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 Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
flush cultic crap
What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence." ?After all, a person
can quietly do or think whatever he wants during those times.
Some may choose to pray. ?So what? ?Harmless! ?Because NO
one is being FORCED to use the time for that purpose, and
thus there is NO violation of the principl;e of the separation
of church and state.
You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
I taught school for 10 years.
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Just what the world needs - A foaming at the mouth xian "teaching" our
children.
| Quote: | Even though my school never had
any "moments of silence," I know that MOST such "moments" take
place during home room, when attendance is being taken.
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You know no such thing. Unless you kept getting moved around (because of
your foam), you won't know much about more than a fraction of a percent of
the schools in the U.S., let alone worldwide.
| Quote: | Thus, NO teaching minutes are wasted.
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That would certainly be the case in any classroom you were in charge of.
| Quote: | Moreover, what you've described isn't what really happens
during those moments of so-called silence. They aren't just a
'moment' and in practice they aren't limited to a minute either.
In any instance where it would be longer than a minute, that
WOULD be a waste of time that could b better spent doing just
about ANYTHING else.
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That I'm even _reading_ your tripe is a statement of just how little I have
to do today. It's time better spent twiddling my thumbs, you know.
| Quote: | They aren't really silent and they're definitely not visually
neutral: there's the ostentatious opening of bibles, the lips
moving, the murmur, and the busybody monitoring of what
others are doing.
Sensible people should not only be aware of such nonsense,
but they ALSO should report such instances to the ACLU, with
complete descriptions of what was observed.
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You can't have it both ways, loser.
| Quote: | The result is peer pressure to pray, and retaliation against
those who don't at least pretend to do so.
That is inexcusable. And KUDOS to any students who would
have the backbone to openly REBEL against that by speaking out
against it.
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Such empathy. This is the "thinking" of a bully. You find it impossible to
understand those who cannot stand up to abuse.
| Quote: | Overall, your argument is no better than that of those who
say reciting the Pledge is harmless, because no one has to say
the words they object to.
I don't think
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Heh.
| Quote: | the Pledge should be used at all until the day
comes when the words "under god" (without which everyone
did just fine for over half a century!) are ruled to be unconstitu-
tional.
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You just can't make up your mind, can you.
| Quote: | In both cases, an example is set and the pressure to
conform can be intense.
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Young Chiltown's intensely narrow view brings him complete blindness to
this.
| Quote: | In everything you said, wherever it occurs, I agree with YOU 100%!
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You contradict yourself, due to your cognitive dissonance. One cannot both
defend the "moment of silence" and reject it at the same time. I consider
this to be as much evidence of your nasty theistic bent as anything you've
done in a.a...why don't you just give it up? |
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Lord Vetinari
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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| Quote: | J wrote:
What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being compelled to
pray.
http://www.citizenlink.org/CLNews/A000007965.cfm
Good News: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools
Why does the school NEED to lead the entire school into a moment of
silence? Why can't those students that wish to have a moment of silence
simply do so?
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It's so that the xians can concentrate on their "Hooked on Phonics"
bibles...of course, they'll be reading aloud, you know. |
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Syd M.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On Aug 13, 10:52 am, "Lord Vetinari" <vetin...@ameritech.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "DanielSan" <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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J wrote:
What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being compelled to
pray.
http://www.citizenlink.org/CLNews/A000007965.cfm
Good News: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools
Why does the school NEED to lead the entire school into a moment of
silence? Why can't those students that wish to have a moment of silence
simply do so?
It's so that the xians can concentrate on their "Hooked on Phonics"
bibles...of course, they'll be reading aloud, you know.
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Well, it's not as if they actually read the thing at all anyway...
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:23:46 -0500,
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
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| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
If you face yourself, you may come to learn that your public
face is not that of any sort of liberal. You and your bagpipes.
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Really? And just HOW MANY conservatives/Neocons do YOU
know who steadfastly support and defend abortion rights, same-
sex marriage for gays, and who totally oppose ALL forms of
censorship?
You should read my blogs. You might learn something.
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry. |
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:46:51 -0500,
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
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| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence." ?After all, a person
can quietly do or think whatever he wants during those times.
Some may choose to pray. ?So what? ?Harmless! ?Because NO
one is being FORCED to use the time for that purpose, and
thus there is NO violation of the principl;e of the separation
of church and state.
You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
I taught school for 10 years.
Just what the world needs - A foaming at the mouth xian
"teaching" our children.
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Not only did I *NEVER* talk about religion in school, being a FIRM
believer in church-state separation, I never even would have had the
slightest DESIRE to.
| Quote: | Even though my school never had any "moments of silence,"
I know that MOST such "moments" take place during home room,
when attendance is being taken.
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Where it happens, it tends to be in the same block of time in
which our (corrupted since 1954) Pledge is recited.
| Quote: | You know no such thing. Unless you kept getting moved around ...
you won't know much about more than a fraction of a percent of
the schools in the U.S., let alone worldwide.
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The topic came up from time to time in teacher conferences. Not
as propositions; just chat among teachers. I saw no reason to think
it was any different, from what Idescribed, in the public schools of
California or New York State.
| Quote: | Thus, NO teaching minutes are wasted.
That would certainly be the case in any classroom you were
in charge of.
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That would be the case in the classroom of ANY public school
teacher.
| Quote: | Moreover, what you've described isn't what really happens
during those moments of so-called silence. They aren't just a
'moment' and in practice they aren't limited to a minute either.
In any instance where it would be longer than a minute, that
WOULD be a waste of time that could b better spent doing just
about ANYTHING else.
That I'm even _reading_ your tripe is a statement of just how
little I have to do today. It's time better spent twiddling my thumbs,
you know.
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LOL!!!! **YOU** probably WOULD be!
| Quote: | They aren't really silent and they're definitely not visually
neutral: there's the ostentatious opening of bibles, the lips
moving, the murmur, and the busybody monitoring of what
others are doing.
Sensible people should not only be aware of such nonsense,
but they ALSO should report such instances to the ACLU, with
complete descriptions of what was observed.
You can't have it both ways.
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I would only want it ONE way. Church/state separation. I'd
probably suggest that the students use the time to plan their tasks
for the day.
| Quote: | The result is peer pressure to pray, and retaliation against
those who don't at least pretend to do so.
That is inexcusable. And KUDOS to any students who would
have the backbone to openly REBEL against that by speaking out
against it.
Such empathy. This is the "thinking" of a bully. You find it
impossible to understand those who cannot stand up to abuse.
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As a teacher, I always encouraged my student to develop as
individuals, and RESIST yielding to peer pressure. The real "bully"
is peer pressure. Fortunately, many people grow up having NO
regard or respect for it, as I did. Same for most forms of what is
now called "political correctness." On my office wall is a sign that
reads:
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
... is just as Curable as any
other form of Insanity.
Thus, my staff is reminded of that as well.
| Quote: | Overall, your argument is no better than that of those who
say reciting the Pledge is harmless, because no one has to say
the words they object to.
I don't think the Pledge should be used at all until the day
comes when the words "under god" (without which everyone
did just fine for over half a century!) are ruled to be unconstitu-
tional.
You just can't make up your mind, can you.
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Just because I was required to have the kids recite the
1945-corrupted Pledge didn't mean that I agreed with it.
| Quote: | In both cases, an example is set and the pressure to
conform can be intense.
Young Chiltown's intensely narrow view brings him complete
blindness to this.
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I know that in many cases, my encouragement to the kids
not to yield to peer pressure really worked. Kids can be pretty
smart. You'd be amazed at what happens when you help them
come to the realization that just "going alonng with the crowd"
can be downright stupid.
| Quote: | In everything you said, wherever it occurs, I agree with
YOU 100%!
You contradict yourself, due to your cognitive dissonance. One
cannot both defend the "moment of silence" and reject it at the
same time.
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I see no reason to argue with a "moment of silence" if that
is ALL that it is -- and is NOT abused as Jenny described.
<stupidity-snip>
-- Craig Chilton
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:35:29 -0400,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
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But you're not a social liberal.
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On 13 Aug 2008 17:22:25 GMT,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
| Quote: | (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
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| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
But you're not a social liberal.
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Either you're LYING again -- or you have NOT read the
articles in my blogs -- almost al of which I wrote.
(Once again. Readers, Ray has displayed his very
blatant ignorance.)
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry. |
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John Doe
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu2...@mchsi.com> wrote:
�No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
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Haha... try reading all of the replies in this thread. They are
going ape shit over nothing.
| Quote: | �After all, a person can quietly do or think whatever he wants
during those times. Some may choose to pray. �So what?
�Harmless! �Be
You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
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Singular "minute". It teaches children to be quiet for one minute.
But speaking of teaching... you might want to teach your newsreader
to properly quote text.
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John Baker
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:48:11 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid>
wrote:
| Quote: | Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote:
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu2...@mchsi.com> wrote:
�No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
Haha... try reading all of the replies in this thread. They are
going ape shit over nothing.
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Rubbing IBen's face in his own hypocrisy hardly equates to "going
apeshit over nothing". Do try to keep up.
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�After all, a person can quietly do or think whatever he wants
during those times. Some may choose to pray. �So what?
�Harmless! �Be
You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
Singular "minute". It teaches children to be quiet for one minute.
But speaking of teaching... you might want to teach your newsreader
to properly quote text. |
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Lord Vetinari
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:46:51 -0500,
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence." ?After all, a person
can quietly do or think whatever he wants during those times.
Some may choose to pray. ?So what? ?Harmless! ?Because NO
one is being FORCED to use the time for that purpose, and
thus there is NO violation of the principl;e of the separation
of church and state.
You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
I taught school for 10 years.
Just what the world needs - A foaming at the mouth xian
"teaching" our children.
Not only did I *NEVER* talk about religion in school, being a FIRM
believer in church-state separation, I never even would have had the
slightest DESIRE to.
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That would make you a faulty xian, then, wouldn't it?
| Quote: | Even though my school never had any "moments of silence,"
I know that MOST such "moments" take place during home room,
when attendance is being taken.
Where it happens, it tends to be in the same block of time in
which our (corrupted since 1954) Pledge is recited.
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There is no good reason to say the freaking pledge in school in the first
place, and most of the schools that I've attended didn't do it at all. Not
all schools waste students' time with such trivialities.
| Quote: | You know no such thing. Unless you kept getting moved around ...
you won't know much about more than a fraction of a percent of
the schools in the U.S., let alone worldwide.
The topic came up from time to time in teacher conferences. Not
as propositions; just chat among teachers. I saw no reason to think
it was any different, from what Idescribed, in the public schools of
California or New York State.
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Idle gossip...IOW, anecdotal "evidence". There is every reason to believe
that things are not the same in different schools. Ferex, I never had a
grammar class, because the school I transferred from hadn't gotten that far
in the ciriculum, and the new school had already finished with it. These
were both in the same school district.-
| Quote: | Thus, NO teaching minutes are wasted.
That would certainly be the case in any classroom you were
in charge of.
That would be the case in the classroom of ANY public school
teacher.
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Wrong again, Chiltown. It appears that your experiences are rather limited.
BTW, I was joking when I agreed with your "NO teaching...wasted".
| Quote: | Moreover, what you've described isn't what really happens
during those moments of so-called silence. They aren't just a
'moment' and in practice they aren't limited to a minute either.
In any instance where it would be longer than a minute, that
WOULD be a waste of time that could b better spent doing just
about ANYTHING else.
That I'm even _reading_ your tripe is a statement of just how
little I have to do today. It's time better spent twiddling my thumbs,
you know.
LOL!!!! **YOU** probably WOULD be!
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Let me just respond with something that makes just as much sense as your
reply:
"I was in the kitchen
Seamus, that's the dog, was outside
well I was in the kitchen
Seamus, my own hound, was outside
well you know the sun was sinking slowly
and my own hound-dog sat right down and cried"
| Quote: | They aren't really silent and they're definitely not visually
neutral: there's the ostentatious opening of bibles, the lips
moving, the murmur, and the busybody monitoring of what
others are doing.
Sensible people should not only be aware of such nonsense,
but they ALSO should report such instances to the ACLU, with
complete descriptions of what was observed.
You can't have it both ways.
I would only want it ONE way. Church/state separation. I'd
probably suggest that the students use the time to plan their tasks
for the day.
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You're crackers, son. You've already indicated your support of this BS, yet
you claim to favor the seperation of church & state. Try again, once more
with feeling.
| Quote: | The result is peer pressure to pray, and retaliation against
those who don't at least pretend to do so.
That is inexcusable. And KUDOS to any students who would
have the backbone to openly REBEL against that by speaking out
against it.
Such empathy. This is the "thinking" of a bully. You find it
impossible to understand those who cannot stand up to abuse.
As a teacher, I always encouraged my student to develop as
individuals, and RESIST yielding to peer pressure. The real "bully"
is peer pressure.
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So, you're saying that bullying by students and teachers doesn't exist, eh?
I'm not at all surprised that you have this problem.
| Quote: | Fortunately, many people grow up having NO
regard or respect for it, as I did. Same for most forms of what is
now called "political correctness."
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You're kinda warped. No one is immune to peer pressure, and peer pressure
is not the negative thing that you're assuming it to be. Peer pressure,
when used for good, can save lives. If you can't figure out how, I'll take
that as further proof that you really are as ignorant as your appear to be.
| Quote: | On my office wall is a sign that reads:
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
... is just as Curable as any
other form of Insanity.
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That could be taken in more than one way.
| Quote: | Thus, my staff is reminded of that as well.
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We don't really care about how you treat your member.
| Quote: | Overall, your argument is no better than that of those who
say reciting the Pledge is harmless, because no one has to say
the words they object to.
I don't think the Pledge should be used at all until the day
comes when the words "under god" (without which everyone
did just fine for over half a century!) are ruled to be unconstitu-
tional.
You just can't make up your mind, can you.
Just because I was required to have the kids recite the
1945-corrupted Pledge didn't mean that I agreed with it.
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Uh-huh. Right. Sure. If at all true, then you've proven yourself to be a
ypocrit...you've not the backbone to stand up for what you "believe".
| Quote: | In both cases, an example is set and the pressure to
conform can be intense.
Young Chiltown's intensely narrow view brings him complete
blindness to this.
I know that in many cases, my encouragement to the kids
not to yield to peer pressure really worked. Kids can be pretty
smart. You'd be amazed at what happens when you help them
come to the realization that just "going alonng with the crowd"
can be downright stupid.
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_I'd_ be amazed? Son, you don't know me at all. My son has grown to
adulthood, having been trained all of his life to think for himself. Yes,
his failure to accept institutional brainwashing has caused him some grief,
while in school, but he can proudly say that he neither bent, nor broken
under that pressure.
| Quote: | In everything you said, wherever it occurs, I agree with
YOU 100%!
You contradict yourself, due to your cognitive dissonance. One
cannot both defend the "moment of silence" and reject it at the
same time.
I see no reason to argue with a "moment of silence" if that
is ALL that it is -- and is NOT abused as Jenny described.
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Back on _that_ kick again, eh? You're either naïve as hell, or are
dissembling to a high degree.
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Lord Vetinari
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
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| Quote: | On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:23:46 -0500,
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
If you face yourself, you may come to learn that your public
face is not that of any sort of liberal. You and your bagpipes.
Really? And just HOW MANY conservatives/Neocons do YOU
know who steadfastly support and defend abortion rights, same-
sex marriage for gays, and who totally oppose ALL forms of
censorship?
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Just you, no one else. I mostly stay away from rabid right-wingers, because
they usually can't talk about much of anything with one of a liberal POV,
without becoming dangerously enraged. I know at least one exception,
though...he's one of that rare breed, a conservative xian, who is also a
thinking man.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On 13 Aug 2008 17:22:25 GMT,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
But you're not a social liberal.
Either you're LYING again -- or you have NOT read the
articles in my blogs -- almost al of which I wrote.
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You might just want to reread what's been said here. Ray's words are the
truth. Now, it might just be that you honestly don't know the difference
between a social liberal, and yourself, but that'd be on you.
| Quote: | (Once again. Readers, Ray has displayed his very blatant ignorance.)
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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"John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote:
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu2...@mchsi.com> wrote:
�No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
Haha... try reading all of the replies in this thread. They are
going ape shit over nothing.
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If it means so little to you, then why are you even commenting? Hmmm? It's
also somewhat amusing to see that you either didn't understand that he's
claiming to be a "social liberal", or are ignoring it.
| Quote: | �After all, a person can quietly do or think whatever he wants
during those times. Some may choose to pray. �So what?
�Harmless! �Be
You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
Singular "minute". It teaches children to be quiet for one minute.
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You're a comedian, THAT's it. I sure hope you don't have any kids.
| Quote: | But speaking of teaching... you might want to teach your newsreader
to properly quote text.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: THANKS, "Jon/IBen"!! For Constantly Reminding Us that RRR C |
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THANKS, "Jon/IBen"!! For constantly reminding us that
the RRR Cult is the USA's very own version of the TALIBAN!
Except for your doing THAT, you seem to be nothing more
than one really loony and worthless troll.
But with your incessant PARROTING of those mindless,
hateful, and control-freakish articles from America's very
own version of the Taliban -- the IR-Religious Radical Right,
you are actually doing society a favor! This is a constant
reminder of just HOW loony those cultists are... and that
we need to keep opposing them until their loathsome agen-
das ha all joined those of the EQUALLY-ignorant and hateful
Segregationists -- in extinction. WITHOUT letting our guard
down in the interim.
They comprise only 5% of the U.S. population, BUT --
RRR : Society :: 5% arsenic solution : glass of drinking water
UNTIL their anti-gay-rights, Anti-Choice, and pro-censor-
ship agendas have been TOTALLY rejected and destroyed
by society, they will continue to present a danger to our
personal liberties.
And -- please see THIS:
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
(If URL gets shortened, reassemble this in your browser) --
http:
apifar.blogspot.com
2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:25:46 -0500,
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrot:
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
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| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence." ?After all, a person
can quietly do or think whatever he wants during those times.
Some may choose to pray. ?So what? ?Harmless! ?Because NO
one is being FORCED to use the time for that purpose, and
thus there is NO violation of the principl;e of the separation
of church and state.
You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
I taught school for 10 years.
Just what the world needs - A foaming at the mouth xian
"teaching" our children.
Not only did I *NEVER* talk about religion in school, being a FIRM
believer in church-state separation, I never even would have had the
slightest DESIRE to.
That would make you a faulty xian, then, wouldn't it?
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FUNDIES/RRR Cultists think so. But I couldn't care less what those
control-freakish PSEUDO-Christians think of me. The more they DON'T
like me, the more I like it. Means I'm doing my job right as an egali-
tarian.
(And just for the record, only a mere 6% of USA's *professing*
Christians are RRR Cultists. They comprise one VERY squeaky wheel!
Per Gallup Poll, 83% of Americans profess Christianity, so the other
77% of Americans are mostly everyone's fair-minded, sensible, reas-
onably tolerant, unobtrusive, and work-a-day next-door neighbors.
As Christians, we often are unfairly painted with the brush of bigotry
that only the RRR Cultists have earned and deserve.
| Quote: | Even though my school never had any "moments of silence,"
I know that MOST such "moments" take place during home room,
when attendance is being taken.
Where it happens, it tends to be in the same block of time in
which our (corrupted since 1954) Pledge is recited.
There is no good reason to say the freaking pledge in school in the first
place, and most of the schools that I've attended didn't do it at all. Not
all schools waste students' time with such trivialities.
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I'm WITH you on THAT!! It is a nonsensical ritual.
| Quote: | You know no such thing. Unless you kept getting moved around ...
you won't know much about more than a fraction of a percent of
the schools in the U.S., let alone worldwide.
The topic came up from time to time in teacher conferences. Not
as propositions; just chat among teachers. I saw no reason to think
it was any different, from what Idescribed, in the public schools of
California or New York State.
Idle gossip...IOW, anecdotal "evidence". There is every reason to believe
that things are not the same in different schools. Ferex, I never had a
grammar class, because the school I transferred from hadn't gotten that far
in the ciriculum, and the new school had already finished with it. These
were both in the same school district.-
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That can happen easily. Generally, though, whatever the pace,
most teachers cover the whole curriculum by the time the school
year ends.
[ ... ]
| Quote: | Moreover, what you've described isn't what really happens
during those moments of so-called silence. They aren't just a
'moment' and in practice they aren't limited to a minute either.
In any instance where it would be longer than a minute, that
WOULD be a waste of time that could b better spent doing just
about ANYTHING else.
That I'm even _reading_ your tripe is a statement of just how
little I have to do today. It's time better spent twiddling my thumbs,
you know.
LOL!!!! **YOU** probably WOULD be!
Let me just respond with something that makes just as much sense
as your reply:
"I was in the kitchen
Seamus, that's the dog, was outside
well I was in the kitchen
Seamus, my own hound, was outside
well you know the sun was sinking slowly
and my own hound-dog sat right down and cried"
They aren't really silent and they're definitely not visually
neutral: there's the ostentatious opening of bibles, the lips
moving, the murmur, and the busybody monitoring of what
others are doing.
Sensible people should not only be aware of such nonsense,
but they ALSO should report such instances to the ACLU, with
complete descriptions of what was observed.
You can't have it both ways.
I would only want it ONE way. Church/state separation. I'd
probably suggest that the students use the time to plan their tasks
for the day.
You're crackers, son. You've already indicated your support of this
BS, yet you claim to favor the seperation of church & state. Try again,
once more with feeling.
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You're totally missing my point. I was pointing out that a "moment
of silence," if that's ALL that it was -- while being silly and unnecessary
-- is harmless. Obviously, though, when such silliness is associated
directly with religion, as in the scenario described by Jenny, THAT
goes 'WAY over the line, is very wrong, and probably unconstitutional.
| Quote: | The result is peer pressure to pray, and retaliation against
those who don't at least pretend to do so.
That is inexcusable. And KUDOS to any students who would
have the backbone to openly REBEL against that by speaking out
against it.
Such empathy. This is the "thinking" of a bully. You find it
impossible to understand those who cannot stand up to abuse.
As a teacher, I always encouraged my student to develop as
individuals, and RESIST yielding to peer pressure. The real "bully"
is peer pressure.
So, you're saying that bullying by students and teachers doesn't
exist, eh? I'm not at all surprised that you have this problem.
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This has nothing to do with actual bullying, per se. I was saying
that wielding peer pressure (as opposed to beating people up or
otherwise intimidating them) is a FORM of bullying.
| Quote: | Fortunately, many people grow up having NO regard or respect
for it, as I did. Same for most forms of what is now called "political
correctness."
You're kinda warped. No one is immune to peer pressure, and peer
pressure is not the negative thing that you're assuming it to be.
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I probably come closer to being immune to peer pressure than
anyone you'll ever meet. The fact that I don't wear weird clothes
and stuff like that has to do with my personal tastes... NOT out of
concern for what people would think of me.
| Quote: | Peer pressure, when used for good, can save lives. If you can't
figure out how, I'll take that as further proof that you really are as
ignorant as your appear to be.
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Conformity with beneficial aspects of society can be very good,
but only when people are not COERCED to conform.
| Quote: | On my office wall is a sign that reads:
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
... is just as Curable as any
other form of Insanity.
That could be taken in more than one way.
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I've made it petty evident what that way would be.
| Quote: | Thus, my staff is reminded of that as well.
Overall, your argument is no better than that of those who
say reciting the Pledge is harmless, because no one has to say
the words they object to.
I don't think the Pledge should be used at all until the day
comes when the words "under god" (without which everyone
did just fine for over half a century!) are ruled to be unconstitu-
tional.
You just can't make up your mind, can you.
Just because I was required to have the kids recite the
1954-corrupted Pledge didn't mean that I agreed with it.
Uh-huh. Right. Sure. If at all true, then you've proven yourself
to be a hypocrite...y ou've not the backbone to stand up for what
you "believe".
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If you mean that I should have gone to the mat against the
school board against having the kids recite the Pledge, then I'm
not to sure you know the difference between yielding to peer
pressure and following established rules and laws.
| Quote: | In both cases, an example is set and the pressure to
conform can be intense.
Young Chilton's intensely narrow view brings him complete
blindness to this.
I know that in many cases, my encouragement to the kids
not to yield to peer pressure really worked. Kids can be pretty
smart. You'd be amazed at what happens when you help them
come to the realization that just "going alonng with the crowd"
can be downright stupid.
_I'd_ be amazed? Son, you don't know me at all. My son has
grown to adulthood, having been trained all of his life to think for
himself.
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Good for him and good for you!
| Quote: | Yes, his failure to accept institutional brainwashing has caused
him some grief, while in school, but he can proudly say that he
neither bent, nor broken under that pressure.
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Very commendable!! Then you can understand what I tried to
impart to my students, and what I *did* impart to my own three,
now-adult, kids.
| Quote: | In everything you said, wherever it occurs, I agree with
YOU 100%!
You contradict yourself, due to your cognitive dissonance. One
cannot both defend the "moment of silence" and reject it at the
same time.
I see no reason to argue with a "moment of silence" if that
is ALL that it is -- and is NOT abused as Jenny described.
Back on _that_ kick again, eh? You're either naïve as hell, or are
dissembling to a high degree.
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See above. A "moment of silence" would be a silly and unnecessary
ritual if that is ALL it is. And uncalled-for if associated with religion.
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
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