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old man joe
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 Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: God's Word... He does the saving Ps. 3:8 Modern Evangelica |
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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into
the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and
a robber. " Jn. 10:1
since Jesus goes on to teach that He and He alone is the Good
Shepherd, any gospel which defines man as His helper in salvation, or
any other thing, is proclaiming to the world that he is a co-redeemer
with Christ...
for without man's approval, God Almighty is powerless to save.
this kind of gospel is one of Gnostic brainwashing which seeks to
say that " you will be like God " saving yourself.
this kind of shepherd, Jesus goes on to say, the elected by grace
will simply not follow. the true sheep hear the voice of the Good
Shepherd and rightly give Him all of the glory for their salvation.
the elected by grace are given His indwelling Holy Spirit, who can
never teach these sheep that they were anything better than those
declared by Him as in Eph. 2:1-3... as sinful as they could be until
the Living God gave them life to hear the voice of the Good Shepherd.
first comes life, then comes believing in Jesus... Acts 13:48
first comes being born from above, then comes understanding what the
gospel is all about... Jn. 3:3
but...
" Because of the greatness of Thy power Thine enemies will give
feigned obedience to Thee. " Ps. 66:3
the sheep of the false gospels of Satan's pastures find it
incomprehensible, repulsive and contrary to conscience to give God in
Christ all of the glory and thankfulness for the salvation He freely
bestows. they've exposed themselves when they've placed conditions on
free grace.
these have redefined grace to be nothing more than filling all of
the conditions the sons of Satan could concoct... even though God's
Word gives at least 4 examples of prophets of the Most High as being
elected by grace unto salvation while yet fetuses. these are Jacob,
David, Jeremiah and John the Baptist. salvation is unconditional.
as long as this gospel of filling conditions exists, the elected by
grace alone apart from filling conditions is given by God as evidence
of sure, secure pasturing in the fold of the Good Shepherd, Jesus
Christ, ( Php. 1:28 ) giving God all of the glory for the doing and
taking no credit for co-redeeming themselves, which is the gospel of
every one who has climbed " up some other way ." Jn. 10:1 |
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Andrew
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| Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: Atheism - A Religious Belief |
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"bob young" wrote in message news:48DDA942.718B522A@netvigator.com...
| Quote: | I bet you wonder why there are atheists who show you that
religion is outdated primitive superstition ?
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Atheism is the religion of those who believe that there is no
God. It is based upon their faith, not on evidence. For one
to actually know that God does not exist, they would have
to know everything in the universe - in all of it's dimensions.
Otherwise the possibility would remain that God did exist
outside of their limited knowledge.
Now..if one were to actually know -everything- in the entire
universe in all of it's dimensions, then that would mean that
they were omniscient, a characteristic held only by God,
which would mean that they themselves would be God,
thus refuting their former assertion, "there is no God."
That is why atheism is an illogical religious belief.
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bob young
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Atheism - A Religious Belief |
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Andrew wrote:
| Quote: | "bob young" wrote in message news:48DDA942.718B522A@netvigator.com...
I bet you wonder why there are atheists who show you that
religion is outdated primitive superstition ?
Atheism is the religion of those who believe that there is no
God. It is based upon their faith, not on evidence.
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It is based on evidence. All one needs to do is open one's eyes, see or
read the accounts of all of man's gods and come to a sane conclusion.
They are *all* the work of man. It is called 'circumstantial evidence' -
enough for any sane person and for any Court of Law.
Anyone thinking otherwise has the monumental task of proving that the
thousands of other gods are/were the imaginary works of man, except his
god, his being the only real one.
I have yet to find anyone capable of doing this.
Falling back on 'the origins of the universe' as a case for the possible
existence of a two thousand year old 'recorded' [sic] god, goes against
everything taught in The Bible, a book that is used when it is convenient
to do so and underlines the frantic fear that god followers have that
'perhaps their god and the old book about that god, has all along been
simply a myth.
I have yet to find one of them with the courage to admit this.
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist, Brit.
Man creates his gods in his own image;
and then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content.
| Quote: | For one
to actually know that God does not exist, they would have
to know everything in the universe - in all of it's dimensions.
Otherwise the possibility would remain that God did exist
outside of their limited knowledge.
Now..if one were to actually know -everything- in the entire
universe in all of it's dimensions, then that would mean that
they were omniscient, a characteristic held only by God,
which would mean that they themselves would be God,
thus refuting their former assertion, "there is no God."
That is why atheism is an illogical religious belief.
Andrew |
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