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"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
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| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
If you face yourself, you may come to learn that your public
face is not that of any sort of liberal. You and your bagpipes.
Really? And just HOW MANY conservatives/Neocons do YOU
know who steadfastly support and defend abortion rights, same-
sex marriage for gays, and who totally oppose ALL forms of
censorship?
Just you, no one else.
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Your being delusional is duly noted and recorded.
| Quote: | I mostly stay away from rabid right-wingers, because they usually
can't talk about much of anything with one of a liberal POV, ...
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THAT's the UNDERstatement of the year! RRR cult lemmings are
some of the most clueless and brainwashed dolts on the planet.
| Quote: | ...without becoming dangerously enraged.
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Dangerous to their own blood pressure, perhaps. Sensible
people simply laugh at them. (And, of course, keep right on
opposing their hateful and ignorant agendas.)
| Quote: | I know at least one exception, though...he's one of that rare
breed, a conservative xian, who is also a thinking man.
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Let me guess: Billy Graham? I really ADMIRE him!!
| Quote: | You should read my blogs. You might learn something.
I already read far too much of your crap.
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TRANSLATION: "Don't confuse me with the facts."
It'd be interesting to see if you could counter ANY of
the points I've made in those articles. (And maybe you
wouldn't want to -- you just might AGREE with them.)
-- Craig Chilton
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:42:11 -0500,
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
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| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
But you're not a social liberal.
Either you're LYING again -- or you have NOT read the
articles in my blogs -- almost al of which I wrote.
You might just want to reread what's been said here. Ray's words
are the truth. Now, it might just be that you honestly don't know the
difference between a social liberal, and yourself, but that'd be on you.
(Once again. Readers, Ray has displayed his very blatant ignorance.)
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Ray lies like a rug about me constantly, and has proven himself
totally CLUELESS when it comes to federal laws against ILLEGAL
entry into the USA, and the penalties that can be exacted for that.
After being challenged on that for weeks, he has NEVER YET
been able to factually counter ANY of the points made in the SIG,
below.
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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(1) ILLEGAL aliens did not belong here in the FIRST place.
(2) Federal laws prohibit undocumented entry into the USA.
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proper and legal documentation (such as a Green Card.)
(4) Every ILLEGAL alien is a CRIMINAL by default, for entering
illegally, and even MORE of one if WORKING here.
(5) Throughout our history, tens of millions of people have
worked HARD to EARN residency and citizenship here.
(a) CRIMINALS should NEVER be *rewarded* for being
criminals.
(b) According LEGAL status to ILLEGAL, criminal aliens
without their INSTEAD applying for it through proper
channels and EARNING it would be a massive **insult**
to the millions who did it the RIGHT and LEGAL way.
(6) Urge your Congressperson to SUPPORT H.R. 1940.
More information:
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If the URL doesn't work, combine its components,
below, in your browser:
http://
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2008/01/almost-all-of-usas-14-million-illegal.html
And here's a real EYE-OPENER!! --
http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
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Lord Vetinari
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:12 am Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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| Quote: | On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:25:46 -0500,
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrot:
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence." ?After all, a person
can quietly do or think whatever he wants during those times.
Some may choose to pray. ?So what? ?Harmless! ?Because NO
one is being FORCED to use the time for that purpose, and
thus there is NO violation of the principl;e of the separation
of church and state.
You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
I taught school for 10 years.
Just what the world needs - A foaming at the mouth xian
"teaching" our children.
Not only did I *NEVER* talk about religion in school, being a FIRM
believer in church-state separation, I never even would have had the
slightest DESIRE to.
That would make you a faulty xian, then, wouldn't it?
FUNDIES/RRR Cultists think so. But I couldn't care less what those
control-freakish PSEUDO-Christians think of me. The more they DON'T
like me, the more I like it. Means I'm doing my job right as an egali-
tarian.
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I'll be damned! Crazy Chilto0n actually manages to present new evidence in
nearly every post, that he is not only a loon, but pig-ignorant, too.
Crazy boy, why don't you go borrow a dictionary, and look up the word
"egalitarian". Try not to have a heart attack, once you learn what it
means.
| Quote: | (And just for the record, only a mere 6% of USA's *professing*
Christians are RRR Cultists. They comprise one VERY squeaky wheel!
Per Gallup Poll, 83% of Americans profess Christianity, so the other
77% of Americans are mostly everyone's fair-minded, sensible, reas-
onably tolerant, unobtrusive, and work-a-day next-door neighbors.
As Christians, we often are unfairly painted with the brush of bigotry
that only the RRR Cultists have earned and deserve.
Even though my school never had any "moments of silence,"
I know that MOST such "moments" take place during home room,
when attendance is being taken.
Where it happens, it tends to be in the same block of time in
which our (corrupted since 1954) Pledge is recited.
There is no good reason to say the freaking pledge in school in the
first
place, and most of the schools that I've attended didn't do it at all.
Not
all schools waste students' time with such trivialities.
I'm WITH you on THAT!! It is a nonsensical ritual.
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And yet, you can't seem to give up YOUR meaningless rituals.
| Quote: | You know no such thing. Unless you kept getting moved around ...
you won't know much about more than a fraction of a percent of
the schools in the U.S., let alone worldwide.
The topic came up from time to time in teacher conferences. Not
as propositions; just chat among teachers. I saw no reason to think
it was any different, from what Idescribed, in the public schools of
California or New York State.
Idle gossip...IOW, anecdotal "evidence". There is every reason to
believe
that things are not the same in different schools. Ferex, I never had a
grammar class, because the school I transferred from hadn't gotten that
far
in the ciriculum, and the new school had already finished with it. These
were both in the same school district.-
That can happen easily. Generally, though, whatever the pace,
most teachers cover the whole curriculum by the time the school
year ends.
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There you go again, trying to veer away from the subject at hand.
For someone claiming to have been a teacher for ten years, you certainly
demonstrate little knowledge of how the school system works.
| Quote: | [ ... ]
Moreover, what you've described isn't what really happens
during those moments of so-called silence. They aren't just a
'moment' and in practice they aren't limited to a minute either.
In any instance where it would be longer than a minute, that
WOULD be a waste of time that could b better spent doing just
about ANYTHING else.
That I'm even _reading_ your tripe is a statement of just how
little I have to do today. It's time better spent twiddling my thumbs,
you know.
LOL!!!! **YOU** probably WOULD be!
Let me just respond with something that makes just as much sense
as your reply:
"I was in the kitchen
Seamus, that's the dog, was outside
well I was in the kitchen
Seamus, my own hound, was outside
well you know the sun was sinking slowly
and my own hound-dog sat right down and cried"
They aren't really silent and they're definitely not visually
neutral: there's the ostentatious opening of bibles, the lips
moving, the murmur, and the busybody monitoring of what
others are doing.
Sensible people should not only be aware of such nonsense,
but they ALSO should report such instances to the ACLU, with
complete descriptions of what was observed.
You can't have it both ways.
I would only want it ONE way. Church/state separation. I'd
probably suggest that the students use the time to plan their tasks
for the day.
You're crackers, son. You've already indicated your support of this
BS, yet you claim to favor the seperation of church & state. Try again,
once more with feeling.
You're totally missing my point. I was pointing out that a "moment
of silence," if that's ALL that it was -- while being silly and
unnecessary
-- is harmless. Obviously, though, when such silliness is associated
directly with religion, as in the scenario described by Jenny, THAT
goes 'WAY over the line, is very wrong, and probably unconstitutional.
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I missed nothing of the sort. The only reason that any of these "moment of
silence" attempts ever succeed, is because the nasty little xians behind
them are SLLOOOOOOWWWWLLLY catching on to the fact that their own words have
been convicting them. No one with any brains at all fails to see what the
real point of pushing this crap is.
| Quote: | The result is peer pressure to pray, and retaliation against
those who don't at least pretend to do so.
That is inexcusable. And KUDOS to any students who would
have the backbone to openly REBEL against that by speaking out
against it.
Such empathy. This is the "thinking" of a bully. You find it
impossible to understand those who cannot stand up to abuse.
As a teacher, I always encouraged my student to develop as
individuals, and RESIST yielding to peer pressure. The real "bully"
is peer pressure.
So, you're saying that bullying by students and teachers doesn't
exist, eh? I'm not at all surprised that you have this problem.
This has nothing to do with actual bullying, per se. I was saying
that wielding peer pressure (as opposed to beating people up or
otherwise intimidating them) is a FORM of bullying.
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T'ain't watcha said, son. You're a silly revisionist.
| Quote: | Fortunately, many people grow up having NO regard or respect
for it, as I did. Same for most forms of what is now called "political
correctness."
You're kinda warped. No one is immune to peer pressure, and peer
pressure is not the negative thing that you're assuming it to be.
I probably come closer to being immune to peer pressure than
anyone you'll ever meet. The fact that I don't wear weird clothes
and stuff like that has to do with my personal tastes... NOT out of
concern for what people would think of me.
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You kill me, boy. Why don't you take your act on the road? The world is
_looking_ for more comedy.
| Quote: | Peer pressure, when used for good, can save lives. If you can't
figure out how, I'll take that as further proof that you really are as
ignorant as your appear to be.
Conformity with beneficial aspects of society can be very good,
but only when people are not COERCED to conform.
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How do YOU tell when?
| Quote: | On my office wall is a sign that reads:
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
... is just as Curable as any
other form of Insanity.
That could be taken in more than one way.
I've made it petty evident what that way would be.
Thus, my staff is reminded of that as well.
Overall, your argument is no better than that of those who
say reciting the Pledge is harmless, because no one has to say
the words they object to.
I don't think the Pledge should be used at all until the day
comes when the words "under god" (without which everyone
did just fine for over half a century!) are ruled to be unconstitu-
tional.
You just can't make up your mind, can you.
Just because I was required to have the kids recite the
1954-corrupted Pledge didn't mean that I agreed with it.
Uh-huh. Right. Sure. If at all true, then you've proven yourself
to be a hypocrite...y ou've not the backbone to stand up for what
you "believe".
If you mean that I should have gone to the mat against the
school board against having the kids recite the Pledge, then I'm
not to sure you know the difference between yielding to peer
pressure and following established rules and laws.
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On your feet, or on your knees...
When they kick out your front door,
how you gonna come?
With your hands on your head,
or on the trigger of your gun
When the law break in,
how you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement,
or waiting in death row
Undermine their pompous authority, reject their moral standards, make
anarchy and disorder your trademarks. Cause as much chaos and disruption as
possible, but don't let them take you alive.
| Quote: | In both cases, an example is set and the pressure to
conform can be intense.
Young Chilton's intensely narrow view brings him complete
blindness to this.
I know that in many cases, my encouragement to the kids
not to yield to peer pressure really worked. Kids can be pretty
smart. You'd be amazed at what happens when you help them
come to the realization that just "going alonng with the crowd"
can be downright stupid.
_I'd_ be amazed? Son, you don't know me at all. My son has
grown to adulthood, having been trained all of his life to think for
himself.
Good for him and good for you!
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If you keep up at this rate, I'll have to take back one of the things I've
said about you.
| Quote: | Yes, his failure to accept institutional brainwashing has caused
him some grief, while in school, but he can proudly say that he
neither bent, nor broken under that pressure.
Very commendable!! Then you can understand what I tried to
impart to my students, and what I *did* impart to my own three,
now-adult, kids.
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I really hope that that's true. If you'd only stop raving about "the RRR
cult", you might even get taken seriously at times.
| Quote: | In everything you said, wherever it occurs, I agree with
YOU 100%!
You contradict yourself, due to your cognitive dissonance. One
cannot both defend the "moment of silence" and reject it at the
same time.
I see no reason to argue with a "moment of silence" if that
is ALL that it is -- and is NOT abused as Jenny described.
Back on _that_ kick again, eh? You're either naïve as hell, or are
dissembling to a high degree.
See above. A "moment of silence" would be a silly and unnecessary
ritual if that is ALL it is. And uncalled-for if associated with
religion.
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Well, *DUH*. The only reason these cretins are trying to push this little
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:17 am Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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| Quote: | On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:33:29 -0500,
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
If you face yourself, you may come to learn that your public
face is not that of any sort of liberal. You and your bagpipes.
Really? And just HOW MANY conservatives/Neocons do YOU
know who steadfastly support and defend abortion rights, same-
sex marriage for gays, and who totally oppose ALL forms of
censorship?
Just you, no one else.
Your being delusional is duly noted and recorded.
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Naw, ain't delusional at all, anymore. My meds took care of _that_.
| Quote: | I mostly stay away from rabid right-wingers, because they usually
can't talk about much of anything with one of a liberal POV, ...
THAT's the UNDERstatement of the year! RRR cult lemmings are
some of the most clueless and brainwashed dolts on the planet.
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As much as you rave about "RRR cult", I can't recall you having ever
explained at all, just what you're raving _about_. Just for once, why don't
you explain what this "RRR cult" you're referring to is.
| Quote: | ...without becoming dangerously enraged.
Dangerous to their own blood pressure, perhaps. Sensible
people simply laugh at them. (And, of course, keep right on
opposing their hateful and ignorant agendas.)
I know at least one exception, though...he's one of that rare
breed, a conservative xian, who is also a thinking man.
Let me guess: Billy Graham? I really ADMIRE him!!
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I just bet.
| Quote: | You should read my blogs. You might learn something.
I already read far too much of your crap.
TRANSLATION: "Don't confuse me with the facts."
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Your translator is broken, just like your RRR record.
| Quote: | It'd be interesting to see if you could counter ANY of
the points I've made in those articles. (And maybe you
wouldn't want to -- you just might AGREE with them.)
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I can read your crap here, why should I go out of my way to read even more
of it? |
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Lord Vetinari
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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| Quote: | On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:42:11 -0500,
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
But you're not a social liberal.
Either you're LYING again -- or you have NOT read the
articles in my blogs -- almost al of which I wrote.
You might just want to reread what's been said here. Ray's words
are the truth. Now, it might just be that you honestly don't know the
difference between a social liberal, and yourself, but that'd be on you.
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Is this too challenging for you? You aren't any sort of liberal at all.
This is apparent from your ravings about "RRR cult", and "illegal aliens".
Your support for the "moment of silence" only adds to the evidence.
| Quote: | (Once again. Readers, Ray has displayed his very blatant ignorance.)
Ray lies like a rug about me constantly, and has proven himself
totally CLUELESS when it comes to federal laws against ILLEGAL
entry into the USA, and the penalties that can be exacted for that.
After being challenged on that for weeks, he has NEVER YET
been able to factually counter ANY of the points made in the SIG,
below.
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You're a raving loon. You show quite clearly that you don't understand what
the situation is, you continually post your theistic bagpiping to a.a, and
you wonder why we aren't dancing to your tune. Screaming about illegal
aliens is no part of a liberal point of view. |
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Lord Vetinari
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"Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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J wrote:
What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being compelled to
pray.
http://www.citizenlink.org/CLNews/A000007965.cfm
Good News: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools
Why does the school NEED to lead the entire school into a moment of
silence? Why can't those students that wish to have a moment of silence
simply do so?
It's so that the xians can concentrate on their "Hooked on Phonics"
bibles...of course, they'll be reading aloud, you know.
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Well, it's not as if they actually read the thing at all anyway...
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They do read the parts they've been told to read...whether they understand
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The Nice Mean Man
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:25 am Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On Aug 13, 4:46 am, Jenny6833A <Jenny68...@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 13, 12:48 am, "( ` . Craig Chilton . ) -- Rx for RRR Cult's
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu2...@mchsi.com> wrote:
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence." After all, a person
can quietly do or think whatever he wants during those times.
Some may choose to pray. So what? Harmless! Because NO
one is being FORCED to use the time for that purpose, and
thus there is NO violation of the principl;e of the separation
of church and state.
You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
Moreover, what you've described isn't what really happens during those
moments of so-called silence. They aren't just a 'moment' and in
practice they aren't limited to a minute either. They aren't really
silent and they're definitely not visually neutral: there's the
ostentatious opening of bibles, the lips moving, the murmur, and the
busybody monitoring of what others are doing. The result is peer
pressure to pray, and retaliation against those who don't at least
pretend to do so.
Overall, your argument is no better than that of those who say
reciting the Pledge is harmless, because no one has to say the words
they object to.
In both cases, an example is set and the pressure to conform can be
intense.
:-)
Jenny
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Don't worry about what others do, Jenny. Mind your own affairs and
you'll be a happier person for it. You might even feel like praying on
your own. Without all of that fear, I mean.
You atheists.... you're basically fear-driven people. Why, since God
doesn't have you in His clutches yet....?
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| Quote: | Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote:
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu2...@mchsi.com> wrote:
�No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
Haha... try reading all of the replies in this thread. They are
going ape shit over nothing.
�After all, a person can quietly do or think whatever he wants
during those times. Some may choose to pray. �So what?
�Harmless! �Be
You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
Singular "minute". It teaches children to be quiet for one minute.
One minute/ day = 5 minutes/ week = 1 hour/ term [semester] = 3 hours/ year |
= 33 hours (from age 5 to age 16) = about 5 schooldays (1 week) lost, for
what? Talking to an invisible, improbable, impossible, non-existent sky
fairy?
Smiler,
The godless one
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <23qdup.rt2.19.1@news.alt.net> "J" <Jvisions@live.com> writes:
What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being compelled to
pray.
http://www.citizenlink.org/CLNews/A000007965.cfm
Good News: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools
The Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) has filed a brief with the 5th U.S.
Circuit
Court of Appeals in support of a Texas law that provides for a minute of
silence following the Pledge of Allegiance.
Students can reflect, pray, meditate or engage in silent activity that
does
not distract others.
In other words, the Sovereign State of Texas has now officially
mandated a minute of text-messaging each morning.
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Or (silent and unobtrusive) masturbation?
Smiler,
The godless one
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Sanders Kaufman
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | One minute/ day = 5 minutes/ week = 1 hour/ term [semester] = 3 hours/
year = 33 hours (from age 5 to age 16) = about 5 schooldays (1 week) lost,
for what? Talking to an invisible, improbable, impossible, non-existent
sky fairy?
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Yeah - but as far as the Evangelicals are concerned, that's five days
they'll spend NOT learning.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:51 am Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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"The Nice Mean Man" <hitherandyon@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 13, 4:46 am, Jenny6833A <Jenny68...@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 13, 12:48 am, "( ` . Craig Chilton . ) -- Rx for RRR Cult's
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu2...@mchsi.com> wrote:
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence." After all, a person
can quietly do or think whatever he wants during those times.
Some may choose to pray. So what? Harmless! Because NO
one is being FORCED to use the time for that purpose, and
thus there is NO violation of the principl;e of the separation
of church and state.
You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
Moreover, what you've described isn't what really happens during those
moments of so-called silence. They aren't just a 'moment' and in
practice they aren't limited to a minute either. They aren't really
silent and they're definitely not visually neutral: there's the
ostentatious opening of bibles, the lips moving, the murmur, and the
busybody monitoring of what others are doing. The result is peer
pressure to pray, and retaliation against those who don't at least
pretend to do so.
Overall, your argument is no better than that of those who say
reciting the Pledge is harmless, because no one has to say the words
they object to.
In both cases, an example is set and the pressure to conform can be
intense.
:-)
Jenny
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Don't worry about what others do, Jenny. Mind your own affairs and
you'll be a happier person for it. You might even feel like praying on
your own. Without all of that fear, I mean.
You atheists.... you're basically fear-driven people. Why, since God
doesn't have you in His clutches yet....?
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What fear, moron?
I don't fear dying so much that I have to invent a 'heaven' where I can
supposedly go on living for ever.
I don't fear any supposed gods, as none of them can be shown to exist.
What I do fear is the loonies like you who insist that an invisible,
improbable, impossible, non-existent sky fairy exists other than in your
deluded mind. If they ever got into power, your kind would be burning
atheists at the stake.
Please explain how a non-existent being can get me in 'his' clutches.
Can Harry Potter get you in his clutches? Or Superman? Or leprechauns?
The Nice Mean Man
You're neither nice nor mean.
Smiler,
The godless one
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:51:08 +0100, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
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"The Nice Mean Man" <hitherandyon@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 13, 4:46 am, Jenny6833A <Jenny68...@aol.com> wrote:
On Aug 13, 12:48 am, "( ` . Craig Chilton . ) -- Rx for RRR Cult's
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu2...@mchsi.com> wrote:
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence." After all, a person
can quietly do or think whatever he wants during those times.
Some may choose to pray. So what? Harmless! Because NO
one is being FORCED to use the time for that purpose, and
thus there is NO violation of the principl;e of the separation
of church and state.
You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
Moreover, what you've described isn't what really happens during those
moments of so-called silence. They aren't just a 'moment' and in
practice they aren't limited to a minute either. They aren't really
silent and they're definitely not visually neutral: there's the
ostentatious opening of bibles, the lips moving, the murmur, and the
busybody monitoring of what others are doing. The result is peer
pressure to pray, and retaliation against those who don't at least
pretend to do so.
Overall, your argument is no better than that of those who say
reciting the Pledge is harmless, because no one has to say the words
they object to.
In both cases, an example is set and the pressure to conform can be
intense.
:-)
Jenny
Don't worry about what others do, Jenny. Mind your own affairs and
you'll be a happier person for it. You might even feel like praying on
your own. Without all of that fear, I mean.
You atheists.... you're basically fear-driven people. Why, since God
doesn't have you in His clutches yet....?
============================================
What fear, moron?
I don't fear dying so much that I have to invent a 'heaven' where I can
supposedly go on living for ever.
I don't fear any supposed gods, as none of them can be shown to exist.
What I do fear is the loonies like you who insist that an invisible,
improbable, impossible, non-existent sky fairy exists other than in your
deluded mind. If they ever got into power, your kind would be burning
atheists at the stake.
Please explain how a non-existent being can get me in 'his' clutches.
Can Harry Potter get you in his clutches? Or Superman? Or leprechauns?
The Nice Mean Man
You're neither nice nor mean.
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Just stupid. It's another 'J Young' sock.
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Smiler,
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On Aug 14, 9:57 pm, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:51:08 +0100, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com
wrote:
"The Nice Mean Man" <hitherand...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:8c0537a6-fd9a-4554-8774-bbb8d035d633@j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com....
On Aug 13, 4:46 am, Jenny6833A <Jenny68...@aol.com> wrote:
On Aug 13, 12:48 am, "( ` . Craig Chilton . ) -- Rx for RRR Cult's
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu2...@mchsi.com> wrote:
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence." After all, a person
can quietly do or think whatever he wants during those times.
Some may choose to pray. So what? Harmless! Because NO
one is being FORCED to use the time for that purpose, and
thus there is NO violation of the principl;e of the separation
of church and state.
You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
Moreover, what you've described isn't what really happens during those
moments of so-called silence. They aren't just a 'moment' and in
practice they aren't limited to a minute either. They aren't really
silent and they're definitely not visually neutral: there's the
ostentatious opening of bibles, the lips moving, the murmur, and the
busybody monitoring of what others are doing. The result is peer
pressure to pray, and retaliation against those who don't at least
pretend to do so.
Overall, your argument is no better than that of those who say
reciting the Pledge is harmless, because no one has to say the words
they object to.
In both cases, an example is set and the pressure to conform can be
intense.
:-)
Jenny
Don't worry about what others do, Jenny. Mind your own affairs and
you'll be a happier person for it. You might even feel like praying on
your own. Without all of that fear, I mean.
You atheists.... you're basically fear-driven people. Why, since God
doesn't have you in His clutches yet....?
===========================================> >What fear, moron?
I don't fear dying so much that I have to invent a 'heaven' where I can
supposedly go on living for ever.
I don't fear any supposed gods, as none of them can be shown to exist.
What I do fear is the loonies like you who insist that an invisible,
improbable, impossible, non-existent sky fairy exists other than in your
deluded mind. If they ever got into power, your kind would be burning
atheists at the stake.
Please explain how a non-existent being can get me in 'his' clutches.
Can Harry Potter get you in his clutches? Or Superman? Or leprechauns?
The Nice Mean Man
You're neither nice nor mean.
Just stupid. It's another 'J Young' sock.
Smiler,
The godless one
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"The Nice Mean Man" <hitherandyon@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 13, 4:46 am, Jenny6833A <Jenny68...@aol.com> wrote:
[bzzzzzAAAP]
: > Overall, your argument is no better than that of those who say
: > reciting the Pledge is harmless, because no one has to say the words
: > they object to.
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: > In both cases, an example is set and the pressure to conform can be
: > intense.
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: > Jenny
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: Don't worry about what others do, Jenny. Mind your own affairs and
: you'll be a happier person for it.
How about you demonstrate this?
: You might even feel like preying on your own.
As you xians do? No thanks.
: Without all of that fear, I mean. You atheists.... you're basically
fear-driven people.
That's just a reflection of your distortion of reality.
: Why, since God doesn't have you in His clutches yet....?
Just how many clutches _does_ he have?
: The Nice Mean Man
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Ray Fischer
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
If you face yourself, you may come to learn that your public
face is not that of any sort of liberal. You and your bagpipes.
Really? And just HOW MANY conservatives/Neocons do YOU
know who steadfastly support and defend abortion rights, same-
sex marriage for gays, and who totally oppose ALL forms of
censorship?
Just you, no one else.
Your being delusional is duly noted and recorded.
I mostly stay away from rabid right-wingers, because they usually
can't talk about much of anything with one of a liberal POV, ...
THAT's the UNDERstatement of the year! RRR cult lemmings are
some of the most clueless and brainwashed dolts on the planet.
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You most certainly are. You're such a brainwshed idiot that you hate
"illegal immigrnts for no sane reason and really seem to believe that
Hawaii is the west coast of the US.
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