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 Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: ARE THE DEAD RESTING ?.... |
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ARE THE DEAD RESTING ?....
The belief that the souls rest after death is only justified in so far
as immature souls remain in a state of complete inactivity due to lack
of strength. However, this is not a condition of comfortable rest but
a state of torment, confinement and helplessness and therefore not a
condition worth striving for.
The souls in the beyond are only permitted to be active in a certain
state of maturity when they receive constant strength to work. But
then they use this strength without restriction. However, since their
activity does not depend on earthly matter it also has to be different
than the work on earth; it cannot be compared to the latter since the
conditions in the spiritual realm which require or permit an action
are entirely different.
There is a steady flow of teaching and passing on of spiritual
knowledge, it is a purely spiritual process which bestows much
happiness and bliss on the giving souls and reduces the receiving
souls’ torment by becoming recipients of strength… It is indeed a
labour of love but it can only be compared to earthly activity while
the souls in their state of darkness still believe themselves to live
on earth, where, due to their own desires, they create imaginary
surroundings and in this imagination also have to perform kind deeds.
However, the more enlightened the soul becomes the further it
distances itself from earth in its thoughts and now its actions no
longer depend on earthly matter, not even in its imagination. The work
of these souls in the beyond, in the spiritual realm, thus consists of
purely spiritually conveying their received knowledge.
Every giving and strength-receiving soul has entrusted protégées on
earth or in the beyond for which it cares lovingly with tireless
dedication. It has to try to mentally guide its protégées into the
truth, it has to influence their thoughts and thus create clarity but
without forcing the will of those souls, and this requires immense
patience and love. Because two completely isolated beings, who can act
and think entirely independently, are facing each other and thus
correct thinking may not be forcefully transmitted if the still
immature spirit is not to be prevented from gaining an equally high
degree of maturity.
Spiritual knowledge has to be given to uninformed souls in a way that
it is accepted without resistance and awakens their longing for more
gifts. The receiving being consequently has to accept it entirely
voluntarily, only then will the transmitted knowledge become strength
and enlighten. And this act of transmission is an effort which can
only be performed with love because it is usually rather laborious.
But the state of a soul condemned to inactivity is so pitiful that the
beings of light constantly try to help them, that they willingly
accept the most arduous work to release these souls from their
situation. However, on the other hand it adds to their happiness when
their labour of love is successful because this work draws
unimaginable circles, since every receiving being in turn will pass on
its knowledge in the awakened urge to likewise help the souls of
darkness and thus do redeeming work… Amen
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Pat H
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: ARE THE DEAD RESTING ? - A: they are asleep |
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People misuse 2 Cor. 5:6-8 when they try to say it means we go straight
to be with the Lord after death. It doesn't exactly say that. It's just
a comparision between the 2 states of a life conscious and alive on
earth and then one that is present with the Lord. But that doesn't mean
there is not another state in between. They SLEEP. The dead are not
absent from the body yet...
For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is
not risen, your faith is futile; and you are still in your sins! Then
also those who have FALLEN ASLEEP IN CHRIST have perished... But now
Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those
who HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP... For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all
shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the
firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's AT HIS COMING - 1 Cor.
15:16-23.
Now let us look at some popular rapture Scriptures:
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all SLEEP, but we shall all
be changed -- in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last
trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised
incorruptible, and we shall be changed - 1 Cor. 15:51,52. ~ Note:
Clearly, that says the dead will be raised incorruptible and we shall
all be changed at the last trumpet when Christ returns.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive
and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those
who are ASLEEP. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a
shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And
the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain
shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in
the air. And this we shall always be with the Lord. - 1 Thes. 4:15-17. ~
Note: Those who have died and are asleep will rise and then those who
are alive until the coming of the Lord shall be caught up together with
them in the clouds, and then we will all meet the Lord in the air. And
THEN we shall always be with the Lord.
I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there WILL
BE a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust - Acts
24:15.
Except for martyrs who have a special place in heaven (Revelation 6),
clearly all these verses prove that no one has gone to heaven yet, but
preachers and almost every Christian who I have heard will tickle your
ears telling you they have. They don't know God's word well enough or
they deceive you to make you happy. People ought to learn the Bible
better so that they are not false witnesses. Faith and salvation might
be on the line (1 Tim. 6:20,21). Have you seen my "Once Saved, Always
Saved" IS WRONG web pages?
May God bless you. Amen. Sincerely, Patrick.
Pat's preaching:
The Way To Heaven, according to the Bible
http://www.geocities.com/1christlover
"Once Saved, Always Saved" IS WRONG
http://www.geocities.com/1christlover/OSAS-.html |
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Jimmy Alpha
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: ARE THE DEAD RESTING ? - A: they are asleep |
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Pat H wrote:
| Quote: | People misuse 2 Cor. 5:6-8 when they try to say it means we go straight
to be with the Lord after death. It doesn't exactly say that. It's just
a comparision between the 2 states of a life conscious and alive on
earth and then one that is present with the Lord. But that doesn't mean
there is not another state in between. They SLEEP. The dead are not
absent from the body yet...
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Thank you for your stupendous input. That *stupendous* word might not be
spelt right, but the first few letter are. lol
Jimmy Alpha |
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JohnH
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: ARE THE DEAD RESTING ? - A: they are asleep |
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Pat H wrote:
| Quote: | Have you seen my "Once Saved, Always
Saved" IS WRONG web pages?
May God bless you. Amen. Sincerely, Patrick.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: |
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never
perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no
man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal
life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life: and he that hath not the Son
of God hath not life.
1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name
of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that
ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Can a true believer believe they have eternal life?
Can a true believer believe they'll not perish?
Can a true believer be taken from the hands of Christ?
Can a true believer be taken from the hands of God?
Can a true believer believe God's record of eternal life?
Can a true believer believe eternal life is in Christ?
Can a true believer believe one having Christ has eternal life?
Can a true believer believe one not having Christ has not eternal life?
Can a true believer, believing in Christ, know they have eternal life?
Well, Pat, can you hear His voice or not. You can? Then why didn't you
hear Him just say, "Verily, verily, these can," hmm?
Hey, you claim having mastered your Bible, so who do the following guys
remind you of?
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they
had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they
went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
These guys are exactly like you...they weren't really "saved" either. |
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Mike Painter
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: ARE THE DEAD RESTING ? - A: they are asleep |
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Pat H wrote:
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"but preachers and almost every Christian who I have heard will tickle |
your
| Quote: | ears telling you they have. They don't know God's word well enough or
they deceive you to make you happy.
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So the vast majority is wrong and you are right.
Why do you suppose that is?
Given that a man can write a rule book and *everybody* will agree with the
rules.
Nobody for example questions how an American football touchdown is made.
They might question *if* it was made but not what is required.
You would think a loving god could write a book that could be understood by
anyone who read it.
Yet there are 30,000 different sects all saying, at least, that the other
29,999 don't quite have it right. Most of the sects say they are the only
right ones.
Then there are people like you who say not only are the sects wrong, but
most are.
What makes you right and all of them wrong?
It will be pointless for you to paste your inanely long list of poorly
formatted quotes and comments. Answer in your own words.
As an aside, almost no one will read or respond to those long posts because
you don't have the ability to format them in a manner that makes responding
easy.
That's why you see one or more angle brackets ">" (sorry if you don't know
those words since they are not in your bible) when people respond.
If you want to save the world at least show that you are competent enough to
use a real computer with a real newsreader.
A cheap used computer and a cheap Internet comnnection will save money over
the long run. |
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