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On 20 Sep, 14:44, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:37 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"root" <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 20, 2:27 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"root" <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 20, 12:16 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain
DruidE...@cablenet.ie
wrote:
On Sep 18, 7:42 pm, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:15 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
I am only right for me!!!!
When I was initiated into modern Druidry in the mid
eighties,
my
teacher,
one Glen Mc Donaghue
instructed me that the Order that he was a part of called
themselves
Druids,
while all along admitting to any and all that they just
modeled
themselves
on what the thought the ancient Druids might have thought
and
done.
I bought into his teachings hook. line and sinker.
Some reflection on the ethics of calling ourselves Druids
is
in my
opinion
not such a bad idea.
When ol charlie comes on and says a Druid is this and that
and
goes
on about
truth, I just shake my head and smile.
Who is charlie or anyone else including myself to say what
real
Druids or
real Druidry is all about?
Jim
The logical conclusion is that 'real druidry', if it exists,
cannot
go
public, not yet.
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
That position suits you as you don't seem to know much.
I know almost nothing.
golwg
Matthew
Can we agree that "Druidry" is not quite ready for prime time????
How should I know?
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
Reading ARD should give you a clue!
OK, "Druidry" is not ready for primetime, and the primetime audience
is not ready for "Druidry".
golwg
Matthew- Hide quoted text -
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OK, I'd go with that. Mind you, I've never been happy with the idea of
a primetime audience anyway. :-/
Kevin
I watched the movie "Chocolat" again last evening. Just this morning I
was
thinking how the Pop or prime time audience would not really relate to
it.
I see Druidry similarly, in that there is a very popular version and then
there
are the less attractive to the common consciousness manifestations.
Jim- Hide quoted text -
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Sounds about right. It would be pretty impossible to make my tradition
into a mass consumption article without causing it serious damage, and
thus making it into something very different. It's not even worth
consideration.
I rather liked Amelie. :-)
Kevin
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Interesting how a town can change. Did you pickup on the town priest and the
Gypsy tinker both being Irish?
Unless I have it all wrong, pop modern Druidry is simply a paraphrasing of
Christianity. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Am I right? |
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On Sep 20, 3:59 pm, Kevin <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | On 20 Sep, 14:44, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:37 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"root" <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190295024.191976.173820@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 20, 2:27 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"root" <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 20, 12:16 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@cablenet.ie
wrote:
On Sep 18, 7:42 pm, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:15 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
I am only right for me!!!!
When I was initiated into modern Druidry in the mid eighties, my
teacher,
one Glen Mc Donaghue
instructed me that the Order that he was a part of called
themselves
Druids,
while all along admitting to any and all that they just modeled
themselves
on what the thought the ancient Druids might have thought and
done.
I bought into his teachings hook. line and sinker.
Some reflection on the ethics of calling ourselves Druids is in my
opinion
not such a bad idea.
When ol charlie comes on and says a Druid is this and that and
goes
on about
truth, I just shake my head and smile.
Who is charlie or anyone else including myself to say what real
Druids or
real Druidry is all about?
Jim
The logical conclusion is that 'real druidry', if it exists, cannot
go
public, not yet.
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
That position suits you as you don't seem to know much.
I know almost nothing.
golwg
Matthew
Can we agree that "Druidry" is not quite ready for prime time????
How should I know?
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
Reading ARD should give you a clue!
OK, "Druidry" is not ready for primetime, and the primetime audience
is not ready for "Druidry".
golwg
Matthew- Hide quoted text -
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It needs more sex and violence.  Reality TV plus sacrificing
virgins at the crossroads? That do it?
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I dunno, but I think something cheesy along the lines of suckering to
popular environmental concerns would work really well.
golwg
Matthew |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: Re: Am I right? |
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On 20 Sep, 18:18, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190304763.105007.129570@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On 20 Sep, 16:59, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190301704.411728.299450@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 20 Sep, 14:44, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:37 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"root" <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190295024.191976.173820@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 20, 2:27 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"root" <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190287735.260865.208270@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 20, 12:16 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain
DruidE...@cablenet.ie
wrote:
On Sep 18, 7:42 pm, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:15 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
I am only right for me!!!!
When I was initiated into modern Druidry in the mid
eighties,
my
teacher,
one Glen Mc Donaghue
instructed me that the Order that he was a part of called
themselves
Druids,
while all along admitting to any and all that they just
modeled
themselves
on what the thought the ancient Druids might have thought
and
done.
I bought into his teachings hook. line and sinker.
Some reflection on the ethics of calling ourselves Druids
is
in my
opinion
not such a bad idea.
When ol charlie comes on and says a Druid is this and that
and
goes
on about
truth, I just shake my head and smile.
Who is charlie or anyone else including myself to say what
real
Druids or
real Druidry is all about?
Jim
The logical conclusion is that 'real druidry', if it exists,
cannot
go
public, not yet.
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
That position suits you as you don't seem to know much.
I know almost nothing.
golwg
Matthew
Can we agree that "Druidry" is not quite ready for prime time????
How should I know?
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
Reading ARD should give you a clue!
OK, "Druidry" is not ready for primetime, and the primetime audience
is not ready for "Druidry".
golwg
Matthew- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
OK, I'd go with that. Mind you, I've never been happy with the idea of
a primetime audience anyway. :-/
Kevin
I watched the movie "Chocolat" again last evening. Just this morning I
was
thinking how the Pop or prime time audience would not really relate to
it.
I see Druidry similarly, in that there is a very popular version and then
there
are the less attractive to the common consciousness manifestations.
Jim- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sounds about right. It would be pretty impossible to make my tradition
into a mass consumption article without causing it serious damage, and
thus making it into something very different. It's not even worth
consideration.
I rather liked Amelie. :-)
Kevin
Interesting how a town can change. Did you pickup on the town priest and the
Gypsy tinker both being Irish?
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In Chocolat? Haven't seen it yet.
| Quote: | Unless I have it all wrong, pop modern Druidry is simply a paraphrasing of
Christianity.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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Most of what I've seen offering itself as druidry or druidism - in
orders or out of them - leaves me cold. The oldest seems to be a New
Age working of what started out as Freemasonry with a Celtic tinge,
whilst the worst is so fluffy and New Age that it will never fill your
stomach, but the sugar content will rot your teeth. Was reading
something the other day where the argument revolved around whether or
not one should wear a sword for rituals case one frightened the
fairies away. versus it looking impressive for the Press. Trust me,
there are much much worse out there, and in some cases the collective
IQ can drop to the smallest individual size in shoes. On occasions,
they've imported the Rede - I have actually told someone before now
that a Rede is what a dyslexic druid uses to thatch his roof, and they
got all upset at my nastiness. ] Then there's the "Well, the druids
all got wiped out, so nobody knows what they taught or believed, so I
can do whatever I want, you can't prove that it's not druidism, and
it's my right to call it what I like!" Cue waving a 'Celtic'
dreamcatcher around, and Isis rubbing shoulders with the Dagda in a
very odd construction. <boggle!>
However, this is out on the fluffy bunny extremes of wiccans deciding
that they're druids and telling you that you're doing it all wrong.
There's rather a lot of them about. :-/ I suspect that someone should
call Rentokil. ] The Orders that I've run across casually don't
seem to quite as bad - though some boggle me by saying that you can be
a Christian and a druid. Well, sure I take the point about it being a
philosophy, but from my POV even the philosophy is antithetical to
Christianity. At the very least, you're going to be an heretic in the
Pelagian mould. About the only way the philosophy could be compatible
is if you violently hammered Christianity out of shape, or you adopted
a philosophy compatible with Christianity, in which case it is just
Christianity with funny gods.
Anyway, from what little I've seen of Orders, I still wouldn't join
them. Not even if you paid me. They can go one way, and I'll go the
other.
As for the loopy end, it seems to me to be Christianity Lite without
any of that patriarchal nonsense, without ten commandments telling you
what to do, and some bossy old geezer sitting on a cloud watching you.
Just put on a nightdress, apply a little knotwork, invent yourself a
faux-Irish or faux-Welsh name [preferably one that translates as
"blithering idiot" for other folks' amusement], blather on
witlessly about Lugh, write very bad poetry, and there you go -
instant druid! :-)
Actually the not-so-loopy end tends to be like that as well - just not
quite as obviously potty.
Odd thing - many pagans I've run across seem to be running from
Christianity, rather than running to something. Of course, they want
something familiar but different to fetch up with.
Kevin |
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Mairtin O'Druachain
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: Re: Am I right? |
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On Sep 20, 8:16 pm, Kevin <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | On 20 Sep, 18:18, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190304763.105007.129570@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On 20 Sep, 16:59, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190301704.411728.299450@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 20 Sep, 14:44, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:37 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"root" <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190295024.191976.173820@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 20, 2:27 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"root" <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190287735.260865.208270@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 20, 12:16 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain
DruidE...@cablenet.ie
wrote:
On Sep 18, 7:42 pm, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:15 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
I am only right for me!!!!
When I was initiated into modern Druidry in the mid
eighties,
my
teacher,
one Glen Mc Donaghue
instructed me that the Order that he was a part of called
themselves
Druids,
while all along admitting to any and all that they just
modeled
themselves
on what the thought the ancient Druids might have thought
and
done.
I bought into his teachings hook. line and sinker.
Some reflection on the ethics of calling ourselves Druids
is
in my
opinion
not such a bad idea.
When ol charlie comes on and says a Druid is this and that
and
goes
on about
truth, I just shake my head and smile.
Who is charlie or anyone else including myself to say what
real
Druids or
real Druidry is all about?
Jim
The logical conclusion is that 'real druidry', if it exists,
cannot
go
public, not yet.
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
That position suits you as you don't seem to know much.
I know almost nothing.
golwg
Matthew
Can we agree that "Druidry" is not quite ready for prime time????
How should I know?
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
Reading ARD should give you a clue!
OK, "Druidry" is not ready for primetime, and the primetime audience
is not ready for "Druidry".
golwg
Matthew- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
OK, I'd go with that. Mind you, I've never been happy with the idea of
a primetime audience anyway. :-/
Kevin
I watched the movie "Chocolat" again last evening. Just this morning I
was
thinking how the Pop or prime time audience would not really relate to
it.
I see Druidry similarly, in that there is a very popular version and then
there
are the less attractive to the common consciousness manifestations.
Jim- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sounds about right. It would be pretty impossible to make my tradition
into a mass consumption article without causing it serious damage, and
thus making it into something very different. It's not even worth
consideration.
I rather liked Amelie. :-)
Kevin
Interesting how a town can change. Did you pickup on the town priest and the
Gypsy tinker both being Irish?
In Chocolat? Haven't seen it yet.
Unless I have it all wrong, pop modern Druidry is simply a paraphrasing of
Christianity.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Most of what I've seen offering itself as druidry or druidism - in
orders or out of them - leaves me cold. The oldest seems to be a New
Age working of what started out as Freemasonry with a Celtic tinge,
whilst the worst is so fluffy and New Age that it will never fill your
stomach, but the sugar content will rot your teeth. Was reading
something the other day where the argument revolved around whether or
not one should wear a sword for rituals case one frightened the
fairies away. versus it looking impressive for the Press. Trust me,
there are much much worse out there, and in some cases the collective
IQ can drop to the smallest individual size in shoes. On occasions,
they've imported the Rede - I have actually told someone before now
that a Rede is what a dyslexic druid uses to thatch his roof, and they
got all upset at my nastiness. ] Then there's the "Well, the druids
all got wiped out, so nobody knows what they taught or believed, so I
can do whatever I want, you can't prove that it's not druidism, and
it's my right to call it what I like!" Cue waving a 'Celtic'
dreamcatcher around, and Isis rubbing shoulders with the Dagda in a
very odd construction. <boggle!
However, this is out on the fluffy bunny extremes of wiccans deciding
that they're druids and telling you that you're doing it all wrong.
There's rather a lot of them about. :-/ I suspect that someone should
call Rentokil. ] The Orders that I've run across casually don't
seem to quite as bad - though some boggle me by saying that you can be
a Christian and a druid. Well, sure I take the point about it being a
philosophy, but from my POV even the philosophy is antithetical to
Christianity. At the very least, you're going to be an heretic in the
Pelagian mould. About the only way the philosophy could be compatible
is if you violently hammered Christianity out of shape, or you adopted
a philosophy compatible with Christianity, in which case it is just
Christianity with funny gods.
Anyway, from what little I've seen of Orders, I still wouldn't join
them. Not even if you paid me. They can go one way, and I'll go the
other.
As for the loopy end, it seems to me to be Christianity Lite without
any of that patriarchal nonsense, without ten commandments telling you
what to do, and some bossy old geezer sitting on a cloud watching you.
Just put on a nightdress, apply a little knotwork, invent yourself a
faux-Irish or faux-Welsh name [preferably one that translates as
"blithering idiot" for other folks' amusement], blather on
witlessly about Lugh, write very bad poetry, and there you go -
instant druid! :-)
Actually the not-so-loopy end tends to be like that as well - just not
quite as obviously potty.
Odd thing - many pagans I've run across seem to be running from
Christianity, rather than running to something. Of course, they want
something familiar but different to fetch up with.
Kevin
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I am Druid. I am none of the things you jest about, there are many
more that I know of my brother and sister Druids like me. And,
funnily, out in circle in the grove, in practice Druidry works.
It will never work out on your keyboard, in your armchair, or even in
your head.
Druidry works in out everyday lives. Druid works out on the Land too,
when sometimes the sunset becomes the face of God. |
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Mairtin O'Druachain
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:39 am Post subject: Re: Am I right? |
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On Sep 20, 8:16 pm, Kevin <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | On 20 Sep, 18:18, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190304763.105007.129570@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On 20 Sep, 16:59, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1190301704.411728.299450@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 20 Sep, 14:44, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:37 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"root" <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190295024.191976.173820@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 20, 2:27 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"root" <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190287735.260865.208270@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 20, 12:16 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain
DruidE...@cablenet.ie
wrote:
On Sep 18, 7:42 pm, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:15 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
I am only right for me!!!!
When I was initiated into modern Druidry in the mid
eighties,
my
teacher,
one Glen Mc Donaghue
instructed me that the Order that he was a part of called
themselves
Druids,
while all along admitting to any and all that they just
modeled
themselves
on what the thought the ancient Druids might have thought
and
done.
I bought into his teachings hook. line and sinker.
Some reflection on the ethics of calling ourselves Druids
is
in my
opinion
not such a bad idea.
When ol charlie comes on and says a Druid is this and that
and
goes
on about
truth, I just shake my head and smile.
Who is charlie or anyone else including myself to say what
real
Druids or
real Druidry is all about?
Jim
The logical conclusion is that 'real druidry', if it exists,
cannot
go
public, not yet.
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
That position suits you as you don't seem to know much.
I know almost nothing.
golwg
Matthew
Can we agree that "Druidry" is not quite ready for prime time????
How should I know?
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
Reading ARD should give you a clue!
OK, "Druidry" is not ready for primetime, and the primetime audience
is not ready for "Druidry".
golwg
Matthew- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
OK, I'd go with that. Mind you, I've never been happy with the idea of
a primetime audience anyway. :-/
Kevin
I watched the movie "Chocolat" again last evening. Just this morning I
was
thinking how the Pop or prime time audience would not really relate to
it.
I see Druidry similarly, in that there is a very popular version and then
there
are the less attractive to the common consciousness manifestations.
Jim- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sounds about right. It would be pretty impossible to make my tradition
into a mass consumption article without causing it serious damage, and
thus making it into something very different. It's not even worth
consideration.
I rather liked Amelie. :-)
Kevin
Interesting how a town can change. Did you pickup on the town priest and the
Gypsy tinker both being Irish?
In Chocolat? Haven't seen it yet.
Unless I have it all wrong, pop modern Druidry is simply a paraphrasing of
Christianity.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Most of what I've seen offering itself as druidry or druidism - in
orders or out of them - leaves me cold. The oldest seems to be a New
Age working of what started out as Freemasonry with a Celtic tinge,
whilst the worst is so fluffy and New Age that it will never fill your
stomach, but the sugar content will rot your teeth. Was reading
something the other day where the argument revolved around whether or
not one should wear a sword for rituals case one frightened the
fairies away. versus it looking impressive for the Press. Trust me,
there are much much worse out there, and in some cases the collective
IQ can drop to the smallest individual size in shoes. On occasions,
they've imported the Rede - I have actually told someone before now
that a Rede is what a dyslexic druid uses to thatch his roof, and they
got all upset at my nastiness. ] Then there's the "Well, the druids
all got wiped out, so nobody knows what they taught or believed, so I
can do whatever I want, you can't prove that it's not druidism, and
it's my right to call it what I like!" Cue waving a 'Celtic'
dreamcatcher around, and Isis rubbing shoulders with the Dagda in a
very odd construction. <boggle!
However, this is out on the fluffy bunny extremes of wiccans deciding
that they're druids and telling you that you're doing it all wrong.
There's rather a lot of them about. :-/ I suspect that someone should
call Rentokil. ] The Orders that I've run across casually don't
seem to quite as bad - though some boggle me by saying that you can be
a Christian and a druid. Well, sure I take the point about it being a
philosophy, but from my POV even the philosophy is antithetical to
Christianity. At the very least, you're going to be an heretic in the
Pelagian mould. About the only way the philosophy could be compatible
is if you violently hammered Christianity out of shape, or you adopted
a philosophy compatible with Christianity, in which case it is just
Christianity with funny gods.
Anyway, from what little I've seen of Orders, I still wouldn't join
them. Not even if you paid me. They can go one way, and I'll go the
other.
As for the loopy end, it seems to me to be Christianity Lite without
any of that patriarchal nonsense, without ten commandments telling you
what to do, and some bossy old geezer sitting on a cloud watching you.
Just put on a nightdress, apply a little knotwork, invent yourself a
faux-Irish or faux-Welsh name [preferably one that translates as
"blithering idiot" for other folks' amusement], blather on
witlessly about Lugh, write very bad poetry, and there you go -
instant druid! :-)
Actually the not-so-loopy end tends to be like that as well - just not
quite as obviously potty.
Odd thing - many pagans I've run across seem to be running from
Christianity, rather than running to something. Of course, they want
something familiar but different to fetch up with.
Kevin
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Bury the differences and work on the similarities, Christianity is
doing that all the time.
It did so on the Conversion of Ireland, for instance, and the borders,
the edges of Christianity are becomong more and more blurred.
Get out there and talk to Bishops, Priests and Ministers, I have
found, surprisingly, that some of them listen.
But, Get out there, preferably together with a Circle of Friends. |
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Jim
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:16 am Post subject: Re: Am I right? |
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"Kevin" <laighleas@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On 20 Sep, 18:18, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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On 20 Sep, 16:59, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
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On 20 Sep, 14:44, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:37 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
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On Sep 20, 2:27 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
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On Sep 20, 12:16 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain
DruidE...@cablenet.ie
wrote:
On Sep 18, 7:42 pm, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:15 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
I am only right for me!!!!
When I was initiated into modern Druidry in the mid
eighties,
my
teacher,
one Glen Mc Donaghue
instructed me that the Order that he was a part of
called
themselves
Druids,
while all along admitting to any and all that they just
modeled
themselves
on what the thought the ancient Druids might have
thought
and
done.
I bought into his teachings hook. line and sinker.
Some reflection on the ethics of calling ourselves
Druids
is
in my
opinion
not such a bad idea.
When ol charlie comes on and says a Druid is this and
that
and
goes
on about
truth, I just shake my head and smile.
Who is charlie or anyone else including myself to say
what
real
Druids or
real Druidry is all about?
Jim
The logical conclusion is that 'real druidry', if it
exists,
cannot
go
public, not yet.
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
That position suits you as you don't seem to know much.
I know almost nothing.
golwg
Matthew
Can we agree that "Druidry" is not quite ready for prime
time????
How should I know?
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
Reading ARD should give you a clue!
OK, "Druidry" is not ready for primetime, and the primetime
audience
is not ready for "Druidry".
golwg
Matthew- Hide quoted text -
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OK, I'd go with that. Mind you, I've never been happy with the idea
of
a primetime audience anyway. :-/
Kevin
I watched the movie "Chocolat" again last evening. Just this morning I
was
thinking how the Pop or prime time audience would not really relate to
it.
I see Druidry similarly, in that there is a very popular version and
then
there
are the less attractive to the common consciousness manifestations.
Jim- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sounds about right. It would be pretty impossible to make my tradition
into a mass consumption article without causing it serious damage, and
thus making it into something very different. It's not even worth
consideration.
I rather liked Amelie. :-)
Kevin
Interesting how a town can change. Did you pickup on the town priest and
the
Gypsy tinker both being Irish?
In Chocolat? Haven't seen it yet.
Unless I have it all wrong, pop modern Druidry is simply a paraphrasing
of
Christianity.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Most of what I've seen offering itself as druidry or druidism - in
orders or out of them - leaves me cold. The oldest seems to be a New
Age working of what started out as Freemasonry with a Celtic tinge,
whilst the worst is so fluffy and New Age that it will never fill your
stomach, but the sugar content will rot your teeth. Was reading
something the other day where the argument revolved around whether or
not one should wear a sword for rituals case one frightened the
fairies away. versus it looking impressive for the Press. Trust me,
there are much much worse out there, and in some cases the collective
IQ can drop to the smallest individual size in shoes. On occasions,
they've imported the Rede - I have actually told someone before now
that a Rede is what a dyslexic druid uses to thatch his roof, and they
got all upset at my nastiness. ] Then there's the "Well, the druids
all got wiped out, so nobody knows what they taught or believed, so I
can do whatever I want, you can't prove that it's not druidism, and
it's my right to call it what I like!" Cue waving a 'Celtic'
dreamcatcher around, and Isis rubbing shoulders with the Dagda in a
very odd construction. <boggle!
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Geeze I thought my take on it all was rough!!! :-)
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However, this is out on the fluffy bunny extremes of wiccans deciding
that they're druids and telling you that you're doing it all wrong.
There's rather a lot of them about. :-/ I suspect that someone should
call Rentokil. ] The Orders that I've run across casually don't
seem to quite as bad - though some boggle me by saying that you can be
a Christian and a druid. Well, sure I take the point about it being a
philosophy, but from my POV even the philosophy is antithetical to
Christianity. At the very least, you're going to be an heretic in the
Pelagian mould. About the only way the philosophy could be compatible
is if you violently hammered Christianity out of shape, or you adopted
a philosophy compatible with Christianity, in which case it is just
Christianity with funny gods.
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EXACTLY
| Quote: |
Anyway, from what little I've seen of Orders, I still wouldn't join
them. Not even if you paid me. They can go one way, and I'll go the
other.
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I wish things could get to where it was otherwise. I don't see Masonry as
one bit better however.
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As for the loopy end, it seems to me to be Christianity Lite without
any of that patriarchal nonsense, without ten commandments telling you
what to do, and some bossy old geezer sitting on a cloud watching you.
Just put on a nightdress, apply a little knotwork, invent yourself a
faux-Irish or faux-Welsh name [preferably one that translates as
"blithering idiot" for other folks' amusement], blather on
witlessly about Lugh, write very bad poetry, and there you go -
instant druid!
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There around!!!!
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Actually the not-so-loopy end tends to be like that as well - just not
quite as obviously potty.
Odd thing - many pagans I've run across seem to be running from
Christianity, rather than running to something. Of course, they want
something familiar but different to fetch up with.
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Many on this side of the pond call Druid-ism something for recovering
Christians
or folks rebelling against their parents. More of a sociopathic expression
than anything else.
As I have always said, I do not know any answers or the truth.
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| Quote: | On Sep 20, 8:16 pm, Kevin <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 20 Sep, 18:18, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
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On 20 Sep, 16:59, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
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On 20 Sep, 14:44, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:37 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
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On Sep 20, 2:27 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
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On Sep 20, 12:16 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain
DruidE...@cablenet.ie
wrote:
On Sep 18, 7:42 pm, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:15 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net
wrote:
I am only right for me!!!!
When I was initiated into modern Druidry in the mid
eighties,
my
teacher,
one Glen Mc Donaghue
instructed me that the Order that he was a part of
called
themselves
Druids,
while all along admitting to any and all that they
just
modeled
themselves
on what the thought the ancient Druids might have
thought
and
done.
I bought into his teachings hook. line and sinker.
Some reflection on the ethics of calling ourselves
Druids
is
in my
opinion
not such a bad idea.
When ol charlie comes on and says a Druid is this and
that
and
goes
on about
truth, I just shake my head and smile.
Who is charlie or anyone else including myself to say
what
real
Druids or
real Druidry is all about?
Jim
The logical conclusion is that 'real druidry', if it
exists,
cannot
go
public, not yet.
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
That position suits you as you don't seem to know much.
I know almost nothing.
golwg
Matthew
Can we agree that "Druidry" is not quite ready for prime
time????
How should I know?
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
Reading ARD should give you a clue!
OK, "Druidry" is not ready for primetime, and the primetime
audience
is not ready for "Druidry".
golwg
Matthew- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
OK, I'd go with that. Mind you, I've never been happy with the
idea of
a primetime audience anyway. :-/
Kevin
I watched the movie "Chocolat" again last evening. Just this morning
I
was
thinking how the Pop or prime time audience would not really relate
to
it.
I see Druidry similarly, in that there is a very popular version and
then
there
are the less attractive to the common consciousness manifestations.
Jim- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sounds about right. It would be pretty impossible to make my
tradition
into a mass consumption article without causing it serious damage,
and
thus making it into something very different. It's not even worth
consideration.
I rather liked Amelie. :-)
Kevin
Interesting how a town can change. Did you pickup on the town priest
and the
Gypsy tinker both being Irish?
In Chocolat? Haven't seen it yet.
Unless I have it all wrong, pop modern Druidry is simply a paraphrasing
of
Christianity.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Most of what I've seen offering itself as druidry or druidism - in
orders or out of them - leaves me cold. The oldest seems to be a New
Age working of what started out as Freemasonry with a Celtic tinge,
whilst the worst is so fluffy and New Age that it will never fill your
stomach, but the sugar content will rot your teeth. Was reading
something the other day where the argument revolved around whether or
not one should wear a sword for rituals case one frightened the
fairies away. versus it looking impressive for the Press. Trust me,
there are much much worse out there, and in some cases the collective
IQ can drop to the smallest individual size in shoes. On occasions,
they've imported the Rede - I have actually told someone before now
that a Rede is what a dyslexic druid uses to thatch his roof, and they
got all upset at my nastiness. ] Then there's the "Well, the druids
all got wiped out, so nobody knows what they taught or believed, so I
can do whatever I want, you can't prove that it's not druidism, and
it's my right to call it what I like!" Cue waving a 'Celtic'
dreamcatcher around, and Isis rubbing shoulders with the Dagda in a
very odd construction. <boggle!
However, this is out on the fluffy bunny extremes of wiccans deciding
that they're druids and telling you that you're doing it all wrong.
There's rather a lot of them about. :-/ I suspect that someone should
call Rentokil. ] The Orders that I've run across casually don't
seem to quite as bad - though some boggle me by saying that you can be
a Christian and a druid. Well, sure I take the point about it being a
philosophy, but from my POV even the philosophy is antithetical to
Christianity. At the very least, you're going to be an heretic in the
Pelagian mould. About the only way the philosophy could be compatible
is if you violently hammered Christianity out of shape, or you adopted
a philosophy compatible with Christianity, in which case it is just
Christianity with funny gods.
Anyway, from what little I've seen of Orders, I still wouldn't join
them. Not even if you paid me. They can go one way, and I'll go the
other.
As for the loopy end, it seems to me to be Christianity Lite without
any of that patriarchal nonsense, without ten commandments telling you
what to do, and some bossy old geezer sitting on a cloud watching you.
Just put on a nightdress, apply a little knotwork, invent yourself a
faux-Irish or faux-Welsh name [preferably one that translates as
"blithering idiot" for other folks' amusement], blather on
witlessly about Lugh, write very bad poetry, and there you go -
instant druid! :-)
Actually the not-so-loopy end tends to be like that as well - just not
quite as obviously potty.
Odd thing - many pagans I've run across seem to be running from
Christianity, rather than running to something. Of course, they want
something familiar but different to fetch up with.
Kevin
I am Druid. I am none of the things you jest about, there are many
more that I know of my brother and sister Druids like me. And,
funnily, out in circle in the grove, in practice Druidry works.
It will never work out on your keyboard, in your armchair, or even in
your head.
Druidry works in out everyday lives. Druid works out on the Land too,
when sometimes the sunset becomes the face of God.
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| Quote: | On Sep 20, 3:59 pm, Kevin <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
It needs more sex and violence. Reality TV plus sacrificing
virgins at the crossroads? That do it? :-D
I dunno, but I think something cheesy along the lines of suckering to
popular environmental concerns would work really well.
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Already been done. :-)
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"Kevin" <laighleas@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Most of what I've seen offering itself as druidry or druidism - in
orders or out of them - leaves me cold. The oldest seems to be a New
Age working of what started out as Freemasonry with a Celtic tinge,
whilst the worst is so fluffy and New Age that it will never fill your
stomach, but the sugar content will rot your teeth. Was reading
something the other day where the argument revolved around whether or
not one should wear a sword for rituals case one frightened the
fairies away. versus it looking impressive for the Press. Trust me,
there are much much worse out there, and in some cases the collective
IQ can drop to the smallest individual size in shoes. On occasions,
they've imported the Rede - I have actually told someone before now
that a Rede is what a dyslexic druid uses to thatch his roof, and they
got all upset at my nastiness. ] Then there's the "Well, the druids
all got wiped out, so nobody knows what they taught or believed, so I
can do whatever I want, you can't prove that it's not druidism, and
it's my right to call it what I like!" Cue waving a 'Celtic'
dreamcatcher around, and Isis rubbing shoulders with the Dagda in a
very odd construction. <boggle!
Geeze I thought my take on it all was rough!!!
|
The loonies started coming out of the woodwork here some time in the late
80s-early 90s. Since then - well, the above is a good description of what
I've run into. Most of it fuelled by folks reading a Llewellyn book and/or
swallowing the line that wicca is simply the female side of druidism. Yup!
I've heard that argued. :-/
Actually if you want to wade through piles of crap, just enter the terms
"Celtic pagain", "druid", "druidism", or any related terms into Google. :-(
| Quote: | However, this is out on the fluffy bunny extremes of wiccans deciding
that they're druids and telling you that you're doing it all wrong.
There's rather a lot of them about. :-/ I suspect that someone should
call Rentokil. ] The Orders that I've run across casually don't
seem to quite as bad - though some boggle me by saying that you can be
a Christian and a druid. Well, sure I take the point about it being a
philosophy, but from my POV even the philosophy is antithetical to
Christianity. At the very least, you're going to be an heretic in the
Pelagian mould. About the only way the philosophy could be compatible
is if you violently hammered Christianity out of shape, or you adopted
a philosophy compatible with Christianity, in which case it is just
Christianity with funny gods.
EXACTLY
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:-)
| Quote: | Anyway, from what little I've seen of Orders, I still wouldn't join
them. Not even if you paid me. They can go one way, and I'll go the
other.
I wish things could get to where it was otherwise. I don't see Masonry as
one bit better however.
|
Nope - nothing against the Masons, and masonic or masonic-style
organisations were behind the development of ritual magic and esoteric
thought, but these days they largely have nothing to do with anything
esoteric, and in any case, it was a sort of esoteric Christianity.
Personally I don't think I'm missing out by not joining an order. I'm quite
happy developing the trad I learnt. I could spend my whole life doing that -
or several lifetimes - and still not be done. It's not just philosophising -
I'm not gone on philosophising in a vacuum. There's a very pragmatic,
practical side to it as well. You might say that the philosophising is about
how to go about things, and the practical results yield more to think on.
:-)
| Quote: | As for the loopy end, it seems to me to be Christianity Lite without
any of that patriarchal nonsense, without ten commandments telling you
what to do, and some bossy old geezer sitting on a cloud watching you.
Just put on a nightdress, apply a little knotwork, invent yourself a
faux-Irish or faux-Welsh name [preferably one that translates as
"blithering idiot" for other folks' amusement], blather on
witlessly about Lugh, write very bad poetry, and there you go -
instant druid! :-)
There around!!!!
|
I know - and one guy did actually manage to chose as his "magical druidic
name" something along the lines of "blithering idiot" in Welsh. :-D
| Quote: | Many on this side of the pond call Druid-ism something for recovering
Christians
or folks rebelling against their parents. More of a sociopathic expression
than anything else.
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I think that's often true over here.
Kevin |
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"Kevin" <laighleas@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Most of what I've seen offering itself as druidry or druidism - in
orders or out of them - leaves me cold. The oldest seems to be a New
Age working of what started out as Freemasonry with a Celtic tinge,
whilst the worst is so fluffy and New Age that it will never fill your
stomach, but the sugar content will rot your teeth. Was reading
something the other day where the argument revolved around whether or
not one should wear a sword for rituals case one frightened the
fairies away. versus it looking impressive for the Press. Trust me,
there are much much worse out there, and in some cases the collective
IQ can drop to the smallest individual size in shoes. On occasions,
they've imported the Rede - I have actually told someone before now
that a Rede is what a dyslexic druid uses to thatch his roof, and they
got all upset at my nastiness. ] Then there's the "Well, the druids
all got wiped out, so nobody knows what they taught or believed, so I
can do whatever I want, you can't prove that it's not druidism, and
it's my right to call it what I like!" Cue waving a 'Celtic'
dreamcatcher around, and Isis rubbing shoulders with the Dagda in a
very odd construction. <boggle!
Geeze I thought my take on it all was rough!!! :-)
The loonies started coming out of the woodwork here some time in the late
80s-early 90s. Since then - well, the above is a good description of what
I've run into. Most of it fuelled by folks reading a Llewellyn book and/or
swallowing the line that wicca is simply the female side of druidism. Yup!
I've heard that argued. :-/
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Again, right on.
| Quote: |
Actually if you want to wade through piles of crap, just enter the terms
"Celtic pagain", "druid", "druidism", or any related terms into Google.
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My take on it all as well. Wish it were different.
| Quote: |
However, this is out on the fluffy bunny extremes of wiccans deciding
that they're druids and telling you that you're doing it all wrong.
There's rather a lot of them about. :-/ I suspect that someone should
call Rentokil. ] The Orders that I've run across casually don't
seem to quite as bad - though some boggle me by saying that you can be
a Christian and a druid. Well, sure I take the point about it being a
philosophy, but from my POV even the philosophy is antithetical to
Christianity. At the very least, you're going to be an heretic in the
Pelagian mould. About the only way the philosophy could be compatible
is if you violently hammered Christianity out of shape, or you adopted
a philosophy compatible with Christianity, in which case it is just
Christianity with funny gods.
EXACTLY
:-)
Anyway, from what little I've seen of Orders, I still wouldn't join
them. Not even if you paid me. They can go one way, and I'll go the
other.
I wish things could get to where it was otherwise. I don't see Masonry as
one bit better however.
Nope - nothing against the Masons, and masonic or masonic-style
organisations were behind the development of ritual magic and esoteric
thought, but these days they largely have nothing to do with anything
esoteric, and in any case, it was a sort of esoteric Christianity.
Personally I don't think I'm missing out by not joining an order. I'm
quite happy developing the trad I learnt. I could spend my whole life
doing that - or several lifetimes - and still not be done. It's not just
philosophising - I'm not gone on philosophising in a vacuum. There's a
very pragmatic, practical side to it as well. You might say that the
philosophising is about how to go about things, and the practical results
yield more to think on.
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As I have said so many times before, the Order I belong to call themselves
Druids
but are in fact not Druids at all, but more of an antiquerian folklorist
bunch who
still do the Bonfire Days/Nights. More of a lifestyle than anything else.
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As for the loopy end, it seems to me to be Christianity Lite without
any of that patriarchal nonsense, without ten commandments telling you
what to do, and some bossy old geezer sitting on a cloud watching you.
Just put on a nightdress, apply a little knotwork, invent yourself a
faux-Irish or faux-Welsh name [preferably one that translates as
"blithering idiot" for other folks' amusement], blather on
witlessly about Lugh, write very bad poetry, and there you go -
instant druid! :-)
There around!!!!
I know - and one guy did actually manage to chose as his "magical druidic
name" something along the lines of "blithering idiot" in Welsh. :-D
Many on this side of the pond call Druid-ism something for recovering
Christians
or folks rebelling against their parents. More of a sociopathic
expression than anything else.
I think that's often true over here.
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Except for here on ARD, I keep a real low profile.
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Actually if you want to wade through piles of crap, just enter the terms
"Celtic pagain", "druid", "druidism", or any related terms into Google.
:-(
My take on it all as well. Wish it were different.
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Ah, I'd guess that it's a fashion for some, maybe many.
| Quote: | Many on this side of the pond call Druid-ism something for recovering
Christians
or folks rebelling against their parents. More of a sociopathic
expression than anything else.
I think that's often true over here.
Except for here on ARD, I keep a real low profile.
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I'm not exactly high profile myself, though that's more the case that as far
as most folk are concerned, it's not relevant to the job in hand.
Kevin
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Actually if you want to wade through piles of crap, just enter the terms
"Celtic pagain", "druid", "druidism", or any related terms into Google.
:-(
My take on it all as well. Wish it were different.
Ah, I'd guess that it's a fashion for some, maybe many.
Many on this side of the pond call Druid-ism something for recovering
Christians
or folks rebelling against their parents. More of a sociopathic
expression than anything else.
I think that's often true over here.
Except for here on ARD, I keep a real low profile.
I'm not exactly high profile myself, though that's more the case that as
far as most folk are concerned, it's not relevant to the job in hand.
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Same here plus the Calvinistic mind set that is everywhere these days.
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Actually if you want to wade through piles of crap, just enter the
terms "Celtic pagain", "druid", "druidism", or any related terms into
Google. :-(
My take on it all as well. Wish it were different.
Ah, I'd guess that it's a fashion for some, maybe many.
Many on this side of the pond call Druid-ism something for recovering
Christians
or folks rebelling against their parents. More of a sociopathic
expression than anything else.
I think that's often true over here.
Except for here on ARD, I keep a real low profile.
I'm not exactly high profile myself, though that's more the case that as
far as most folk are concerned, it's not relevant to the job in hand.
Same here plus the Calvinistic mind set that is everywhere these days.
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Can't say that I run into too many Calvinists. Last cleric I ran into
was C of E - though he told me I'd burn in Hell. And a very good day to
him as well. :-)
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:42 am Post subject: Re: Am I right? |
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Actually if you want to wade through piles of crap, just enter the
terms "Celtic pagain", "druid", "druidism", or any related terms into
Google. :-(
My take on it all as well. Wish it were different.
Ah, I'd guess that it's a fashion for some, maybe many.
Many on this side of the pond call Druid-ism something for recovering
Christians
or folks rebelling against their parents. More of a sociopathic
expression than anything else.
I think that's often true over here.
Except for here on ARD, I keep a real low profile.
I'm not exactly high profile myself, though that's more the case that as
far as most folk are concerned, it's not relevant to the job in hand.
Same here plus the Calvinistic mind set that is everywhere these days.
Can't say that I run into too many Calvinists. Last cleric I ran into
was C of E - though he told me I'd burn in Hell. And a very good day
to him as well. :-)
Kevin
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The idiots they threw out of old England have thrived here as hard core
fundamentalist protestants.
I have a neighbor who just thought the world of me till the day I told him I
was not a Christian.
He is a Pentecostal and an out and out criminal.
But once I said I was not a Christian he has avoided me like the plague.
Jim
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Am I right? |
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On Sep 20, 3:18 pm, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 20, 3:05 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@cablenet.ie> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:09 pm, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:01 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@cablenet.ie> wrote:
On Sep 20, 12:28 pm, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 20, 12:16 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@cablenet.ie
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On Sep 18, 7:42 pm, root <matthew149...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:15 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
I am only right for me!!!!
When I was initiated into modern Druidry in the mid eighties, my teacher,
one Glen Mc Donaghue
instructed me that the Order that he was a part of called themselves Druids,
while all along admitting to any and all that they just modeled themselves
on what the thought the ancient Druids might have thought and done.
I bought into his teachings hook. line and sinker.
Some reflection on the ethics of calling ourselves Druids is in my opinion
not such a bad idea.
When ol charlie comes on and says a Druid is this and that and goes on about
truth, I just shake my head and smile.
Who is charlie or anyone else including myself to say what real Druids or
real Druidry is all about?
Jim
The logical conclusion is that 'real druidry', if it exists, cannot go
public, not yet.
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
That position suits you as you don't seem to know much.
I know almost nothing.
golwg
Matthew
And it shows.
At last, someone finally believes me!
You prefer to be "a hurler on a ditch".
Sorry, I don't understand the reference.
golwg
Matthew
The ancient Irish game of hurling, the national sport. A "hurler on
the ditch" is a Know-All watching a game, full of his own opinions,
but reluctant to play, to take part in the action, himself.
Like all English soccer fans that think they can do the manager's job,
and Welsh rugby fans that know how to make it all work better on the
pitch?
I see what you're getting at, but I'm not quite like that.
I am happy for those involved to get on with it as they see fit.
I am not a know-all, but I do have my own opinions, but I understand
that they are just that, just opinions.
I voice my opinions occasionally, but I do not set out to convince
anyone that my thinking is the right way for them. I rarely argue.
golwg
Matthew
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I accept what you say. I do feel that your remarks, especially about
white robes, are inaccurate. You are not the only one. I think I know
almost every Irish Druid, met most of them on one occasion or another,
saw them wear everything from suits to feathers, mostly earth-coloured
robes that some of them have changed to recently. Only one I know
wears white. At the foundation of the ODI - I was a Founder -
Archdruid McGrath publicly critised in writing in our founding article
in "Common Ground" magazine, Oct/Nov issue 1995, "the wearing of
bedsheets" which drew a response from The Hon. Olivia Durdin Robinson,
Huntingdon Cadtle, Clonegal, Ireland of the F.O.I. amongst others. Our
founders Sandy Leigh and Anrai O'Raghallaigh were equally critical of
white robes.
I remember a "fashion" established itself whereby Druid Diviners of
the ODI wote their short pendulum around their necks like a necklace,
even while in Civvies.
OBOD brought the wearing of white robes to a fine art with the wearing
of beautifully cut silk robes, and, even white shoes, and most,
through not all, British Druid Orders copies this. Together with some
sort of an egyptian patriarchal head-dress. And if you join the Army
you wore the uniform in the case of British Druid Orders who are very
regimented.
OBOD even has their Ovates in green tabards and their Bard Grade in
blue, still the case I believe. And any decorations are allowed to be
worn according to grade or rank.
No such thing exists or ever existed in Irish Druidry. From time to
time Archdruid Michael McGrath wore gold, wine andd green-blue robes,
encouraged every one of us to be Individual, and a cloth capped crown
which was not a kingly thing as it has been made out to be for
propaganda purposes. And he did always wear, as most of us do, a suit,
collar and tie under his robes so as to discourage the ubiquitous
denim jeans crew at ceremony, feeling that a special effort should be
made in personal appearance for the High Days and the High Times, and
this has proved in practice to be successful and good.
Seamus MacCraith another ODI Founder, came out with the statement that
every Druid should display the magnificence of his/her calling as
Druid to the world in the excellence of his outer appearance Another
Druid wore and wears his doctoral robes which is quite acceptable.
Even those few the ODI is critical of, and vice-versa, never wore
white robes, which is almost unknown in Ireland, in ancient or modern
times.
These remarks are meant to be helpful to those Druids deciding upon
founding their own Groves or Orders.
"Solitaries" are usually known as, or usually declare themselves as
"Druids of Locality" and then do actually turn up for ceremonial at
Tara etc to join in for the day. And Druids turn up from all over the
world, especially from the U.S.A., Australia, Canada, M.Z.,, U.K.,
France, Belgium, Brittany, Switzerland etc. All in their own costumes,
reflecting usually something of their nationality, their country,
their origins, their roots !
We have even had Princess Mariam Askala and her five children,
descendants of the Ethiopian Royal Family, actually lead Ceremonial on
Tara on a Midsummer Day. We've had Wiccans, Buddhists, and Asatru too,
come and join in.
And this lasted at Tara until the last couple of years when
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