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| Quote: | On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:13:33 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:16:09 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:5qgja4pg3s85nkllbanu74sbch6gsb1kvi@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:07:00 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't
brag about them.
Wrong.
OK Vera's: View Bow before Vera, agree to everything Vera Says (in
my opinion)
OK Matts View.: Have Faith in Christ our Lord, Have a commitment to
God and Gods word, and good works don't hurt, just don't brag
about them.
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
"He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not
believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on
him" (Jn.3:36).
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
"Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to
come into the world" (Jn. 11:27).
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
Ephesians 2
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves, it is the gift of God;
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't brag
about them.
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't brag
about them.
God Bless
Matt
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::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
My point has been made Vera
Only if you part your hair just right.
Is that the best you can do?
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You're not worth the best I can do.
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Vera say jump Chucky Jump.
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Matt .
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Beautiful!.. |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:16:44 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
<shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
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"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:8qrla41m2gisk41p95u4jeno341gnjn6ee@4ax.com...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:13:33 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:0joja49kvjh8s6hbm47micbkobvac5f7cr@4ax.com...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:16:09 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:5qgja4pg3s85nkllbanu74sbch6gsb1kvi@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:07:00 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't
brag about them.
Wrong.
OK Vera's: View Bow before Vera, agree to everything Vera Says (in
my opinion)
OK Matts View.: Have Faith in Christ our Lord, Have a commitment to
God and Gods word, and good works don't hurt, just don't brag
about them.
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
"He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not
believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on
him" (Jn.3:36).
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
"Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to
come into the world" (Jn. 11:27).
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
Ephesians 2
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves, it is the gift of God;
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't brag
about them.
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't brag
about them.
God Bless
Matt
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
My point has been made Vera
Only if you part your hair just right.
Is that the best you can do?
You're not worth the best I can do.
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Hey that is my line  )
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Vera say jump Chucky Jump.
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"My brothers, if one of you should wander from
the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
error of his way will save him from death and
cover over a multitude of sins." |
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Chuck Stamford
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Beautiful!.. |
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"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:16:44 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:8qrla41m2gisk41p95u4jeno341gnjn6ee@4ax.com...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:13:33 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:0joja49kvjh8s6hbm47micbkobvac5f7cr@4ax.com...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:16:09 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:5qgja4pg3s85nkllbanu74sbch6gsb1kvi@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:07:00 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't
brag about them.
Wrong.
OK Vera's: View Bow before Vera, agree to everything Vera Says
(in
my opinion)
OK Matts View.: Have Faith in Christ our Lord, Have a commitment
to
God and Gods word, and good works don't hurt, just don't brag
about them.
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
"He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does
not
believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on
him" (Jn.3:36).
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
"Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to
come into the world" (Jn. 11:27).
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
Ephesians 2
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves, it is the gift of God;
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't
brag
about them.
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't
brag
about them.
God Bless
Matt
--
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::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
My point has been made Vera
Only if you part your hair just right.
Is that the best you can do?
You're not worth the best I can do.
Hey that is my line )
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No, your line is being one of the less bright village idiots keeping the
rest of us entertained. Now why don't you be a good little boy, and archive
this post so I don't have to keep telling you this all the time? |
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Matt .
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Beautiful!.. |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:44:24 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
<shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
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"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:cbima412gccdv536sikjftdems655c6rt7@4ax.com...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:16:44 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:8qrla41m2gisk41p95u4jeno341gnjn6ee@4ax.com...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:13:33 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:0joja49kvjh8s6hbm47micbkobvac5f7cr@4ax.com...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:16:09 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:5qgja4pg3s85nkllbanu74sbch6gsb1kvi@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:07:00 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't
brag about them.
Wrong.
OK Vera's: View Bow before Vera, agree to everything Vera Says
(in
my opinion)
OK Matts View.: Have Faith in Christ our Lord, Have a commitment
to
God and Gods word, and good works don't hurt, just don't brag
about them.
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
"He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does
not
believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on
him" (Jn.3:36).
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
"Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to
come into the world" (Jn. 11:27).
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
Ephesians 2
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves, it is the gift of God;
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't
brag
about them.
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't
brag
about them.
God Bless
Matt
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
My point has been made Vera
Only if you part your hair just right.
Is that the best you can do?
You're not worth the best I can do.
Hey that is my line )
No, your line is being one of the less bright village idiots keeping the
rest of us entertained. Now why don't you be a good little boy, and archive
this post so I don't have to keep telling you this all the time?
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Thank you Chuck. This is one of the nicer things you've said to me.
My server archives all post for about a year.
Matt
"My brothers, if one of you should wander from
the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
error of his way will save him from death and
cover over a multitude of sins." |
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vernono
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: Re: "All they that take the sword shall perish with the swor |
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" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6h0pqnFhujloU1@mid.individual.net...
| Quote: | In news:uzqqk.2995$xv4.2571@fe111.usenetserver.com,
vernono <vernono@there.com> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6guhdpFhonpiU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:wsnqk.1235$Tb5.958@fe93.usenetserver.com,
vernono <vernono@there.com> typed:
And the last thing Jesus said to the apostles in concert was to go
get a sword, also if a group did not listen, give them the middle
finger salute (shake your sandal).
Too bad people can't read the entire bible and listen to what Jesus,
The Christ, said to do after He left.
You are talking about swords in a metaphorical way, but Jesus meant
the real swords that can hurt people's body. This here, however, is
about Spiritual things - opinions, thoughts, ideas... and it is
about TRUTH in the first instance.
No, I am talking about real swords and a pouch of money.
Of course that doesn't chang live by the sword and die by the sword.
And Jesus had compassion on several centurians. These had probably
killed tens or hundreds of people.
To say it with Jesus...
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name
of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them
to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am
with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matthew
28:19-20 KJV) To say it with Paul...
"I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who
shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove,
rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time
will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their
own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching
ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall
be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure
afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy
ministry. (2 Timothy 4:1-5 KJV) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye
may be able to stand against
the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of
the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high
places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may
be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having
on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the
preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of
faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of
the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the
Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and
supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all
perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that
utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to
make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador
in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
(Ephesians 6:11-20 KJV) In addition, I cannot see how your words might
fit to Chuck's
post... and whom you migth see getting a real sword...
But our sword is God's Word...
Amen?
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Yes, the word of God is a sword BUT Jesus talked of a real sword.
Jesus didn't mince words.
No, He did not, so we agree. I thought you were talking of using a sword
in the newsgroups, which is not real but metaphorical. That was why I
asked how your post fit as a result to Chuck's post. Sorry, I
misunderstood. I do believe we can defend ourselves if we are attacked
physically. Many people in usenet confuse the Spiritual fighting with the
physical war or physical attacks. they even feel that posting Scripture
they do not like is an attack...
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Agreed. But posting altered scripture or out of context scripture is
against God Himself.
There ain't no way I can justify myself by altering scripture or saying Paul
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vernono
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: Re: "All they that take the sword shall perish with the swor |
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"Chuck Stamford" <shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote in message
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"vernono" <vernono@there.com> wrote in message
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"Chuck Stamford" <shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote in message
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"vernono" <vernono@there.com> wrote in message
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" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6guhdpFhonpiU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:wsnqk.1235$Tb5.958@fe93.usenetserver.com,
vernono <vernono@there.com> typed:
And the last thing Jesus said to the apostles in concert was to go
get a sword, also if a group did not listen, give them the middle
finger salute (shake your sandal).
Too bad people can't read the entire bible and listen to what Jesus,
The Christ, said to do after He left.
You are talking about swords in a metaphorical way, but Jesus meant
the real swords that can hurt people's body. This here, however, is
about Spiritual things - opinions, thoughts, ideas... and it is about
TRUTH in the first instance.
No, I am talking about real swords and a pouch of money.
Of course that doesn't chang live by the sword and die by the sword.
And Jesus had compassion on several centurians. These had probably
killed tens or hundreds of people.
To say it with Jesus...
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of
the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to
observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with
you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matthew 28:19-20
KJV)
To say it with Paul...
"I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who
shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke,
exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come
when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts
shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they
shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto
fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work
of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. (2 Timothy 4:1-5
KJV)
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against
the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able
to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand
therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the
breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation
of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith,
wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the
wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit,
which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and
supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all
perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that
utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to
make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in
bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
(Ephesians 6:11-20 KJV)
In addition, I cannot see how your words might fit to Chuck's post...
and whom you migth see getting a real sword...
He said for his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy real swords, and
you are right that He was talking about real swords. However, it is
easily misunderstood when it is taken out of context. Jesus is there
contrasting the protection He provided for them while with them on
earth, with the fact that after His death, resurrection, and ascension
into heaven, they would not continue to enjoy that same level of
preservation.
Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come
to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given
Me, that they may be one as We are. 12 "While I was with them in the
world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and
none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture
might be fulfilled. 13 "But now I come to You, and these things I speak
in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. John
17:11-13
Compare with:
Then Jesus said to them, "All of you will be made to stumble because of
Me this night, for it is written: 'I will strike the Shepherd, And the
sheep of the flock will be scattered.' 32 "But after I have been raised,
I will go before you to Galilee." 33 Peter answered and said to Him,
"Even if all are made to stumble because of You, I will never be made to
stumble." 34 Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you that this
night, before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times." 35 Peter
said to Him, "Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You!" And
so said all the disciples. Matt 26:31-35
So the moneybag He told them to take this time is real, as is the sword,
but the TEACHING is concerning the change in the protection level Jesus'
disciples are about to experience that makes moneybags and swords part
of living out their lives as disciples of His.
I believe Jesus is teaching that the Christian cannot be completely
oblivious to money or to occasionally being called upon to defend what
God has entrusted into his charge, but that this is not to be over done
or used as an excuse for not trusting in God. Just because it is true
the watchman watches in vain if the Lord is not in it, so to it is true
that the Lord being in it doesn't allow the watchman to go home and
climb into bed. He must still "watch", for that is what the Lord has
called him to do.
But our sword is God's Word...
Amen?
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Yes, the word of God is a sword BUT Jesus talked of a real sword.
Jesus didn't mince words.
I agree with you 100%. I have seen too many ignore His teaching about
defense and scoff at those who protect us with their lives.
What they don't realize is that they are scoffing at a very important
aspect of the ideal Jesus gave us of love. He may have had to lay down
His life for us before the Romans without a struggle, but in the garden
the night before, when He sweat blood, there was certainly a titanic
spiritual battle going on! And Jesus' victory IS the destruction of
Satan's dominion, not Rome's. It doesn't take much imagination to hear
the howls of demonic pain on that night and all the next day, and forever
more!
That's all I'm saying, and I'm glad you agree. Love CAN'T sit by and
watch as the beloved is harmed. We can say it is up to God's love to do
something about it, but unless we've selectively chosen to forget God's
love dwells in US if we are children of His, we understand this to mean WE
can't sit by and watch the beloved harmed without doing something about
it...whatever we can, up to the limit of our strength and gifts in the
Lord. And none of this is an excuse for defending our own lives when they
are threatened simply so that we can continue to live on earth. If just
staying alive here is our **only** reason for fighting, then its wrong,
and we shouldn't do it.
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"vernono" <vernono@there.com> wrote in message
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In news:wsnqk.1235$Tb5.958@fe93.usenetserver.com,
vernono <vernono@there.com> typed:
And the last thing Jesus said to the apostles in concert was to go
get a sword, also if a group did not listen, give them the middle
finger salute (shake your sandal).
Too bad people can't read the entire bible and listen to what Jesus,
The Christ, said to do after He left.
You are talking about swords in a metaphorical way, but Jesus meant the
real swords that can hurt people's body. This here, however, is about
Spiritual things - opinions, thoughts, ideas... and it is about TRUTH
in the first instance.
No, I am talking about real swords and a pouch of money.
Of course that doesn't chang live by the sword and die by the sword.
And Jesus had compassion on several centurians. These had probably
killed tens or hundreds of people.
To say it with Jesus...
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of
the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to
observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with
you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matthew 28:19-20 KJV)
To say it with Paul...
"I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who
shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke,
exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when
they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall
they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall
turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an
evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. (2 Timothy 4:1-5 KJV)
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against
the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to
withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand
therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the
breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation
of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith,
wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the
Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication
for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I
may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For
which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as
I ought to speak. (Ephesians 6:11-20 KJV)
In addition, I cannot see how your words might fit to Chuck's post...
and whom you migth see getting a real sword...
He said for his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy real swords, and
you are right that He was talking about real swords. However, it is
easily misunderstood when it is taken out of context. Jesus is there
contrasting the protection He provided for them while with them on earth,
with the fact that after His death, resurrection, and ascension into
heaven, they would not continue to enjoy that same level of preservation.
Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come
to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me,
that they may be one as We are. 12 "While I was with them in the world, I
kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of
them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be
fulfilled. 13 "But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the
world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. John 17:11-13
Compare with:
Then Jesus said to them, "All of you will be made to stumble because of
Me this night, for it is written: 'I will strike the Shepherd, And the
sheep of the flock will be scattered.' 32 "But after I have been raised,
I will go before you to Galilee." 33 Peter answered and said to Him,
"Even if all are made to stumble because of You, I will never be made to
stumble." 34 Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you that this night,
before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times." 35 Peter said to
Him, "Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You!" And so said
all the disciples. Matt 26:31-35
So the moneybag He told them to take this time is real, as is the sword,
but the TEACHING is concerning the change in the protection level Jesus'
disciples are about to experience that makes moneybags and swords part of
living out their lives as disciples of His.
I believe Jesus is teaching that the Christian cannot be completely
oblivious to money or to occasionally being called upon to defend what
God has entrusted into his charge, but that this is not to be over done
or used as an excuse for not trusting in God. Just because it is true
the watchman watches in vain if the Lord is not in it, so to it is true
that the Lord being in it doesn't allow the watchman to go home and climb
into bed. He must still "watch", for that is what the Lord has called
him to do.
But our sword is God's Word...
Amen?
--
Yes, the word of God is a sword BUT Jesus talked of a real sword.
Jesus didn't mince words.
I agree with you 100%. I have seen too many ignore His teaching about
defense and scoff at those who protect us with their lives.
What they don't realize is that they are scoffing at a very important aspect
of the ideal Jesus gave us of love. He may have had to lay down His life
for us before the Romans without a struggle, but in the garden the night
before, when He sweat blood, there was certainly a titanic spiritual battle
going on! And Jesus' victory IS the destruction of Satan's dominion, not
Rome's. It doesn't take much imagination to hear the howls of demonic pain
on that night and all the next day, and forever more!
That's all I'm saying, and I'm glad you agree. Love CAN'T sit by and watch
as the beloved is harmed. We can say it is up to God's love to do something
about it, but unless we've selectively chosen to forget God's love dwells in
US if we are children of His, we understand this to mean WE can't sit by and
watch the beloved harmed without doing something about it...whatever we can,
up to the limit of our strength and gifts in the Lord. And none of this is
an excuse for defending our own lives when they are threatened simply so
that we can continue to live on earth. If just staying alive here is our
**only** reason for fighting, then its wrong, and we shouldn't do it.
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Hi Chuck
While looking at a link from another post found this and remembered
this debate.
http://www.johansens.us/sane/faith/pacifist.htm
Be Well
Matt
2 Peter 1:2
Grace and peace be yours in
abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. |
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I can't. To me that's part of our corrupted nature we're supposed to let
die. It's one thing to fight for someone else's well-being, another to
fight for our own. I can't find anywhere in Scripture that we are commanded
or even allowed to fight for just our own well-being at the expense of
another's. |
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"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:44:24 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:16:44 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:13:33 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:16:09 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:5qgja4pg3s85nkllbanu74sbch6gsb1kvi@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:07:00 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't
brag about them.
Wrong.
OK Vera's: View Bow before Vera, agree to everything Vera Says
(in
my opinion)
OK Matts View.: Have Faith in Christ our Lord, Have a commitment
to
God and Gods word, and good works don't hurt, just don't brag
about them.
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
"He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does
not
believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on
him" (Jn.3:36).
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
"Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is
to
come into the world" (Jn. 11:27).
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
Ephesians 2
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves, it is the gift of God;
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't
brag
about them.
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't
brag
about them.
God Bless
Matt
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My point has been made Vera
Only if you part your hair just right.
Is that the best you can do?
You're not worth the best I can do.
Hey that is my line )
No, your line is being one of the less bright village idiots keeping the
rest of us entertained. Now why don't you be a good little boy, and
archive
this post so I don't have to keep telling you this all the time?
Thank you Chuck. This is one of the nicer things you've said to me.
My server archives all post for about a year.
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That's good. Then from now on I'll just refer you to that. |
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"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:44:24 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:16:44 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:13:33 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:16:09 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:5qgja4pg3s85nkllbanu74sbch6gsb1kvi@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:07:00 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just
don't
brag about them.
Wrong.
OK Vera's: View Bow before Vera, agree to everything Vera Says
(in
my opinion)
OK Matts View.: Have Faith in Christ our Lord, Have a
commitment
to
God and Gods word, and good works don't hurt, just don't brag
about them.
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
"He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does
not
believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides
on
him" (Jn.3:36).
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
"Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is
to
come into the world" (Jn. 11:27).
In news:ofbja4t85v2o33dj3q9j34huvvqkc9cckf@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Insane one Vera,
Get help Vera
Matt
Ephesians 2
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves, it is the gift of God;
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't
brag
about them.
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
In news:srdja4tq23ti6ugm2vnvr2e3s607qcj881@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera there are no ""Christians by birth and good works""
It takes Faith, Commitment and good works don't hurt, just don't
brag
about them.
God Bless
Matt
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
My point has been made Vera
Only if you part your hair just right.
Is that the best you can do?
You're not worth the best I can do.
Hey that is my line )
No, your line is being one of the less bright village idiots keeping the
rest of us entertained. Now why don't you be a good little boy, and
archive
this post so I don't have to keep telling you this all the time?
Thank you Chuck. This is one of the nicer things you've said to me.
My server archives all post for about a year.
That's good. Then from now on I'll just refer you to that.
Sounds good to me. |
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I will say that God instilled a basic fight to survive.
I can't. To me that's part of our corrupted nature we're supposed to let
die. It's one thing to fight for someone else's well-being, another to
fight for our own. I can't find anywhere in Scripture that we are
commanded or even allowed to fight for just our own well-being at the
expense of another's.
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The incorrect word in my context is "fight"
To "fight" against another is one thing.
To not let a life that God gave you die is another.
When you are ill, you take medication or food.
You are basically promoting suicide.
We are to survive and SERVE as long as possible. It's about God, not us.
The fact that God gave us an inherent desire to survive is not an evil gift
or a gift of evil. |
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"Chuck Stamford" <shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote in message
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"vernono" <vernono@there.com> wrote in message
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I will say that God instilled a basic fight to survive.
I can't. To me that's part of our corrupted nature we're supposed to let
die. It's one thing to fight for someone else's well-being, another to
fight for our own. I can't find anywhere in Scripture that we are
commanded or even allowed to fight for just our own well-being at the
expense of another's.
The incorrect word in my context is "fight"
To "fight" against another is one thing.
To not let a life that God gave you die is another.
When you are ill, you take medication or food.
You are basically promoting suicide.
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No, you misunderstand my position. Probably more my fault than yours.
I'm saying that if we are new creatures "in Christ", we no longer are to
live our lives for ourselves, but for our brothers and sisters in the Lord;
for our "neighbors", and even for our enemies, and it is only when doing
THAT requires we fight against anyone, that we are justified in doing that.
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We are to survive and SERVE as long as possible. It's about God, not us.
The fact that God gave us an inherent desire to survive is not an evil
gift or a gift of evil.
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What I'm saying is that I doubt the desire to survive is anything God
designed into us. Why would He? Death was no part of God's original design
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I will say that God instilled a basic fight to survive.
I can't. To me that's part of our corrupted nature we're supposed to
let die. It's one thing to fight for someone else's well-being, another
to fight for our own. I can't find anywhere in Scripture that we are
commanded or even allowed to fight for just our own well-being at the
expense of another's.
The incorrect word in my context is "fight"
To "fight" against another is one thing.
To not let a life that God gave you die is another.
When you are ill, you take medication or food.
You are basically promoting suicide.
No, you misunderstand my position. Probably more my fault than yours.
I'm saying that if we are new creatures "in Christ", we no longer are to
live our lives for ourselves, but for our brothers and sisters in the
Lord; for our "neighbors", and even for our enemies, and it is only when
doing THAT requires we fight against anyone, that we are justified in
doing that.
We are to survive and SERVE as long as possible. It's about God, not us.
The fact that God gave us an inherent desire to survive is not an evil
gift or a gift of evil.
What I'm saying is that I doubt the desire to survive is anything God
designed into us. Why would He? Death was no part of God's original
design for man? I can see now that this is our only real point of
disagreement.
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You misunderstand first and second death.
Adam and Eve were NOT in a "heavenly" or spiritual world.
Listening to Satan took away their second (heavenly) life. (They would
surely die) Only God could intervene.and bring them into His presence.
Heaven and earth have ZERO physical similarity. When we "die" as
Christians, we become as Jesus and He is NOT a physical man. |
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" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
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In news:glen42-9A81A7.15062915082008@news.easynews.com,
Gunny Freedom <glen42@gmail.com> typed:
In article <6gm124Fg83s8U1@mid.individual.net>,
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:glen42-69047C.14063215082008@news.easynews.com,
Gunny Freedom <glen42@gmail.com> typed:
In article <_Ebpk.13561$Bt6.11530@newsfe04.iad>,
"Chuck Stamford" <shell-stamford@cox.net> wrote:
"Gunny Freedom" <glen42@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It's just amazing what you people will attempt to justify. 8-)
I do, in all sincerity, pray that the three of you will deal with
this dishonesty before we all stand in the judgement rather than
during it. I have no desire to see you suffer -- even if you do
glee over your attempts to make me suffer. It's wrong, and trust
me -- wrongness is better dealt with now than later.
And I pray that you'll take a flying leap at a rolling donut.
"This dishonesty" you're talking about is yours, so I don't think
any rational human beings will be trusting you anytime soon.
³But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy,
filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing
that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the
new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that
created him: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor
uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all,
and in all.² Colossians 3:8-11, KJV
Are you answering Chuck there, or me - or do you not really know yourself?
Amazing contrast there...
I have no doubt that your statement was as sincere as mine.
Christians will not stand in the Judgement. As children of God they
will not have to.
³For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every
one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath
done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the
Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust
also are made manifest in your consciences.² 2 Corinthians 5:10-11,
KJV
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying,
Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute
judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all
their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their
hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are
murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth
speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because
of advantage. But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before
of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there
should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own
ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not
the Spirit. But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy
faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God,
looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of
some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear,
pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the
flesh. Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present
you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the
only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both
now and ever. Amen. (Jude 1:14-25 KJV)
Why are you trying to intimidate those with Judgement who will not be
judged but the judges?
³For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every
one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath
done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the
Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust
also are made manifest in your consciences.² 2 Corinthians 5:10-11,
KJV
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men
loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (John
3:19 KJV)
You might probably find it unfair - but who are you to judge God?
Liars, however, I have heard, will not enter the gates of Heaven.
³I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me
witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual
sorrow in my heart.² Romans 9:1-2, KJV
³I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me
witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual
sorrow in my heart.² Romans 9:1-2, KJV
"Wrongness"? Good word choice. Literally rolls off the tongue.
I'm going to spend some time on your epic obfuscation you just
published in this thread. You've got so many additional blatant
falsehoods in it you're using to attempt to change direction from
your original lies that I'm having trouble deciding what to leave
in and what to edit out. So many lies, so little time!
Indeed, deception can be powerful. Today, FoxNews is proving
themselves capable of deceiving tens of thousands of otherwise
rational, thoughtful Americans into believing that Russia was the
aggressor against Georgia.
So I have no doubt that you, as a FoxNews acolyte, are capable of
deceiving at least some into believing what you claim about me.
"Highly skilled at propaganda" does not equal "high moral integrity"
though. --
From what I could see, Psalmsmith Gunny Freedom, you are the one who
knows most of the propaganda business as it seems to me. Reading your
latest ten or fifteen posts to me makes that absolutely clear. I do
not think that anyone will buy into that.
³Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but
condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight
of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably
with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give
place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay,
saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he
thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire
on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.²
Romans 12:16-21, KJV
Amen!
Have you read it?
Everyone who is seriously interested in the truth can clearly see
what you are doing.
³That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and
carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and
cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking
the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the
head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and
compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the
effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of
the body unto the edifying of itself in love.² Ephesians 4:14-16, KJV
I am surely not so easily "tossed to and fro and carried about with every
wind of doctrine"...
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour:
for we are members one of another. (Ephesians 4:25 KJV)
And now please do not forget not to respond to my post, because you
have promised to have finished with me several times and really look
very dishonest if you post your trash more than ten times after
claiming such a thing. The propaganda is jumping into everyone's
eyes already...
³Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew
out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if
ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie
not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is
earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is
confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is
first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of
mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And
the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.²
James 3:13-18, KJV
So? Lie not against the truth...
So why did you? I guess to treat me equally with Matt for a reason...
You will notice, Vera, that this guy is so slimy, and so stupid that when
you reminded him he had said he was through responding to you, and therefore
should not respond to your post here, he restricted his response to you to
biblical quotes *HE* chose, as if in doing this, it was "God" responding to
you instead of this weasel! Do you believe the presumption of this moron?
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Well Chuck, that's what pandering to imaginary deities does
for you.
Assumptions. (1) That man, the human mammal, inherited a
freak brain due to one of many quirks of nature [i.e.
evolution]. (2) That he, like all living things, is driven
primarily by the need for 'gratification. (3) That man's
freak brain can, inter alia, invent gods and then believe in
them for a lifetime of gratification.
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.
Man creates gods in his own image;
and then wastes the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.
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Chuck stated:
| Quote: | WE can't sit by and
watch the beloved harmed without doing something about it...whatever we
can,
up to the limit of our strength and gifts in the Lord.
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Attacking others and killing them is forbidden by Christ.
Even self-defence is a no,no.
"39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on
the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if someone wants to sue
you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41 If someone
forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles." Matt 5:39-41
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an excuse for defending our own lives when they are threatened simply so
that we can continue to live on earth.
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