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Larry Ochoa
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 Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 1:16 pm Post subject: Elitism |
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I've only recently begun to look into Satanism, and more specifically, the
Church of Satan. I've not yet read the Satanic Bible (it's in the mail),
but from reading the material that's available online, it seems as though
Satanism is a philosophy for people who wish to be elite. Granted, I feel
like I think more than a large portion of the population, but I don't really
have the ambition to become one of society's top members. I'm happy with
myself as I am, and status climbing generally concerns me very little.
Would I fit in with a "typical" (as much as one can be) group of satanists?
I'm aware that this is probably explained more in the book, but I was hoping
for a preliminary answer.
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Sir Chaos
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Elitism |
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The Worm Queen squeals:
| Quote: | Alien Elite. Chosen of God. Elect of God. Same mentality, same desire.
BS.
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BS it is. "Alien Elite" has nothing to do with being "chosen" by
some deity or another, nor is it a remotely similar mentality or
desire. Tani Jantsang never quite understood it, which is actually
part of the proof.
Needless to say, Tani here is not of the Church of Satan and has
no place to speak on these matters. By her own admission she never
was and never could. She is just up to her usual antics, blathering
interjections to lure you into her little scam. Feel free to check
out her not-so-"Satanic" not-so-"Red" group on your own time; as an
Active Member of the Church of Satan I will answer your question as I
can.
Note that I am not an authorized representative of the Church of
Satan and can only explain my own view. For an "official" answer you
would have to contact an "offical" representative of my Church. Odds
are few you will ever attract such attention to your questions here.
Satanism is a thinking man's (and woman's) religion, it takes
considerable thought and bravery to fully comprehend and accept the
devil within us. There are those that find themselves "alien" and yet
are ashamed, that are afraid of their own inherent "evil", that hide
their differences and desparately struggle to "fit in" with others.
These are conscious that they are different, strange, self-cognizant
in the face of an otherwise unconscious society. These are "wierdos",
but they are not truly Satanists. What a Satanist Elite is the final
realization of our "alien"-ness, the bold understanding of and pride
in the "evil" we recognize within ourselves.
We know what we are, and we are proud of it. We have taken on the
Name of a symbolic beacon of this pride, consciously recognizing our
determination to our ideals to the face of damnation itself. The
Gates of Hell be open, it makes no difference to me.
Some get it, and some do not. Those that do not may be alien, but
they are certainly not of the Alien Elite.
I trust this answers your question, Larry.
-Sir Chaos
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"It's curious how we, as a culture, are sexually obsessed with our
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People's Commissar
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Elitism |
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Ahem, I don't have a scam. Scams take your money. Reread what the person
wrote or asked. Are you sure HE is not up to antics asking "the obvious?"
Why did he come on here asking it? Why did he NOT write or email to the COS
itself and ask it?
No one in the cos, including you, is alien - OR elite. Period. I can
think of one satanist or former satanist??? that is ALIEN as freaking hell -
and elite and brave enough to run you guys around the block 100 times over,
set you people into a panic and frenzy and do so fearlessly in a 100%
challenging manner - damn the GALL of the man. And the funny thing about
it - the shit you people pulled on him has a really WEIRD way of bouncing
back at ya. This is the second time, too. Heh.
See in.
"Sir Chaos" <sirchaos@wolfenet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Alien Elite. Chosen of God. Elect of God. Same mentality, same
desire.
BS.
BS it is. "Alien Elite" has nothing to do with being "chosen" by
some deity or another, nor is it a remotely similar mentality or
desire. Tani Jantsang never quite understood it, which is actually
part of the proof.
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People who "desire to be" that are of the same psychological make up and
mentality. They want to feel special. 99% of them are formerly victims of
abuse. It fits very well. Please refer to article published in the Black
Flame, official newsletter of your COS org where such notions are targetted
and exposed. Yeah, I wrote it, heh. THEY published it in their official
zine. What does that say? It says: HA.
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Needless to say, Tani here is not of the Church of Satan and has
no place to speak on these matters. By her own admission she never
was and never could. She is just up to her usual antics, blathering
interjections to lure you into her little scam.
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See above. I don't have a scam. Scams involve money. He didn't ask the
question to the cos. He asked it on alt.satanism.
Feel free to check
| Quote: | out her not-so-"Satanic" not-so-"Red" group on your own time;
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That's what I suggested. Thanks for resuggesting it.
as an
| Quote: | Active Member of the Church of Satan I will answer your question as I
can.
Note that I am not an authorized representative of the Church of
Satan and can only explain my own view. For an "official" answer you
would have to contact an "offical" representative of my Church. Odds
are few you will ever attract such attention to your questions here.
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Well, heh, I can answer it FOR the COS a lot better than you can and be nice
about it, then. The answers can be found from the horse's mouth - LaVey
himself. If you are special and really elite, you'll pay $100 and join
their club. That simple. What do you get for that? Um, nothing. A red
card with your name on it. Nothing else. They also don't claim they will
give you a thing. So if you pay to join and then expect something, you are
an idiot that can't read. You can find that pretty much in almost the same
words in the book COS by Blanche Barton, approved by LaVey.
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Satanism is a thinking man's (and woman's) religion, it takes
considerable thought and bravery to fully comprehend and accept the
devil within us.
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These days? I need to look at the majority of people in your org and wonder
where these thinking men and woman are. In jail? Victims of abuse?
Please. Don't even begin to argue, I'm referring to people that were
CONSIDERED the top thinkers of that org and who WERE national TV
spokespeople when you were NOT a spokesperson at all. OK? No, it doesn't
mean anything of the sort these days. In fact, it's old hat, worn out,
anti-hero stuff. It's even the vogue to "accept the EVIL inside you" - but
please, let us define evil beause the spokespeople for the COS had to define
it when things got misinterpreted and out of hand. They DO NOT mean REAL
evil at all. He he he. Oh, they have a very puritanical and value-laden
ethical view of REAL evil. So then they refer to fake evil or petty evil.
Pettiness. Let's get real about today's world. Women, for instance, get
abortions every day. Are they evil? Forget about accepting it - they don't
give a flying damn about the slaughter and usually don't think a thought
about it. Welcome to today. Vampires are cops and handsome lovers or rock
stars. Werewolves are house pets. Frankenstein is nicer than most people.
And "Casper" is not the name of a cartoon ghost, but what racists who ain't
officially racist, call white folks in derision. Welcome to today. Is it
evil to gloriofy people who bomb women and children that never did anything
to them? Such people are cheered and heroized in the Moslem world today.
They danced and partied as 9/11 happened and thousands died. Are they evil
or afraid to accept what they are doing? They glory in it. I told ya, I
agree with Meta's latest assessment (as he walks away in utter disgust at
the whole lot of it).... Egan is the most satanic satanist out there
because he not only CONFRONTS the potential for REAL evil in - oh, quite a
lot of people from the looks of it (cop stats on it), but he is not afraid
to stick it on a website and link it to satanism. Why, he advocates an evil
so evil, that it makes lil old bogeyman Osamma look tame. The P word.
LMAO. Dare I even SAY the word? But DO tell, is that more "evil" than
having an unborn baby capable of BATTLING a doctor's probe (shown on sonar)
sucked out and thrown in the trash? Well, welcome to today where LOTS of
"silent screams" can be heard. And no one looses sleep that does it. Are
they alien? FUCK yes they are alien. Are they elite? Well, heh,
considering they contribute to solving the overpopulation problem, YES. HA.
Yes, my tongue is FIRMLY in my cheek here, Chaos. I'm dripping with the
mockery of the eternal void. You will never get it so long as you are a
sychophant and PROUD to be one. After all, "sychophants UNITE" right? Your
HP said it. I didn't.
There are those that find themselves "alien" and yet
| Quote: | are ashamed, that are afraid of their own inherent "evil", that hide
their differences and desparately struggle to "fit in" with others.
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These days? You gotta be kidding. WHO? Oh, you mean the abuse victims of
the school yard? Bah. You wanna meet the EVIL CULTS then? Meet the jocks,
or the "in gang" or whoever (they are in all schools today) those Very
Ordinary Folks that abused these victims. I doubt they have a problem at
all dealing with their EVIL selves as they go home, laugh at the abuse they
dealt out to some fat kid, or 4 eyed kid - and they have a nice sleep.
Welcome to today! They have NO problem facing the evil within - and yes,
Chaos, what they do is EVIL since they do it for NO reason at all, it
profits them NOTHING to do such things. And oh, occasionally the rare kids
make the news: Columbine. They weren't evil. They were VICTIMS of evil.
ha ha. I got my definitions straight here. Trust me - on this issue your
COS superiors DO agree.
| Quote: | These are conscious that they are different, strange, self-cognizant
in the face of an otherwise unconscious society. These are "wierdos",
but they are not truly Satanists. What a Satanist Elite is the final
realization of our "alien"-ness, the bold understanding of and pride
in the "evil" we recognize within ourselves.
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What hype. It's a good line tho, IF you want to attract people that were
victims of well - EVIL - lmao.
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We know what we are, and we are proud of it. We have taken on the
Name of a symbolic beacon of this pride, consciously recognizing our
determination to our ideals to the face of damnation itself. The
Gates of Hell be open, it makes no difference to me.
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There are no Gates of Hell save the world here and now, or soon becoming
like that. You have taken it upon yourselves to continue to wear a
bulls-eye and scream about Satan Satan, like some clowns. No one bats an
eye at that, you know. I dare ya to wear a moon and star ring and a turban.
I dare ya! Trust me, you'd be seen as EVIL EVIL EVIL and get lots of
attention.
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Some get it, and some do not. Those that do not may be alien, but
they are certainly not of the Alien Elite.
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There is no such thing. But it's a good line for those that (listen
carefully) NEED such lines. Pat yourself on the back now.
Cheers.
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I trust this answers your question, Larry.
-Sir Chaos
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TOS
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 5:51 am Post subject: Re: Elitism |
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merlik@mail.utexas.edu (Larry Ochoa) wrote in message news:<d80cc4d7.0308220016.427342f7@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | I've only recently begun to look into Satanism, and more specifically, the
Church of Satan. I've not yet read the Satanic Bible (it's in the mail),
but from reading the material that's available online, it seems as though
Satanism is a philosophy for people who wish to be elite. Granted, I feel
like I think more than a large portion of the population, but I don't really
have the ambition to become one of society's top members. I'm happy with
myself as I am, and status climbing generally concerns me very little.
Would I fit in with a "typical" (as much as one can be) group of satanists?
I'm aware that this is probably explained more in the book, but I was hoping
for a preliminary answer.
--Larry
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Elitism for the Church of Satan has been a failure and continues to
cause a rumble in the foundation of Satanism listen to Tani or myself
feel free to write me and I will explain it to you.
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Sir Chaos
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Elitism |
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The Worm Queen sputters:
| Quote: | Ahem, I don't have a scam. Scams take your money.
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I am pleased to hear from you that your much-vaunted "dark
doctrines" are no longer for sale, but instead are now freely
available to the public. It has always been rather a curious
contradiction in terms that you would hold to your "mission" of
distributing such "important information" while demanding an absurd
price of over a hundred dollars for the collection of them.
Now these materials are public domain, perhaps I can assist you in
your "mission" by posting them verbatim? With proper attributions of
course. I am certain that the denizens of alt.satanism could find
considerable entertainment in reading these works, if nothing else.
Assuming, of course, that it is true that you no longer take anyone's
money.
| Quote: | Reread what the person
wrote or asked. Are you sure HE is not up to antics asking "the obvious?"
Why did he come on here asking it? Why did he NOT write or email to the COS
itself and ask it?
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Who cares? Maybe I purposefully take such antics at face value as
a convenient excuse to explain my stance. It's something I have
intended to post eventually anyway.
| Quote: | No one in the cos, including you, is alien - OR elite. Period.
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Simply because **you** do not feel the flame does not mean that it
does not exist. "Alien Elite" is a specific term, which I believe I
have properly defined.
| Quote: | I can
think of one satanist or former satanist??? that is ALIEN as freaking hell -
and elite and brave enough to sit on his fat ass and draw welfare, telling
silly tales of baseball bat squads, poisoned bunnies, and hobbits.... And
the funny thing about it - the shit you people pulled on him has a really
WEIRD way of refilling my "Depends" with a new load of diarrhea!
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[The above has been edited for accuracy.]
[snip off topic and redundant squealing]
| Quote: | Well, heh, I can answer it FOR the COS...
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You yourself have openly stated that you were never a part of the
Church of Satan, never had an interest in being so, and never
represented what we stand for. Jibber all you like, you are simply
not qualified to speak for the Church of Satan and you know it.
| Quote: | If you are special and really elite, you'll pay $100 and join
their club. That simple. What do you get for that? Um, nothing. A red
card with your name on it. Nothing else. They also don't claim they will
give you a thing. So if you pay to join and then expect something, you are
an idiot that can't read.
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The Progressive Animal Welfare Society didn't even promise me a
card with my name on it. This did not preclude me appreciating their
work. When I sent them $250 of my own free will, I expected nothing.
A week later I was surprised to find a dozen serious-looking
uniformed PAWS workers arrive at my door. They sat me down and
immediately attached a portable lie detector to my arm. After hours
of intense interrogation, they suddenly stood up as a group. One of
them, a large man in his thirties, produced an envelope and removed
from it my check.
"You heartless bastard," he yelled, "you don't really care about
what we do!"
At which point he tore my check to shreds and threw it at me. I
am pulling your leg.
No, actually, I received a little plaque of appreciation for my
donation. Apparently I am now an honorary member of PAWS. I don't
mind. They send these to anyone who donates a certain amount to their
cause.
The Church of Satan does similarly, except that as a card carrying
Member you can submit an application for Active Membership. Once
approved, and Active Member can participate in a number of ways that
you obviously never heard of, and it's not my job to explain. Try
reading the FAQ sometime if you are curious.
| Quote: | These days? I need to look at the majority of people in your org...
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You have never encountered anywhere near a "majority" of the
Membership of the Church of Satan, let alone gaze upon them. Plus:
| Quote: | Don't even begin to argue, I'm referring to people that were
CONSIDERED the top thinkers of that org and who WERE national TV
spokespeople when you were NOT a spokesperson at all. OK?
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You are only referring to two people.
Nowhere were they referred to as "top thinkers" of the Church of
Satan. In fact, the only place I have heard of them as "exemplary"
was here, in the view of your ex-buddy Ol' Pustule. Anton Szandor
LaVey could never represent each and every one of us, personally, and
he _founded_ the Church of Satan. Nobody in their right mind would
say that either of these two were half as "exemplary" as he.
Give it up.
| Quote: | blah blah evil blah...
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People of Islam and the Al Quaeda believe firmly that they are
"the good guys" combating "evil" at every turn for their "Allah".
Egan is just a sniveling fool. Both are in denial.
| Quote: | You will never get it so long as you are a
sychophant and PROUD to be one. After all, "sychophants UNITE" right? Your
HP said it. I didn't.
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You either never read the article "Sycophants Unite", or you did
and couldn't comprehend it. I could care less which. It was a great
article, and those of us who understand what it means know your
argument as what it is: blatantly absurd.
| Quote: | These days? You gotta be kidding. WHO? Oh, you mean the abuse victims of
the school yard? Bah. You wanna meet the EVIL CULTS then? Meet the jocks,
or the "in gang" or whoever (they are in all schools today) those Very
Ordinary Folks that abused these victims.
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"Good guys" upholding a social standard, not unlike Skinheads. As
a rule they struggle with self-rationalization and self-denial. In
the end most of them come to regret their violence and seek
forgiveness, because in truth their violence is but a show of weakness
and fear of the very victimization they cause.
Funny that you'd be the one yammering all these "outer" arguments.
Of course you, of all people, could never understand that real evil
is within. And even then, Satanism isn't just about merely possessing
such evil - everyone has it to some degree or another. In jocks, the
"in gang", gangsters, fanatics, et cetera it's manifestation is simply
more apparent with their lack of control. The devil is in the heart
of every human being and in many animals. Satanism, to me, starts in
recognizing this "evil" for what it is, and embracing it. Thus the
name.
| Quote: | blah blah blah evil blah blah blah victims blah blah blah...
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I have answered all this. You'll never understand it, but that's
alright.
-Sir Chaos
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that I will continue to irritate you throughout your tenure on
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People's Commissar
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Elitism |
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They are for sale In which case, I would image you regard any selling of
published material to be a scam. Far from it. People are free to buy or
not - but they do GET something for their money. Some get quite a lot for
it - and this is of NO concern to YOU.
Nice try at a patch up, but not so good after all. When are YOU going to be
given the chance to be A Spokesperson for your organization - instead of
having a pedophile and a woman that endured 11 years of abuse, out there
speaking for all of you on repeated national TV broadcast shows?
Much information is free on website. they do not cost $100 to buy. Again,
people are free to buy or not buy. We never say that "those who don't buy
are lacking or non-elite." We say nothing of the sort. We hardly even
advertise them. Try again, the bark was off key.
The articles we SELL are not public domain, they are copyrighted and have
ISBN numbers - and CONSIDERABLE penalties can be had for people who violate
copyrights. The bcc email your HP sent out would be enough to use as
inferencial evidence that your ORG is behind such behavior. The case was
made already in the courts.
You will note that you resort to threats here - typical Church of Satan
tactics again. I never "threatened" to post the Satanic Bible up there, and
never did such a thing, a copyright violation. I am the one, NOT YOU, that
suggested that the person BUY Blanche Barton's book the COS. I said it.
You didn't. Poor spokesperson you'd make. That happens to be the best book
the COS has for sale. What's wrong, didn't you think of it?
I thought it was your policy to NOT WANT people joining the COS that ask
"stupid questions" - and trust me, the question the person asked would be
considered a stupid question. Hey, you know, I was nicer to the guy than
your own spokesperson Andre Schlesinger would have been. I didn't send him
to fetch a website that would tell him nothing. I suggested a COS book to
read by Barton. Poor spokesperson you are. Good spaniel tho. Real attack
dog spirit. No wonder you don't have the job.
"Sir Chaos" <sirchaos@wolfenet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Who cares? Maybe I purposefully take such antics at face value as
a convenient excuse to explain my stance. It's something I have
intended to post eventually anyway.
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You do a lousy job of promoting the COS. At least I adviced the best book
they ever made - the COS by Blanche Barton. You didn't. I did. Heh, with
friends like you, they don't need more enemies.
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No one in the cos, including you, is alien - OR elite. Period.
Simply because **you** do not feel the flame
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Heh, I most definitely DO feel the flame - and so do a great many other
people you'll never run into because they'd avoid you like the plague. That
doesn't make you alien, you idiot. People have HAVE and FEEL the flame are
NORMAL. Tells ya what the world has come to, heh? You don't feel it. You
just sublimate and get all ragey. I'm just busting your chops here - like a
cat toying with a mouse. Exactly like that.
does not mean that it
| Quote: | does not exist. "Alien Elite" is a specific term, which I believe I
have properly defined.
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Whatever. Got any idea how many people that stupid expression alienated out
of your COS, or how many people "Gilmore wanted to exterminate because he
could not STOMACH them" joined due to it? Got any idea how many people
they got INTO the org when they used to claim that our Dark Doctrines were
the foundations of their satanism, people that Gilmore referred to as the
"talent"? Compare numbers? Nah, you really don't want to do that. My
articles and those of my friends who know some seriously satanic stuff are
in every single issue of your own organizations official magazine and
mouthpiece, Chaos. Are yours? Nope.
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I can
think of one satanist or former satanist??? that is ALIEN as freaking
hell -
and elite and brave enough to sit on his fat ass and draw welfare,
telling
silly tales of baseball bat squads, poisoned bunnies, and hobbits....
And
the funny thing about it - the shit you people pulled on him has a
really
WEIRD way of refilling my "Depends" with a new load of diarrhea!
[The above has been edited for accuracy.]
[snip off topic and redundant squealing]
Well, heh, I can answer it FOR the COS...
You yourself have openly stated that you were never a part of the
Church of Satan, never had an interest in being so, and never
represented what we stand for. Jibber all you like, you are simply
not qualified to speak for the Church of Satan and you know it.
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I fear to say, and am sorry to say, that I'm a HELL of a lot more qualified
to speak FOR them, as being FOR them, than you ever will be or are now.
That's just a fact, sweetie.
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No, actually, I received a little plaque of appreciation for my
donation. Apparently I am now an honorary member of PAWS. I don't
mind. They send these to anyone who donates a certain amount to their
cause.
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I know, welfare exists in the USA big time. Boy, you fell into that one. I
donate not a cent to any of it unless I GET quite a lot for my cent. Of
course, then there is the mandatory welfare system where we are collective
guardians of unwanted children that don't belong to us at all and over whom
we have NO say at all.
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The Church of Satan does similarly, except that as a card carrying
Member you can submit an application for Active Membership. Once
approved, and Active Member can participate in a number of ways that
you obviously never heard of, and it's not my job to explain. Try
reading the FAQ sometime if you are curious.
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I know all about the active ways one can participate. DUH. It's not what
the org can do for you - but it's what YOU can do FOR the org. Heh.
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These days? I need to look at the majority of people in your org...
You have never encountered anywhere near a "majority" of the
Membership of the Church of Satan, let alone gaze upon them. Plus:
Don't even begin to argue, I'm referring to people that were
CONSIDERED the top thinkers of that org and who WERE national TV
spokespeople when you were NOT a spokesperson at all. OK?
You are only referring to two people.
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Two Very Big people, Chaos. Very Big people. National TV spokespeople,
Chaos. I can't say I did not warn them - oh, I did.
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Nowhere were they referred to as "top thinkers" of the Church of
Satan. In fact, the only place I have heard of them as "exemplary"
was here, in the view of your ex-buddy Ol' Pustule. Anton Szandor
LaVey could never represent each and every one of us, personally, and
he _founded_ the Church of Satan. Nobody in their right mind would
say that either of these two were half as "exemplary" as he.
Give it up.
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Suggest you give it up. It's a lost cause unless you can do some serious
fixing. Why even bother. Satanism is about the SELF - not some org. Orgs
are nothing but clubs one can join to meet others.
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blah blah evil blah...
People of Islam and the Al Quaeda believe firmly that they are
"the good guys" combating "evil" at every turn for their "Allah".
Egan is just a sniveling fool. Both are in denial.
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No, both have subjective points as VALID as your subjective point. Heh.
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You will never get it so long as you are a
sychophant and PROUD to be one. After all, "sychophants UNITE" right?
Your
HP said it. I didn't.
You either never read the article "Sycophants Unite", or you did
and couldn't comprehend it.
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I not only read it, but I know exactly to whom Barton is referring and to
what magazine she is referring in that article - and I know the entire
history behind her writing it.
I could care less which. It was a great
| Quote: | article, and those of us who understand what it means know your
argument as what it is: blatantly absurd.
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Oh yes, only those IN THE KNOW will REALLY understand the sublime mysteries
of her little article. Uh huh. See above. I know what and who provoked
that article.
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These days? You gotta be kidding. WHO? Oh, you mean the abuse
victims of
the school yard? Bah. You wanna meet the EVIL CULTS then? Meet the
jocks,
or the "in gang" or whoever (they are in all schools today) those Very
Ordinary Folks that abused these victims.
"Good guys" upholding a social standard, not unlike Skinheads. As
a rule they struggle with self-rationalization and self-denial. In
the end most of them come to regret their violence and seek
forgiveness, because in truth their violence is but a show of weakness
and fear of the very victimization they cause.
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Everyone is in self denial and everyone is rationalizing - EXCEPT YOU. Of
course, couldn't we have guessed that. 
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Funny that you'd be the one yammering all these "outer" arguments.
Of course you, of all people, could never understand that real evil
is within.
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I never understood what? LMAO. Boy, are you clueless. There is no evil
within when people are not split asunder from their whole selves. And it's
NO big deal to look at it face on. Such things put a smile on my face,
actually. You used to know that. LMAO.
And even then, Satanism isn't just about merely possessing
| Quote: | such evil - everyone has it to some degree or another. In jocks, the
"in gang", gangsters, fanatics, et cetera it's manifestation is simply
more apparent with their lack of control. The devil is in the heart
of every human being and in many animals. Satanism, to me, starts in
recognizing this "evil" for what it is, and embracing it.
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Satanism is in merging the self into a whole so that there is no dualistic
split at all. You people are still in first grade, dealing with the "evil"
in yourselves - and you have not even really come to grips with it. LMAO.
You don't even know or feel the real and ubiquitous social factors that MADE
you join a cult and swear an oath to the cult before you even knew what it
was about. You don't have a clue.
Thus the
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blah blah blah evil blah blah blah victims blah blah blah...
I have answered all this. You'll never understand it, but that's
alright.
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Of course, believe what you will. You know I understand it and LAUGH at it.
Without fear, too. Your own words, once. Fearless, mocking. I feel the
mockery that a predator feels toward prey. I don't consider that evil at
all. But you people do. That's the problem.
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-Sir Chaos
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"And it gives me great pleasure to know that I irritate you; I'm sure
that I will continue to irritate you throughout your tenure on
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:23 am Post subject: Re: Elitism |
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Larry Ochoa wrote:
| Quote: | I've only recently begun to look into Satanism, and more specifically, the
Church of Satan. I've not yet read the Satanic Bible (it's in the mail),
but from reading the material that's available online, it seems as though
Satanism is a philosophy for people who wish to be elite.
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Yes, plenty _wish_ to be elite. No doubt about it.
| Quote: | Granted, I feel
like I think more than a large portion of the population, but I don't really
have the ambition to become one of society's top members. I'm happy with
myself as I am, and status climbing generally concerns me very little.
Would I fit in with a "typical" (as much as one can be) group of satanists?
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Probably not. Too laid back and at ease with yourself (and I don't mean
"look here motherfucker I fuck'n at ease with myself", I mean you sound
like the more quiet type of "at ease"
Besides, no one in Satanism is rich or holds lofty social positions.
Some have educations though :)
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