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Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people don’t continue
to make them.
Eze 20:15 “And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
including a cross. We need to be keeping the Sabbath and learning the
covenant of Moses.
Act 15:20 but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of
idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood.1
Footnote: 1See v.29.
Act 15:21 “For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city,
those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every
Sabbath.”
Notice that two of the ordinances Peter told the new church to keep
were dietary because Moses was read on the Sabbath. The Sabbath
indicates clearly that even after the resurrection of the Messiah we
are renewing the covenant of Moses by the Blood.
Mat 26:28 “For this is My blood, that of the renewed covenant, which
is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Christians also error in understanding the set apart spirit of our
Father which produces signs to show that one has it. Christians
wrongly go around claiming they have this spirit as if it
automatically embues every believer but this is not the case. The
Messiah was clear in that we need to ask for it:
Mar 16:17 “And these signs shall accompany the ones who believe: In My
Name they shall cast out demons, they shall speak with renewed
tongues,
Mar 16:18 they shall take up snakes, and if they drink any deadly
drink it shall by no means hurt them, they shall lay hands on the sick
and they shall get well.”
So we clearly see that we have a sign to identify those who truly
believe and if you look around, nobody is able to produce these
signs… think long and hard about that fact.
The next major error I’ve seen is the assumption that we are living in
the New Covenant era. Christians wrongly assume that “grace” has been
given over to the gentile nations completely and while gentiles are
being called, they aren’t answering for the most part. The call is to
keep the commandments and the faith of HaMashiach Yaheshua Messiah.
Mat 19:17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good
except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
commands.”1 Footnote:1See Lk. 10:28, John 12:50, Rev. 22:14.
Mat 19:18 He said to Him, “Which?” And יהושע said, “ ‘You shall not
murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You
shall not bear false witness,’
Mat 19:19 ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ and ‘You shall love
your neighbour as yourself.’ ”
This is because we are being redeemed by the covenant of Moses and by
extension David, which was the promise of the Messiah to restore his
people. The New Covenant will take effect upon the return of the
Messiah and is a description of life in Paradise.
Jer 31:31 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall
make a new covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of
Yehuḏah1, Footnote: 1See Heb. 8:8-12, Heb. 10:16-17.
The covenant is with Israel and Judah. The gentile nations are
grafted into this branch by means of believing the teachings of the
Messiah and if you believe, you do as he taught and keep the
commandments of the Father.
1Jn 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we guard His
commands and do what is pleasing in His sight.1 Footnote: 1Prov. 28:9,
John 9:31, Jm. 5:16.
1Jn 3:23 And this is His command, that we should believe in the Name
of His Son יהושע Messiah and love one another, as He gave us command.
1Jn 3:24 And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in
him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He
gave us.1 Footnote: 1John 14:23-24, Acts 5:32, Rom. 8:7-11, 1 John
2:5, 1 John 4:13.
Christians will wrongly debate this until the return of the Messiah to
their own detriment and the results of this wrong belief are here:
Mat 7:20 “So then, by their fruits you shall know them –
Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter
into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My
Father in the heavens.
Mat 7:22 “Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we
not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and
done many mighty works in Your Name?’
Mat 7:23 “And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart
from Me, you who work lawlessness!’1 Footnote: 1 See v. 15.
Do not assume that you have been given a free pass to commit yourself
to lawlessness and follow those who preach it. Until you understand
that because of our wickedness, we have all been cursed. Don’t
believe me then crack open that bible, pray for wisdom and actually
read it with a open heart.
The KJV bible is not a inspired translation but is a version that has
blended paganism into the Greek scriptures and is a faulty version.
All versions of the scriptures have removed the Sabbath after the
Messiah’s resurrection on 8 occations that are used to justify Sun day
worship using a pagan name for the Messiah that is pronounced “He
Zeus” in the Latin.
We can be certain of the fact that we don’t live in New Covenant times
by reading scriptures that describes this era like this:
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day
when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of
Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to
them,” declares יהוה.
Now first off notice, Israel and Judah broke the covenant but not our
Father. Our Father’s word remains true and the covenant of Moses is
everlasting.
Exo 31:16 ‘And the children of Yisra’ĕl shall guard the Sabbath, to
observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting
covenant.
If anybody teaches you otherwise, like the serpent in the Garden they
are calling Elohim a liar. The conditions of the new covenant make
this clear…
Jer 32:36 “And now, thus said יהוה, the Elohim of Yisra’ĕl, concerning
this city of which you say, ‘It shall be given into the hand of the
sovereign of Baḇel by the sword, and by scarcity of food, and by
pestilence’:
We were given over to the King of Babylon because we were wicked and
didn’t keep his covenant.
Jer 32:37 ‘See, I am gathering them out of all the lands where I have
driven them in My displeasure, and in My wrath, and in great rage. And
I shall bring them back to this place, and shall let them dwell in
safety.
You are being called to ‘come out of her, my people’
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from the heaven saying, “Come out
of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of
her plagues.1 Footnote: 1Jer. 51:6 & 45.
So that you can return to the truth and learn…
Jer 32:38 ‘And they shall be My people, and I shall be their Elohim..
Jer 32:39 ‘And I shall give them one heart and one way, to fear Me all
the days, for the good of them and of their children after them.
Jer 32:40 ‘And I shall make an everlasting covenant with them, that I
do not turn back from doing good to them. And I shall put My fear in
their hearts so as not to turn aside from Me.
Jer 32:41 ‘And I shall rejoice over them to do good to them, and shall
plant them in this land in truth, with all My heart and with all My
being.’
Jer 32:42 “For thus said יהוה, ‘As I have brought all this great evil
on this people, so I am bringing on them all the good that I am
speaking to them.
We need only look back to the prophets and Moses and learn from our
Father’s Torah:
Jer 31:34 “And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbour, and
each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,’ for they shall all know Me,
from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares יהוה. “For I
shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”
Jer 31:35 Thus said יהוה, who gives the sun for a light by day, and
the laws of the moon and the stars for a light by night, who stirs up
the sea, and its waves roar – יהוה of hosts is His Name:
Jer 31:36 “If these laws vanish from before Me,” declares יהוה, “then
the seed of Yisra’ĕl shall also cease from being a nation before Me
forever.”
Don’t be like the thousand who will dispute this truth:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them,
lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets;
let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them
from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the
prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the
dead.
One has risen.. will you hear from him? Do not assume that you have
your assurance until you have truly believed the words faith of
HaMashiach Yaheshua Messiah.
Mar 1:1 The beginning of the Good News of יהושע Messiah, the Son of
Elohim.
Mar 1:2 As it has been written in the Prophets, “See, I send My
messenger before Your face, who shall prepare Your way before You,1
Footnote: 1Mal. 3:1.
Mar 1:3 a voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way of
יהוה, make His paths straight.’ ”1 Footnote: 1Isa. 40:3.
Start with repenting and turning back to Elohim.
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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On Jul 23, 6:09pm, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
| Quote: | Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people dont continue
to make them.
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I would not believe you as so far the only major errors is in your
mind, as you do not want to follow what the Bible does say.
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Eze 20:15 And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
including a cross. We need to be keeping the Sabbath and learning the
covenant of Moses.
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I suppose we are not to use a bed to sleep in as one has to bow down
to make it and get into it. Then why do you think the Old Testament
is applicable to the Christians that the New Testament shows us is the
way one should live. We do keep the Sabbath as everyday of the weak
should be a holy day, not just one day a week. True believers of
which it is clear no not, do not follow the covenant of Moses as we
are not Jews. Do you think Jesus was on an graven image since he was
on the Cross. Then a cross is not a graven image it is a tool for
exicution. I can see you need to add to the Bible such remarks then
a false statement is still not the truth.
| Quote: | Act 15:20 but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of
idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood.1
Footnote: 1See v.29.
Act 15:21 For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city,
those proclaiming him being read in the congregations every
Sabbath.
Notice that two of the ordinances Peter told the new church to keep
were dietary because Moses was read on the Sabbath. The Sabbath
indicates clearly that even after the resurrection of the Messiah we
are renewing the covenant of Moses by the Blood.
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No I do not see any ordinances that Peter is preaching, he pointed out
the the generations of the past was wrong and they made the law a idol
and made the Sabbath a form of idol worship and there is nowhere in
the teaching of Jesus or the early church that teaches the old
covenant is needed, the Law is finished as Christ Jesus paid for the
sin and the NEW covenant is for the Christian Church in Christ Jesus.
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Mat 26:28 For this is My blood, that of the renewed covenant, which
is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins.
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Why do you not use the Bible that is acceptable by Christians then
what ever version your using or making up? The Blood of Jesus not the
LAW of Moses.
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Christians also error in understanding the set apart spirit of our
Father which produces signs to show that one has it. Christians
wrongly go around claiming they have this spirit as if it
automatically embues every believer but this is not the case. The
Messiah was clear in that we need to ask for it:
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The only error here is yours. The Spirit of God is with the Christian
and you are wrong in your statements. You seem to have you own kind
of Messiah that is not the true one, as many anti-messiah will come as
the antichrist.
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Mar 16:17 And these signs shall accompany the ones who believe: In My
Name they shall cast out demons, they shall speak with renewed
tongues,
Mar 16:18 they shall take up snakes, and if they drink any deadly
drink it shall by no means hurt them, they shall lay hands on the sick
and they shall get well.
So we clearly see that we have a sign to identify those who truly
believe and if you look around, nobody is able to produce these
signs think long and hard about that fact.
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We have such signs in our church and cast out demons if they come
near, and poison does not hurt when taken by mistake as Jesus is the
Healer. Then maybe in the group of false believers such would not be
around and nobody in your group can produce such. I find it not hard
to produce as Christ Jesus does still answer prayer as He is the same
today and always was and will be. I do not have to think hard or
little; we live in the power of Christ and see all kind of healings
and miracles on a regular basis.
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The next major error Ive seen is the assumption that we are living in
the New Covenant era. Christians wrongly assume that grace has been
given over to the gentile nations completely and while gentiles are
being called, they arent answering for the most part. The call is to
keep the commandments and the faith of HaMashiach Yaheshua Messiah.
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Yes your assumption that we are not living in the New Covenant is
meaning you are not in that covenant and so all you have is false and
you are the one in error.
The Christian that love Jesus as Lord and Saviour does have Gods
grace, something you seem to know nothing of. We are not told to keep
the commandments and the laws of Moses, and it would be proper if you
write in English you call JESUS and SAVIOUR the proper terms, not your
JEWS names since you kind of Jews is the one that rejected Jesus and
His blood for the forgivness of ALL SIN as seen by 1 John 1:7
snip out the falsehoods, I would think a Islamic person would be more
trustworth then your are, at lease they do not play that they believe
and follow the bible.
What a told waste of time reading your remarks it reminds me of when
Satan took Jesus to the mountain and used the Bibe which Jesus
corrected and rejected which you seem to want and follow. I wait for
you false reply to this post, as it seems you can not know the Spirit
of God and with out Jesus you have nothing.
Raymond |
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guardian Snow
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:31 am Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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On Jul 24, 11:11 am, Raymond <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 23, 6:09 pm, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people don’t continue
to make them.
I would not believe you as so far the only major errors is in your
mind, as you do not want to follow what the Bible does say.
Eze 20:15 “And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
including a cross. We need to be keeping the Sabbath and learning the
covenant of Moses.
I suppose we are not to use a bed to sleep in as one has to bow down
to make it and get into it. Then why do you think the Old Testament
is applicable to the Christians that the New Testament shows us is the
way one should live. We do keep the Sabbath as everyday of the weak
should be a holy day, not just one day a week. True believers of
which it is clear no not, do not follow the covenant of Moses as we
are not Jews. Do you think Jesus was on an graven image since he was
on the Cross. Then a cross is not a graven image it is a tool for
exicution. I can see you need to add to the Bible such remarks then
a false statement is still not the truth.
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The Messiah was clear:
Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones,1 here are those
guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of יהושע.2 Footnotes:
1In 12:17 they are called “the remnant” 2See Seven-fold Message of
Revelation in Explanatory Notes.
Joh 12:50 “And I know that His command is everlasting life.1
Therefore, whatever I speak, as the Father has said to Me, so I
speak.”
The commands lead to everlasting life.
Mat 19:16 And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good
shall I do to have everlasting life?”
Mat 19:17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good
except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
commands.”1 Footnote:1See Lk. 10:28, John 12:50, Rev. 22:14.
Mat 19:18 He said to Him, “Which?” And יהושע said, “ ‘You shall not
murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You
shall not bear false witness,’
Mat 19:19 ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ and ‘You shall love
your neighbour as yourself.’ ”
Keeping the commandments is a light burden and speaks nothing to
keeping the entire Mosaic Covenant. The key issue is the Sabbath as
the sign between Elohim and his people.
It you do not believe these simple scriptures then clearly you do not
believe the Messiah that spoke to you to keep the commandments. Very
simply, you demonstrate that you are not his follower but that you
follow mans tradition and not the tradition preached by the Messiah.
Mar 7:8 “Forsaking the command of Elohim, you hold fast the tradition
of men.”
Mar 7:9 And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of
Elohim, in order to guard your tradition.
Joh 14:21 “He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who
loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall
love him and manifest Myself to him.”
What are his commandments?
1Jn 2:7 Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command
which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word
which you heard from the beginning.1 Footnote: 1See v. 24.
Rev 22:13 “I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End,
the First and the Last.
Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those1 doing His commands,2 so that the
authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through
the gates into the city.
Luk 18:19 So יהושע said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is
good except One – Elohim.
Luk 18:20 “You know the commands, ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not
murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Respect your
father and your mother.’ ”
Every gospel and every book speaks of keeping the commandments and you
ignore it to your own peril. This is the scriptures as laid out and
of keeping the Sabbath, it is no debate for me.
Eze 20:20 ‘And set apart My Sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between
Me and you, to know that I am יהוה your Elohim.’
Exo 31:13 “And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My
Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign1 between Me
and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting
you apart. Footnote: 1The only sign of יהוה setting us apart, the only
sign of the everlasting covenant, is His Sabbaths, one of them being
the seventh day Sabbath. This is repeated in Ezek. 20:12 & 20.
Exo 31:14 ‘And you shall guard the Sabbath, for it is set-apart to
you. Everyone who profanes it shall certainly be put to death, for
anyone who does work on it, that being shall be cut off from among his
people.
Exo 31:15 ‘Six days work is done, and on the seventh is a Sabbath of
rest, set-apart to יהוה. Everyone doing work on the Sabbath day shall
certainly be put to death.
Exo 31:16 ‘And the children of Yisra’ĕl shall guard the Sabbath, to
observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting
covenant.
Exo 31:17 ‘Between Me and the children of Yisra’ĕl it is a sign
forever. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, and on
the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”
Exo 31:18 And when He had ended speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He
gave Mosheh two tablets of the Witness, tablets of stone, written with
the finger of Elohim.
You choose not to bend your knee to his will, it's your choice.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
| Quote: | Act 15:20 but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of
idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood.1
Footnote: 1See v.29.
Act 15:21 “For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city,
those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every
Sabbath.”
Notice that two of the ordinances Peter told the new church to keep
were dietary because Moses was read on the Sabbath. The Sabbath
indicates clearly that even after the resurrection of the Messiah we
are renewing the covenant of Moses by the Blood.
No I do not see any ordinances that Peter is preaching, he pointed out
the the generations of the past was wrong and they made the law a idol
and made the Sabbath a form of idol worship and there is nowhere in
the teaching of Jesus or the early church that teaches the old
covenant is needed, the Law is finished as Christ Jesus paid for the
sin and the NEW covenant is for the Christian Church in Christ Jesus.
Mat 26:28 “For this is My blood, that of the renewed covenant, which
is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Why do you not use the Bible that is acceptable by Christians then
what ever version your using or making up? The Blood of Jesus not the
LAW of Moses.
Christians also error in understanding the set apart spirit of our
Father which produces signs to show that one has it. Christians
wrongly go around claiming they have this spirit as if it
automatically embues every believer but this is not the case. The
Messiah was clear in that we need to ask for it:
The only error here is yours. The Spirit of God is with the Christian
and you are wrong in your statements. You seem to have you own kind
of Messiah that is not the true one, as many anti-messiah will come as
the antichrist.
Mar 16:17 “And these signs shall accompany the ones who believe: In My
Name they shall cast out demons, they shall speak with renewed
tongues,
Mar 16:18 they shall take up snakes, and if they drink any deadly
drink it shall by no means hurt them, they shall lay hands on the sick
and they shall get well.”
So we clearly see that we have a sign to identify those who truly
believe and if you look around, nobody is able to produce these
signs… think long and hard about that fact.
We have such signs in our church and cast out demons if they come
near, and poison does not hurt when taken by mistake as Jesus is the
Healer. Then maybe in the group of false believers such would not be
around and nobody in your group can produce such. I find it not hard
to produce as Christ Jesus does still answer prayer as He is the same
today and always was and will be. I do not have to think hard or
little; we live in the power of Christ and see all kind of healings
and miracles on a regular basis.
The next major error I’ve seen is the assumption that we are living in
the New Covenant era. Christians wrongly assume that “grace” has been
given over to the gentile nations completely and while gentiles are
being called, they aren’t answering for the most part. The call is to
keep the commandments and the faith of HaMashiach Yaheshua Messiah.
Yes your assumption that we are not living in the New Covenant is
meaning you are not in that covenant and so all you have is false and
you are the one in error.
The Christian that love Jesus as Lord and Saviour does have Gods
grace, something you seem to know nothing of. We are not told to keep
the commandments and the laws of Moses, and it would be proper if you
write in English you call JESUS and SAVIOUR the proper terms, not your
JEWS names since you kind of Jews is the one that rejected Jesus and
His blood for the forgivness of ALL SIN as seen by 1 John 1:7
snip out the falsehoods, I would think a Islamic person would be more
trustworth then your are, at lease they do not play that they believe
and follow the bible.
What a told waste of time reading your remarks it reminds me of when
Satan took Jesus to the mountain and used the Bibe which Jesus
corrected and rejected which you seem to want and follow. I wait for
you false reply to this post, as it seems you can not know the Spirit
of God and with out Jesus you have nothing.
Raymond |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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On Jul 23, 6:09pm, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
| Quote: | Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people dont continue
to make them.
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You need to put some snow on your head, Snow. It may cool your brain
and stop these silly postings full of lies and falsehoods.
| Quote: | Eze 20:15 And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
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They know that it seems you need to make believe they don't and your
Sabbath has nothing to do with the Bible except that you are running
for the antichrist award, that could get you in Hell early then late. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:27 am Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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On Jul 24, 12:31 am, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au>
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| Quote: | On Jul 24, 11:11 am, Raymond <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
The Messiah was clear:
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Your not!
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Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones,1 here are those
guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of יהושע.2 Footnotes:
1In 12:17 they are called “the remnant” 2See Seven-fold Message of
Revelation in Explanatory Notes.
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Your scam is not going to work with them that do love Jesus. Your
verses do not even fit the bible, what do you do make it up as you go?
Rev 14:9-16
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice,"If
anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his
forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of
the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of
His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the
presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And
the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no
rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever
receives the mark of his name."
12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the
commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Write:'Blessed are
the dead who die in the Lord from now on.'"
"Yes," says the Spirit,"that they may rest from their labors, and
their works follow them."
Reaping the Earth's Harvest
14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One
like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His
hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple,
crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud,"Thrust in Your
sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the
harvest of the earth is ripe." 16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in
His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.
NKJV
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Joh 12:50 “And I know that His command is everlasting life.1
Therefore, whatever I speak, as the Father has said to Me, so I
speak.”
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John 12:42-50
42 Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but
because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be
put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved the praise of men more
than the praise of God.
44 Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, believes not
in Me but in Him who sent Me. 45 And he who sees Me sees Him who sent
Me. 46 I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes
in Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if anyone hears My words
and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge
the world but to save the world. 48 He who rejects Me, and does not
receive My words, has that which judges him — the word that I have
spoken will judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken on My
own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I
should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is
everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has
told Me, so I speak." NKJV
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On Jul 26, 11:11 am, Raymond <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 23, 6:09 pm, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au
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Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people don’t continue
to make them.
You need to put some snow on your head, Snow. It may cool your brain
and stop these silly postings full of lies and falsehoods.
Eze 20:15 “And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
They know that it seems you need to make believe they don't and your
Sabbath has nothing to do with the Bible except that you are running
for the antichrist award, that could get you in Hell early then late.
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Eze 20:12 “And I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign1 between
them and Me, to know that I am יהוה who sets them apart.. Footnote:
1See Ex. 31:13-17.
Eze 20:13 “But the house of Yisra’ĕl rebelled against Me in the
wilderness. They did not walk in My laws, and they rejected My right-
rulings, which, if a man does, he shall live by them. And they greatly
profaned My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My wrath on them in
the wilderness, to consume them.
Eze 20:14 “But I acted for My Name’s sake, not to profane it before
the gentiles, before whose eyes I had brought them out.
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
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bob young
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Raymond wrote:
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On Jul 23, 6:09pm, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au
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Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people dont continue
to make them.
I would not believe you as so far the only major errors is in your
mind, as you do not want to follow what the Bible does say.
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A book printed and distributed and written by humans does
not 'say' anything.
But if one reads it carefully free from mental restrictions
it soon reveals itself as largely a catalogue of primitive error.
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Eze 20:15 And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
including a cross. We need to be keeping the Sabbath and learning the
covenant of Moses.
I suppose we are not to use a bed to sleep in as one has to bow down
to make it and get into it. Then why do you think the Old Testament
is applicable to the Christians that the New Testament shows us is the
way one should live. We do keep the Sabbath as everyday of the weak
should be a holy day, not just one day a week. True believers of
which it is clear no not, do not follow the covenant of Moses as we
are not Jews. Do you think Jesus was on an graven image since he was
on the Cross. Then a cross is not a graven image it is a tool for
exicution.
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right - for executing mythology you young people who will
suffer from it for the rest of their lives apart from a few
like me who see through it at la later age
I can see you need to add to the Bible such remarks then
| Quote: | a false statement is still not the truth.
Act 15:20 but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of
idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood.1
Footnote: 1See v.29.
Act 15:21 For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city,
those proclaiming him being read in the congregations every
Sabbath.
Notice that two of the ordinances Peter told the new church to keep
were dietary because Moses was read on the Sabbath. The Sabbath
indicates clearly that even after the resurrection of the Messiah we
are renewing the covenant of Moses by the Blood.
No I do not see any ordinances that Peter is preaching, he pointed out
the the generations of the past was wrong and they made the law a idol
and made the Sabbath a form of idol worship and there is nowhere in
the teaching of Jesus or the early church that teaches the old
covenant is needed, the Law is finished as Christ Jesus paid for the
sin and the NEW covenant is for the Christian Church in Christ Jesus.
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Prove that Christ ever existed outside of mythology
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Mat 26:28 For this is My blood, that of the renewed covenant, which
is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Why do you not use the Bible that is acceptable by Christians then
what ever version your using or making up? The Blood of Jesus not the
LAW of Moses.
Christians also error in understanding the set apart spirit of our
Father which produces signs to show that one has it. Christians
wrongly go around claiming they have this spirit as if it
automatically embues every believer but this is not the case. The
Messiah was clear in that we need to ask for it:
The only error here is yours. The Spirit of God is with the Christian
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Define 'spirit' using modern terminology
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.
Man creates gods in his own image;
and then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.
| Quote: | and you are wrong in your statements. You seem to have you own kind
of Messiah that is not the true one, as many anti-messiah will come as
the antichrist.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall accompany the ones who believe: In My
Name they shall cast out demons, they shall speak with renewed
tongues,
Mar 16:18 they shall take up snakes, and if they drink any deadly
drink it shall by no means hurt them, they shall lay hands on the sick
and they shall get well.
So we clearly see that we have a sign to identify those who truly
believe and if you look around, nobody is able to produce these
signs think long and hard about that fact.
We have such signs in our church and cast out demons if they come
near, and poison does not hurt when taken by mistake as Jesus is the
Healer. Then maybe in the group of false believers such would not be
around and nobody in your group can produce such. I find it not hard
to produce as Christ Jesus does still answer prayer as He is the same
today and always was and will be. I do not have to think hard or
little; we live in the power of Christ and see all kind of healings
and miracles on a regular basis.
The next major error Ive seen is the assumption that we are living in
the New Covenant era. Christians wrongly assume that grace has been
given over to the gentile nations completely and while gentiles are
being called, they arent answering for the most part. The call is to
keep the commandments and the faith of HaMashiach Yaheshua Messiah.
Yes your assumption that we are not living in the New Covenant is
meaning you are not in that covenant and so all you have is false and
you are the one in error.
The Christian that love Jesus as Lord and Saviour does have Gods
grace, something you seem to know nothing of. We are not told to keep
the commandments and the laws of Moses, and it would be proper if you
write in English you call JESUS and SAVIOUR the proper terms, not your
JEWS names since you kind of Jews is the one that rejected Jesus and
His blood for the forgivness of ALL SIN as seen by 1 John 1:7
snip out the falsehoods, I would think a Islamic person would be more
trustworth then your are, at lease they do not play that they believe
and follow the bible.
What a told waste of time reading your remarks it reminds me of when
Satan took Jesus to the mountain and used the Bibe which Jesus
corrected and rejected which you seem to want and follow. I wait for
you false reply to this post, as it seems you can not know the Spirit
of God and with out Jesus you have nothing.
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Raymond wrote:
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On Jul 23, 6:09pm, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people dont continue
to make them.
You need to put some snow on your head, Snow. It may cool your brain
and stop these silly postings full of lies and falsehoods.
Eze 20:15 And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
They know that it seems you need to make believe they don't and your
Sabbath has nothing to do with the Bible except that you are running
for the antichrist award, that could get you in Hell early then late.
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"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each
other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest
forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little
pigs of those it wins over to its side."
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On Jul 26, 3:00 pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each
other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest
forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little
pigs of those it wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
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It really is a shame this is so true Bob. The scriptures puts it like
this:
Mat 15:3 But He answering, said to them, Why do you also transgress
the command of Elohim1 because of your tradition? Footnote: 1See Mat.
5:20.
Mat 15:7 Hypocrites! Yeshayahu rightly prophesied about you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draw near to Me with their mouth, and respect Me
with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the
commands of men. 1 Footnote: 1Isa. 29:13, Mk. 7:7, 2 Ki. 17:19.
All those Sunday worshiping people that don't keep the words of our
Father in heaven, worship in vain.
Vanity... to proud to admit that they aren't keeping something as
simple as a 7th day Sabbath. It's no wonder people like you have no
desire to follow them.
Take care Bob. I hope someday you find that true faith.
Thanks for posting,
Shalom,
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(. (. (Snow(..*)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
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On Jul 26, 10:00 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Duke and this is a wrong practice by the
commandments... but ... since you don't need to keep the commandments
by your own admission
Very misleading comment, snow. God's 10+1 commandments are final. And God
himself said that the Levi laws are old and worn out and need replacing.
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Then how do you explain not keeping the 7th day Sabbath? Elohim or
his son יהושע Messiah never said such a thing unless of course you
believe the Messiah was a puppet and needed to have missionary Paul
speak for him. The Messiah isn't like our Father, who was a spirit...
Yaheshua said that if you wish to enter into life, keep the
commandments.
Mat 19:17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good
except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the
commands.”1 Footnote:1See Lk. 10:28, John 12:50, Rev. 22:14.
Mat 19:18 He said to Him, “Which?” And יהושע said, “ ‘You shall not
murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You
shall not bear false witness,’
Mat 19:19 ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ and ‘You shall love
your neighbour as yourself.’ ”
| Quote: | and for that matter none of the Pauline
Christian churches do... you can pay lip service and "know" your
"salvation" is assured by Apostle Paul...
Why do you continue with this line when I have clearly advised you that Paul is
not God and that his letters are exactly in line with what Christ said, not my
words but those of the Chruch that Christ founded?
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I see it as sinful pride that the Christian church ignores this clear
teaching and instead follows after Paul and the no named author of
Hebrews. Just because you are entrenched in a wrong tradition doesn't
mean that you can't repent and make the choice to choose life, keep
the commandments.
Mat 15:8 ‘This people draw near to Me with their mouth, and respect Me
with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mat 15:9 ‘But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the
commands of men.’ ”1
It's pride thats deeply entrenched in the church. A church that
claims to follow the Messiah and pays lip service to his words while
following after the missionary writings of Pharisee Paul.
Act 26:5 since they have known me from the first, if they wish to
witness, that I lived as a Pharisee according to the strictest sect of
our observance.
How much clearer does it need to be? You reject the ways of Elohim to
keep the traditions of men, entrenched in your church ways, to proud
to admit you've been deceived, just as I was by a false church that
breaks the covenants and twist his words to suite a way he did not
speak of.
Deu 11:26 ‘See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse:
Deu 11:27 the blessing, when you obey the commands of יהוה your Elohim
which I command you today;
Deu 11:28 and the curse, if you do not obey the commands of יהוה your
Elohim, but turn aside from the way which I command you today, to go
after other mighty ones which you have not known.
While you "say" they preached the same message... you blindly ignore
the entire bible outside of the writings of Paul and then claim they
are the same message...
Your claim is that the commandments written by the very finger of
Elohim are weak but the scriptures outside of Hebrews say they are
perfect and a way to life.
Psa 19:7 The Torah of יהוה is perfect, bringing back the being; The
witness of יהוה is trustworthy, making wise the simple;
Psa 19:8 The orders of יהוה are straight, rejoicing the heart; The
command of יהוה is clear, enlightening the eyes;
Psa 19:9 The fear of יהוה is clean, standing forever; The right-
rulings of יהוה are true, They are righteous altogether,
Psa 19:10 More desirable than gold, Than much fine gold; And sweeter
than honey and the honeycomb.
Psa 19:11 Also, Your servant is warned by them, In guarding them there
is great reward.
Argue with King David, who's throne is established forever and where
the Messiah sits and rules.
Shalom,
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¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
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On Jul 26, 1:00 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Raymond wrote:
On Jul 23, 6:09 pm, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people dont continue
to make them.
You need to put some snow on your head, Snow. It may cool your brain
and stop these silly postings full of lies and falsehoods.
Eze 20:15 And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
They know that it seems you need to make believe they don't and your
Sabbath has nothing to do with the Bible except that you are running
for the antichrist award, that could get you in Hell early then late.
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each
other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest
forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little
pigs of those it wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
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On Jul 28, 3:27 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 26, 1:00 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
Raymond wrote:
On Jul 23, 6:09 pm, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people dont continue
to make them.
You need to put some snow on your head, Snow. It may cool your brain
and stop these silly postings full of lies and falsehoods.
Eze 20:15 And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
They know that it seems you need to make believe they don't and your
Sabbath has nothing to do with the Bible except that you are running
for the antichrist award, that could get you in Hell early then late.
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each
other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest
forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little
pigs of those it wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
Maybe it is you and Hoffman that are "perfect little pigs".
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Actually, given the fact that most Christians wrongly believe they are
not to keep the dietary practices of the scriptures, I found it to be
a perfectly ironic statement.
Isa 65:2 I have held out My hands all day long to a stubborn people,
who walk in a way that is not good, after their own thoughts;
Isa 65:3 the people who provoke Me continually to My face, who
slaughter in gardens, and burn incense on altars of brick;
Isa 65:4 who sit among the graves, and spend the night in secret
places, who eat flesh of pigs1, and the broth of unclean meat is in
their pots, Footnote: 1See 66:17.
Isa 65:5 who say, Keep to yourself, do not come near me, for I am set-
apart to you! These are smoke in My nostrils, a fire that burns all
day.
Shalom,
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(. (. (Snow(..*)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
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On Jul 28, 1:57 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 28, 3:27 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Jul 26, 1:00 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
Raymond wrote:
On Jul 23, 6:09 pm, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people dont continue
to make them.
You need to put some snow on your head, Snow. It may cool your brain
and stop these silly postings full of lies and falsehoods.
Eze 20:15 And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
They know that it seems you need to make believe they don't and your
Sabbath has nothing to do with the Bible except that you are running
for the antichrist award, that could get you in Hell early then late.
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each
other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest
forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little
pigs of those it wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
Maybe it is you and Hoffman that are "perfect little pigs".
Actually, given the fact that most Christians wrongly believe they are
not to keep the dietary practices of the scriptures, I found it to be
a perfectly ironic statement.
Isa 65:2 I have held out My hands all day long to a stubborn people,
who walk in a way that is not good, after their own thoughts;
Isa 65:3 the people who provoke Me continually to My face, who
slaughter in gardens, and burn incense on altars of brick;
Isa 65:4 who sit among the graves, and spend the night in secret
places, who eat flesh of pigs1, and the broth of unclean meat is in
their pots, Footnote: 1See 66:17.
Isa 65:5 who say, Keep to yourself, do not come near me, for I am set-
apart to you! These are smoke in My nostrils, a fire that burns all
day.
Shalom,
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(. (. (Snow(..*)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free athttp://www.isr-messianic.org/
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Ironically, the atheist Bob Young and R. J. Hoffman are quoting Celsus
(a Greek philosopher and enemy of Christianity) who believed in
multiple deities, rather than one God.
"To Celsus, it was much more reasonable to believe that each part of
the world has its own special deity". - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celsus
The original works of Celsus (whom Hoffman has translated) have been
lost and all that is left of his writings are contained in Origen's
'Contra Celsus'.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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On Jul 28, 4:09 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 28, 1:57 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
On Jul 28, 3:27 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Jul 26, 1:00 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
Raymond wrote:
On Jul 23, 6:09 pm, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people dont continue
to make them.
You need to put some snow on your head, Snow. It may cool your brain
and stop these silly postings full of lies and falsehoods.
Eze 20:15 And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
They know that it seems you need to make believe they don't and your
Sabbath has nothing to do with the Bible except that you are running
for the antichrist award, that could get you in Hell early then late.
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each
other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest
forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little
pigs of those it wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
Maybe it is you and Hoffman that are "perfect little pigs".
Actually, given the fact that most Christians wrongly believe they are
not to keep the dietary practices of the scriptures, I found it to be
a perfectly ironic statement.
Isa 65:2 I have held out My hands all day long to a stubborn people,
who walk in a way that is not good, after their own thoughts;
Isa 65:3 the people who provoke Me continually to My face, who
slaughter in gardens, and burn incense on altars of brick;
Isa 65:4 who sit among the graves, and spend the night in secret
places, who eat flesh of pigs1, and the broth of unclean meat is in
their pots, Footnote: 1See 66:17.
Isa 65:5 who say, Keep to yourself, do not come near me, for I am set-
apart to you! These are smoke in My nostrils, a fire that burns all
day.
Shalom,
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(. (. (Snow(..*)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free athttp://www.isr-messianic.org/
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< Personally, I quit eating pigmeat 25-30 years ago.
Thats because you are a smart Lady. What I find interesting is that
people would rather eat unclean meat then to error on the side of
Elohim.
It's like the whole issue over the Sabbath... No passage inside the
entire scripture, including Paul or Hebrews says to change the Sabbath
to Sunday... But because men are more interested in keeping
traditions of other men, rather then Elohim... they rebel against the
truth.
Even if the entire doctrine of "faith without works" were true... Why
would you purposely break the commandment for the traditions of men???
Rom 3:8 And why not say, Let us do evil so that the good might come?
as we are wrongly accused and as some claim that we say. Their
judgment is in the right.
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not
be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.
Rom 7:12 So that the Torah truly is set-apart, and the command set-
apart, and righteous, and good.
Now I realize the issue that is the two sided argument but even if you
followed after Paul... wouldn't you want to error on the side of
keeping the commandments?
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me, that is in my flesh, dwells no good.
For to wish is present with me, but to work the good I do not find.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I wish to do, I do not do; but the evil I
do not wish to do, this I practise.
But then by his own admission, Paul practiced evil.
Shalom,
*)
. .*) .*)
(. (. (Snow(..*)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ |
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Linda Lee
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Covenant Errors of Christians |
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On Jul 28, 2:28 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 28, 4:09 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Jul 28, 1:57 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
On Jul 28, 3:27 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
On Jul 26, 1:00 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
Raymond wrote:
On Jul 23, 6:09 pm, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
Major errors exist in Christian doctrine. No other way to put it
except to explain what those errors are so that people dont continue
to make them.
You need to put some snow on your head, Snow. It may cool your brain
and stop these silly postings full of lies and falsehoods.
Eze 20:15 And I Myself also lifted My hand in an oath to them in the
wilderness, not to bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, the splendour of all lands,
Eze 20:16 because they rejected My right-rulings and did not walk in
My laws, and they profaned My Sabbaths. For their heart went after
their idols.
As Christians we should not be bowing before any graven images,
They know that it seems you need to make believe they don't and your
Sabbath has nothing to do with the Bible except that you are running
for the antichrist award, that could get you in Hell early then late.
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each
other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest
forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement in
their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little
pigs of those it wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
Maybe it is you and Hoffman that are "perfect little pigs".
Actually, given the fact that most Christians wrongly believe they are
not to keep the dietary practices of the scriptures, I found it to be
a perfectly ironic statement.
Isa 65:2 I have held out My hands all day long to a stubborn people,
who walk in a way that is not good, after their own thoughts;
Isa 65:3 the people who provoke Me continually to My face, who
slaughter in gardens, and burn incense on altars of brick;
Isa 65:4 who sit among the graves, and spend the night in secret
places, who eat flesh of pigs1, and the broth of unclean meat is in
their pots, Footnote: 1See 66:17.
Isa 65:5 who say, Keep to yourself, do not come near me, for I am set-
apart to you! These are smoke in My nostrils, a fire that burns all
day.
Shalom,
*)
. .*) .*)
(. (. (Snow(..*)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free athttp://www.isr-messianic.org/
Personally, I quit eating pigmeat 25-30 years ago.
Thats because you are a smart Lady. What I find interesting is that
people would rather eat unclean meat then to error on the side of
Elohim.
It's like the whole issue over the Sabbath... No passage inside the
entire scripture, including Paul or Hebrews says to change the Sabbath
to Sunday... But because men are more interested in keeping
traditions of other men, rather then Elohim... they rebel against the
truth.
Even if the entire doctrine of "faith without works" were true... Why
would you purposely break the commandment for the traditions of men???
Rom 3:8 And why not say, Let us do evil so that the good might come?
as we are wrongly accused and as some claim that we say. Their
judgment is in the right.
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not
be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.
Rom 7:12 So that the Torah truly is set-apart, and the command set-
apart, and righteous, and good.
Now I realize the issue that is the two sided argument but even if you
followed after Paul... wouldn't you want to error on the side of
keeping the commandments?
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I see what you mean. When Paul contradicts himself, people should go
with the part that coincides with what the Messiah taught. But you
know why Paul contradicted himself, because he gave a different story
depending on whether he was speaking to Gentiles or Jews, according to
him:
1Co 9:19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself
servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the
Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might
gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not
without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain
them that are without law.
1Co 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I
am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1Co 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be
partaker thereof with you.
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Rom 7:18 For I know that in me, that is in my flesh, dwells no good.
For to wish is present with me, but to work the good I do not find.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I wish to do, I do not do; but the evil I
do not wish to do, this I practise.
But then by his own admission, Paul practiced evil.
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1 John 3:10 "In this the children of God are manifest, and the
children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of
God, neither he that loveth not his brother." Paul failed on both
counts - according to his own writings.
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Shalom,
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. .*) .*)
(. (. (Snow(..*)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence |
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