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Get In To Get Out : GITGO
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 11:35 pm    Post subject: Get In To Get Out : GITGO Reply with quote

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Short of suicide, how are we to "test" it for ourselves ? How are we to
"test" whether this experience is "a mundane mental state...just an inherent
functionality of the human brain etc." or "mystical...religious...the 'god
beyond god' or the 'kingdom of heaven within'..." And how are we to "test"
whether it has "great significance" or not ? If we just follow you and her
in finding our previous thicket of beliefs, views and inferences further
confirmed by yet another experience that doesn't seem incompatible with
them, we won't have "tested" anything.

Jonathan

We don't have to suicide for this kind of "test". Jesus, Rumi, Siddhartha
and other masters have spoken of the meditative death, where one sends
part of their mind up into the mental realm. Normally this only happens
when we die, but we can learn how to do this while alive. The effect on
our bodies is much the same. The heart and breath slows until others
see us as having died. We are not in a trance. We are not lost in our
thoughts. We are not here in this world, experiencing the mundane.

It could be loosely said that we are in a mental state, but more accurately,
having discovered the techniques which will allow us to send our minds out
of the bondage of the material body, we have 'grown wings' (Jesus) and flown
up to a place where we can commune with other enlightened minds. Some call
this meeting place as a Nirvana, others as a Heaven, and still others as a
Pleroma. A popular name for the initial meeting places is The Eternal Now:
a place where all enlightened, self-realized minds from every point of time
and space can meet. The being next to you may be from across the Universe
and living 1 Billion years in the past, or from the same planet, only a
Million years in the future.

Jesus called this meditation as 'prayer', and also as the 'first death'
which leads to the 'second birth'. When we eject part of our Nous or mind
from our bodies, we are giving birth to ourselves. The Gnostic, having
gathered knowledge and understood what is wisdom or Sophia, has become
pregnant with Sophia. She is Mother. The Gnostic aspirant is Father, for
we are sending part of our mind into our own self. We are looking within
our own dark skulls like a womb and sending a spark of light up into this
womb.

Here this spark will (through continuing meditation) impregnate us,
and a new child will grow, fed by the fires of our own thoughts. When
our minds catch fire we are like a newly risen Sun-- the Morning Star
as Jesus put it. Before we send part of our Nous outside of our bodies
then we must unite with Sophia as Shiva/SHVH does with Shakti and JHVH
does with Shekinah. Having become the primordial spiritual hermaphrodite
we then give birth to our own son. As the son of the Sun, this is the
what the Egyptians called the Benben (son of the Sun). This other part
of ourselves is what Buddhists call Buddha-mind, what mystic Christians
called Christ-mind, what the Essenes called Melchizedek-mind.

It was/is/will-be a Unity of consciousness, a telepathic internet,
a coadunant collectivity, what the Essenes called the YAHOD/YAHAD
(the real God).

For the Kabbalist meditators it is Adam's Skull where all the action
is. Adam searched for God in his dark mind. Here is what Jesus called
the Wedding Chamber, where the medieval gnostics called the 'Dark Forest'
where the initiate as the hairy wild-man was to find a unicorn and a
white dove. The seeker being the hairy wild-man, the unicorn's horn
begins to form when they send their kundalini snake twisting up into
their own minds-- hence the horns location over the pineal gland. When
the white dove lands on the horn it is the same as when the dove landed
on Jesus' head during his water baptism.

That was just Jesus' way of showing John the Giliad Tishbite that he
had already attained the Baptism of Light, or the spiritual Eucharist
(YOU : CHRIST). Eve is Sophia, or Shiva. When *she was removed from
Adam's side, it was really Shiva being removed from Adam's SIGHT. When
Adam finds Eve again in his inner sight, then he becomes united with
her as in the days of old. Adam becomes God, or Kad, united with man
or mon, hence Adam Kadmon: the new or Nuvo Adam.
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