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On Aug 4, 10:32 pm, Jonathon Barbera <jonathonbarb...@ispname.net>
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| Quote: | On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:42:42 -0700 (PDT), Opti <optical...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 1 ago, 16:57, Jonathon Barbera <jonathonbarb...@ispname.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:17:53 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
Jonathon Barbera <jonathonbarb...@ispname.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:42:57 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
To try to re-capture all them Body Thetans flying around, yep.
I recall several passages in the gospels where Jesus casts these
"unclean spirits" out of other people. Did Jesus have his own unclean
spirits or was he spiritually advanced to the point where he no longer
had them? (Any Christians know the answer?)
Yeah, and did Wonder Woman's magic airplane have to run on gasoline?
(No one answered, so I'm breaking it down for lurkers who want to
offer a guess.)
Wonder Woman = Jesus (as a spiritual being)
magic airplane = Jesus' body
gasoline = "unclean spirits"
Not that by any means am I qualified to answer this, but here's my
guess.
Making the assumption that unclean spirits refers to possession, I'm
basing this on the fact that the catholic church still has rituals for
exorcism. It seems improbable
that a demonic being could actually take possession of the son of
god. Since Jesus technically is God in human form, right?
As a Hindu, I would say that ~everyone~ is God in human form.
The only reason you doubt this truth is because the "unclean spirits"
are bashers. They attempt to undermine your self-confidence as God.
(Scientology can help you with that!)
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Hinduism vs Christianity: Hindu beliefs compared with Christian
beliefs
By www.himalayanacademy.com
Hinduism vs Christianity: Hindu beliefs compared with Christian
beliefs
Hinduism:
1) Hindus believe in the divinity of the vedas, the world's most
ancient scripture, and venerate the Agamas as equally revealed. These
primordial hymns are God's word and the bedrock of Sanatana Dharma,
the eternal religion which has neither beginning nor end.
2) Hindus believe in a one, all-pervasive supreme being who is both
immanent and transcendent, both Creator and Unmanifest Reality.
3) Hindus believe that the universe undergoes endless cycles of
creation, preservation and dissolution.
4) Hindus believe in karma, the law of cause and effect by which each
individual creates his own destiny by his thoughts, words and deeds.
5) Hindus believe that the soul reincarnates, evolving through many
births until all karmas have been resolved, and moksha, spiritual
knowledge and liberation from the cycle of rebirth, is attained. Not a
single soul will be eternally deprived of this destiny.
6) Hindus believe that divine beings exist in unseen worlds and that
temple worship, rituals, sacraments as well as personal devotionals
create a communion with these devas and Gods.
7) Hindus believe that a spiritually awakened master, or satguru, is
essential to know the Transcendent Absolute, as are personal
discipline, good conduct, purification, pilgrimage, self-inquiry and
meditation.
 Hindus believe that all life is sacred, to be loved and revered,
and therefore practice ahimsa, "noninjury."
9) Hindus believe that no particular religion teaches the only way to
salvation above all others, but that all genuine religious paths are
facets of God's Pure Love and Light, deserving tolerance and
understanding.
Christianity:
1) Christians believe that the bible is the uniquely inspired and
fully trustworthy word of God. It is the final authority for
Christians in matters of belief and practice, and though it was
written long ago, it continues to speak to believers today.
2) Christians believe in one God in three persons. He is distinct
from his creation, yet intimately involved with it as its sustainer
and redeemer.
3) Christians believe that the world was created once by the divine
will, was corrupted by sin, yet under God's providence moves toward
final perfection.
4) Christians believe that, through God's grace and favor, lost
sinners are rescued from the guilt, power and eternal consequences of
their evil thoughts, words and deeds.
5) Christians believe that it is appointed for human beings to die
once and after that face judgment. In Adam's sin, the human race was
spiritually alienated from God, and that those who are called by God
and respond to his grace will have eternal life. Those who persist in
rebellion will be lost eternally.
6) Christians believe that spirit beings inhabit the universe, some
good and some evil, but worship is due to God alone.
7) Christians believe that God has given us a clear revelation of
Himself in Jesus and the sacred Scriptures. He has empowered by his
Spirit prophets, apostles, evangelists, and pastors who are teachers
charged to guide us into faith and holiness in accordance with his
Word.
Christians believe that life is to be highly esteemed but that it
must be subordinated in the service of Biblical love and justice.
9) Christians believe that Jesus is God incarnate and, therefore, the
only sure path to salvation. Many religions may offer ethical and
spiritual insights, but only Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life
Courtesy to http://www.himalayanacademy.com
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Hinduism/id/51455 |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Christ had a body after His resurrection! |
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Operation Clambake presents:
What is Scientology?
In the late 1940s, pulp writer L. Ron Hubbard declared:
"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to
make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own
religion"
Reader's Digest reprint, May 1980, p.1
Hubbard later created the Church of Scientology...
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Based on a text by ex-Scientologist Roland Rashleigh-Berry. Roland
wrote: "This is my personal opinion. I grant permission to anyone to
reproduce this material. This description has been tailored to people
who have never been Scientologists and seek a simple and short
explanation as to what it is and why it is surrounded by
controversy."
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In a Nutshell
The Church of Scientology is a vicious and dangerous cult that
masquerades as a religion. Its purpose is to make money. It practices
a variety of mind-control techniques on people lured into its midst to
gain control over their money and their lives. Its aim is to take from
them every penny that they have and can ever borrow and to also
enslave them to further its wicked ends.
It was started in the 1950s by a science fiction writer named L. Ron
Hubbard in fulfilment to his declared aim to start a religion to make
money. It is an offshoot to a method of psychotherapy he concocted
from various sources which he named "Dianetics". Dianetics is a form
of regression therapy. It was then further expanded to appear more
like a religion in order to enjoy tax benefits. He called it
"Scientology".
Scientology is a confused concoction of crackpot, dangerously applied
psychotherapy, oversimplified, idiotic and inapplicable rules and
ideas and science-fiction drivel that is presented to its members (at
the "advanced" levels) as profound spiritual truth.
The Harm it Does to a Person
The results of applying their crackpot psychotherapy (called
"auditing") is to weaken the mind. The mind goes from a rational state
to an irrational one as the delusional contents of the subconscious
mind are brought to the surface and are assumed to be valid. It also
makes a person more susceptible to suggestion since it submerges the
critical thinking faculties of the mind into a partial subconscious
state. It results in a permanent light hypnotic trance and so from
thenceforth that person can be more easily controlled. The person
will, to a much greater extent, believe and do whatever they are told.
And of course this is used to the full in persuading them to hand over
further money and dedicating themselves further to the cult.
The results of applying their oversimplified and inapplicable rules in
life is to lose the ability to think rationally and logically. A
person loses the ability to think for themselves and so they lose the
ability to challenge incorrect ideas. This makes them easier to
control. It also isolates and alienates the person from society so
that they withdraw from normal society and into their "Scientology"
society. This further increases their susceptibility to the influence
of their group. They end up being afraid of society, believing all
society to be controlled by a group of drug companies, psychiatrists
and financiers all of whom report to more remote masters. In other
words they are in a state of mass paranoia. They therefore avoid
reading newspapers and the like since they fear it will disturb their
safe Scientology world. It is a downward spiral into madness.
The science fiction content of Scientology is revealed to them after
they have reached the state they call "Clear", meaning freed from the
aberrations of the mind. However, perhaps "brainwashed" would be a
more applicable word to describe the mental state of someone who has
survived the near entire delusional contents of their subconscious
mind brought to the surface and presented to them as "truth". On the
"advanced" levels (called OT levels) above the state of "Clear" they
encounter the story of Xenu. Xenu was supposed to have gathered up all
the overpopulation in this sector of the galaxy, brought them to Earth
and then exterminated them using hydrogen bombs. The souls of these
murdered people are then supposed to infest the body of everyone. They
are called "body thetans". On the advanced levels of Scientology a
person "audits out" these body thetans telepathically by getting them
to re-experience their being exterminated by hydrogen bombs. So people
on these levels assume all their bad thoughts and faulty memories are
due to these body thetans infesting every part of their body and
influencing them mentally. Many Scientologists go raving mad at this
point if they have not done so already.
The "Ethics" Trap
On the surface the Church of Scientology seems reasonable. The insane
content of it is only revealed to a person when the early stuff has
done its work and made them more susceptible. After a short while a
person "believes" that Scientology is doing them good. They are then
persuaded to help their new-found group further by donating money and/
or working for the organisation for almost no money. Many people do
exactly that.
"Ethics" is used to good effect to trap a person. A person�s natural
tendency to do good is worked upon. Yes - they want to be more
ethical, but what is ethical? This is where a clever trick is pulled!
"Ethics" is redefined by Scientology in such a way that to be ethical
is to be a better Scientologist and obey the "church". Young people,
not yet made cynical through the machinations of life and politics,
are very keen to contribute to the world and to be ethical. So the
"ethics" trick works easily into persuading them to join the "church".
Many of them join an elite group called the "Sea Org" where they
become brainwashed slaves. There they work a hundred hour week for
almost no pay. There they are subject to every cruel whim of their
masters. It is a living hell that they endure because of the
conditioning they have received and this now perverted sense of ethics
that they have accepted. The "Sea Org" is the ultimate in brainwashed
slavery. They are expected to work harder and harder to achieve ever
higher targets of production. If they fail to meet their targets there
are various penalties. One of them is to be put onto a diet of beans
and rice and to miss sleep. Another is to be sentenced to a period on
the RPF (Rehabilitation Project Force). This is the equivalent to
"hard labour". Such is the extent of their brainwashing that they
actually write "success stories" when they complete their sentences.
Brainwashing Bites Back
There is no doubt at all that L. Ron Hubbard incorporated brainwashing
techniques into Scientology to put people under his control. He even
wrote a "brainwashing manual" which is still in existence today.
However there was a cruel twist in his scheme. He fell victim of it
himself. In creating his devoted slaves, the Sea Org, he created an
audience that believed every word he said. Now L. Ron Hubbard had an
over-active imagination plus delusions of grandeur. The negative
feedback he would obtain by being part of normal society was replaced
by the positive feedback from his devoted followers. Through this his
imagination got the better of him and combined with his delusions of
grandeur, his thinking became increasingly bizarre which, on
acceptance, led on to more bizarre thinking and the idea that he and
Scientology had the job of saving the entire universe He wanted to
take over the world in order to further Scientology�s aims to save the
universe and so branches of Scientology were set up to try to
influence governments and gain positions where they could influence to
world to a high degree. So what started out as a mass confidence trick
backed up with brainwashing became a monstrous and insane organisation
with fantastic, fanatical ideals. Because of this change, the Church
of Scientology survived the death of their founder. It is like a
runaway monster machine that tramples on society and peoples lives
that is very difficult to stop.
Stop the Monster
The whole machinery called the "Church of Scientology" needs to be
jammed somehow so that more people do not get sucked in and the people
already in it have a chance to get out. We must not forget the people
already in this "church". Although they are the ones perpetrating this
crime they are also the victims. They need our help as well.
And here we come to the "War on the Internet".
The War on the Internet
The "War on the Internet" is the war between the Church of Scientology
and Internet users who copy their documents and post them on the
Internet.
The people who are copying their material and webbing it are using the
huge accessibility of the world-wide web to get information out to
people to warn them of the insanity and danger of this cult. They are
doing it for the public good. The hope is that if they can get this
information out to the public and make it broadly known then people
will be forewarned and will not join the cult. If they can starve the
cult of new members in this way then the whole organisation may
collapse and then the existing members can be helped to return to
society. But of course the people within the cult believe only their
own founders interpretation of things so they use every means they can
to stop this. Usually the method they use is harassment through
lengthy and expensive legal processes. Sometimes it is physical
harassment. Sometimes worse!
The people who post and host the copyrighted and confidential works of
Scientology are risking themselves to help warn the public about the
dangers of Scientology. They have a strong sense of public duty and
care for their fellow men. They are breaking copyright laws it is true
but they are acting out of conscience and out of high human ideals. As
they get broken down by legal or physical harassment more rise to take
their place.
I hope this short piece of mine is a befitting and deserving
introduction to these people, the "Warriors of the Internet".
In an article to alt.religion.scientology 6. September 1998,
parkerbp@webtv.net wrote:
Here's a short summary of my experience with $cientology.
Staff was very friendly with me as a student and pc, as long as I kept
forking over the dough for services and "fund raisers."
I joined staff at an org and the attitude of other staff toward me got
a little less than friendly.
I joined the Sea Org and put up with alot of crap from staff and LRH's
policy because I thought I was helping myself and my fellow man.
I found out I was helping no one and hurting myself. I got out I began
surfing the net and found many of my doubts and suspicions about the CO
$ were very well founded.
I had been lied to and deceived by the CO$ in order to gain my trust,
my money, my loyalty, and dedication to a lost and evil cause.
Now I am dedicated to voice my experiences and opinions of the cult of
$cientology.
Bobby
http://www.xenu.net/roland-intro.html |
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Jonathon Barbera
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Christ had a body after His resurrection! |
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:42:42 -0700 (PDT), Opti <opticalust@gmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | On 1 ago, 16:57, Jonathon Barbera <jonathonbarb...@ispname.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:17:53 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
Jonathon Barbera <jonathonbarb...@ispname.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:42:57 GMT, fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
To try to re-capture all them Body Thetans flying around, yep.
I recall several passages in the gospels where Jesus casts these
"unclean spirits" out of other people. Did Jesus have his own unclean
spirits or was he spiritually advanced to the point where he no longer
had them? (Any Christians know the answer?)
Yeah, and did Wonder Woman's magic airplane have to run on gasoline?
(No one answered, so I'm breaking it down for lurkers who want to
offer a guess.)
Wonder Woman = Jesus (as a spiritual being)
magic airplane = Jesus' body
gasoline = "unclean spirits"
Not that by any means am I qualified to answer this, but here's my
guess.
Making the assumption that unclean spirits refers to possession, I'm
basing this on the fact that the catholic church still has rituals for
exorcism. It seems improbable
that a demonic being could actually take possession of the son of
god. Since Jesus technically is God in human form, right?
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As a Hindu, I would say that ~everyone~ is God in human form.
The only reason you doubt this truth is because the "unclean spirits"
are bashers. They attempt to undermine your self-confidence as God.
(Scientology can help you with that!) |
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