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robert bowman
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 Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Asatru_Crafts_For-Kids |
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Scott Lowther wrote:
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OT: Catch, if you can, the "Self Helpless" episode of Penn & Teller's
"Bullshit!" It pretty effectively bombards AA as beign the crackpot
Christian nuttery that it is.
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http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/codep/aa.htm
and this is a Christian bombarding AA as occult nuttery. Or a Rational
Emotive Behavior Therapy claim of general nuttery:
http://www.smartrecovery.org/
Then there are the various health care professionals who view all of the
above as income-threatening nuttery.
At least AA provides plenty of coffee and doesn't walk around with its hand
out. The recovery rate of its participants is depressing -- as is that of
all other approaches.
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Dirk Bruere at Neopax
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Asatru_Crafts_For-Kids |
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robert bowman wrote:
| Quote: | Scott Lowther wrote:
OT: Catch, if you can, the "Self Helpless" episode of Penn & Teller's
"Bullshit!" It pretty effectively bombards AA as beign the crackpot
Christian nuttery that it is.
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/codep/aa.htm
and this is a Christian bombarding AA as occult nuttery. Or a Rational
Emotive Behavior Therapy claim of general nuttery:
http://www.smartrecovery.org/
Then there are the various health care professionals who view all of the
above as income-threatening nuttery.
At least AA provides plenty of coffee and doesn't walk around with its hand
out. The recovery rate of its participants is depressing -- as is that of
all other approaches.
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I bet ibogaine works much better - but it's a DRUG!
FFF
Dirk
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Scott Lowther
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Asatru_Crafts_For-Kids |
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Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
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The bottom line is the only one that matters.
Does it work,
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Not really any better than going at it on your own.
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Not really. Gettign away from addiction is largely* a matter of jsut
suckign it up.
*There are some chemical treatments that seem to work, with even the
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robert bowman
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Asatru_Crafts_For-Kids |
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Scott Lowther wrote:
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AA offers something more than going it on your own, namely it is something
to do. After you've been drinking for N years, your life tends to center
around a bottle when you're not working. Not drinking is one thing;
rebuilding a social life outside of ginmills is another. There are a lot of
conditioned reflexes. It's like stopping smoking, and when you get a cup of
coffee you reach for the pack, or if you stop to talk to someone at work.
Dating myself there, back when half the people in the workplace had a butt
in their mouths.
Some people have family, friends, stuff like that to ease the transition;
others have AA.
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