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Prime Minister of the Kin
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 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: God divided us by Color and Compliance with His Law into Whi |
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God divided us by Color and Compliance with His Law into White
Christians and Colored Christians and Criminals: Muslims, Pagans,
Jews, none can unite (www.grishenkoff.com) |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: Please Take Your Anti-Semitic, Racist Posts Out of the Ortho |
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Our religion, Orthodox Christianity is neither racist nor sexist.
Therefore, donot post racist sexist diatribes in our newsgroup.
On Nov 18, 4:35 am, the self styled "Prime Minister of the Kingdom of
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: God divided us by Color and Compliance with His Law into |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:35:33 -0800 (PST), Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God
<jewproof@googlemail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | God divided us by Color and Compliance with His Law into White
Christians and Colored Christians and Criminals: Muslims, Pagans,
Jews, none can unite (www.grishenkoff.com)
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Gospodi pomiliu!
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The unworthy deacon,
Stephen Methodius Hayes
Contact: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Orthodox mission pages: http://www.orthodoxy.faithweb.com/ |
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Bill M
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:38 am Post subject: Re: God divided us by Color and Compliance with His Law into |
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You have an over active imagination. See a psychiatrist soon!
"Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God" <jewproof@googlemail.com> wrote in
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Catherine Jefferson
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: Re: Please Take Your Anti-Semitic, Racist Posts Out of the O |
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| Quote: | Our religion, Orthodox Christianity is neither racist nor sexist.
Therefore, donot post racist sexist diatribes in our newsgroup.
On Nov 18, 4:35 am, the self styled "Prime Minister of the Kingdom of
God" <jewpr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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Amen! I will also point out that Roman Catholicism is neither racist
nor sexist, and the same is true of the vast majority of Protestants,
including most Evangelical Protestants. I obviously have other
differences with many of these churches, but on the question of whether
there is "Greek nor Jew, slave nor free, male nor female" in Christ, we
Orthodox Christians and they are in complete agreement. What "Prime
Minister" is posting is outright heresy.
I doubt that the perpetrator of those posts is listening, though. He
doesn't appear to be here to discuss anything, just to rant. <wry grin>
Under His mercy,
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Catherine Jefferson <ariel@devsite.org>
Personal Home Page * <http://www.devsite.org/>
The SpamBouncer * <http://www.spambouncer.org/> |
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Ike2
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Please Take Your Anti-Semitic, Racist Posts Out of the O |
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"Catherine Jefferson" <spamtrap@spambouncer.org> wrote in message
news:49232871.6000205@spambouncer.org...
| Quote: | ++ wrote:
Our religion, Orthodox Christianity is neither racist nor sexist.
Therefore, donot post racist sexist diatribes in our newsgroup.
On Nov 18, 4:35 am, the self styled "Prime Minister of the Kingdom of
God" <jewpr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Amen! I will also point out that Roman Catholicism is neither racist nor
sexist, and the same is true of the vast majority of Protestants,
including most Evangelical Protestants. I obviously have other
differences with many of these churches, but on the question of whether
there is "Greek nor Jew, slave nor free, male nor female" in Christ, we
Orthodox Christians and they are in complete agreement. What "Prime
Minister" is posting is outright heresy.
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Yes, but so was the REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY predominant in the churches up
through the Reformation, which led to the Pogroms, the Inquisition, and the
Holocaust, so you haven't been ENTIRELY "in complete agreement," pilgrim...
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red_bikini
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: Re: God divided us by Color and Compliance with His Law into |
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On Nov 18, 1:35 am, Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God
<jewpr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | God divided us by Color and Compliance with His Law into White
Christians and Colored Christians and Criminals: Muslims, Pagans,
Jews, none can unite (www.grishenkoff.com)
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How is it possible to be THAT stupid? |
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AGGreen
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: Re: Please Take Your Anti-Semitic, Racist Posts Out of the O |
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"Ike2" <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote in message
news:gfvfmc$od7$1@reader.motzarella.org...
| Quote: | "Catherine Jefferson" <spamtrap@spambouncer.org> wrote in message
news:49232871.6000205@spambouncer.org...
++ wrote:
Our religion, Orthodox Christianity is neither racist nor sexist.
Therefore, donot post racist sexist diatribes in our newsgroup.
On Nov 18, 4:35 am, the self styled "Prime Minister of the Kingdom of
God" <jewpr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Amen! I will also point out that Roman Catholicism is neither racist nor
sexist, and the same is true of the vast majority of Protestants,
including most Evangelical Protestants. I obviously have other
differences with many of these churches, but on the question of whether
there is "Greek nor Jew, slave nor free, male nor female" in Christ, we
Orthodox Christians and they are in complete agreement. What "Prime
Minister" is posting is outright heresy.
Yes, but so was the REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY predominant in the churches up
through the Reformation, which led to the Pogroms, the Inquisition, and
the Holocaust, so you haven't been ENTIRELY "in complete agreement,"
pilgrim...
Ike
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***None of the "problems" you mention, Ike, have anything to do with the
Orthodox Church. |
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Catherine Jefferson
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Please Take Your Anti-Semitic, Racist Posts Out of the O |
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Ike2 wrote:
| Quote: | Yes, but so was the REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY predominant in the churches up
through the Reformation, which led to the Pogroms, the Inquisition, and the
Holocaust, so you haven't been ENTIRELY "in complete agreement," pilgrim...
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Okay.... I'll take your word for it that there was such a thing as
"replacement theology" and that it affected the Roman Catholic Church.
That's a new term to me, though. It might be helpful to explain what it
is for those of us who don't know.
You'll also find a great deal of anti-semitic and racist nonsense coming
out of certain individuals and groups within any of those churches,
including my own. Not all of that was before the twentieth century,
either, although much of it was.
But any theology that devalues one person over another because of their
skin color, national origin, or gender contradicts the ancient beliefs
of the Christian Church, as documented in the New Testament and the
writings of the Church Fathers. These sources aren't "Catholic",
"Orthodox", "Protestant" or part of any division in the Christian
Church; they predate all of those divisions.
"27) For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
2 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free,
there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
-- The Epistle of St. Paul to the Galatians 3:28
Under His mercy,
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Catherine Jefferson <ariel@devsite.org>
Personal Home Page * <http://www.devsite.org/>
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Steve Hayes
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:12 am Post subject: Re: God divided us by Color and Compliance with His Law into |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:38:43 -0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
| Quote: | You have an over active imagination. See a psychiatrist soon!
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Someone must have forgotten to poison him before he was decanted.
We can't allow imagination, not even from Alphas -- what would Mushtapha Mond
say?
Lobotomise! Lobotomise! Leucotomise!
Being imaginative is antisocial.
If you know what's good for you, conform to societal norms and be
unimaginative.
Don't let anyone suspect that you might actually be THINKING!
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The unworthy deacon,
Stephen Methodius Hayes
Contact: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
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Prime Minister of the Kin
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: God divided us by Color and Compliance with His Law into Whi |
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Pastor Dave
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: Please Take Your Anti-Semitic, Racist Posts Out of the O |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:29:23 -0800, Catherine Jefferson
<spamtrap@spambouncer.org> spake thusly:
| Quote: | Ike2 wrote:
Yes, but so was the REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY
predominant in the churches up through the
Reformation, which led to the Pogroms, the
Inquisition, and the Holocaust, so you haven't
been ENTIRELY "in complete agreement," pilgrim...
Okay.... I'll take your word for it that there was such
a thing as "replacement theology" and that it affected
the Roman Catholic Church. That's a new term to me,
though. It might be helpful to explain what it is for
those of us who don't know.
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Ike uses terms like "Inquisition" and "Holocaust",
because he dishonestly wants to set you up for
believing that what I believe promotes those ideas,
when what I believe has nothing to do with wishing
Jews dead!
I know this seems out of left field to you and that
you must be saying that I must be quite conceited
to think that this is about me, but truly it is and Ike
knows it as well and knows that that is why he is
saying things like what he is saying now!
You see, Ike has no real argument to make and so,
he figures (just like liberals do about things like
abortion and homosexual acts, etc.) that if he can
make it appear that I "hate Jews", which he will
equate with my doctrine, because he can't dispute
my doctrine, that he can get you all emotional
about it and look at me with disdain, before we
even talk!
In fact, since he knows that I have him kill filed,
he probably figures that I won't even see this
exchange and so, he can poison you against me,
so that when you do run into me, you will already
be predisposed to viewing me as an "Anti-Semitic,
Jew hating, Roman Catholic advocating demon!".
And again, I know it probably seems weird to you
that I could think this is about me, but trust me,
sadly, it is and Ike knows it!
The truth is, as I said, Ike has nothing of substance
to battle with me with, about doctrines and he can't
disprove a single thing I have said and his best
supposed proof is, "Prophecies happen three times!".
So in other words: "Okay, you're right! It was fulfilled!
But each prophecy gets fulfilled three times and that
means that it will happen again and you are running
away from me! You can't prove that's not true, even
though you rightly pointed out that nowhere does
the Bible say that! But since I hate you for doing that,
I'm going to libel you to everyone who will listen and
claim that you're just running from me!"
Yes, it has actually gotten that bad! :)
Ike is a liar. He wants you to believe that my beliefs
(and he is talking about me personally) are those of
some monks in the 17th century and that my beliefs
were born there, even though I have proved to him
and many others, that they are clearly stated in the
Bible itself.
And in reality, even if that what he said were true,
it still outdates his belief by a couple of centuries. :)
And, the truth is, that what he calls "replacement
theology", is the idea that a group of people have
replaced national Israel with the church in the Bible.
The truth is, that the "replacement" was done by
those who replaced the church in the NT, with
national Israel, which Paul clearly dispels and
even Revelation tells us that the "New Jerusalem"
is symbolic of the church and that when it comes
down, it is symbolic of the church being wed to
Christ! And Ike's response when he is shown
things like that and cannot dispute them?!
If I use this for an example, then Ike would say:
"So what?! It has to happen three times! So Dave,
show us where it happened three times! And if you
don't, then you're twisting the Bible and running
from me when you won't do that!"
Yes! That is actually, EXACTLY what Ike DOES do!!!
So then, Ike speaks of "replacement theology"
and yet believes that each prophecy must happen
three times and so, replaces the fulfillment of a
prophecy with what he claims will be another one
and then another one! You see, while Ike denies
that he is trying to make it about his time, today,
he rejects anything that doesn't equate to it being
what he can quote from the daily news! You see,
it has to be about his time,today, no matter what,
or you work for Satan!
The true reality is that Ike has dreamed up this theology
of his, because he could not answer the tough questions
of why he keeps claiming that that which has been fulfilled,
is still in the future to him.
And now Ike is VERY UPSET WITH ME!!! :)
He attacks me repeatedly and I finally had to kill file him
and so, what he does, is to keep changing his handle,
specifically to get me to see his posts. And no, I am
not being paranoid. He just admitted that he is doing
it specifically to get to me, in another post and this
current handle that you responded to is an example
of this. That's why it says, "Ike2", as opposed to "Ike1",
which was also just a day or two ago, a variant of his
handle that he used to get me to see his posts and
I believe that he is up to "Ike4" now. :)
| Quote: | You'll also find a great deal of anti-semitic
and racist nonsense coming out of certain
individuals and groups within any of those
churches, including my own.
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Now this sounds like what Ike and others accuse
me of. I'm not saying that you are doing that.
I know that we don't even know each other.
I'm just saying that it sounds like what they say.
But please tell me that you are not also run by a
doctrine, into accusing anyone who doesn't agree
with it of being "Anti-Semitic" as they do. Please?
The truth is, that Jesus came to the Jews and did
tell them that He would return upon their generation
(Mat 24:34) and would seek vengeance upon them
for "killing the Son" (Mat 21:33-46; Acts 5:30; 10:39)
and not some "generation that will live thousands of
years later".
If that makes me "Anti-Semitic", then it does Jesus
as well!
The truth is, that there isn't one spot in the NT
that says, "And the Jews will go to war and defeat
everyone and Jesus will sit there in a temple, while
they spit in His face with animal sacrifices for their
sins, while He approves of it".
And yet, that is what Dispensationalism says that
the Bible says! (:
| Quote: | Not all of that was before the twentieth century,
either, although much of it was.
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The fact is, that the idea that the church is the
New Jerusalem was around since the 1st century
and Dispensationalism was invented in the early
19th century and that should tell us something.
Now I would politely request, that if you have
any questions about what it is that I believe,
that you ask me and not (and I am not accusing
you of these things):
1) Ask someone who will twist what I have said
and will base their claims about the things that
I believe on things that they will make up and
claim that I said, but cannot quote me saying.
2) Assume it from 5 minutes of web page viewing
on the subject, written by people who did no
more than that themselves and copied from
those other web pages.
3) Assume that because you have a doctrine that
it is automatically equal to what Christianity is
and that they cannot be understood validly in
any other way.
4) Address a pastor as if he knows nothing about
the Bible and has never read the verses that
you want to point out, as if they couldn't possibly
mean anything except what you think they do,
which is not a way that you would ever address
a pastor in real life (but obviously Ike would and
does) and yet, would feel free to here, which
would only show your real character and that
what you show in church is phony.
Again, I am not accusing you of any of those things!
I am only saying that *IF* you do any of those things,
*THEN* those statements would indeed hold true!
That does not mean that you won't be honest and yes,
I truly am open to you being exactly that and would
indeed thoroughly enjoy that being the case! :)
I truly look forward to (if you are so inclined) an honest,
polite discussion and you proving that you are not like
Ike and those like him!
So here's to hoping that you and I never argue (meaning
not with bad feelings attached, but yet arguing and hey,
maybe even vigorously, meaning that we seriously debate
an issue with integrity) and that we both learn something
from each other and don't get caught up in the war that
these "newspaper prophets" who come here to seek
self-glorying and nothing more do! :)
--
Pastor Dave
"If then, these teachings [of a false prophet]
contradict the chief doctrine and article of Christ,
we should accord them neither with attention nor
acceptance though it were to snow miracles daily."
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