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 Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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On Aug 1, 2:47 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
| Quote: | But that word is *never* translated as "holy" (and that author
strongly implies it was, likely why he just said Strong's "refers to"
it) in the New Testament; it is translated as "pure" only once in II
Pet. 3:1 (which was written in the second century by an unknown
Christian), and as "sincere" also only once in Php. 1:10 - written by
Paul.
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More important is the fact that people just don't understand the word
as much as you'd like to believe they do. The language is corrupted
by pagan references and abused by those that don't grasp the meanings.
Just the other day somebody told me that, "Everyday is holy". Men
believe by their own declaration they can proclaim that which is set
apart by Elohim and this is far from the case. Watch and tell me
which one makes more sense:
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
If like some, I subscribed to the word "holy" then everyday can be a
Sabbath. On the other hand, understanding that the Sabbath is set
apart from all other days, gives me a deeper understanding.
Notice a running theme in the entire bible:
Exo 3:10 “And now, come, I am sending you to Pharaoh, to bring My
people, the children of Yisra’ĕl, out of Mitsrayim.”
Jer 51:45 “Come out1 of her midst, My people! And let everyone deliver
his being from the burning displeasure of יהוה.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from the heaven saying, “Come out
of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of
her plagues.
So... do you come out and consider yourself HOLY or do you set
yourself apart?
Isa 45:18 For thus said יהוה, Creator of the heavens, He is Elohim,
Former of earth and its Maker, He established it, He did not create it
to be empty, He formed it to be inhabited: “I am יהוה, and there is
none else.
Isa 45:19 “I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Yaʽaqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain..’ I am יהוה,
speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
----------Again here we see another version of "come out of her my
people"
Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Isa 45:21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel
together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from
that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a
righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
Please come post your comments at
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
A moderated forum. |
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bob young
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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Linda Lee wrote:
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On Jul 29, 1:24 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
LindaLeewrote:
On Jul 26, 1:00 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
Raymond wrote:
On Jul 23, 6:09 pm, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people dont continue
to make them.
You need to put some snow on your head, Snow. It may cool your brain
and stop these silly postings full of lies and falsehoods.
Eze 20:15 And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
They know that it seems you need to make believe they don't and your
Sabbath has nothing to do with the Bible except that you are running
for the antichrist award, that could get you in Hell early then late.
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each
other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest
forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little
pigs of those it wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
Maybe it is you and Hoffman that are "perfect little pigs".
Read just a few of the exchanges between religionists here
and you will soon realise who the little pigs are.
No, its you and Hoffman.
And they are obviously 'confused little pigs' too !
That's also you and Hoffman.
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I notice your blinkers [blinders] are securely in place; as
per usual !
They are, of course, esential for anyone
wishing to persue religious doctrines of any kind.
To believe in God or in a guiding force because someone
tells you to is the height of stupidity. We are given senses
to receive our information within. With our own eyes we see,
and with our own skin we feel. With our intelligence, it is
intended that we understand. But each person must puzzle it
out for himself or herself.
[Sophy Burnham]
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bob young
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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Linda Lee wrote:
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On Aug 1, 1:23 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:
On Jul 29, 1:24 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
LindaLeewrote:
On Jul 26, 1:00 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
Raymond wrote:
On Jul 23, 6:09 pm, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people dont continue
to make them.
You need to put some snow on your head, Snow. It may cool your brain
and stop these silly postings full of lies and falsehoods.
Eze 20:15 And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
They know that it seems you need to make believe they don't and your
Sabbath has nothing to do with the Bible except that you are running
for the antichrist award, that could get you in Hell early then late.
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each
other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest
forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little
pigs of those it wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
Maybe it is you and Hoffman that are "perfect little pigs".
Read just a few of the exchanges between religionists here
and you will soon realise who the little pigs are.
No, its you and Hoffman.
And they are obviously 'confused little pigs' too !
That's also you and Hoffman.
I notice your blinkers [blinders] are securely in place; as
per usual !
They are, of course, esential for anyone
wishing to persue religious doctrines of any kind.
To believe in God or in a guiding force because someone
tells you to is the height of stupidity.
You don't have a clue why I believe in God. And it is atheism that
is "the height of stupidity".
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In that case you will have little difficulty in
demonstrating and reinforcing that claim.
FYI over 90% of religionists are/were inculcated into the
belief by parents and family members, further developed
later on by the clergy. If you are not among this group
then, yes, maybe i do not know why you believe in a god that
never shows.
Cheers
Bob |
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bob young
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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guardian Snow wrote:
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On Aug 1, 2:47 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
But that word is *never* translated as "holy" (and that author
strongly implies it was, likely why he just said Strong's "refers to"
it) in the New Testament; it is translated as "pure" only once in II
Pet. 3:1 (which was written in the second century by an unknown
Christian), and as "sincere" also only once in Php. 1:10 - written by
Paul.
More important is the fact that people just don't understand the word
as much as you'd like to believe they do. The language is corrupted
by pagan references and abused by those that don't grasp the meanings.
Just the other day somebody told me that, "Everyday is holy". Men
believe by their own declaration they can proclaim that which is set
apart by Elohim and this is far from the case. Watch and tell me
which one makes more sense:
Exo 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
If like some, I subscribed to the word "holy" then everyday can be a
Sabbath. On the other hand, understanding that the Sabbath is set
apart from all other days, gives me a deeper understanding.
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Strange, or is it, that some mere humans
seem to know more about what a god
they claim created the entire universe is thinking
than the god itself !
Atheists logically ask:
How come this god needs such people
when it is all powerful and we are to assume therefore,
perfectly capable of speaking on it's own behalf;
as it did to Moses on that mountain top ?
Pray do enlighten me.........
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.
Man creates gods in his own image;
and then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.
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Notice a running theme in the entire bible:
Exo 3:10 And now, come, I am sending you to Pharaoh, to bring My
people, the children of Yisra’ĕl, out of Mitsrayim.”
Jer 51:45 Come out1 of her midst, My people! And let everyone deliver
his being from the burning displeasure of יהוה.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from the heaven saying, Come out
of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of
her plagues.
So... do you come out and consider yourself HOLY or do you set
yourself apart?
Isa 45:18 For thus said יהוה, Creator of the heavens, He is Elohim,
Former of earth and its Maker, He established it, He did not create it
to be empty, He formed it to be inhabited: I am יהוה, and there is
none else.
Isa 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Yaʽaqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain.’ I am יהוה,
speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
----------Again here we see another version of "come out of her my
people"
Isa 45:20 Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Isa 45:21 Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel
together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from
that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a
righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
Please come post your comments at
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
A moderated forum. |
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Linda Lee
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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On Aug 1, 6:49 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Linda Lee wrote:
On Aug 1, 1:23 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:
On Jul 29, 1:24 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
LindaLeewrote:
On Jul 26, 1:00 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
Raymond wrote:
On Jul 23, 6:09 pm,guardianSnow<phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people dont continue
to make them.
You need to put somesnowon your head,Snow. It may cool your brain
and stop these silly postings full of lies and falsehoods.
Eze 20:15 And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
They know that it seems you need to make believe they don't and your
Sabbath has nothing to do with the Bible except that you are running
for the antichrist award, that could get you in Hell early then late.
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each
other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest
forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little
pigs of those it wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
Maybe it is you and Hoffman that are "perfect little pigs".
Read just a few of the exchanges between religionists here
and you will soon realise who the little pigs are.
No, its you and Hoffman.
And they are obviously 'confused little pigs' too !
That's also you and Hoffman.
I notice your blinkers [blinders] are securely in place; as
per usual !
They are, of course, esential for anyone
wishing to persue religious doctrines of any kind.
To believe in God or in a guiding force because someone
tells you to is the height of stupidity.
You don't have a clue why I believe in God. And it is atheism that
is "the height of stupidity".
In that case you will have little difficulty in
demonstrating and reinforcing that claim.
FYI over 90% of religionists are/were inculcated into the
belief by parents and family members, further developed
later on by the clergy. If you are not among this group
then, yes, maybe i do not know why you believe in a god that
never shows.
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You speak from ignorance.
Cheers. |
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Linda Lee
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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On Aug 1, 4:00 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 1, 2:47 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
But that word is *never* translated as "holy" (and that author
strongly implies it was, likely why he just said Strong's "refers to"
it) in the New Testament; it is translated as "pure" only once in II
Pet. 3:1 (which was written in the second century by an unknown
Christian), and as "sincere" also only once in Php. 1:10 - written by
Paul.
More important is the fact that people just don't understand the word
as much as you'd like to believe they do. The language is corrupted
by pagan references and abused by those that don't grasp the meanings.
Just the other day somebody told me that, "Everyday is holy". Men
believe by their own declaration they can proclaim that which is set
apart by Elohim and this is far from the case. Watch and tell me
which one makes more sense:
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
If like some, I subscribed to the word "holy" then everyday can be a
Sabbath. On the other hand, understanding that the Sabbath is set
apart from all other days, gives me a deeper understanding.
Notice a running theme in the entire bible:
Exo 3:10 “And now, come, I am sending you to Pharaoh, to bring My
people, the children of Yisra’ĕl, out of Mitsrayim.”
Jer 51:45 “Come out1 of her midst, My people! And let everyone deliver
his being from the burning displeasure of יהוה.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from the heaven saying, “Come out
of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of
her plagues.
So... do you come out and consider yourself HOLY or do you set
yourself apart?
Isa 45:18 For thus said יהוה, Creator of the heavens, He is Elohim,
Former of earth and its Maker, He established it, He did not create it
to be empty, He formed it to be inhabited: “I am יהוה, and there is
none else.
Isa 45:19 “I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Yaʽaqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain.’ I am יהוה,
speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
----------Again here we see another version of "come out of her my
people"
Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Isa 45:21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel
together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from
that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a
righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free athttp://www.isr-messianic.org/
Please come post your comments athttp://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
A moderated forum.
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How do you know that author is accurate on the origin of the word
'holy' in the English language? She wasn't honest in implying the
Strong's verified her claims of the origin of the word translated
'holy' in the Scriptures. Many of these types of things are written
by atheists who have an agenda.
You wrote:
| Quote: | According to Dictionary of Mythology Folklore and Symbols, the
following is stated about the word HOLY: In practically all languages,
the word "holy" has been derived from the divinely honored sun.
According to Encyclopedia of Religions, HOLI is the Great Hindu spring
festival, held in honour of Krishna, as the spring sun-god.
Strong's
Concordance refers to "heile" (the sun's rays).
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Here is 'holy' from the American Heritage Dictionary, and it's
etymology at bottom is different:
ho·ly
adj. ho·li·er, ho·li·est
Belonging to, derived from, or associated with a divine power;
sacred.
Regarded with or worthy of worship or veneration; revered: a holy
book.
Living according to a strict or highly moral religious or spiritual
system; saintly: a holy person.
Specified or set apart for a religious purpose: a holy place.
Solemnly undertaken; sacrosanct: a holy pledge.
Regarded as deserving special respect or reverence: The pursuit of
peace is our holiest quest.
Informal Used as an intensive: raised holy hell over the mischief
their children did.
[etymology of the word 'holy']:
[Middle English holi, from Old English hālig; see kailo- in Indo-
European roots.]
Also, the author says "In practically all languages" and does not say
this is the etymology of the word in the English language. Linguists
argue about the source of words all the time.
Note this entry from an etymology dictionary:
Online Etymology Dictionary - holy
O.E. halig "holy," from P.Gmc. *khailagas (cf. O.N. heilagr, Ger.
heilig, Goth. hailags "holy"), adopted at conversion for L. sanctus.
Primary (pre-Christian) meaning is not impossible to determine, but it
was probably "that must be preserved whole or intact, that cannot be
transgressed or violated," and connected with O.E. hal (see health)
and O.H.G. heil "health, happiness, good luck" (source of the Ger.
salutation heil). Use of Holy Land for "western Palestine" dates to
1297. Holy water was in O.E. Holy smoke (1889), holy mackerel (1903),
etc., all euphemisms for holy Christ. Phrase holier-than-thou in
reference to supercilious sanctimony first recorded 1912 in writings
of Theodore Dreiser.
One of the dictionaries I just looked at (can't find it now) said
'holy' was first substituted for sacred in the Latin Vulgate.
How about sacred, which 4th definition includes "set apart"?
sa·cred (sā′krid)
adjective
1. consecrated to or belonging to the divinity or a deity; holy
2. of or connected with religion or religious rites a sacred song
3. regarded with the respect or reverence accorded holy things;
venerated; hallowed
4. set apart for, and dedicated to, some person, place, purpose,
sentiment, etc. sacred to his memory
From the online Etymology Dictionary:
sacred
c.1300, from pp. of obs. verb sacren "to make holy" (c.1225), from
O.Fr. sacrer (12c.), from L. sacrare "to make sacred, consecrate,"
from sacer (gen. sacri) "sacred, dedicated, holy, accursed," from O.L.
saceres, which Tucker connects to base *saq- "bind, restrict, enclose,
protect," explaining that "words for both 'oath' & 'curse' are
regularly words of 'binding.' " But Buck merely groups it with Oscan
sakrim, Umbrian sacra and calls it "a distinctive Italic group,
without any clear outside connections." Nasalized form is sancire
"make sacred, confirm, ratify, ordain." Sacred cow "object of Hindu
veneration," is from 1891; fig. sense is first recorded 1910, from
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bob young
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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Linda Lee wrote:
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On Aug 1, 6:49 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:
On Aug 1, 1:23 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:
On Jul 29, 1:24 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
LindaLeewrote:
On Jul 26, 1:00 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
Raymond wrote:
On Jul 23, 6:09 pm,guardianSnow<phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people dont continue
to make them.
You need to put somesnowon your head,Snow. It may cool your brain
and stop these silly postings full of lies and falsehoods.
Eze 20:15 And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
They know that it seems you need to make believe they don't and your
Sabbath has nothing to do with the Bible except that you are running
for the antichrist award, that could get you in Hell early then late.
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each
other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest
forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little
pigs of those it wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
Maybe it is you and Hoffman that are "perfect little pigs".
Read just a few of the exchanges between religionists here
and you will soon realise who the little pigs are.
No, its you and Hoffman.
And they are obviously 'confused little pigs' too !
That's also you and Hoffman.
I notice your blinkers [blinders] are securely in place; as
per usual !
They are, of course, esential for anyone
wishing to persue religious doctrines of any kind.
To believe in God or in a guiding force because someone
tells you to is the height of stupidity.
You don't have a clue why I believe in God. And it is atheism that
is "the height of stupidity".
In that case you will have little difficulty in
demonstrating and reinforcing that claim.
FYI over 90% of religionists are/were inculcated into the
belief by parents and family members, further developed
later on by the clergy. If you are not among this group
then, yes, maybe i do not know why you believe in a god that
never shows.
You speak from ignorance.
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Thank you for those kind words,
speak for yourself then - were you one of the above?
How many of the above are you aquainted with ?
What percentage then do you consider got their belief from
their parents ?
30% 40% 60 % ?
What percentage of Islamists do you consider were inculcated
as children into their belief,
as opposed to those who may have switched sides ?
You are very fond of making snide comments, how about some
practical ideas on the subject?
Perhaps you know I am close to the true facts, leaving you
only with 'ignorance' jibes.
Which is it?
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.
Man creates gods in his own image;
and then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.
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Cheers
Bob
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guardian Snow
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On Aug 2, 3:46 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
| Quote: | How do you know that author is accurate on the origin of the word
'holy' in the English language? She wasn't honest in implying the
Strong's verified her claims of the origin of the word translated
'holy' in the Scriptures. Many of these types of things are written
by atheists who have an agenda.
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You missed my original point Linda. People don't understand what
"holy" means. If they did then nobody would suggest that everyday can
be holy because it's not a part of the definition. More over, I
prefer using the term "set apart" because of clarity. I'll show you
why "Holy" is a bad word to use...
(KJV)
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy
nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of
him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(Scriptures +1998)
1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a set-apart
nation, a people for a possession, that you should proclaim the
praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvellous
light,
If you are a "holy nation" then doesn't that in fact put you on an
equal footing with Elohim?
Why would you use the same word to describe Christians, who still sin
and demonstrate they are anything but "holy" as you use to describe
Elohim????
Set apart on the other hand makes a lot more sense and doesn't give
the reader the holier then thou, wrong attitude. You are of course
entitled to use whatever word you choose but I will set my self apart,
you can be holy.
Shalom,
*)
. .*) .*)
(. (. (Snow(..*)
Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
Please come post your comments at
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
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Linda Lee
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On Aug 3, 10:58 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 2, 3:46 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
How do you know that author is accurate on the origin of the word
'holy' in the English language? She wasn't honest in implying the
Strong's verified her claims of the origin of the word translated
'holy' in the Scriptures. Many of these types of things are written
by atheists who have an agenda.
You missed my original point Linda. People don't understand what
"holy" means. If they did then nobody would suggest that everyday can
be holy because it's not a part of the definition. More over, I
prefer using the term "set apart" because of clarity. I'll show you
why "Holy" is a bad word to use...
(KJV)
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy
nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of
him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(Scriptures +1998)
1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a set-apart
nation, a people for a possession, that you should proclaim the
praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvellous
light,
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I don't understand. Elohiym (God) should be the last one described as
HOLI, if HOLI is the name of a pagan god. But Set-Apart Spirit
doesn't really make sense (set apart from what, as the Creator is a
one-of-a-kind Spirit). I just looked and notice the Scriptures +1998
calls God the Set-Apart Spirit.
(I use the Elohiym spelling because it is pronounced el-o-heem', and
most would pronounce it el-o-him with a short i sound without the y in
it.)
| Quote: | If you are a "holy nation" then doesn't that in fact put you on an
equal footing with Elohim?
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Not equal, but 'set-apart' from the rest of the world with Him:
John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he
will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto
him, and make our abode with him."
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Why would you use the same word to describe Christians, who still sin
and demonstrate they are anything but "holy" as you use to describe
Elohim????
Set apart on the other hand makes a lot more sense and doesn't give
the reader the holier then thou, wrong attitude. You are of course
entitled to use whatever word you choose but I will set my self apart,
you can be holy.
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Well, I don't really feel 'holy', but I certainly feel set-apart from
some, otherwise they drag you into whatever 'sin' strikes their
fancy. Sacred means set-apart as well, and I don't think it has any
pagan origin, but who knows?
Since other religions existed before Judaism, and we get our version
of the Scriptures through a pagan source (Rome), maybe all terms used
to describe God have pagan origins. 'God' is even one of those
terms.
And then the Hebrew Scriptures call God Elohiym and 'other gods' are
'other elohiym' as well. ??? Look what the word 'other' is
translated from Heb. 309 - "A primitive root; to loiter (that is, be
behind); by implication to procrastinate". Not 'set apart' but
loitering behind, procrastinating here rather than returning to God
and Heaven. That definition of 'other' in relation to 'other gods'
indicates fallen angels to me, angels who prefer to be left behind in
the earthly realm apart from Heaven and God.
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Shalom,
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(. (. (Snow(..*)
Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free athttp://www.isr-messianic.org/
Please come post your comments athttp://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
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A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church. |
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guardian Snow
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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On Aug 4, 2:45 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 3, 10:58 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
On Aug 2, 3:46 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
How do you know that author is accurate on the origin of the word
'holy' in the English language? She wasn't honest in implying the
Strong's verified her claims of the origin of the word translated
'holy' in the Scriptures. Many of these types of things are written
by atheists who have an agenda.
You missed my original point Linda. People don't understand what
"holy" means. If they did then nobody would suggest that everyday can
be holy because it's not a part of the definition. More over, I
prefer using the term "set apart" because of clarity. I'll show you
why "Holy" is a bad word to use...
(KJV)
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy
nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of
him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(Scriptures +1998)
1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a set-apart
nation, a people for a possession, that you should proclaim the
praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvellous
light,
I don't understand. Elohiym (God) should be the last one described as
HOLI, if HOLI is the name of a pagan god. But Set-Apart Spirit
doesn't really make sense (set apart from what, as the Creator is a
one-of-a-kind Spirit). I just looked and notice the Scriptures +1998
calls God the Set-Apart Spirit.
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It makes perfect sense when you consider how many gods you can
google. His name is esteemed and even his title should should not be
shared with the likes of Zues, Baal or the thousands of other Pagan
gods.
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of יהוה your Elohim to naught, for
יהוה does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
Don't you realize that the very title god breaks the commandment? The
ironic thing is that even the CJB continues this wrong tradition.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain;
for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in
vain.
as if making it capitols is making it stand apart.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
Please come post your comments at
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
A moderated forum.
http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church. |
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Linda Lee
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:50 am Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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On Aug 3, 5:21 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 4, 2:45 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Aug 3, 10:58 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
On Aug 2, 3:46 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
How do you know that author is accurate on the origin of the word
'holy' in the English language? She wasn't honest in implying the
Strong's verified her claims of the origin of the word translated
'holy' in the Scriptures. Many of these types of things are written
by atheists who have an agenda.
You missed my original point Linda. People don't understand what
"holy" means. If they did then nobody would suggest that everyday can
be holy because it's not a part of the definition. More over, I
prefer using the term "set apart" because of clarity. I'll show you
why "Holy" is a bad word to use...
(KJV)
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy
nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of
him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(Scriptures +1998)
1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a set-apart
nation, a people for a possession, that you should proclaim the
praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvellous
light,
I don't understand. Elohiym (God) should be the last one described as
HOLI, if HOLI is the name of a pagan god. But Set-Apart Spirit
doesn't really make sense (set apart from what, as the Creator is a
one-of-a-kind Spirit). I just looked and notice the Scriptures +1998
calls God the Set-Apart Spirit.
It makes perfect sense when you consider how many gods you can
google. His name is esteemed and even his title should should not be
shared with the likes of Zues, Baal or the thousands of other Pagan
gods.
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of יהוה your Elohim to naught, for
יהוה does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
Don't you realize that the very title god breaks the commandment? The
ironic thing is that even the CJB continues this wrong tradition.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain;
for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in
vain.
as if making it capitols is making it stand apart.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free athttp://www.isr-messianic.org/
Please come post your comments athttp://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
A moderated forum.
http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
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Snow,
Look at this one. The English word church and Circe (Greek goddess)
are from the same Norse word:
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
Circe – noun
1. Also, *** Kirke.*** Also called Aeaea. Classical Mythology. the
enchantress represented by Homer as turning the companions of Odysseus
into swine by means of a magic drink.
Etymological origins of the word 'CHURCH' (also from Dictionary.com) -
notice *** kirk *** at the end: [Origin: bef. 900; ME chir(i)che, OE
cir(i)ce ≪ Gk kȳri(a)kón (dôma) the Lord's (house), neut. of
kȳriakós of the master, equiv. to kȳ́ri(os) master (kŷr(os) power + -
ios n. suffix) + -akos, var. of -ikos -ic; akin to D kerk, G Kirche,
ON kirkja. See kirk]
kirk Scot. kɪrk/ [kurk; Scot. kirk] – noun
1. Chiefly Scot. and North England. a church.
2. the Kirk, the Church of Scotland (Presbyterian), as distinguished
from the Church of England or the Scottish Episcopal Church.
[Origin: 1150–1200; ME (north and Scots) < ON kirkja church]
============================
Now look what ekklesia (translated church in the New Testament) means:
Gk. 1577 ekklēsia - ek-klay-see'-ah
From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; **** a calling
out,**** that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a
religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of
members on earth or saints in heaven or both)
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Linda Lee
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:55 am Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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On Aug 3, 5:21 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 4, 2:45 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Aug 3, 10:58 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
On Aug 2, 3:46 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
How do you know that author is accurate on the origin of the word
'holy' in the English language? She wasn't honest in implying the
Strong's verified her claims of the origin of the word translated
'holy' in the Scriptures. Many of these types of things are written
by atheists who have an agenda.
You missed my original point Linda. People don't understand what
"holy" means. If they did then nobody would suggest that everyday can
be holy because it's not a part of the definition. More over, I
prefer using the term "set apart" because of clarity. I'll show you
why "Holy" is a bad word to use...
(KJV)
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy
nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of
him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(Scriptures +1998)
1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a set-apart
nation, a people for a possession, that you should proclaim the
praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvellous
light,
I don't understand. Elohiym (God) should be the last one described as
HOLI, if HOLI is the name of a pagan god. But Set-Apart Spirit
doesn't really make sense (set apart from what, as the Creator is a
one-of-a-kind Spirit). I just looked and notice the Scriptures +1998
calls God the Set-Apart Spirit.
It makes perfect sense when you consider how many gods you can
google. His name is esteemed and even his title should should not be
shared with the likes of Zues, Baal or the thousands of other Pagan
gods.
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of יהוה your Elohim to naught, for
יהוה does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
Don't you realize that the very title god breaks the commandment?
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It is from the German word 'gott', but what pagan diety is that or is
it from?
| Quote: | The
ironic thing is that even the CJB continues this wrong tradition.
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What is CJB?
| Quote: |
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain;
for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in
vain.
as if making it capitols is making it stand apart.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free athttp://www.isr-messianic.org/
Please come post your comments athttp://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
A moderated forum.
http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church. |
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guardian Snow
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On Aug 4, 12:55 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 3, 5:21 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
On Aug 4, 2:45 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Aug 3, 10:58 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
On Aug 2, 3:46 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
How do you know that author is accurate on the origin of the word
'holy' in the English language? She wasn't honest in implying the
Strong's verified her claims of the origin of the word translated
'holy' in the Scriptures. Many of these types of things are written
by atheists who have an agenda.
You missed my original point Linda. People don't understand what
"holy" means. If they did then nobody would suggest that everyday can
be holy because it's not a part of the definition. More over, I
prefer using the term "set apart" because of clarity. I'll show you
why "Holy" is a bad word to use...
(KJV)
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy
nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of
him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(Scriptures +1998)
1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a set-apart
nation, a people for a possession, that you should proclaim the
praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvellous
light,
I don't understand. Elohiym (God) should be the last one described as
HOLI, if HOLI is the name of a pagan god. But Set-Apart Spirit
doesn't really make sense (set apart from what, as the Creator is a
one-of-a-kind Spirit). I just looked and notice the Scriptures +1998
calls God the Set-Apart Spirit.
It makes perfect sense when you consider how many gods you can
google. His name is esteemed and even his title should should not be
shared with the likes of Zues, Baal or the thousands of other Pagan
gods.
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of יהוה your Elohim to naught, for
יהוה does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
Don't you realize that the very title god breaks the commandment?
It is from the German word 'gott', but what pagan diety is that or is
it from?
The
ironic thing is that even the CJB continues this wrong tradition.
What is CJB?
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Complete Jewish Bible.. it contains the New Testament. I would also
point out that the JPS Jewish Publication Society also hold the
tradition of using the a common name GOD. We both know thats an
incorrect translation. People need to unplug from the old way of
thinking and realize Elohim wants us to come out completely from the
false church of Idol/image worship and worship in the spirit.
While a majority of people might understand what idea you are putting
forward, using the correct words forces them to do things like look up
proper words.
When somebody witnesses one of our post and see's that we say Elohim,
they will google it and figure out what we mean.
1Jn 4:4 You are of Elohim, little children, and have overcome them,
because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.1
Footnote: 1See Messiah in you in Explanatory Notes.
1Jn 4:5 They are of the world, therefore they speak as of the world,
and the world hears them.
1Jn 4:6 We are of Elohim – the one knowing Elohim hears us. He who is
not of Elohim does not hear us. By this we know the Spirit of the
Truth and the spirit of the delusion.
1Jn 4:7 Beloved ones, let us love one another, because love is of
Elohim, and everyone who loves has been born of Elohim, and knows
Elohim.
On another front, I've also found many pastors are busy trying to
refute the Messianic movement that is coming and don't kid yourself,
it is a movement. You've been a witness to it for longer then I have
and have seen that from the days of almost nothing on the Web to now,
literally thousands of web sites are coming to the truth.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
Please come post your comments at
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
A moderated forum.
http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
Isa 45:19 “I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Yaʽaqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain..’ I am יהוה,
speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Isa 45:21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel
together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from
that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a
righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me.
Isa 45:22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I
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cactus
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guardian Snow wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 4, 12:55 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Aug 3, 5:21 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
On Aug 4, 2:45 am, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Aug 3, 10:58 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
On Aug 2, 3:46 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
How do you know that author is accurate on the origin of the word
'holy' in the English language? She wasn't honest in implying the
Strong's verified her claims of the origin of the word translated
'holy' in the Scriptures. Many of these types of things are written
by atheists who have an agenda.
You missed my original point Linda. People don't understand what
"holy" means. If they did then nobody would suggest that everyday can
be holy because it's not a part of the definition. More over, I
prefer using the term "set apart" because of clarity. I'll show you
why "Holy" is a bad word to use...
(KJV)
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy
nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of
him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(Scriptures +1998)
1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a set-apart
nation, a people for a possession, that you should proclaim the
praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvellous
light,
I don't understand. Elohiym (God) should be the last one described as
HOLI, if HOLI is the name of a pagan god. But Set-Apart Spirit
doesn't really make sense (set apart from what, as the Creator is a
one-of-a-kind Spirit). I just looked and notice the Scriptures +1998
calls God the Set-Apart Spirit.
It makes perfect sense when you consider how many gods you can
google. His name is esteemed and even his title should should not be
shared with the likes of Zues, Baal or the thousands of other Pagan
gods.
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of יהוה your Elohim to naught, for
יהוה does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
Don't you realize that the very title god breaks the commandment?
It is from the German word 'gott', but what pagan diety is that or is
it from?
The
ironic thing is that even the CJB continues this wrong tradition.
What is CJB?
Complete Jewish Bible.. it contains the New Testament.
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No such animal. That is a complete Bible from a Christian perspective.
Your Greek Testament has nothing to do with Judaism; in fact, it is an
act of apostasy to accept it.
I would also
| Quote: | point out that the JPS Jewish Publication Society also hold the
tradition of using the a common name GOD. We both know thats an
incorrect translation. People need to unplug from the old way of
thinking and realize Elohim wants us to come out completely from the
false church of Idol/image worship and worship in the spirit.
While a majority of people might understand what idea you are putting
forward, using the correct words forces them to do things like look up
proper words.
When somebody witnesses one of our post and see's that we say Elohim,
they will google it and figure out what we mean.
1Jn 4:4 You are of Elohim, little children, and have overcome them,
because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.1
Footnote: 1See Messiah in you in Explanatory Notes.
1Jn 4:5 They are of the world, therefore they speak as of the world,
and the world hears them.
1Jn 4:6 We are of Elohim – the one knowing Elohim hears us. He who is
not of Elohim does not hear us. By this we know the Spirit of the
Truth and the spirit of the delusion.
1Jn 4:7 Beloved ones, let us love one another, because love is of
Elohim, and everyone who loves has been born of Elohim, and knows
Elohim.
On another front, I've also found many pastors are busy trying to
refute the Messianic movement that is coming and don't kid yourself,
it is a movement. You've been a witness to it for longer then I have
and have seen that from the days of almost nothing on the Web to now,
literally thousands of web sites are coming to the truth.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
Please come post your comments at
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
A moderated forum.
http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
Isa 45:19 “I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Yaʽaqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain.’ I am יהוה,
speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Isa 45:21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel
together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from
that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a
righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me.
Isa 45:22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I
am Ěl, and there is none else.
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guardian Snow
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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On Aug 5, 7:33 am, Aaron <a...@home.net> wrote:
| Quote: | When somebody witnesses one of our post and see's that we say Elohim,
they will google it and figure out what we mean.
While the use of "God" is not really appropriate for Bible
translations, it is not forbidden, just inadequate. The word "god"
which comes from the germanic "gott" means a deity. Elohim is vastly
superior to the deities to which the germans refered when they made up
the word. Since it is not specific, and does not impose limits upon
Elohim, the casual use of the word is not blasphemous. In
translations, it is more accurate to retain the original term used
because of the subtelties of meaning that would be lost by the use of
"God" or "Lord (used for Adonai which we use for HaShem)."
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Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of יהוה your Elohim to naught, for
יהוה does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
I must strongly disagree with you brother and understand that I do so
with only the intention of preserving the esteemed name of our
heavenly Elohim. I do not believe it is consistent with the spirit of
the command to use such a common word like "god" to identify יהוה Ěl
Shaddai. Generic comes to mind when you say "god" because if you
google God, you will come up with literally thousands of different
names but we have one EL.
Psa 44:20 If we have forgotten the Name of our Elohim, Or stretched
out our hands to a foreign mighty one,
Psa 44:21 Would Elohim not search this out? For He knows the secrets
of the heart.
Psa 44:22 But for Your sake we are killed all day long; Reckoned as
sheep for the slaughter.
Psa 44:23 Awake! Why do You sleep, O יהוה? Arise! Do not reject us
forever.
Psa 44:24 Why do You hide Your face, Ignoring our affliction and our
oppression?
Psa 44:25 For our being is bowed down to the dust; Our body cleaves to
the earth.
Psa 44:26 Arise, be our help, And redeem us for Your kindness’ sake..
I respect your opinion but wanted to voice my argument brother. My
Elohim is not in the same category as Zeus, Baal or Mammon and is
above all those generic terms that make his title common and not set
apart from all the others.
Shalom,
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Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human
beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives
and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally
save their lives.
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Isa 45:19 “I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Yaʽaqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain..’ I am יהוה,
speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Isa 45:21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel
together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from
that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a
righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me.
Isa 45:22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I
am Ěl, and there is none else. |
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