Nuvoadam
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 Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:31 am Post subject: Re: God Talking To You |
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jstein@panix.com (Judy Stein) wrote in message news:<19b3c03e.0401012032.11d5a68d@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | penitent leper <bastaschs@peak.org> wrote in message news:<2dj1vv050dm945te6vjduibnegn3tks13t@4ax.com>...
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Indeed. Those ignorant, bored Jewish children who were burned in
Auschwitz cuz they wanted to avoid bliss. Perhaps they were
incarnating spirits who would rather have been displaced, deported,
tortured and murdered by Nazis than stay united to the One. Either
way, it makes these victims and the One look like morons.
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It's all just a passion-play, an affectation of light to amuse itself.
You volunteered to be here, and now you have this opportunity to return
to where you once came from with a collection of "new bread", as Jesus
put it. The new bread will be your friends you will save when you
yourself have attained Moksha. The new bread will also be the
inevitable animal/daemonic mind which, being part of the collectivity
which is you, will now get a free ride up Jacob's celestial ladder.
Emenationism is a wonderful thing! That water could be evaporating ice,
rising steam, condensing rain, and the clouds of ignorance all at once
is a wonder! It is all just a story to live through. Question is,
how many more lifetimes are you going to choose to be dissolved at
death and re-born in whatever way this happens to happen?
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Why do you assume these spirits are united to the One prior
to their incarnation?
There's a school of thought that maintains spirits can *only* become
united to the One through repeated human incarnation, which is why,
obviously, they would incarnate.
In between incarnations, prior to final liberation (Unity with the
One), spirits are said to exist on a plane that doesn't involve the
kind of suffering one experiences during incarnation, but it doesn't
involve unity with the One either, according to this school of
thought. "Heaven," in other words, is nice, but it's short of
Nirvana.
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No it is *a* Nirvana, don't you see? This is the world of form.
But for certain Buddhists and other sects of eastern-origin, the
Bardo-verse contains death-realms where we dwell until we have let
go of our attachement to form itself. On lower levels we may
have still have relationships. Each higher level tends to be
concerned more and more with mental manipulation of the
environment-- in other words, controlling matter/energy/light
with thought alone.
This kind of place is what the Gnostic calls *a* Pleroma and
the Xian calls *a* Heaven. |
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Carlcat
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:29 am Post subject: Re: God Talking To You |
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Nuvoadam wrote:
| Quote: | jstein@panix.com (Judy Stein) wrote in message news:<19b3c03e.0401012032.11d5a68d@posting.google.com>...
penitent leper <bastaschs@peak.org> wrote in message news:<2dj1vv050dm945te6vjduibnegn3tks13t@4ax.com>...
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Indeed. Those ignorant, bored Jewish children who were burned in
Auschwitz cuz they wanted to avoid bliss. Perhaps they were
incarnating spirits who would rather have been displaced, deported,
tortured and murdered by Nazis than stay united to the One. Either
way, it makes these victims and the One look like morons.
It's all just a passion-play, an affectation of light to amuse itself.
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Now, Nuvoadam, if you ever experienced torture, extreme harassment, and
horrible abuse, and decided for yourself that your life has meaning
because somehow you decided to amuse yourself and learn something in a
passion play with no holds barred... I'm not going to tell you that you
are wrong about yourself, maybe you are right about yourself, but that's
for you to wrestle with, I'm not going to tell you what to make of your
experience if you'd been through awful trauma.
But do you think it might be presumptuous to tell someone else who
perhaps remembers being slammed into bodily form violently, by force,
against their will, grabbed by some being and thrust into a body, etc.,
that they are wrong because of some idea you have that they choose to go
here to amuse themself? I would think it would be very presumptuous to
dogmatically tell someone that what they think happened to them
spiritually leading up to birth, what they saw in a profound vision,
etc., was incorrect because of my own experience or mere belief.
But even if someone has not had a vision of such pre-birth experiences,
why dogmatically presume that others choose this life, as if you know
why OTHERS are here, dealing with thier horrendous experiences, as if
that should be consoling to them or have any relevance or reality to it?
| Quote: | You volunteered to be here, and now you have this opportunity to return
to where you once came from with a collection of "new bread", as Jesus
put it.
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Ok, so those who choose to be Nazi's in WWII were trying to create a
'new breed', and the victims of the Nazi's, or the pariah class in Hindu
culture just choose to be victimized? Bullshit.
That's from Archons. One good clue is that it tends to puff up the ones
on top of this world.
| Quote: | Emenationism is a wonderful thing! That water could be evaporating ice,
rising steam, condensing rain, and the clouds of ignorance all at once
is a wonder! It is all just a story to live through.
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If that makes sense for you in YOUR life experience, I'm not going to
presume to tell you something different, but don't you think others
might find out something different about thier own travels?
Question is,
| Quote: | how many more lifetimes are you going to choose to be dissolved at
death and re-born in whatever way this happens to happen?
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Well that is a relevant question, it is a good question to ask, if
someone thinks they might reincarnate, how are they trying to beat the
oppressive cycle of live-death-rebirth.
| Quote: | No it is *a* Nirvana, don't you see? This is the world of form.
But for certain Buddhists and other sects of eastern-origin, the
Bardo-verse contains death-realms where we dwell until we have let
go of our attachement to form itself. On lower levels we may
have still have relationships. Each higher level tends to be
concerned more and more with mental manipulation of the
environment-- in other words, controlling matter/energy/light
with thought alone.
This kind of place is what the Gnostic calls *a* Pleroma and
the Xian calls *a* Heaven.
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It could be seen that way, that is one way to look at it, anyhow. |
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