-)
Hi Qadosh,
I wondered where you'd been.
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Been pretend-flying for wife and children to show I'm totally gay. ;-)
| Quote: | That is true, high or low voices in men or women are not conclusive,
but I have seen gays who really seemed to be the opposite sex in many
ways.
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I waa thinking about attending Paul's Apostle Church to learn about
God. After all, Paul was an Apostle, right? I mean Paul is my hero.
I read all of his books. This guy Paul is so right on. Tomorrow, I'm
going to get a hair cut like Paul had, and I'm going to tell woman to
shut up and clean the house. I'm feeling good about Paul, he knew how
to control women. ;-)
| Quote: | No doubt, Dave is a bit disappointed to discover King James was gay.
LOL.
Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc... are a boys only member's club.
Paul told woman to shut up.
Mohammed covered them.
That is really bizarre. The next step would be to kill them all; but
then how would the species continue?
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They're gonna be cloned in animal farm, without any presence of God.
| Quote: | Buddha's obedience.
Put back those 10 commandments in the schools, especially the Sabbath!
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:25:09 -0400, Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote:
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ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Let me start this by saying that homosexuals and their
advocates try to claim that Christians spend their time
coming down on homosexuals, when there are many
other sins that we don't seem to spend that kind of
time on other sins.
Christians do spend an inordinate amount of time blasting
homosexuality, which only effects ten percent of humanity while at the
same time ignoring adultery which effects one hundred percent of
humanity.
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Those figures are wildly inaccurate.
Homosexuality effects 0% of people. Adultery effects some people but
much less than 100%. Do you really believe no children are born to
married couples?
| Quote: | That having been said, God said that homosexual sex is a sin. He gave
no conditions under which it is permissable. So, Yes, if two men
think that they love each other it is still a sin for them to have
sex.
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That is true. How many homosexuals have you killed as God commands?
| Quote: | Why do you feel a need to ask?
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Its a bit of a puzzle. God created humans in such a way that a certain
percentage would be homosexual then acts offended when they behave
according to the way he made them.
| Quote: | It is a sin to eat pork or shellfish or reptile or rat, and many more
Christians do that. Why not go for topics that would help more
people.
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God specified death for homosexuals, and people who pick up sticks
on Sunday.
| Quote: | ***SNIP***
That was way to long.
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Your to was one letter too short.
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swa@ozemail.com.au
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On Aug 20, 8:39 am, "Matt" <trdell1...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "s...@ozemail.com.au" <swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:c4be7ad7-5d6c-468a-a9ce-eec21975e1b6@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 swa...@ozemail.com.au
To all who have posted in this thread.
I have wakened a short time ago. My mind was thinking of a website of
which I taken a print-out. Not sure where it is, at present. But
searching through I have found it.
Is Christianity Fair?
johansens.us/sane/faith/fair.htm
On my monitor I clicked [I'm feeling lucky].
It is the only way it will come up first go on my monitor.
Hope it works that way on yours.
Otherwise you will need to scroll down through the websites that are
offered.
We cannot work our own way into heaven.
Salvation is the free, unmerited gift of God to all who, through
faith,
put their trust in Jesus Christ for His mercy. Praise the Lord!
Gladys Swager
Hi
Worked for me
http://www.johansens.us/sane/faith/fair.htm
Thanks
Another website you may find helpful Matt, is:- |
Exploring Christianity - BORN AGAIN
www.christianity.co.nz/born1.htm . Use [I'm feeling lucky]
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:35:36 -0700, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Sure does. Any idiot who brags about 'having sex with nearly FIFTY
different 'partners' HAS to be a sicko pervert.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: @Matt |
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In gratitude will I do good works.
Sure you will ---- by LYING about people, causing dissension, and
unrest. You phony ---------------
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© 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
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"<Kelly>" <316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 15, 4:14 pm, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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I don't know even ONE "pentecostal" " pastor" who reads Hebrew or
Greek.
All AoG colleges and universities require Hebrew and Greek studies for
those enrolled in theological and pastoral degree programs.
Wanna try again?
Chuck:
It just never stops with you, does it? Could you spin this any more
negative than you have?
Did John claim to know every AoG pastor? No. Are there sure to be some
AoG
ministers who, despite the requirements for graduating from an AoG
seminary,
cannot now read either Hebrew or Greek? Of course. My pastor graduated
from some seminary here in California, and was required to do a year of
Hebrew and a year of Greek, and he can't read either now.
My point was, and remains, that one can take a year or two of the
languages, and still not be able to pick up an Hebrew Old Testament
and read 10 chapters without helps. He can't pick up a Greek New
Testament and read 10 chapters-- let's say 1 John-- without helps.
Or one sentence, for that matter.
And-- again, Chuck, I'm very sorry to know that you're associated
with the AoG.
That's Jimmy Swaggart's church, right? That's Jim Bakker's church,
right?
"Not impressed."
I'm not associated with the AoG church, John.
Glad to hear that. Some of your comments suggested that you are
"pentecostal." I have no love, no admiration, no respect for Kenny
Copeland, Rod Parsley, Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Fred
Price, or any of that crowd.
As I've said, anyone who is a serious student of the Bible (NOT
someone who merely memorizes a group of "proof texts"), one is not a
"pentecostal."
I was simply pointing out
that a year of Hebrew taken 10 or 20 years ago is no indication of any
current ability to read Hebrew today,
and that is exactly what Kelly's
treatment of what you said depended on being true.
^ ^ ^ I frankly didn't understand that, due to the arrangement of
the words I "broke off."
I'm going to take a stab at "you meant she truly reaches WAY beyond
the available evidence." I agree whole-heartedly.
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She consistently assumes the worst of several possible inferences from
everything you say. That is what I meant.
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She's a manipulator and trickster. Neither is something that pleases
God.
The scholars I'm talking about, Dr Stanley, Dr Swindoll, Dr Ogilvie,
Dr Moody, Dr MacArthur, all scholars who are fluent in the languages,
and not a one of them is a pentecostal.
They know better. If you actually know the Bible, you aren't a
pretender.
So what difference does it make that, like EVERY OTHER major
denominational
seminary in the land, the AoG seminaries all require a year or two of
Hebrew
and a year or two of Greek? Does that tell us anything about the truth
or
falsehood of what John claimed? Of course not! Not, in any case, to
any
mind free of disease or defect. Evidently a category in which you still
don't belong.
I was ripping the AoG as being a bunch of phonies (in my opinion,
they are). Kelly is evidently AoG, which is simply one more reason I
give her NO credibility.
I didn't get the impression she was implying she is a member of AoG. In
fact, I can't imagine a church that would have her!
snort.
I can't imagine her being anything but "non-denominational" and
independent.
I was pointing at her pro-pentecostal sentiments.
"Balderdash!"
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I wasn't aware there were any AoG lesbians.
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A lesbian, Christian, pentecostal (chuckle), pastor.
If there are real sign gifts today, please take me there and show
me.
When did you quit walking by faith, John.
^ ^ ^ " What?" Where did you ever get that impression? I live each
day by faith. And if it hadn't been for doctors who CARED, who DONATED
their time and their resources, I'd be dead now.
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Part of your argument in this thread, to Roy and to me, that tongues have
ceased has been that if we can't show you the gift of tongues being
manifested today, then they aren't for today. You're basically making one
of your premises here "see is believing, and if I can't see it, then I won't
believe it". That's a "walking by sight, and not by faith" argument, John.
The skeptic uses the exact same premise to deny God exists at all. It's
simply not an argument you and I, as believers in Christ, have open to us.
| Quote: | (my heart condition, and the indicated therapy cost almost $1
Million.) That was money I didn't have.
I prayed, my wife (at the time) prayed, our church prayed, and the
drs at the UW Medical Center (the local research/teaching university)
agreed to do me "gratis."
Yes, I believe in faith. I and several family members have had
miraculous healings.
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Then you believe in the gifts of the Spirit being for today! Why do you
balk at tongues?
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BUT, none of us has ever "spoken in tongues."
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So? "Do all speak in tongues?" The rhetorical Pauline question whose
obvious answer is, no.
If not all speak in tongues, and you don't speak in tongues, nor does any of
your family, what's that supposed to prove?
| Quote: | Paul pointed out that
they ceased (with the other "sign gifts") in the 1st C
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Where, John? Where in the Pauline corpus does Paul even use the term "sign
gifts", much less say they ceased "in the 1st C"
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If Scripture says there are such
gifts given to the Church by the Holy Spirit,
Key word is "were." There WERE certain gifts given to the Early
Church. (if you read the right passages, it says the sign gifts were
given to the Apostles)
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However, if you read ALL the passages that speak about the gifts, and
particularly tongues, it says the gifts were given THROUGHOUT the Body of
Christ.
This is simply your opinion, John. You're entitled to it, but clearly I'm
entitled to mine too, as mine has MUCH more biblical data supporting it of
the two.
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In other words, God gave the Leadership something He didn't give the
Membership. > sign gifts.
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I got it.
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and further says the "gifts
and calling of God are without repentance", then...?
#1 If you read 1 Cor 12, it says that not all were given tongues.
Some were, not all.
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I've read it, and as I pointed out above, this is what keeps your never
having experienced it being any evidence it's ceased in the Church.
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of
all:
8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the
word of knowledge through the same Spirit,
9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the
same Spirit,
10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another
discerning of spirits, TO ANOTHER DIFFERENT KINDS OF TONGUES, to another the
interpretation of tongues.
11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each
one individually as He wills. 1 Cor 12:7-11 (emphasis added)
Now, you should notice with me that Paul puts "tongues" in the same list
with "healings", and "wisdom", and "faith".
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#2 If you read 1 Cor 13, Paul says (if you study it CAREFULLY), that
the sign gifts ENDED in the 1st C.
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If you study it carefully, you'll notice Paul is saying there that prophecy,
tongues, and knowledge will pass away, not in the 1st century ad, "But when
that which is perfect is come".
Has that which is perfect come, John? What is Paul referring to when he
says "that which is perfect"?
But let's set that question aside for the nounce, and just deal with what
Paul is saying will cease
whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues,
they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away" 1 Cor 13:8
Is knowledge gone, John? Seems to me "knowing" knowledge is gone is, in
fact, "knowledge", so that in knowing knowlege has ceased one knows it
hasn't ceased.. In short, it's self-refuting to say you know knowledge has
ceased; it's false on its face.
How about prophecy? Years after Paul wrote his first letter to the
Corinthians, he received a prophecy from a prophet named Agabus. John wrote
the entire book of Revelation as a vision, which is to say as a prophecy of
future events, and probably wrote it LONG after Paul and Peter were dead.
This wasn't a "sign" to the Church or anyone else. It was to give the
Church KNOWLEDGE about the future and the end of the ages.
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If you believe otherwise, I invite you to show me REAL sign gifts.
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As I said, this argument isn't open to either of us as believers in Christ.
What would you say to the skeptic who said to you, "If you believe that
Christ lived, died, and rose again, I invite you to show Him to me"?
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I've seen hundreds "speak in tongues." But it wasn't real, and it was
inappropriate.
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So have I. So what? I've seen hundreds of fraudlent healings; pretences at
wielding the discerning of spirits, the gift of knowledge, or
administration, teaching, preaching....you name the gift of the Spirit,
John, and I've seen someone either pretending to have it when they don't, or
abusing it when they do.
Again, so what? What does that prove about the gifts themselves? Does that
bind the Holy Spirit's hands so He can't give them to anyone anymore? When
have the existence of false teachers and false gospels EVER been any
evidence there were no true teachers and no true Gospel?
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I've actually heard Rod Parsley DEMAND that "everyone in the
sanctuary should be praying in tongues at the same time."
^ ^ ^That's not scriptural.
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I agree. It's no more scriptural than the preacher who DEMANDS everyone
listening to him contribute to his ministry, and it is, I take it, beyond
dispute between us that there are LOTS of false preachers who make this
demand on radio, television, and from the pulpit. Is that any evidence we
are not to contribute to the ministry that ministers to our spiritual needs?
Can I argue this fact is my justification for not contributing to my church?
I don't think so!
So then neither can you use this argument as you are here: to say tongues
have ceased.
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And I see NO Instance whatever that anyone ever "fell down in the
Spirit."
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There's one, but it's when Jesus is in the Garden of Olives the night before
His crucifixion, and says to Judas and the Temple Guard he brought with him
to arrest Jesus, "I am he". They all fell down in the Spirit at His words.
Rather the opposite of what being "slain in the Spirit" is supposed to be.
For those men were knocked down by a CONFLICT of their spirit with the Holy
Spirit, not a filling by the Holy Spirit!
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They do today because it's EXPECTED.
I've seen the truly miraculous enough to not need to see / or do the
fake stuff.
If you are hung up in false "sign gifts", I am very sorry to hear
that.
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