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Jimmy Alpha · Guest

Pat H wrote:

The Chief Instigator · Guest

On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 03:12:37 -0600, Ike8 <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:

(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) · Guest

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If we believe in what this country was founded on: Life, Liberty, and
the Pursuit of Happiness. Free from Religious Persecution (worked well for
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-- Daved J.W., 8-4-08

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duke · Guest

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:12:39 -0500, Matt Silberstein
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) · Guest

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So let's put our heads together and share strategies and tactics
for getting that done!

Here are some good talking points to start things off! ---

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-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)

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http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
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Matt Silberstein · Guest

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:35:53 -0600, in alt.atheism , duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> in <alp8j49r5gb2nst2naaqekae2iqpuevq82@4ax.com>
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Pat H · Guest

(Pat H) wrote:
Pat's preaching:
The Way To Heaven, according to the Bible

From: duckgumbo32@cox.net (duke)
There's only one way. Jesus and Jesus alone will tell you.
(Pat H) wrote:
Does that mean to you everything from Acts to Revelation is for nothing?
Anyone have the wisdom to discuss these Revelation Scrptures with me?

From: duckgumbo32@cox.net (duke)
Revelation is a dream by John on the Island of Patmos. It is a dream
about the fall of the Roman Empire and the marriage feast of the Lamb of
God in heaven.

Pat:
Why don't you answer the question and do the dicussion that I asked for?
Hello? Are you so full of yourelf that you have to ramble on without
answering up and cut off God's word because you are a phony Christian
not into the Bible Scriptures?

Revelation 2:5-7 - "Remember therefore from where you have fallen;
repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and
remove your lampstand from its place -- unless you repent... He who has
an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who
overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the
midst of the Paradise of God." ~ Note: Surely, this is a threat from
Christ to His church with the words or else. The word fallen also means
to lose it, to perish, be without the effect of the divine promise of
salvation. That means they lost their salvation. The word repent means
to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of
one's past sins. They had to repent of the sin that made them fall. The
word works also means an act, deed, thing done. They had to do the
things they did when they were saved before they fell. The word overcome
also means to conquer, of Christians that hold fast their faith even
unto death against the power of their foes, and temptations and
persecutions. They had to conquer the sin they had been tempted by that
made them lose their salvation. This is the case for all backsliders.
I've seen someone write this is about the church ceasing to exist, but
since the word fallen involves losing salvation, that would mean God was
telling the entire church that they all lost salvation. Plus the words
"He who has an ear, let him hear" makes this individually, as does "To
him who overcomes." That proves this is not collectively of the entire
church having the danger to be removed.

Revelation 2:10,11 - "Do not fear any of those things which you are
about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into
prison, that you may be tested... Be faithful until death, and I will
give you the crown of life. He who has an ear, let him hear what the
Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the
second death." ~ Note: Christ tells us to be faithful until death then
we will be given the crown of life; and if we overcome the testing we
won't be hurt by the second death. If you have an ear to hear, you know
that this means that if we don't remain faithful and don't overcome the
testing, then we won't get the crown of life and we will be hurt by the
second death. Clearly, we have to be faithful all the way until we die.
We must hold onto our faith even unto death, or else we will be hurt by
the second death, which is the lake of fire.

Revelation 3:1-5 - ..."I know your works, that you have a name that you
are alive, but you are dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things
which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works
perfect before My God. Remember therefore how you have received and
heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will
come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come
upon you. Nevertheless you have a few names in Sardis who have not
defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they
are worthy. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I
will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his
name before My Father and before His angels." ~ Note: These people had
the name of being a Christian thinking they had eternal life, but they
had become spiritually dead. Some had the chance to live because He says
they were only ready to die. The term "ready to die" is of eternal
death. They are subject to eternal misery in hell. They were not living
the life of how they first received the word. They had defiled their
garments (by sin) and needed to overcome this to be worthy enough to
eventually walk with Christ in white garments; or else He will blot out
their name from the Book of Life. The word "defiled" is used in the NT
of those who have not kept themselves pure from the defilement of sin,
who have soiled themselves by fornication and adultery. You must
overcome and conquer sin if you fell back into the bondage of it. Repent
and turn back to God for help.

BTW, Revelation 13:8 proves that not everyone's name gets started in the
Book of Life. Some people say everyone starts in the Book of Life to
make it look like this Scripture above doesn't mean a loss of salvation
from someone who was saved. But only saved people get their names
written in the Book of Life. So this does mean saved people can get
their names blotted out by God from the Book of Life. Then they would no
longer be saved.

Revelation 3:16 - "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot
nor cold, I will vomit you out of My mouth." ~ Note: Christ wants to
vomit these believers out of His mouth. Then they would not be in Christ
anymore. In very vivid terms, the Lord rejects the half-hearted efforts
of self-satisfied Christians. If someone has become wealthy and thinks
they have need of nothing (Rev.3:17), they just might get vomitted out.
The word "lukewarm" is of the condition of the soul wretchedly
fluctuating between a torpor (a state of being inactive, sluggishness)
and a fervour (great warmth of emotion, zeal) of love. If we really love
God, we will obey and keep His word (John 14:21,23).

Revelation 22:19 - and if anyone takes away from the words of the book
of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life,
from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
~ Note: Clearly this is saying that God will take away the eternal life
that someone thinks they have, and also their part in heaven (the holy
city) will be taken away, and also the final redemption in Revelation
will be taken away. They all mean the same thing: "Once Saved, Always
Saved" IS WRONG.

Pat's preaching:

The Way To Heaven, according to the Bible

http://www.geocities.com/1christlover

"Once Saved, Always Saved" IS WRONG

http://www.geocities.com/1christlover/OSAS-.html

Pat H · Guest

From: cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com (Stormin Mormon)
Far as we know, no relation. I joke about it, now and again. But, no.
And you spelled Brigham correctly.

Pat:
Oh, well. I liked Steve play quarterback, though.

SM:
I've always (even before I was really interested in religion) had a
problem with the OSAS doctrine. To my mortal understanding, it sounded
like a license to sin. Since you're saved, it no longer matters if you
sin. All that is forgiven. Much like the Catholic indulgences of
centuries ago.

Pat:
Yes, OSAS is a license to sin doctrine. But for the Christian who falls
back into the practice of sin it will be a worse punishment in hell than
if that person never got saved to begin with. 2 Peter 2:20,21 proves
that and Luke 12:45,46 below does too.

SM:
The LDS church, I can't remember them teaching for or against OSAS by
name. However, at least one of Christ's original Apostles fell from
grace. That would be Judas, who sold the Lord for thirty pieces of
silver, and then hanged himself in a fallen state. You'd think the
original Apostles would have been OSAS if the doctrine exists.

Pat:
Judas may be considered to never been saved because he was a thief who
stole out of the money box. But Peter was in danger and Jesus taught
all these Gospel Scriptures that are against OSAS:

Matthew 24:13 - "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." ~ Note:
Part of the meaning of the word saved, from the Greek word sozo, is to
deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgement. The word that
Jesus Christ spoke will judge in the last day (John 12:4 Cool

. This being
saved is clearly conditional. We must endure to the end. To endure means
to remain, not to recede or flee, to preserve under misfortunes and
trials, to hold fast to one's faith in Christ, to bear bravely and
calmly ill treatments. It's the same word here: If we endure, we shall
also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us - 2 Timothy
2:12. We must endure through whatever comes our way all the way until we
die with Him in our lives, then we will live and reign with Him. If we
wind up denying Him before the time of our death, you can't get around
the word of God here, He will deny us.

Matthew 24:24,25 - "For false christs and false prophets will rise and
show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
See, I have told you beforehand." ~ Note: The word deceive also means to
cause to stray, lead aside from the right way, to sever or fall away
from the truth, to be led away into error and sin. That is definitely
the loss of salvation because it means to be severed or fallen away from
the truth. They will stray and be led aside from the right way. They
will be led away into error and sin. We have no license to fall back
into the bondage of sin again. Some people want to think this Scripture
means that it is not possible when He said "if possible," but Christ
would not have said this just to be playing games with us by there being
no way it can happen. The word for beforehand also means to say before
the event: prophecies. This was Christ telling us that it would happen.
So don't be deceived that you can't be deceived, or then you may wind up
one of those who do in fact get deceived.

Luke 12:45,46 - "But if that servant says in his heart, 'My master is
delaying his coming,' and begins to beat the male and female servants,
and to eat and drink and be drunk, the master of that servant will come
on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not
aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the
unbelievers." ~ Note: Someone can be a servant of Christ then start the
practice of sin again and not be ready for eternal life when Christ
comes back. This person will go where the unbelievers go. Verses 47 and
48 prove there will be varying degrees of punishment in hell. It will be
worse for the ones who lose their salvation. 2 Peter 2:20,21 also proves
this.

THE PARABLE of THE SOWER

Luke 8:5-8 - Jesus said, "A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he
sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds
of the air devoured it. Some fell on rock, and as soon as it sprang up,
it withered away because it lacked moisture. And some fell among thorns,
and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it. But others fell on good
ground, sprang up, and yielded a crop a hundredfold." When He had said
these things He cried, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!" ~ Note:
If you can hear then you ought to know that in order for someone to
wither away they had to once have a good life in the body of Christ.
Someone can't wither away if they were never saved to begin with,
because if they were never saved then they never had life that could
wither away.

JESUS then explained THE PARABLE of THE SOWER

Luke 8:11-15 - Jesus said, "Now the parable is this: The seed is the
word of God. Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil
comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should
believe and be saved (Note: These people do not become believers after
they hear the word of God, but the others next do believe and get born
again, but they lose their life in Christ and fall away because of sin).
But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word
with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while (Note: For a
time they were born-again believers. It's the common word for believe,
pisteuo. They had saving faith. They had the conviction and trust to
which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative of law
and soul. That is what to believe means. In other words, they had the
power of God within them to drive them to have a distinctively superior
advantage of having their souls obey His moral law, but they only did it
for a while.) and in time of temptation fall away (Note: They had been
set free from sin, but they didn't resist the temptation when they were
enticed to sin. The word for fall away means they depart, desert,
withdraw, fall away, whichever definition you choose to use, from having
life in Christ. They became faithless. They got that way because they
fell for the temptation of sin.)" The people who say that the ones who
fall away were not real believers contradict God's word, because it
clearly says they believed for a while. Plus you can't fall away from
something if you were never with it to begin with.

"Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have
heard, go out and they are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of
life, and bring no fruit to maturity." ~ Note: To go out also means to
pursue the journey on which one has entered. They had entered into a
life with Christ; but while seeking where that life would lead them,
their fruit did not mature. They got choked. It means to choke utterly
the seed of the divine word sown in the mind. Riches (wealth, abundance
of external possessions) and pleasures (lust) is what caused it. I will
show you later that you need to bear good fruit.

"But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard
the word with a noble and good heart, keep it (Note: The word for keep
means hold fast, keep, stay in regards to from going away. This is our
personal responsibility to continue to believe the word of God and to
stay faithful to Him) and bear fruit with patience." ~ Note: The word
for patience more correctly means enduring, perseverance, the
characteristic of a man who is not swerved from his deliberate purpose
and his loyalty to faith and piety by even the greatest trials and
sufferings. To be saved at the end, you must persevere while bearing
good fruit. Jesus made it clear that a true believer produces good
fruit, and that the human will is involved in remaining a believer,
since He says we must keep it and persevere. Christ proves here that no
one is eternally secure no matter what they do.

TASTELESS SALT is WORTHLESS

Luke 14:34,35 - Jesus said, "Salt is good; but if the salt has lost its
flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is neither fit for the land nor for
the dunghill, but men throw it out. He who has ears to hear, let him
hear!" ~ Note: Jesus' point is that the same is true of a saltless
disciple. He will be thrown out. The word for salt also means wisdom and
grace exhibited in speech. The word for lost its flavor also means to be
foolish, to make flat and tasteless. So watch what you say. Don't be
foolish and tasteless in what you say, have grace in your speech. ~ I've
seen it denied that this has anything to do about how we talk, but look
at this other Scripture with the same Greek word in it, and you will see
that is IS about what we say. ~ Colossians 4:6 - Let your speech always
be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to
answer each one. ~ That clearly proves salt means having grace in your
speech. The way we talk can make us lose our salvation.

THE PARABLE of THE LOST SON

Luke 15:13 - Jesus said, "And not many days after, the younger son
gathered all together, journeyed to a far country, and there wasted his
possessions with prodigal living." ~ Note: The verb for wasted means to
scatter abroad, disperse. So this is doing something like what we call
"throw your money away." The word for prodigal means riotous,
dissolutely, profligately. These words mean immoral, corrupt, extremely
wasteful, recklessly extravagant. So the son took his inheritance and
squandered it all away living a recklessly extravagant lifestyle. But
when he came to his senses (came to himself in 15:17. It doesn't mean
that the Holy Spirit convicted him. He had to personally choose what to
do), repented, and turned back to his father, he said this...

Luke 15:21 - "And the son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against
heaven and in your sight, and am no longer worthy to be called your
son." ~ Note: This guy knew he fell into the bondage of sin and was no
longer considered worthy to be a child of God, but his father said...

Luke 15:24 - "'for this my son was dead and is alive again; he was lost
and is found.' And they began to be merry." ~ Note: The word for dead
here means spiritually dead, destitute of a life that recognises and is
devoted to God because given up to trespasses and sins. The word for
alive again here means to be restored to a correct life, of one who
returns to a better moral state. The words restored and returns ("alive
again") are actions of things that once had it, then did not have it,
then had it again. The words dead and alive again clearly mean that the
son had lost his salvation but later got it back. You probably know that
the words lost and found are about someone who is or is not going to
heaven. Clearly, this parable explains that someone can be a child of
God, then leave God and start the practice of sin, and become dead and
lose their fellowship with God, because God just said that "he was
lost." Unless, of course, one comes to their senses, repents, and turns
back to God like I did after I backslid and in the way it is portrayed
in this parable. Then they will be "alive again." But just because this
parable has a happy ending, it doesn't mean that it always turns out
this way. The Scriptures I have on my site will prove this; but first,
another happy ending...

Luke 22:31,32 - And the Lord said, "Simon, Simon! (Peter) Indeed, Satan
has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat (Note: The word for
sift means by inward agitation to try one's faith to the verge of
overthrow. You see, Satan can try to get you to overthrow your faith).
But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail (Note: I see
the Lord implying that it is possible that our faith could fail. If that
were to happen, then we would no longer have the condition to receive
grace, and our relationship with God would cease); and when you have
returned to Me (Note: The word for returned means turn again, turn back,
come back in regards to the love and obedience of God. That's pretty
simple to understand. It is possible to stop obeying God. Then we would
need to turn back to Him.), strengthen your brethren." ~ Note: Peter was
dangerously close to having his faith failing when he denied that he
knew Jesus 3 times. This was when Satan was sifting him. It is a good
thing Jesus prayed for him so that he did not totally abandon Jesus.
Since Peter was in danger of his faith failing, we should also be aware
of this possibility. I don't see how anyone who studies the bible can
believe in "Once Saved, Always Saved."

THE VINE & THE BRANCHES

John 15:1,2 - Jesus said, "I am the true vine, and My Father is the
vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes
away..." ~ Note: This is someone in Christ who gets taken away because
they did not bear fruit. The word for fruit means that which originates
or comes from something, an effect, result; or, work, act, deed; or,
praises which are presented to God as a thank offering. This is
obviously something a servant of God personally needs to have or else
God will take that person away. The word for takes away here means to
take off or away what is attached to anything; to remove; to take from
among the living; cause to cease. So this Scripture is about God
removing someone from being in Christ. I've seen some preachers want to
say it means to lift up, but that doesn't fit the context for it to mean
that here. To lift up is when you raise your hand upwards, or to raise
stones from the ground, or to draw up a fish. None of those meanings
apply here, and the context of 15:6 below proves the definitions I use
are right and that it is about losing salvation.

John 15:6 - Jesus said, "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out
as a branch and is withered (Note: in order to be cast out, one must
first be in Christ); and they gather them and throw them into the fire,
and they are burned." ~ Note: The word for abide also means remain,
continue, endure, not to depart, to continue to be present, to remain as
one, not to become another or different. Surely, this is a warning to
stay in Christ, which means it's possible to not do so. To be thrown
into the fire and burned is clearly about God casting someone to hell
where they will be consumed with fire. This will happen to a former
branch in Christ. This is a clear teaching of Jesus that it is necessary
for us believers to continue to walk in the sanctification given us at
the new birth. We must keep believing and obeying His word (John
15:9,10), or we chose to stop our relationship with Him. That would be
some of us not bearing fruit, which stems from not obeying Him, that
causes some to be cast out.

Pat's preaching:

The Way To Heaven, according to the Bible

http://www.geocities.com/1christlover

"Once Saved, Always Saved" IS WRONG

http://www.geocities.com/1christlover/OSAS-.html

Stormin Mormon · Guest

Humor: A usage of words, where one person attempts to make the other one
laugh.

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Christopher A. Young
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"Pat H" <thewaytoheaven@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28882-4933F5B1-3664@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net...
From: cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com (Stormin Mormon)
You know... break in and steal the TV.

Pat:
Thieves will not inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor. 6:9,10)

Stormin Mormon · Guest

"Pat H" <thewaytoheaven@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28882-49349151-3813@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net...
From: cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com (Stormin Mormon)
Far as we know, no relation. I joke about it, now and again. But, no.
And you spelled Brigham correctly.

Pat:
Oh, well. I liked Steve play quarterback, though.

SM: Thanks.

SM:
I've always (even before I was really interested in religion) had a
problem with the OSAS doctrine. To my mortal understanding, it sounded
like a license to sin. Since you're saved, it no longer matters if you
sin. All that is forgiven. Much like the Catholic indulgences of
centuries ago.

Pat:
Yes, OSAS is a license to sin doctrine. But for the Christian who falls
back into the practice of sin it will be a worse punishment in hell than
if that person never got saved to begin with. 2 Peter 2:20,21 proves
that and Luke 12:45,46 below does too.

SM: I'm agreeing with you there. People who sin deliberately, after
learninig the gospel, are worse off.

SM:
The LDS church, I can't remember them teaching for or against OSAS by
name. However, at least one of Christ's original Apostles fell from
grace. That would be Judas, who sold the Lord for thirty pieces of
silver, and then hanged himself in a fallen state. You'd think the
original Apostles would have been OSAS if the doctrine exists.

Pat:
Judas may be considered to never been saved because he was a thief who
stole out of the money box. But Peter was in danger and Jesus taught
all these Gospel Scriptures that are against OSAS:

SM: Without getting into the question of "what is saved", Judas walked,
talked, ate, slept in the presence of the Lord. He had little excuse of "not
knowing" what the gospel was.

Stormin Mormon · Guest

Polished and practiced speech doesn't mean that a speaker is speaking the
truth. Or that he has wisdom.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Why shoud we listen to your prattle when your command of the English
language is so poor and you will not discuss my questions?

Great Sage Itchy · Guest

In article <011220081148189251%itchy@itchyandscratchy.com>, Great Sage
Itchy <itchy@itchyandscratchy.com> wrote:

(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) · Guest

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:29:09 -0600,
"Ike7" <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:

bob young · Guest

Ike8 wrote:

Lars Eighner · Guest

In our last episode, <ch3gi4pra025h5ka565ris74ovq599hjum@4ax.com>, the
lovely and talented duke broadcast on alt.atheism:


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