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Scott Lowther
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 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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Romauld wrote:
| Quote: | The War on Terror is not going to *be* over.
Possibly. Not for generations, at any rate. |
| Quote: | Those who have been released were not released due to trial.
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True. And yet, they were determined to be innocent, and released.
| Quote: | Therefore your post does not follow on from mine: "under your statement
above" where your is the original poster, those men who have been released
due to government pressure would still be in Camp X-Ray right now.
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That hardly follows. The military has no interest in keeping people
prisoner who mean nothing. |
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Scott Lowther
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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Romauld wrote:
| Quote: | Recently, a script from lexcorp@ix.netcom.com arrived, in which they said:
: I'm sure the Marines will be thrilled to read their new orders for
: engaging the enemy...
'He shot at me with an AK-47' is pretty good evidence to arrest someone
based on.
Yes, I'm sure the Mariens will be thrilled that the new rules of combat |
are that the other guy must shoot at them first. And then they should
arrest the other guy. |
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Romauld
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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Recently, a script from Scott Lowther arrived, in which they said:
: Possibly. Not for generations, at any rate.
So trying someone after it would be a problem. Which was the
*entirity* of my original comment, lest that be forgotten.
: True. And yet, they were determined to be innocent, and released.
Uh, no. They were released because governments pressured the
USA into following due process, ie. having to have a reason
to hold someone rather than having to have a reason to let them
go. There was no determination of innocence: that would have been
a trial, or at least an inquiry. What there was, was international
pressure to let go people who had *no business being there in the
first place*. Ain't the same.
:>Therefore your post does not follow on from mine: "under your statement
:>above" where your is the original poster, those men who have been released
:>due to government pressure would still be in Camp X-Ray right now.
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: That hardly follows. The military has no interest in keeping people
: prisoner who mean nothing.
Actually, you're completely right. However, they also have no interest
in checking whether or not the people they have mean anything: or at
least, they have displayed little interest so far.
Accused and suspected have become functioning synonyms for guilty since
9/11 in American jurisdictions, provided they are followed by 'of terrorism'.
~R
PS: yes, I'm being a little extreme there. Sorry. Feel free to ignore
that last comment if you wish, as it is not totally supportable by
other than circumstantial evidence.
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Romauld - romauld at necrotheque dot dcu
All Pagans who think of themselves as Elders should read this:
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Romauld
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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Recently, a script from Scott Lowther arrived, in which they said:
: Yes, I'm sure the Mariens will be thrilled that the new rules of combat
: are that the other guy must shoot at them first. And then they should
: arrest the other guy.
Heh. I'm still not sure how we got from 'lets not throw people in jail
until the end of an unending war just because we decided to' to 'the
marines always have to wait until fired upon to fire back'.
Huh, could it have been a non-sequituur and a distraction?
The marines are soldiers. Arresting people is what the police do.
The people in Camp X-Ray get called 'Prisoners of War' when somone wants
to avoid the burden of due process, but are looked upon as very clearly
*not* POWs when that would be inconvenient (ie. it would mean you had
to keep them with respect and obey the Geneva Conventions on the treatment
of POWs). It's a three-card trick with the law and with ethics which makes
me somewhat sickened.
I have nothing to do with the Marine rules of engagement. Neither does
this thread, or indeed almost anything else on a newsgroup that's meant
to be about the Asatru religion.
~R
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Romauld - romauld at necrotheque dot dcu
All Pagans who think of themselves as Elders should read this:
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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Sorry, laughing again. You think my statement, quoted below, means "any
law that is passed is automatically Constitutional"? Noooot even
close.....
My point, for the bizillioneth time, is that opinion varies from your
absolutist reading of the Second Amendment. The Constitutionality of
such laws isn't a question broached- my point is made by the existence
of such laws or any opinion differing from your own.
Eric
lexcorp@ix.netcom.com wrote:
| Quote: | Well, hey, why not? Others hereabouts are convinced that any law that is passed is automatically Constitutional...
Really? When was this?
Well, now, lessee:
And I've been asking you to explain where the Constitution limits the right to own and bear arms, but you've never tackled it logically.
I'll stand by the logic of my posts, including a detailed study of the text, its history, its history in courts, and the existence of legal restrictions.
You were questioned to explain the Constitutionality of limitiations,
and your response included "the existence of legal restrictions" as an
excuse. You've done this several times. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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Scott's a pretty poor authority on Guantanamo Bay- who's there, the
legal issues, their treatment. Here are some places where one can get
information on the issue:
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=13079&c=207
http://www.ccr-ny.org
http://www.hrw.org
http://www.amnesty.org
http://www.cageprisoners.com/
The government is acting in our name. We have to be informed (not
misinformed by Rush and Fox News).
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Post Colonial Boy
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:13:54 GMT, Scott Lowther
<scottlowther@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Post Colonial Boy wrote:
Moron.
Nik
Thus spake the Asa-Pope. I'll be sure to tell Frigga all about you when
I see her. We'll have a good laugh.
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You'll have a good laugh but your face will change when she confirms
what I've said.
Nik |
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Scott Lowther
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:01 am Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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Post Colonial Boy wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:13:54 GMT, Scott Lowther
scottlowther@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote:
Post Colonial Boy wrote:
Moron.
Nik
Thus spake the Asa-Pope. I'll be sure to tell Frigga all about you when
I see her. We'll have a good laugh.
You'll have a good laugh but your face will change when she confirms
what I've said.
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I get the same verbage from Christians.
And I take it with equal seriousness. |
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Post Colonial Boy
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:04 am Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:01:20 GMT, Scott Lowther
<scottlowther@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Post Colonial Boy wrote:
On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:13:54 GMT, Scott Lowther
scottlowther@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote:
Post Colonial Boy wrote:
Moron.
Nik
Thus spake the Asa-Pope. I'll be sure to tell Frigga all about you when
I see her. We'll have a good laugh.
You'll have a good laugh but your face will change when she confirms
what I've said.
I get the same verbage from Christians.
And I take it with equal seriousness.
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Right, so you don't actually believe then?
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:26 am Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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| Quote: | Right, so you don't actually believe then?
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I don't believe in whack-job fundies like you, no. As someone once
didn't really say: "I don't believe in Asa-Pope Nik. He's not a part of
my religion." |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:35 am Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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lexc...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
| Quote: | I don't believe in whack-job fundies like you, no.
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LOL! _You're_ calling someone a "whack-job"?
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Doug Freyburger
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:40 am Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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lexcorp@ix.netcom.com wrote:
| Quote: | Nik wrote:
Right, so you don't actually believe then?
I don't believe in whack-job fundies like you, no. As someone once
didn't really say: "I don't believe in Asa-Pope Nik. He's not a part of
my religion."
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The extremists are the ones saying so-and-so isn't a
part of my religion, right? Just accept that the
other is heathen and that you'll never get why. |
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Scott Lowther
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:06 am Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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Doug Freyburger wrote:
| Quote: | lexcorp@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Nik wrote:
Right, so you don't actually believe then?
I don't believe in whack-job fundies like you, no. As someone once
didn't really say: "I don't believe in Asa-Pope Nik. He's not a part of
my religion."
The extremists are the ones saying so-and-so isn't a
part of my religion, right?
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The ones saying it and meaning it seriously, you betcha. |
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Post Colonial Boy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:08 am Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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On 8 Jun 2005 12:26:17 -0700, lexcorp@ix.netcom.com wrote:
| Quote: | Right, so you don't actually believe then?
I don't believe in whack-job fundies like you, no.
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But nevertheless I still exist.
<laughter>
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Post Colonial Boy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:09 am Post subject: Re: Even *more* religious abuse!!! |
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On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:06:20 GMT, Scott Lowther
<scottlowther@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Doug Freyburger wrote:
lexcorp@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Nik wrote:
Right, so you don't actually believe then?
I don't believe in whack-job fundies like you, no. As someone once
didn't really say: "I don't believe in Asa-Pope Nik. He's not a part of
my religion."
The extremists are the ones saying so-and-so isn't a
part of my religion, right?
The ones saying it and meaning it seriously, you betcha.
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I hardly think it extreme to say that the use of the term "Friggen" is
insulting to Frigga.
Just think, for a moment, where does the term come from and why?
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