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 Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being compelled to
pray.
http://www.citizenlink.org/CLNews/A000007965.cfm
Good News: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools
The Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) has filed a brief with the 5th U.S. Circuit
Court of Appeals in support of a Texas law that provides for a minute of
silence following the Pledge of Allegiance.
Students can reflect, pray, meditate or engage in silent activity that does
not distract others. In 2007, some parents sued, claiming the requirement
"causes harm" to their children and violates the First Amendment.
ADF Senior Counsel David Cortman said the parents have failed to demonstrate
that their children have suffered.
"A moment of silence is not a government endorsement of religion just
because someone might use the time for prayer," he said. "No student is
compelled to pray under the Texas law."
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J Young
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On 13 Aug., 06:35, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being compelled to
pray.
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Hypocrite. |
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Jenny6833A
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On Aug 13, 12:48�am, "(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) -- Rx for RRR Cult's
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu2...@mchsi.com> wrote:
| Quote: | �No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence." �After all, a person
can quietly do or think whatever he wants during those times.
Some may choose to pray. �So what? �Harmless! �Because NO
one is being FORCED to use the time for that purpose, and
thus there is NO violation of the principl;e of the separation
of church and state.
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You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
Moreover, what you've described isn't what really happens during those
moments of so-called silence. They aren't just a 'moment' and in
practice they aren't limited to a minute either. They aren't really
silent and they're definitely not visually neutral: there's the
ostentatious opening of bibles, the lips moving, the murmur, and the
busybody monitoring of what others are doing. The result is peer
pressure to pray, and retaliation against those who don't at least
pretend to do so.
Overall, your argument is no better than that of those who say
reciting the Pledge is harmless, because no one has to say the words
they object to.
In both cases, an example is set and the pressure to conform can be
intense.
:-)
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Ray Fischer
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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J <Jvisions@live.com> wrote:
| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of?
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You ultra nazis?
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John Baker
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:35:29 -0400, "J" <Jvisions@live.com> wrote:
| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being compelled to
pray.
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And why should anyone be compelled to be silent while you morons carry
on a one-way conversation with your imaginary friend? Are you afraid
your god won't hear you if someone else is talking? |
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John Locke
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:35:29 -0400, "J" <Jvisions@live.com> wrote:
| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being compelled to
pray.
Why do you religious people always insist on doing this shit in |
public schools ? Go home and take a minute of silence if you
want but keep that crap out of the public school system. Its just
one more sneaky little trick purposely designed to insert religious
insanity into the public school system.
" 'In God We Trust' I don't believe it would
sound any better if it were true." - Samuel Clemens |
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:35:29 -0400,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
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No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence." After all, a person
can quietly do or think whatever he wants during those times.
Some may choose to pray. So what? Harmless! Because NO
one is being FORCED to use the time for that purpose, and
thus there is NO violation of the principl;e of the separation
of church and state.
Of course, the GOOD news in all of this is the fact that the
so-called "Alliance Defense Fund" (of the RRR Cult) totally
WASTED a lot of time, money, and energy dealing with this
triviality, which are resources that they did NOT get to spend
fighting actual personal liberties.
LOL!!! Works for me!!
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
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jcon
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On Aug 12, 11:35 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being compelled to
pray.
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What exactly to you think the minute will accomplish?
Kids don't really need an *uninterrupted" minute to think
about sex and video games. They'll gladly do it while
the teacher is talking.
-jc |
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:46:51 -0700 (PDT),
Jenny6833A <Jenny6833A@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
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<flush cultic crap>
| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence." ?After all, a person
can quietly do or think whatever he wants during those times.
Some may choose to pray. ?So what? ?Harmless! ?Because NO
one is being FORCED to use the time for that purpose, and
thus there is NO violation of the principl;e of the separation
of church and state.
You haven't mentioned the precious teaching minutes wasted.
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I taught school for 10 years. Even though my school never had
any "moments of silence," I know that MOST such "moments" take
place during home room, when attendance is being taken. Thus,
NO teaching minutes are wasted.
| Quote: | Moreover, what you've described isn't what really happens
during those moments of so-called silence. They aren't just a
'moment' and in practice they aren't limited to a minute either.
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In any instance where it would be longer than a minute, that
WOULD be a waste of time that could b better spent doing just
about ANYTHING else.
| Quote: | They aren't really silent and they're definitely not visually
neutral: there's the ostentatious opening of bibles, the lips
moving, the murmur, and the busybody monitoring of what
others are doing.
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Sensible people should not only be aware of such nonsense,
but they ALSO should report such instances to the ACLU, with
complete descriptions of what was observed.
| Quote: | The result is peer pressure to pray, and retaliation against
those who don't at least pretend to do so.
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That is inexcusable. And KUDOS to any students who would
have the backbone to openly REBEL against that by speaking out
against it.
| Quote: | Overall, your argument is no better than that of those who
say reciting the Pledge is harmless, because no one has to say
the words they object to.
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I don't think the Pledge should be used at all until the day
comes when the words "under god" (without which everyone
did just fine for over half a century!) are ruled to be unconstitu-
tional.
| Quote: | In both cases, an example is set and the pressure to
conform can be intense.
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In everything you said, wherever it occurs, I agree with
YOU 100%!
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry. |
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DanielSan
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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J wrote:
| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being compelled to
pray.
http://www.citizenlink.org/CLNews/A000007965.cfm
Good News: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools
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Why does the school NEED to lead the entire school into a moment of
silence? Why can't those students that wish to have a moment of silence
simply do so?
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Cary Kittrell
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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In article <23qdup.rt2.19.1@news.alt.net> "J" <Jvisions@live.com> writes:
| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being compelled to
pray.
http://www.citizenlink.org/CLNews/A000007965.cfm
Good News: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools
The Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) has filed a brief with the 5th U.S. Circuit
Court of Appeals in support of a Texas law that provides for a minute of
silence following the Pledge of Allegiance.
Students can reflect, pray, meditate or engage in silent activity that does
not distract others.
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In other words, the Sovereign State of Texas has now officially
mandated a minute of text-messaging each morning.
-- cary
| Quote: | In 2007, some parents sued, claiming the requirement
"causes harm" to their children and violates the First Amendment.
ADF Senior Counsel David Cortman said the parents have failed to demonstrate
that their children have suffered.
"A moment of silence is not a government endorsement of religion just
because someone might use the time for prayer," he said. "No student is
compelled to pray under the Texas law."
--
J Young
Jvisions@live.com
Owner of 'LC'
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Father Haskell
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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On Aug 13, 12:35 am, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being compelled to
pray.
http://www.citizenlink.org/CLNews/A000007965.cfm
Good News: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools
The Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) has filed a brief with the 5th U.S. Circuit
Court of Appeals in support of a Texas law that provides for a minute of
silence following the Pledge of Allegiance.
Students can reflect, pray, meditate or engage in silent activity that does
not distract others. In 2007, some parents sued, claiming the requirement
"causes harm" to their children and violates the First Amendment.
ADF Senior Counsel David Cortman said the parents have failed to demonstrate
that their children have suffered.
"A moment of silence is not a government endorsement of religion just
because someone might use the time for prayer," he said. "No student is
compelled to pray under the Texas law."
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I can pray silently to Satan, then? It harms no one,
and no one is compelled to do likewise. |
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Mr. B
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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J wrote:
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What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being compelled to
pray.
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Except that a specifically designated moment of silence is a prayer,
especially when it follows up on the pledge of allegiance. This is not a
case about allowing individual students to have a moment of silence
following the pledge; it is a case of a mandatory moment of silence that
everyone must participate in.
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Students can reflect, pray, meditate or engage in silent activity that
does not distract others. In 2007, some parents sued, claiming the
requirement "causes harm" to their children and violates the First
Amendment.
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This is a violation of the establishment clause, plain and simple. Moments
of silence are inherently religious, no matter how you try to portray them.
-- B |
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LC
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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Lookin' for love in all the wrong places, "J" <Jvisions@live.com> wrote in
message news:23qdup.rt2.19.1@news.alt.net...
| Quote: | What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being compelled to
pray.
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Now THAT's funny, coming from an attention-whore troll who persists in his
idiotic blather despite repeated requests to go away.
"This is how you spend your free time? You really need to get a life."
From: jdyoung1@volcanomail.com (Jon Young), no brains, no life.
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Lord Vetinari
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: ADF Defends Moment of Silence in Texas Schools |
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"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
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| Quote: | On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:35:29 -0400,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner"" <Jvisions@live.com> AGAIN
PARROTED the RRR Cult:
What exactly are ultra-liberals afraid of? No one is being
compelled to pray.
No social liberal that I've ever known, myself included, has
any objection to "moments of silence."
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If you face yourself, you may come to learn that your public face is not
that of any sort of liberal. You and your bagpipes.
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