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Roger Pearse
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 Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 3:16 pm Post subject: Anyone here not had been called a liar by Moggin? |
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There will be a meeting for all such persons in the telephone box at
reception at 4pm.
The rest of us should pray for the poor fellow. (Or sing to your
rock, or sacrifice something, or whatever).
All the best,
Roger Pearse |
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Roger Pearse
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone here not been called a liar by Moggin? |
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roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk (Roger Pearse) wrote in message news:<3a88eeea.0310080216.601b7dfd@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | There will be a meeting for all such persons in the telephone box at
reception at 4pm.
The rest of us should pray for the poor fellow. (Or sing to your
rock, or sacrifice something, or whatever).
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That'll teach me to hit the enter key when Norton pops up while I'm
editing the title.
All the best,
Roger Pearse |
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Kater Moggin
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Anyone here not had been called abusive by Roger? |
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roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk (Roger Pearse):
| Quote: | There will be a meeting for all such persons in the telephone box at
reception at 4pm. The rest of us should pray for the poor fellow. (Or
sing to your rock, or sacrifice something, or whatever).
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Subject-line changed to fit a bit more closely.
-- Moggin
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Kater Moggin
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Anyone here not been called abusive by Roger? |
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roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk (Roger Pearse):
| Quote: | There will be a meeting for all such persons in the telephone box at
reception at 4pm. The rest of us should pray for the poor fellow. (Or
sing to your rock, or sacrifice something, or whatever).
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Subject-line changed to fit a bit more closely.
-- Moggin
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Nuvoadam
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone here not been called abusive by Roger? |
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Kater Moggin <moggin@attbiTHORN.com> wrote in message news:<moggin-BC969F.00473409102003@netnews.attbi.com>...
| Quote: | roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk (Roger Pearse):
There will be a meeting for all such persons in the telephone box at
reception at 4pm. The rest of us should pray for the poor fellow. (Or
sing to your rock, or sacrifice something, or whatever).
Subject-line changed to fit a bit more closely.
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There's nothing you can do to change the fact that Roger is talking to and
about you big guy. You can't doctor that spin, only lie. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone here not been called abusive by Roger? |
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Nuvoadam@AOL.com (Nuvoadam) writes:
| Quote: | Kater Moggin <moggin@attbiTHORN.com> wrote in message news:<moggin-BC969F.00473409102003@netnews.attbi.com>...
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk (Roger Pearse):
There will be a meeting for all such persons in the telephone box at
reception at 4pm. The rest of us should pray for the poor fellow. (Or
sing to your rock, or sacrifice something, or whatever).
Subject-line changed to fit a bit more closely.
There's nothing you can do to change the fact that Roger is talking to and
about you big guy. You can't doctor that spin, only lie.
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All Tertullian worshippers are abusive netpests.
Klaus Schilling |
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Kater Moggin
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 8:11 am Post subject: Re: Anyone here not been called abusive by Roger? |
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Nuvoadam@AOL.com (Nuvoadam):
| Quote: | There's nothing you can do to change the fact that Roger is talking to and
about you big guy.
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Of course he is. Roger has been positively obsessed with
me lately -- ever since I pointed out that Epiphanius'
Panarion offers evidence that disparaging rumors about Paul go
back to antiquity, contrary to the idea they're all modern
inventions. Apparently Roger found that very upsetting. He's
replied in your usual style, i.e., alternating between
unsupported attacks and outright falsehoods, like for instance
his absurd claim I dated the Recognitions to the 1st c. --
Roger's Olympic-size leap from my point that it must have been
written before 375 CE or so.
| Quote: | You can't doctor that spin, only lie.
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Another in the string of empty attacks you and Roger have
made.
-- Moggin
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Roger Pearse
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 1:08 am Post subject: Re: Anyone here not been called abusive by Roger? |
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pessolo@freemail.it wrote in message news:<8765iydzdk.fsf@debian.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-shoot-me>...
| Quote: | Nuvoadam@AOL.com (Nuvoadam) writes:
Kater Moggin <moggin@attbiTHORN.com> wrote in message news:<moggin-BC969F.00473409102003@netnews.attbi.com>...
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk (Roger Pearse):
There will be a meeting for all such persons in the telephone box at
reception at 4pm. The rest of us should pray for the poor fellow. (Or
sing to your rock, or sacrifice something, or whatever).
Subject-line changed to fit a bit more closely.
There's nothing you can do to change the fact that Roger is talking to and
about you big guy. You can't doctor that spin, only lie.
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He does seem to be running low on imagination, as well as humour!
| Quote: | All Tertullian worshippers are abusive netpests.
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How do you get to be a Tertullian worshipper? What does it involve?
Is there a badge?
All the best,
Roger Pearse |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone here not been called abusive by Roger? |
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roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk (Roger Pearse) writes:
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How do you get to be a Tertullian worshipper? What does it involve?
Is there a badge?
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All those who fail to see that the canonical Paulinics
are later than Marcion's version,
all those qualify as Tertullian worshippers,
especially Harnack, Petrement, and other inept scholars.
Able scholars like Gustaaf Adolf van den Bergh van Eysinga ,
Paul-Louis Couchoud, Arthur Drews, and Georges Ory
know that Paulus canonicus is late second century.
Klaus Schilling |
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Kater Moggin
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone here not been called abusive by Roger? |
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Nuvoadam@AOL.com (Nuvoadam) writes:
| Quote: | There's nothing you can do to change the fact that Roger is talking to and
about you big guy.
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Of course he is. Roger has been positively obsessed with
me lately -- ever since I pointed out that Epiphanius'
Panarion offers evidence that disparaging rumors about Paul go
back to antiquity, contrary to the idea they're all modern
inventions. Apparently Roger found that very upsetting. He's
replied in your usual style, i.e., alternating between
unsupported attacks and outright falsehoods, like for instance
his absurd claim I dated the Recognitions to the 1st c. --
Roger's Olympic-size leap from my point that it must have been
written before 375 CE or so.
| Quote: | You can't doctor that spin, only lie.
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Another in the string of empty attacks you and Roger have
been making.
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk (Roger Pearse):
| Quote: | He does seem to be running low on imagination, as well as humour!
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And there's another one. Roger seems far happier tossing
insults than addressing the evidence.
-- Moggin
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Nuvoadam
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 3:23 am Post subject: Re: Anyone here not been called abusive by Roger? |
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pessolo@freemail.it wrote in message news:<87ekxilvjm.fsf@debian.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-shoot-me>...
| Quote: | roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk (Roger Pearse) writes:
How do you get to be a Tertullian worshipper? What does it involve?
Is there a badge?
All those who fail to see that the canonical Paulinics
are later than Marcion's version,
all those qualify as Tertullian worshippers,
especially Harnack, Petrement, and other inept scholars.
Able scholars like Gustaaf Adolf van den Bergh van Eysinga ,
Paul-Louis Couchoud, Arthur Drews, and Georges Ory
know that Paulus canonicus is late second century.
Klaus Schilling
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The canonical Paulinics are an amalgamation of Marcion's
Paulinic Epistles with Leucius' various Acts he was
producing. It was Leucius' four Gospel's which Irenaeus
was trumpeting. So yes, Marcion beat them to the punch.
And yes, Leucius and other copyists used some Marcionite
work, some alternative Epistles and some added
anti-Marcionite propaganda. Which made our current NT
as this weird mix of Marcionte spin mixed up with anti
Marcionite spin.
Marcion was accused of changing the Pauline Epistles.
He made Paul and other to support his views of divorce,
among other issues. At the same time other Bishoprics
and historians were accusing Marcion of doing this,
Leucius was had slyly commissioned HIMSELF to Theophilus
and his Caesarea Synad around 170. After Leucius
countered Marcion with his own propaganda, and did so
over and over again, the original Pauline words or even
sentiments are in need of discovery.
Marcion provided the first orthodox model for the Church.
I believe his father Philologus (lover of words) was a
copyist, among his other successful business operations.
Marcion became part of this shipping industry and grew
up around Paul and his father as their scribes diligently
labored over psalm books and textual copies of rare works
Marcion not only had the money to fund an alternative
Christianity but also to come as close to mass production
of his new Bible-- proto-orthodox and yet the very template
which the Church Fathers modeled their own editions upon.
Theophilus was in competition with Marcion, with Justin's
student Tatian-- producing his own Bibles nearby Caesarea,
with Valentinus, and was always doing things with an eye
towards seeking approval with the Alexandrian Bishopric.
Rome had authority, or else there wouldn't have been this
competition for this choice Bishopric over all of these
others. It's just that this was not an overarching
authority, and the first ecclesiastical college in Alexandria
was really where the orthodoxy was being produced.
All of the Bishoprics used alternate versions of the same
basic works, with some radical additions here and there.
These were called the "Memoirs" by Justin Martyr, and
in these various works were to be found many versions of
the Epistlolic fragments of Paul, Peter and other Apostles.
It was from the Memoirs that Marcion obtained his material.
Justin speaks of a pre Marcion Paulite body of work. Tertullian
and Irenaeus recognized Justin's authority on this. So is this
what has you upset? That Marcion has been trumped and exposed
as a conflationary redactionist who interposed his own ideas
over those of Paul? Or are you upset that the Church adopted
and adapted Marcion's own orthodoxy and false Epistles for
their own uses?
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Mouldy Jester
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone here not had been called a liar by Moggin? |
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"Roger Pearse" <roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | There will be a meeting for all such persons in the telephone box at
reception at 4pm.
The rest of us should pray for the poor fellow. (Or sing to your
rock, or sacrifice something, or whatever).
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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To the best of my knowledge, I have never been called a liar by Moggin. I
have been called numerous other things, (and have done my share of calling
as well), but not "liar" as far as I know.
--
Mouldy Jester
"I keep telling you, Gnosticism ain't dualistic."
-- Krag, (30th July, 2003)
"You are perhaps the most literal-minded idiot I've encountered in these
parts."
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Roger Pearse
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone here not been called abusive by Roger? |
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Kater Moggin <moggin@attbiTHORN.com> wrote in message news:<moggin-D02AD8.08325312102003@netnews.attbi.com>...
| Quote: | Nuvoadam@AOL.com (Nuvoadam) writes:
There's nothing you can do to change the fact that Roger is talking to and
about you big guy.
Of course he is. Roger has been positively obsessed with
me lately -- ever since I pointed out that Epiphanius'
Panarion offers evidence that disparaging rumors about Paul go
back to antiquity, contrary to the idea they're all modern
inventions. Apparently Roger found that very upsetting. He's
replied in your usual style, i.e., alternating between
unsupported attacks and outright falsehoods, like for instance
his absurd claim I dated the Recognitions to the 1st c. --
Roger's Olympic-size leap from my point that it must have been
written before 375 CE or so.
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Moggin has been positively obsessed with
me lately -- ever since I pointed out that he was misrepresenting
Epiphanius
in order to suggest that disparaging rumors about Paul go
back to the first century. Apparently Moggin found that very
upsetting. He's
replied in his usual style, i.e., alternating between
unsupported attacks and outright falsehoods, like for instance
his absurd claim that he did not date the Recognitions to the 1st c.
--
Moggin's fast retreat after he realised I actually had the text before
me.
Needless to say, he's too scared to actually post the Panarion
30.15-16 which would show the facts. Sad.
| Quote: | You can't doctor that spin, only lie.
Another in the string of empty attacks you and Roger have
been making.
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Another in the string of empty attacks you have
been making. Anything rather than discuss the subject, eh?
| Quote: | roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk (Roger Pearse):
He does seem to be running low on imagination, as well as humour!
And there's another one. Roger seems far happier tossing
insults than addressing the evidence.
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Moggin seems far happier tossing insults than addressing the evidence.
After all, he's still too scared to actually post the text!
All the best,
Roger Pearse |
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Kater Moggin
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone here not been called abusive by Roger? |
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Kater Moggin <moggin@attbiTHORN.com>:
| Quote: | ... I pointed out that Epiphanius'
Panarion offers evidence that disparaging rumors about Paul go
back to antiquity, contrary to the idea they're all modern
inventions. Apparently Roger found that very upsetting. He's
replied in your usual style, i.e., alternating between
unsupported attacks and outright falsehoods, like for instance
his absurd claim I dated the Recognitions to the 1st c. --
Roger's Olympic-size leap from my point that it must have been
written before 375 CE or so.
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roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk (Roger Pearse):
| Quote: | Moggin has been positively obsessed with
me lately -- ever since I pointed out that he was misrepresenting
Epiphanius in order to suggest that disparaging rumors about Paul go
back to the first century.
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The misrepresentation is Roger's, of course. I showed the
Panarion, written by Epiphanius around 375 CE, reports a
certain dispaaging rumor about Paul, contrary to the idea those
are all modern inventions.
| Quote: | Needless to say, he's too scared to actually post the Panarion
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I repeatedly posted the evidence. Funny it never turns up
in Rogers' replies. Here it is again:
Nor are they ashamed to accuse Paul here with
certain false inventions of their false apostles'
villainy and imposture. They say that he was a Tarsean
-- which he admits himself and does not deny. But they
supposed he was of Greek parentage, taking the
occasion for this from the (same) passage because he
frankly said, "I am a man of Tarsus, a citizen of no
mean city." They then claim that he was a Greek and
the son of a Greek mother and father, but that he had
gone up to Jerusalem, stayed a while, and desired to
marry a daughter of the high priest. He therefore
became a proselyte and was circumcised. But since he
still could not get that sort of girl he became angry
and wrote against circumcision, and the Sabbath and
Legislation.
Epiphanius, Pan. 30.16.8-9
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Roger Pearse
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone here not had been called a liar by Moggin? |
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"Mouldy Jester" <Noway@getlost.com> wrote in message news:<40uib.177017$JA5.4437456@news.xtra.co.nz>...
| Quote: | "Roger Pearse" <roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3a88eeea.0310080216.601b7dfd@posting.google.com...
There will be a meeting for all such persons in the telephone box at
reception at 4pm.
The rest of us should pray for the poor fellow. (Or sing to your
rock, or sacrifice something, or whatever).
To the best of my knowledge, I have never been called a liar by Moggin. I
have been called numerous other things, (and have done my share of calling
as well), but not "liar" as far as I know.
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Do we have a winner?!
All the best,
Roger Pearse |
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