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**Are you -really- saved?
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Harold Kupp
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:54 am    Post subject: **Are you -really- saved? Reply with quote

ARE YOU REALLY SAVED?

Christianity has fallen away from God! Most of the organized church
system has wandered so far from the truth that it refuses to even listen
to the truth. The apostle Paul warned us that this would happen. He
said:

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;
but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate
for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires; and
will turn away their ears from THE TRUTH..."
2 Timothy 4:3 NAS

The Psalmist defines "the truth":

"and THY LAW is THE TRUTH."
Psalms 119:142 KJV

In both the business world and the religious world the formula for
success has become: "Give the people whatever they want!" The people do
not want the truth, they want their ears tickled with "smooth things."
Therefore it has been unpopular for the churches to teach that we must
obey God's law and give up our lives on this earth to the service of
Jesus Christ. It may be unpopular, but that is exactly what Jesus
asked for, our life and nothing less. He said:

"...but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's,
the same shall save it."
Mark 8:35 KJV

He gave us no options; we must surrender this lifetime to Him, no
matter what it may cost! The first act of our surrender is to obey
God's law, just as Jesus said:

"...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
Matthew 19:17 KJV

Sadly, many who have turned to Jesus for salvation have been led away
from obedience to the Ten Commandments by false teachers who tell them
that they may remain a "carnal" Christian (one who disobeys God's
commandments) and yet still be saved.

ALL WHO ACCEPT THEIR LIE WILL BE LOST!

IS THE CARNAL CHRISTIAN A BELIEVER?

Many professing Christians have been persuaded to think that they have
received eternal life despite their ongoing bondage to sin. They are
told they are born again children of God and saved forever the moment
they say: "I believe in Jesus and receive Him as my Saviour." Their
teachers offer this verse as proof of the sinner's instant salvation:

"He who believes in the Son has eternal life;"

However, the rest of that verse is seldom quoted:

"but he who does not OBEY the Son shall not see life,
but the WRATH OF GOD abides on him."
John 3:36 NAS

They are being told that they do not have to obey; the only requirement
is that they "believe." Yet the apostle Paul said that the mind that
will not subject itself to the law of God is a carnal (sinful) mind and
hostile toward God. He wrote:

"...the CARNAL MIND is enmity (hostile) against God:
for it IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE LAW OF GOD,"
Romans 8:7 KJV

Is it possible that a person will inherit eternal life even if that
person is hostile toward God and will not obey His law? All major
denominations now say: "YES!", the carnal person will still be saved if
he "believes." The apostle Paul says "NO!":

"For to be carnally minded is death;"
Romans 8:6 KJV

This devastating doctrine of "The saved (but still carnal) Christian"
has been firmly established in our churches because the meaning of the
word believe is not always clear. The only true definition of what it
means to "believe" is the scriptural one found in John 3:36 (see above).
Examine it carefully and you will see that ONLY THOSE WHO OBEY TRULY
BELIEVE.

THE PROOF! (John 3:36)

IF: One who believes in the Son has eternal life,

AND: One who does not obey shall not see life,

THEN: The one who does not obey, does not believe.

For it is clear that the one who shall not see life, could not
possibly have eternal life. Scripture does not allow any one who will
not obey to be counted a "believer." Thus any church that considers a
willfully disobedient person to have eternal life is teaching a fatal
error. One may be either disobedient or a believer, but not both.
There are no carnal believers...

Satan's lie ("the carnal Christian") is carefully designed to soothe
the conscience of those who seek the easy way. You may be sure that all
who profess it to be an option are deceived to some degree. Paul did
not teach that we had a third choice; quite to the contrary he said:

1."For if you live according to the flesh YOU WILL DIE, but

2. if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body YOU WILL LIVE."
Romans 8:13 RSV

In the New Testament, just as in the Old Testament, there are only two
choices: death or life; sin or righteousness. Paul gave no hope to the
sinful man when he said:

"You are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads
to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness."
Romans 6:16 RSV

In his letter to the Galatians, verse 5:19, Paul described the deeds of
the flesh (our sinful nature) and then went on to make the requirement
for the cleansing of the flesh absolutely clear.

"Now those who belong to Christ Jesus
have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."
Galatians 5:24 NAS

Please stop and take note of the past tense that Paul used. The
apostle did not say they will crucify the flesh, he did not say that
they had a choice or that it would be done for them. He said they had
already crucified the flesh.

Those who truly belong to Christ Jesus - those who are "His" - have
already crucified their own sinful nature. Therefore, by that verse
those who are seeking God have an infallible measuring stick within
themselves. They have only to look at their own lifestyle to see where
they stand with God. If they have not yet totally committed themselves
to put to death the deeds of the body through obedience to God's law,
they do not yet "belong" to Jesus. No one can deceive you, nor can you
deceive yourself if you measure by the Ten Commandments.

The strategy of Satan in the modern church has been to make people
believe that they have eternal life the moment they accept Jesus as
their personal Saviour. (A very easy path indeed!) The act of
receiving Jesus does bring joy to the heart; however, it reveals that
they now have the right (or power) to become a child of God.
(born-again) They now have the gift of faith from God which enables them
to surrender this life to God. (If they will!) The apostle John showed
us the process of salvation when he wrote this verse:

"But as many as RECEIVED Him,

to them He gave the right TO BECOME children of God..." (born-again)
John 1:12 NAS

Jesus said:

"the way is narrow that leads to life,
and FEW are those who find it."
Matthew 7:14 NAS

The first step on that narrow path to life is to repent of our sin and
accept (receive) Jesus as our Saviour. The next step is to accept Jesus
as our LORD and surrender all of our heart, our soul, our strength and
our mind to serve Him forever. The mark of a servant is that he obeys
the commandments of his Master.


These ideas were commonly taught in the early church Fathers
(pre 300 AD) but have been largely discarded by modern Christianity.
The modern day church is unable to recognize the "man of LAWlessness"
because they have set aside God's law and/or the necessity of obedience in
order to inherit eternal life.

HK
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Rob
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 9:11 am    Post subject: The Counterfeit Gospel of Harold Kupp - Exposed Reply with quote

On 7 Sep 2003 16:54:50 -0700, hkupp@harborside.com (Harold Kupp) wrote:

Quote:
He gave us no options; we must surrender this lifetime to Him, no
matter what it may cost!

The first act of our surrender is to obey
God's law,

The above idea is a lie, and it is proven to be a lie by the Word of God.

Acts 16:27-31 The jailer woke up to see the prison doors wide open. He assumed
the prisoners had escaped, so he drew his sword to kill himself. {28} But Paul
shouted to him, "Don't do it! We are all here!" {29} Trembling with fear, the
jailer called for lights and ran to the dungeon and fell down before Paul and
Silas. {30} He brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
{31} They replied, "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, along with
your entire household." (NLT)

Did Paul and Silas tell the jailer in the above verses that his first act of
surrender must be to obey God's law? No, Paul and Silas did not tell the
jailer that. Paul and Silas made clear to the jailer that his first act of
surrender was to "Believe on the Lord Jesus" and he would be saved.

Gal 2:16 And yet we Jewish Christians know that we become right with God, not
by doing what the law commands, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we have
believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be accepted by God because of our faith
in Christ--and not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will
ever be saved by obeying the law." (NLT)

The above verse is an unambiguous and simple statement that proves
the Gospel message is justification by faith alone. Legalists like HK have
a lot of trouble with this verse, because it utterly rips the fabric of their
"counterfeit salvation - works based doctrine."

The Galatians were getting along fine until the legalists got ahold of them,
but after the legalists got ahold of them the Galatians were convinced they had
to do something in addition to believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. But to say
that you have to do something in addition to believing in Christ absolutely
mutilates the Gospel message, and mutilating the Gospel message is what Satan
is intent on doing. When the legalists were deceiving the Galatians they subtly
agreed with the teachings of Paul. But after they gained the confidence of the
naive Galatians, the legalists then cunningly told the Galatians that they must
also do something else in addition to believing in Christ. Those who are duped
into believing that a person must do something in addition to what Christ has
done on the Cross is to believe in man and deny Christ - legalism is opposed to
the Gospel of the free grace of God, and the Gospel of the free Grace of God is
opposed to legalism. As soon as any person adds anything to what Christ
accomplished on the Cross, it reveals the blindness and the lost condition of
that person. Legalism flatters mankind because the message of legalism is that
you can do something and get credit for it, but the minute you believe you can
do something and get credit for it you have perverted and adulterated the
Gospel message which is salvation by grace alone.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves, it is the gift of God; (NASB)

Rob
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