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Fred Stone wrote:
| Quote: | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:jeiji49o2h5d7i3p9km586gkadcf3l5ugv@4ax.com:
On 22 Nov 2008 21:36:20 GMT, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:16:01 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2008 14:58:37 GMT, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:53:11 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net
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On 21 Nov 2008 21:20:10 GMT, The Chief Instigator <patrick@io.com
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:56:14 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net
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On 21 Nov 2008 04:45:28 GMT, The Chief Instigator
patrick@io.com> wrote:
No, no, no - not a copy, but a vault original. You should
read before you post.
You'll be interested to know that such announcements can only
be published with a valid certificate.
In other words, stop lying, sack of shit.
I'm just a smiling and a waiting. Heeheeheeheeheehee.
...and when your fantasy gets machine-gunned down, what lies
will you make up to distract the rest of us, Arrogant Asshole
Earl Weber?
Here you go, west loop.
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=041441&
From=News
What part of "Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice
Souter" do you refuse to understand?
None - suit set aside. SCOTUS still requires vault copy of birth
certificate by 12/01/08. If he doesn't or can't, the fun starts.
Reality doesn't care about your delusions, Earl.
You starting to be as meaningless as ray fishboy.
Get it yet, west loop. Or is the piggy farm smell still up your
nose?
Never was, since I don't live in your neighborhood.
But the piggy farm is right there is west Houston.
You're doing a very good job of inducing complete strangers to rejoice
that you're dead, Earl.
What's they're laughing at is that I'm still your intellectual master.
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You call yourself a 'master' yet you cannot differentiate between
superstition and reality.
what a joke
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duke
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Shop HERE to Support the MOST INTERESTING Television Sho |
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:34:50 GMT, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) NO FACTS Support
RRR Cult's Hate-Agendas! " <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
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5. GlaxoSmithKline Holdings (Americas) Inc.
[Brands include: Beano, Lowerthepain.com, Os-Cal,
Nicoderm, Sensodyne, Valtrex, Advair, Aquafresh,
and Myalli.com]
6. Reckitt Benckiser, Inc.
[Brand: Delsym]
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So long, target. Back to Walmart.
| Quote: | 8. Kohl’s Corporation
9. Verizon Communications, Inc.
10. Toyota Motor North America.
These are companies that hateful and repressive RRR Cultists
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-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
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To REMOVE "In God We Trust" from Currency
If we believe in what this country was founded on: Life, Liberty, and
the Pursuit of Happiness. Free from Religious Persecution (worked well for
the Witches, NOT) and that Government & Religion should not mix - then
favoring one religion over another in government should not be tolerated.
In God We Trust should be taken off any newly minted money and "Under
God" should be taken out of the Pledge. I don't see the need to promote
my religion over others. No one knows whose religion is right or wrong.
We have no right to force our believes on others. So to promote religious
freedom the government should remain neutral. Then we can promote our
beliefs in our homes and the way we live our lives. Because some day your
religion (May be popular now) may cause you to be persecuted in the fut-
ure. Just look at history -- the Pagans & Christians, Africans & Muslims.
Since history does repeat it self, maybe we can learn something from the
past and preserve religious freedom by not forcing it on others. As many
countries still do today.
-- Daved J.W., 8-4-08
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: You got my answer, ph "How do I get to Heaven?" - Duke answ |
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:22:25 -0800, thewaytoheaven@webtv.net (Pat H) wrote:
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Pat's preaching:
The Way To Heaven, according to the Bible
From: duckgumbo32@cox.net (duke)
There's only one way. Jesus and Jesus alone will tell you.
(Pat H) wrote:
Does that mean to you everything from Acts to Revelation is for nothing?
Anyone have the wisdom to discuss these Revelation Scrptures with me?
From: duckgumbo32@cox.net (duke)
Revelation is a dream by John on the Island of Patmos. It is a dream
about the fall of the Roman Empire and the marriage feast of the Lamb of
God in heaven.
Pat:
Why don't you answer the question and do the dicussion that I asked for?
Hello? Are you so full of yourelf that you have to ramble on without
answering up and cut off God's word because you are a phony Christian
not into the Bible Scriptures?
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I told you already.
John 14:6 (New International Version)
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the
Father except through me.
Jesus and only Jesus decides, and Mat 7:21 lays it out for you. You do know
what Mat 7:21 says, don't you?
It says "he who does my Father's will". And God said "love one another as I
have loved you".
Now you go read the Gospels, the words of the Lord.
The Dukester, American-American
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Baptists - Duke is just like you |
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:53:04 -0800, thewaytoheaven@webtv.net (Pat H) wrote:
| Quote: | "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Why shoud we listen to your prattle when your command of the English
language is so poor and you will not discuss my questions?
From: duckgumbo32@cox.net (duke)
Correction - ANYBODY'S questions and challenges.
Pat:
You are just another person who lies like the devil.
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The Catholic Church is waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy more knowledgeable than you, ph.
John 14:6 (New International Version)
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the
Father except through me.
The Dukester, American-American
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: Worst maker = path |
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:38:14 -0800, thewaytoheaven@webtv.net (Pat H) wrote:
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I made weapons for SEA, et al, just exactly as my country directed me to
do. What specifically were my duties is not for you to know.
Pat H wrote:
You weren't serving God doing that. You were serving sin, the sin of
being "inventors of evil things" found in this Scripture:
From: duckgumbo32@cox.net (duke)
I was serving my country just as the religious do that serve in military
units and under fire.
Better luck next time, ph.
Pat:
I don't need luck. I have the word of God against you.
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Go tell your local policeman to turn in his gun. If someone attacks you, you
don't want the police to hurt him.
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•R. L. Measures
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Shop HERE to Support the MOST INTERESTING Television Sho |
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In article <c2caj4huvrs20k5hbmdrc28mkg6ehprt72@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:34:50 GMT, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) NO FACTS Support
RRR Cult's Hate-Agendas! " <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Shop HERE to Support the MOST INTERESTING Television Shows! --
1. General Motors Corporation
2. Nissan North America, Inc.
3. L’Oreal USA, Inc.
4. Pepsi-Cola North America
5. GlaxoSmithKline Holdings (Americas) Inc.
[Brands include: Beano, Lowerthepain.com, Os-Cal,
Nicoderm, Sensodyne, Valtrex, Advair, Aquafresh,
and Myalli.com]
6. Reckitt Benckiser, Inc.
[Brand: Delsym]
7. Target Corporation
So long, target. Back to Walmart.
• Duke -- Walmart sells condoms, a for damn sure, one-way ticket to Hell. |
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Pat H
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Jesus' Perspective On Sola Fide - Baptists? Discuss Scr |
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From: saints@nettally.com (Carl)
...No doctrine is more important to evangelical theology than the
doctrine of justification by faith alone-the Reformation principle of
sola fide.
Pat:
Even if it were true that we are saved by faith alone, you can still
lose salvation because all 7 passages of these Scriptures explain that
you can stop having faith:
Colossians 1:22,23 - ...to present you holy, and blameless, and above
reproach in His sight -- if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded
and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel... ~
Note: This is conditional with the phrase IF indeed you continue. The
word for continue also means to stay at or with, to tarry still, still
to abide, remain, to persevere. This Scripture implies that one can stop
having faith and move away from the truth of God's word. Don't stop!
Stay strong in the faith. It is our responsibility to remain abiding in
Christ.
1 Thessalonians 3:5 - For this reason, when I could no longer endure it,
I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted
you, and our labor might be in vain. ~ Note: The word for endure is
forbear in the KJV. It also means to cover over with silence, to keep
secret, to hide, conceal (of the errors and faults of others). So Paul
couldn't keep quiet any longer. He had to ask them about their faith.
The word for tempter and tempted also means to try or test one's faith,
virtue, character, by enticement to sin. I know God is not playing games
with us by putting this in His word if it can never really happen. I
also know through experience, and because it is right there in His word.
1 Timothy 1:5-7 - ... sincere faith, from which some, having strayed,
have turned aside to idle talk, desiring to be teachers of the law,
understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm. ~
Note: That clearly says some have strayed from sincere faith. The word
for strayed here, I use the NKJV, is swerved in the KJV. It also means
err, to deviate from, miss (the mark). So these people deviated from
sincere faith. You must not do that. You must keep the faith!
1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some
will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and
doctrines of demons. ~ Note: Paul sounds like he's really trying to get
the point accross by stating "the Spirit expressly says." With this kind
of language, we better pay attention. The word for giving heed also
means to turn the mind to, give attention to, to apply one's self to, to
devote thought and effort to. So don't give much attention to people who
tell you that you can not lose your salvation. People who are devoted to
teaching the OSAS false doctrine have definitely given heed to deceiving
spirits. They paid attention to misleading, corrupted, deceiving spirits
and now they may be departed from the faith. The word for depart also
means to desert, to fall away, become faithless, to withdraw one's self
from. Either way that you look at it they stop having faith. So be
careful of deceiving spirits and keep the faith. Real faith that is, not
one of an imposter.
1 Timothy 5:12 - Having condemnation because they have cast off their
first faith. ~ Note: The word for cast off also means despise, reject,
bring to nothing, to do away with, to set aside, disregard, nullify,
make void. Clearly, their faith is no good anymore, and they will be
condemned at the last day. These people become spiritually dead. I
suggest that you study the word of God hard to make sure that your life
lines up with His word. I still do it often, and I will continue to do
so. I love reading the Bible and being taught the ways of God.
1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil,
for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and
pierced themselves through with many sorrows. ~ Note: The word strayed
in the KJV is erred. It also means seduce, to lead away from the truth
to error. Surely, the love of money can seduce a person and make them
lose faith that they once had. The word for from also means out of, off,
of separation, of departing, of fleeing, of any kind of separation of
one thing from another by which the union of fellowship of the two is
destroyed. Clearly, this is strong proof that someone can destroy their
salvation. I don't think money in and of itself is a problem if you are
not selfish and helping people with it, but the love of money that makes
one greedy is.
1 Timothy 6:20,21 - O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust,
avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is
falsely called knowledge -- by professing it some have strayed
concerning the faith. ~ Note: We see that what a person says can make
them stray concerning the faith. The word Guard is keep in the KJV. It
also means observe, beware, to guard a person (or thing) that he may
remain safe, to keep from being snatched away (I explain John 10:29 in
another page), preserve safe and unimpaired, to guard from being lost or
perishing. Clearly, this is something that we have to do. The Lord
doesn't do it for us. When we are told to do something, it implies the
possibility of us not doing it. The word for idle babblings also means
empty discussion, discussion of vain and useless matters. The word for
contradictions also means opposition, that which is opposed. The word
for knowledge also means science, knowledge signified in general
intelligence, understanding, the general knowledge of Christian
religion, the deeper more perfect and enlarged knowledge of this
religion esp. of things lawful and unlawful for Christians, moral wisdom
such as seen in right living. So the "O.S.A.S." false doctrine, which
opposes the knowledge of moral wisdom in God's word because it says you
are eternally secure no matter what, definitely fits into being against
this category and some "have strayed concerning the faith" because of
that alone.
Pat's preaching:
The Way To Heaven, according to the Bible
http://www.geocities.com/1christlover
"Once Saved, Always Saved" IS WRONG
http://www.geocities.com/1christlover/OSAS-.html |
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From: saints@nettally.com (Carl)
The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, Having Been Given By
Inspiration of God, Are the All-Sufficient and Only Rule of Faith and
Practice, and Judge of Controversies.
Pat:
Then why do some Baptists deny these:
Romans 11:17-22 - And if some of the branches were broken off, and you,
being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them
became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not
boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do
not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then,
"Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." Well said.
Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not
be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He
may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity
of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you
continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. ~ Note:
That, my friend, is conditional. I suggest that you continue in His
goodness that led you to repentance (Rom. 2:4), and set you free from
the bondage of sin (Rom.6:16-22); or else God just might cut you off
from being in Christ. This passage shows the Christian's responsibility
to remain in the Lord's goodness by standing by faith. You stand by
faith certainly implies willful cooperation with God.
1 Corinthians 3:16,17 - Do you not know that you are the temple of God
and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple
of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which
temple you are. ~ Note: The word temple is a metaphor. It means the
spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by
and in Christ. So ourselves are the temple with the Holy Spirit dwelling
in us. To defile the temple means to lead away from the state of
holiness in which you ought to abide. Then God will destroy you and you
will perish. Some people want to think the word temple here is only
about a church building. But the truth is that the word temple refers to
the individual believer just like in 1 Corinthians 6:19. God does not
destroy and to make perish a church building. The word states God will
destroy him, not it. What, you think God is going to make the building
catch on fire and burn it down to destroy it? No way is this about a
building. It is about each of our own individual spiritual lives that
God can make perish.
1 Corinthians 9:27 - But I discipline my body and bring it into
subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become
disqualified. ~ Note: Paul was talking about being disqualified to
receive the prize of the imperishable crown (received in eternal life)
as the 2 previous verses in the Bible explain. Instead of disqualified
in the NKJV, the KJV has castaway. It also means reprobate, rejected,
not standing the test, not approved, that which does not prove itself
such as it ought. Other times the word (the Greek word adokimos) is used
in the NT, it's talking about the lost (2 Cor. 13:5-7 , 2 Tim. 3:8 ,
Titus 1:16). So since Paul was aware of the danger of not being approved
and becoming lost, we also should be careful. Paul was being careful by
when he disciplined himself and brought his body into subjection. That
means he made himself to be a slave subject to stern and rigid
discipline.
1 Corinthians 10:1-12 - ... I do not want you to be unaware that all our
fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea... and all
drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock
that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. But with most of them God
was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not
lust after evil things as they also lusted. And do not become idolaters
as were some of them. As it is written, "The people sat down to eat and
drink, and rose up to play." Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as
some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; nor let us
tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by
serpents; nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were
destroyed by the destroyer. Now all these things happened to them as
examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends
of the ages have come. Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed
lest he fall. ~ Note: The word for fall also means to fall under
judgment, come under condemnation, to fall out, to fall from i.e. perish
or be lost, to fall from a state of uprightness, come to an end,
disappear, cease. That's definitely a loss of salvation.
1 Corinthians 11:31,32 - For if we would judge ourselves, we would not
be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we
may not be condemned with the world. ~ Note: To judge ourselves also
means to be at variance with one's self, hesitate, doubt. So think about
it and be careful of what you do. The word for chastened also means to
punish in order to correct by the afflictions of evils and calamities.
So if life seems a misery and you're going through extreme misfortune
that brought great loss and sorrow, then it might be God at work causing
that so you don't lose your salvation. The word for condemned also means
to be given judgment against, damned. Surely that means God corrects and
punishes us so that we don't go to hell with the lost people. The word
world here also means the ungodly multitude, the whole mass of men
alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ. So
that proves this passage of Scripture applies only to saved people and
not the lost people as well. God does this for our betterment so that we
don't become lost.
If hard times make you depressed knowing the previous Scripture should
give some relief because we know its for the good. Here's some more good
news: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father
of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our
tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any
trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God -
2 Cor. 1:3,4. Comforts also means to encourage, strengthen. The word
tribulation here also means oppression, affliction, distress, burden.
For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also
abounds through Christ - 2 Cor. 1:5. Sufferings also means misfortune,
calamity, evil, affliction. So that's just like what the chastening of
the Lord is in 1 Cor. 11:32. Consolation also means exhortation,
admonition, encouragement, comfort or refreshment. So be of good cheer
because God will comfort us even though life may be tough. ~ Now if we
are afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is
effective for enduring the same sufferings which we also suffer. Or if
we are comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation. And our hope
for you is steadfast, because we know that as you are partakers of the
sufferings, so also you will partake of the consolation - 2 Cor. 1:6,7.
1 Corinthians 15:1,2 - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel
which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand,
by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached
to you -- unless you believed in vain. ~ Note: The word for if is a
primary particle of CONDITIONALITY meaning if, whether. So clearly it
makes being saved CONDITIONAL. The phrase hold fast also means retain
from going away, to keep secure, keep firm possession of. The word for
in vain has the idea of failure. It also means without a cause,
inconsiderably, without success or effort. So obviously our believing in
the word of God can fail. We must keep believing the word of God and
hold on to that word by letting it be real in our lives.
You want more? Just say the word. Or if you want to give me some
so-called OSAS Scriptures, bring it on and see me face you.
Pat's preaching:
The Way To Heaven, according to the Bible
http://www.geocities.com/1christlover
"Once Saved, Always Saved" IS WRONG
http://www.geocities.com/1christlover/OSAS-.html |
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On Dec 2, 2:57 pm, thewaytohea...@webtv.net (Pat H) wrote:
| Quote: | From: sai...@nettally.com (Carl)
The assurance of a Christian's salvation is clarified by Jesus in the
10th chapter of the book of John and is the topic of J. Vernon McGee's
lesson.
Pat:
You Baptists misunderstand this Scripture. Discuss this below if you
can:
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Dear, Pat H,
Even with your rather prideful delcarations of spiritual maturity and
superior Biblical knowledge, you err here in assuming I am a Baptist.
Just to let you know.
The assurance of a Christian's salvation is clarified by Jesus in the
10th chapter of the book of John and is the topic of J. Vernon McGee's
lesson.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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The Shepherd And The Sheep—Assurance
by J. Vernon McGee
John 10
Had the important relationships between Christ and His church because
of the cross been kept in mind, the disease of denominationalism and
the curse of sectarianism might have been prevented. Thus would the
church have been delivered through the years from much of its sorrow
and heartbreak which have resulted from its divisions.
We understand that there are about three hundred sects in America
today. My, how the church is divided! “Like a mighty army moves the
church of God” may be on blueprint in a song, but it has not
progressed beyond that stage. In fact, someone has written a parody of
“Onward, Christian Soldiers,” and it runs like this:
Like a halting caravan
Moves the church of Christ;
We are feebly faltering
Toward our timid tryst.
We are all divided,
Many bodies we,
Kept apart by doctrine
And lack of charity.
Careful, Christian pilgrims!
Walk in doubt and fear,
With the cross of Jesus
Bringing up the rear.
My friend, that is the picture at the present moment. Were the
scriptural relationships observed and obeyed, the narrow and limited
conception of the church would not prevail as it does in this hour.
These relationships, as we find them in God’s Word, enable believers
to see beyond the limited borders or confines of the church or little
group to which they belong. The church needs a full-orbed view today.
It desperately needs 20–20 vision to see what the real church of the
living Christ is and always has been. Certainly its vision must be
cleared of the myopic, jaundice-blurred view of some group that wears
a certain label.
Right now, loyalty to a sect is the test under the present system. A
man may be rank in doctrine, but if loyal to some certain
organization, he will pass muster. The organization is the sacred cow
of the present day. Beloved, the total body of Christ, the family of
God, is lost sight of at the present moment, and, as a result, there
has been a movement—a superorganization—forged and forced down upon
the church, operating under the title of the World Council of
Churches. That organization is not the solution to the problem of the
hour. This relationship between Christ and His church is not
maintained by an organization functioning from the outside but must
rise from the grassroots as the individual believer keeps the unity of
the Spirit. That is the thing that will cure today’s sectarian
sickness. It is the one remedy.
To see this we must note the seven figures used in Scripture to
clearly delineate the relationship that exists between Christ and His
church. We list them here: the Shepherd and the sheep; the Vine and
the branches; the Cornerstone and the stones of the building; the Head
and the body; the High Priest and the priesthood of believers; the
Bridegroom and the bride; and the Last Adam and the new creation. All
of these wonderful figures set forth the blessed relationship between
Christ and His church—because of His cross.
Did you note as you read this list that each figure is drawn from
life? All are familiar figures; they are commonplace and are to be
found in the everyday experiences of most people. We find that they
are drawn from the animal, vegetable, and mineral kingdoms: from the
animal kingdom, the sheep; the vegetable kingdom, the vine; the
mineral kingdom, the stone. The Lord Jesus just reached out and drew
from those things that were around Him.
Again we would like to pass on to you a bit of verse that expresses
the fact in a wonderful way.
He talked of grass and wind and rain,
And fig trees and fair weather,
And made it His delight to bring
Heaven and earth together.
He spoke of lilies, vines, and corn,
The sparrow and the raven;
And words so natural, yet so wise,
Were on men’s hearts engraven.
Author Unknown
So the Lord just reached out and from life drew these figures of
speech which carry a wealth of spiritual meaning to us today.
There are Sheep of Kinds
Let us break into this study of relationships at the figure of the
Shepherd and the sheep. The figure of the sheep is, no doubt, the
broadest term He ever used. It is the broadest term set down in
Scripture. Actually we find all humanity spoken of as sheep. Every
person is a sheep. This term fits every man who ever lived upon this
earth. Read this: “All we like sheep have gone astray.” That applies
to everyone. Now someone is going to say, “Yes, but the Bible says
that there are sheep and goats.” If you go back to the twenty-fifth
chapter of Matthew and read it carefully, you will find that He is not
talking of individuals, but of nations. He never did call an
individual a goat. It is recorded that when He saw the multitudes, He
was moved with compassion for them for “they were as sheep without a
shepherd.” That is His figure for every man on earth—a sheep. Pin that
down in your thinking; it is important. Note that the gentile nations
are called “goat nations” in the twenty-fifth chapter of Matthew.
Also we must recall that He made a distinction in sheep. He said to
the religious rulers, “Ye are not of my sheep,” and then He said, “My
sheep hear my voice.” So then, there are two kinds of sheep—those who
are His and those who are not His. But let us understand one thing:
They are sheep and not goats; all are sheep in His eyes.
Now it is true that the nation Israel was spoken of in just that
fashion back in the Old Testament. Turn to Psalm 74, for instance, and
read this reference to the nation Israel: “O God, why hast thou cast
us off forever? Why doth thine anger smoke against the sheep of thy
pasture?” This is the nation Israel. Then in Jeremiah 23:1: “Woe be
unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture!
saith the Lord.” He speaks there of the nation Israel.
Now in Christ’s day, when He was here upon the earth, it was true that
the nation Israel was considered in Scripture as being in a particular
way God’s sheep. The religious rulers, however, assumed that those of
Israel were the only sheep that God ever had or could have. That is
where they made their blunder! Therefore, the statement made by the
Lord Jesus Christ in the tenth chapter of John, which seems so natural
and normal to us because we have heard it ever since we were children,
was without the shadow of a doubt the most revolutionary, the most
radical statement the religious rulers had ever heard.
Notice that it all went back to the incident of the opening of the
eyes of the blind man who was sent down to the pool of Siloam. When he
returned from the pool, his sight restored, he sought the Lord but
could not find Him. However, the religious rulers quickly seized him
who had been blind, for he had been healed on the Sabbath day. They
questioned him, but he could tell them very little. He as much as
said, “To begin with, I did not see the Man with my eyes because He
anointed them and sent me to the pool of Siloam. It was not until I
reached there that my eyes were opened, and then He was gone. I do not
know a great deal about Him, but I do know one thing: Once I was
blind, now I can see—that is my testimony.”
The statement of the blind man so enraged the Pharisees that in their
mad effort to condemn the Lord, they called in the man’s parents. But
the parents were afraid to testify, for they knew that they were in
danger of being excommunicated. Therefore, they quietly compromised
and moved out of the picture.
But this man whose sight had been restored still came at the Pharisees
with his argument which virtually was as follows: “It is a funny thing
that you are saying that this man is not one who works miracles of
God. My eyes are opened. I know that He did it, and I know that it is
a miracle!” It is a wonderful thing, beloved, when you come to know
that much! When you can say, “Once I was blind, but now I see. Once I
was lost, but now I am found.” It is a gift of His grace in your life.
This poor blind man knew it.
The positive nature of his testimony so heightened the anger of the
religious rulers that they called a meeting of the Sanhedrin and put
the man out of the synagogue. He was excommunicated. It was then that
he found himself in a precarious position, for he was ruined socially
and economically. They wrecked him. Scripture records that “they cast
him out” (John 9:34). Then the Lord Jesus came to his defense and told
the religious rulers that they really did not understand.
Christ—the Shepherd
Thus He began to set forth the truth. John records His words in
chapter ten, verse one: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that
entereth not by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbeth up
some other way, the same is a thief and a robber” (ASV).
We must first understand that the sheepfold was Israel, and then we
are ready to follow our Lord as He patiently opened the truth to these
men of the synagogue.
He explained to them that He had not crawled over the fence as a
robber but had come to the sheepfold in a regular way, though He could
have come in many ways. He could have come as an angel of glory or
have been born in Caesar’s palace. This He did not do. He was born of
the line of David, followed the Mosaic law all the way through, and
had thus come in at the door of the sheepfold. He had not climbed over
the fence as a thief or robber.
As we follow His telling of this great truth, we are startled with a
tremendous statement He makes in verse three when He says that the
porter opened the door for Him. Did you notice that? And have you read
carefully enough to ask yourself who this porter might be? The writer
believes that the porter is none other than the Holy Spirit.
Then He said a most radical thing to them: “But he that entereth in by
the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth, and
the sheep hear his voice; and he calleth his own sheep by name.” Now
listen, “and [he] leadeth them out” (John 10:2, 3). Remember, the
sheepfold is Israel, and the Lord Jesus said, “I am the Shepherd who
has come in a regular way into the sheepfold, and I have called My
sheep. My sheep hear My voice and they follow Me, and this man who was
blind has come out because he is My sheep. Other sheep came out also,
but there were those which stayed inside.” He said, “I am the
shepherd, and Israel is the sheepfold.” Now read this: “When he hath
put forth all his own, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him:
for they know his voice” (John 10:4, ASV). Thus the Lord defends the
blind man by the simple explanation: “I have come in the regular way
into the nation Israel. I am not a thief or robber but have come into
the sheepfold and am calling My sheep by name and leading them out of
the sheepfold, Israel.” This is tremendous!
The Shepherd Forms His Flock
To these bewildered men He further says in verse sixteen: “And other
sheep I have, which are not of this fold.” Unfortunately this has been
translated “fold,” and it really ought to be “flock.” Let us read it
again. “And other sheep I have, which are not of this flock.” This
body which He is forming by a calling out could not be a fold or
sheepfold, because Israel is the sheepfold. Christ says that He is
forming a new flock and that He has called out this man who was blind
and was in the sheepfold to be a member of His new flock. Then He
added that He has sheep other than those whom He has called out of
this sheepfold: “them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice;
and there shall be one fold [flock], and one shepherd.”
As far as His flock is concerned, it is one flock today. How tragic it
is, and has been, to have the Baptist sheep over here and the
Presbyterian sheep over there and the Methodist sheep in still another
area. After all, sheep are sheep, and those who are in His flock are
one. There is one flock and one Shepherd—that is the picture of His
church today.
He said, “There are other sheep I have who are not in this flock here.
I must bring them. I have called the blind man, but I have some red,
some yellow, some black, and some white; and even in Los Angeles, New
York, London, and other points down yonder two thousand years from
now, there will be more sheep that are to be members of My flock.” He
has one flock, and there is one Shepherd today. We find that the Lord
Jesus Christ has a threefold relationship to this flock which is known
as His church. First of all, He is the Good Shepherd, and He defines
the Good Shepherd in verse 11: “I am the good shepherd: the good
shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.” Then He is the Great
Shepherd, for we read in the magnificent benediction given in Hebrews
13:20, 21: “Now the God of peace, who brought again from the dead the
great shepherd of the sheep with the blood of an eternal covenant,
even our Lord Jesus, make you perfect in every good thing to do his
will” (ASV). He is also the Great Shepherd of the sheep in Psalm
twenty-three. But wait, that does not tell the total picture. He is
also the Chief Shepherd. That speaks of the future. Peter says in his
first epistle, chapter five, verse four: “And when the chief Shepherd
shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.”
The Good Shepherd
We have already seen verse 11 of John 10, but drop down to verse 15
and read: “Even as the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father; and I
lay down my life for the sheep” (ASV).
He is not through with this thought for it is very important to Him,
as we see in verse 17: “Therefore doth the Father love me, because I
lay down my life, that I may take it again” (ASV).
Again and again He repeats the fact that He is the Good Shepherd and
that the Good Shepherd will lay down His life for the sheep. That was
an amazing figure of speech to those people, for in the Old Testament
we learn that while the shepherd cared for his flock, at times he
reached down into the flock and took a sheep to be slaughtered for
food when he was hungry. If he was cold he would slaughter a sheep for
his clothing. If he needed a sacrifice he would use a sheep for the
sacrifice. In other words, the little sheep had to die for the
shepherd.
But it is passing strange that here is a Shepherd who will die for His
sheep. Stranger still, He identifies Himself with His sheep. “He was
oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is
brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers
is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth” (Isaiah 53:7). He not only is
the Shepherd, but He came down here into the flock and became a sheep
that He might die on the cross. “But we see Jesus, who was made a
little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with
glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for
every man” (Hebrews 2:9).
But that is not all. We must read in verses 14–16 of that same
chapter:
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he
also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he
might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and
deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject
to bondage. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he
took on him the seed of Abraham.
My beloved, this is wonderfully strange. Here is a Shepherd who not
only dies for His sheep, but He comes down into the flock and becomes
one of the sheep! May I say, ever so reverently, Mary had a little
Lamb.
When Abel brought the offering to God of a little lamb, he knew that
there was coming a day when a forerunner would step out, put an X mark
on a sheep, and say, “Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin
of the world.” Jesus Christ was the Good Shepherd giving His life for
the sheep.
You may recall having read David’s account of his purpose to go out
and meet Goliath. It is given in 1 Samuel 17:33–36.
And Saul said to David, Thou art not able to go against this
Philistine to fight with him; for thou art but a youth, and he a man
of war from his youth. And David said unto Saul, Thy servant was
keeping his father’s sheep; and when there came a lion, or a bear, and
took a lamb out of the flock, I went out after him, and smote him, and
delivered it out of his mouth; and when he arose against me, I caught
him by his beard, and smote him and slew him. Thy servant smote both
the lion and the bear: and this uncircumcised Philistine shall be as
one of them, seeing he hath defied the armies of the living God (ASV).
The strong Son of God, the Good Shepherd, came down to this earth and
went out and met the devil. The other sheep could not! Certainly we
could not meet him—we are no match for him. But Christ met and
conquered him and wrought salvation on the cross. Today He gives this
invitation out of His great heart of love, “I am the door”—the door to
the flock—”by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved.”
The Great Shepherd
“I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As
the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my
life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this
fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there
shall be one fold [flock], and one shepherd”
(John 10:14–16).
The emphasis here is upon the word my. They are my sheep. Now that is
where the twenty-third Psalm comes in. Listen to Him as He says, “They
are my sheep.” And His sheep can say, “The Lord is my shepherd.” Oh,
how wonderful is the little possessive pronoun there! My sheep—my
Shepherd. It makes all of the difference in the world whether you say
“Christ is a Shepherd,” or whether you say, “Christ is my Shepherd.”
There was a group of believers who got together and started a
Christian day school in Pasadena, California. How thrilled we were
that first year to see all of the little ones who came. I went almost
every day to watch them come, and then back again to watch them as
they left for home when school was out. Little lambs, they were. Then
one day I took my little lamb over. I never shall forget. She did not
want me to go in but asked that I leave her at the sidewalk. I did and
then watched her walk up to the door. I did not know it was so far
from the walk to the door; nor did I know that she was so small
compared to that small building. Then I was right back over there when
the hour came for school to be dismissed, and they came out—those
precious little lambs. But all of a sudden, I saw my little lamb!
There is a lot of difference between sheep and my sheep.
Your Security as His Sheep
Listen to the Lord Jesus now in John 10:27–29. My friend, you can be
included here. “My sheep hear My voice. I know them. I give unto them
eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck
them out of My hand. My Father which gave them Me is greater than all,
and no created thing can pluck them out of My Father’s hand. I have
the hand of deity; He has the hand of deity. And I and My Father—we
are one. When we put a sheep between our hands, the little fellow
never gets out! We do not lose sheep. We are not in the business of
losing sheep!” One may get out of the flock—yes, they do—but this
Shepherd went out on the mountainside and got that one that everyone
else had given up. He was not satisfied with ninety-nine; He had to
have one hundred.
“I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish.” Now we
can well imagine that someone might say, “I do not like that. After
all, I might get saved today and lost tomorrow.” It is true, my friend—
you might, and so might I. For if it depended upon me, I might be lost
within the next five minutes.
Let us imagine one of these little sheep trotting up and saying, “Say,
I am a clever little sheep, and I am smart. I know my way around. Do
you want to know how I remain safe, how I have missed the wolf? Well,
now, look here, do you see these claws of mine, how sharp they are—
lions are afraid of them. I am a mean little sheep. And look at these
fangs—I can bite wild animals with them. Say! If I get in a tight
place these legs of mine can run.” You say that is utterly ridiculous
because no sheep has sharp claws and fangs and neither can a sheep run
fast. You are right. Do you know why our Lord said that His sheep are
safe? It is because of the keeping power of the Shepherd and certainly
not because of any ability that lies in the sheep. “My sheep hear my
voice, and I know them, and they follow me. And I give unto them
eternal life; and they shall never perish.” Why? Because no man is
going to pluck them out of His hand!
We must return to His invitation: “I am the door: by me if any man
enter in, he shall be saved” (John 10:9). I do not know who you are as
you read this message, but if you are His sheep, you will hear His
voice. If the Spirit of God speaks to you—and I say this very kindly
and carefully—for God’s sake listen to the Shepherd; He is calling
you. “I am the door.” If you will not step through this door, it is
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..No doctrine is more important to evangelical theology than the
doctrine of justification by faith alone-the Reformation principle of
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The Dukester, American-American
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On Dec 2, 9:19 am, "Ike9" <xeickleberrybo...@msn.com> wrote:
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Gays, PRO-Choice Women, and All Egalitarians --
In other words, Satanists.
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From: saints@nettally.com (Carl)
Sola Gratia
by Dr. Robert S. Rayburn
Ephesians 2:1-10
Pat: Discuss the Scripture please:
Ephesians 2:8-10 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and
that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone
should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for
good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. ~
Note: That is not talking about sin. Again, works does not mean sin.
True, we are saved by grace, not by works. That means we don't work our
way into being good enough to be saved. By faith in Him, God implants
His Spirit into us and makes us born again when we truly surrender to
the Lordship of Jesus Christ. That is when Jesus sets you free from sin
(John 8:36 and Romans 6:22). Doing good works (like trying to do the OT
law of works) is not what gets us saved. It is by grace through faith.
We're saved through faith. You gotta keep the faith; but be on guard,
because the word of God says that some will depart from the faith (1
Tim. 4:1), some have cast off their faith (1 Tim. 5:12), and some have
strayed from the faith (1 Tim. 6:10,21). With no more faith, someone
will no longer have grace to be saved. Surely, the condition for grace
is to have faith.
Pat's preaching:
The Way To Heaven, according to the Bible
http://www.geocities.com/1christlover
"Once Saved, Always Saved" IS WRONG
http://www.geocities.com/1christlover/OSAS-.html |
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From: saints@nettally.com (Carl)
The Sufficiency Of Scripture
by John MacArthur
[PART ONE]
As you know, we are studying 1 Timothy,
Pat:
Why don't Baptists believe it? If you say you do, then prove me wrong
about if it can:
1 Timothy 1:5-7 - ... sincere faith, from which some, having strayed,
have turned aside to idle talk, desiring to be teachers of the law,
understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm. ~
Note: That clearly says some have strayed from sincere faith. The word
for strayed here, I use the NKJV, is swerved in the KJV. It also means
err, to deviate from, miss (the mark). So these people deviated from
sincere faith. You must not do that. You must keep the faith!
1 Timothy 3:6 - not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall
into the same condemnation as the devil. ~ Note: The word for novice
also means newly planted, a new convert, neophyte (one who has recently
become a Christian). So what this is saying is that a new convert can
become puffed up with pride if they are put into the position of an
elder at a church; then that pride makes them fall. The word for fall
means to fall into, to fall among robbers, fall into one's power. So
this is action of a real Christian who has been out of the devil's
power, but then falls back into it because of puffed up pride. What it
is that there is a possibility of falling into is the same condemnation
(judgment, damnation) as the devil.
1 Timothy 3:7 - Moreover he (the bishop, overseer, elder, officer of a
church) must have a good testimony among those who are outside (the
people who are lost), lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the
devil. ~ Note: The word for must also means it is necessary, there is
need of, a necessity in reference to what is required to attain some
end. So the bishop or elder better have a good testimony of how the Lord
Jesus Christ set him free from sin, and not be puffed up with pride, or
else the lost sinners could have him fall into the devil's trap.
1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some
will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and
doctrines of demons. ~ Note: Paul sounds like he's really trying to get
the point accross by stating "the Spirit expressly says." With this kind
of language, we better pay attention. The word for giving heed also
means to turn the mind to, give attention to, to apply one's self to, to
devote thought and effort to. So don't give much attention to people who
tell you that you can not lose your salvation. People who are devoted to
teaching the OSAS false doctrine have definitely given heed to deceiving
spirits. They paid attention to misleading, corrupted, deceiving spirits
and now they may be departed from the faith. The word for depart also
means to desert, to fall away, become faithless, to withdraw one's self
from. Either way that you look at it they stop having faith. So be
careful of deceiving spirits and keep the faith. Real faith that is, not
one of an imposter.
1 Timothy 5:12 - Having condemnation because they have cast off their
first faith. ~ Note: The word for cast off also means despise, reject,
bring to nothing, to do away with, to set aside, disregard, nullify,
make void. Clearly, their faith is no good anymore, and they will be
condemned at the last day. These people become spiritually dead. I
suggest that you study the word of God hard to make sure that your life
lines up with His word. I still do it often, and I will continue to do
so. I love reading the Bible and being taught the ways of God.
1 Timothy 5:15 - For some have already turned aside after Satan. ~ Note:
They no longer followed Christ. To come to Christ is not a one-time deal
and it is all over with. You can turn aside after Satan just like these
people did. Don't do it!
1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil,
for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and
pierced themselves through with many sorrows. ~ Note: The word strayed
in the KJV is erred. It also means seduce, to lead away from the truth
to error. Surely, the love of money can seduce a person and make them
lose faith that they once had. The word for from also means out of, off,
of separation, of departing, of fleeing, of any kind of separation of
one thing from another by which the union of fellowship of the two is
destroyed. Clearly, this is strong proof that someone can destroy their
salvation. I don't think money in and of itself is a problem if you are
not selfish and helping people with it, but the love of money that makes
one greedy is.
1 Timothy 6:20,21 - O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust,
avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is
falsely called knowledge -- by professing it some have strayed
concerning the faith. ~ Note: We see that what a person says can make
them stray concerning the faith. The word Guard is keep in the KJV. It
also means observe, beware, to guard a person (or thing) that he may
remain safe, to keep from being snatched away (I explain John 10:29 in
another page), preserve safe and unimpaired, to guard from being lost or
perishing. Clearly, this is something that we have to do. The Lord
doesn't do it for us. When we are told to do something, it implies the
possibility of us not doing it. The word for idle babblings also means
empty discussion, discussion of vain and useless matters. The word for
contradictions also means opposition, that which is opposed. The word
for knowledge also means science, knowledge signified in general
intelligence, understanding, the general knowledge of Christian
religion, the deeper more perfect and enlarged knowledge of this
religion esp. of things lawful and unlawful for Christians, moral wisdom
such as seen in right living. So the "O.S.A.S." false doctrine, which
opposes the knowledge of moral wisdom in God's word because it says you
are eternally secure no matter what, definitely fits into being against
this category and some "have strayed concerning the faith" because of
that alone.
Pat's preaching:
The Way To Heaven, according to the Bible
http://www.geocities.com/1christlover
"Once Saved, Always Saved" IS WRONG
http://www.geocities.com/1christlover/OSAS-.html |
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From: nobler@accesswave.ca (Zadok)
From: "Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca>
Subject: Re: The Ten Commandments For Marriage
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:41 AM
"Carl" <THE GODLESS SPAMMER> wrote in message
The Ten Commandments For Marriage
by John Hamby
On the newsgroups, many people post opinion pieces.
Then there are the deceivers, who pretend to post. What these GODLESS
SPAMMERS do is cut and paste various articles. This allows them to SPAM
their websites, while pretending to add to the discussions.
Pat:
Carl may mainly just post these things written by others over and over
again, but you usually respond to him with the same exact thing about
the complaint of Paul to him. So you are no better. Adultereres will
burn in hell. There, I added to the discussion at hand.
Pat's preaching:
The Way To Heaven, according to the Bible
http://www.geocities.com/1christlover
"Once Saved, Always Saved" IS WRONG
http://www.geocities.com/1christlover/OSAS-.html |
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