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Mike Painter wrote:
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The Bible starts out with polytheism that identifies a particular
god as the god of the Israelites. Only over time does the concept
of only one god arise.
explain
"The Ten Commandments" by A. Powell Davies does a good job of this.
"Who wrote the bible" by Friedman is better.
You can also read both versions of the 10 commandments in the bible.
Ex:20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Deut 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
The minor difference between these two versions is covered in Davies
book. http://www.theskepticalreview.com/tsrmag/1poly94.html
What is new since they werer written is evidence that " Jewish
monotheism, the sole and exclusive worship of an ancient Semitic god
known as Yahweh, did not fully coalesce until the period between the
Assyrian conquest of the northern Jewish kingdom of Israel in 722
B.C. and the Babylonian conquest of the southern kingdom of Judah in
586."
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an interesting article for sure, prolly has some truth to it. However it
seems too skeptical as well as stretching points to make it's points to be
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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Cory Albrecht wrote:
| Quote: | SkyEyes wrote, On 16/08/08 06:05 PM:
On Aug 15, 7:40 pm, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or
Nehemiah? Joshua?
Oddly enough, King David was a real person, according to
archaeologists Israel Finkelstein (Tel Aviv University) and Neil
Silberman. His name has been found on a stela written in (IIRC) the
language of the ancient Moabites.
The Mesha stele? No, it doesn't mention David. It mentions a King
Omri. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesha_Stele
But that's to be expected: all myths, from every culture, are
fictional stories with supernatural elements, but they're all hung on
a scaffolding of "real" geography (see any one of a number of Joseph
Campbell's books, where he talks about this). Sometimes persons
mentioned in the myths actually existed. Where one gets into trouble
is when one tries to read myth as *history*. It isn't. It's usually
impossible to tell which mythic characters are historical and which
are fictional, and while the geographical locations of each myth
might exist, that doesn't mean the supernatural elements of the myth
are factual. That's where nutters like adman run off the rails.
If you think that adman is a nutter, you haven't come into contact
with "Agamemnon" who pops up from time to time in the history and
archaeology newsgroups. In his fantasy world all the Greek gods
literally existed as actual people 1000s of years ago.
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They did nutball.
The Greek Mythology is taken from egypian, mesopataiman and hebrew writings |
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Budikka666
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:25 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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On Aug 17, 5:36 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
| Quote: | Budikka666 wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:14 pm, "Mike Painter" <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
adman wrote:
"Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/08/discovery-insti-8.html
"The important thing about Intelligent Design is that it is not a
theory - which is something I think they need to make more clear.
Nor is Intelligent Design an explanation. Intelligent Design is a
challenge. It's a challenge to evolution. It does not replace
evolution with something else."
Budikka
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Do you actually BELIEVE that the entire universe, with us included,
is an undirected process that totally developed ALL by itself?
It does not matter what an individual believes. Science works on
evidence. If you have more than what you believe then offer it.
Speaking out in defense of the abocve shows how far you are from
science.
You are trying to referee a football game with baseball rules.
Don't you realize that in a couple hundred years people will be
laughing at your scientific discoveries of today, just as this
generation laughs at what mankind believed just a few hundred short
years ago?
Name some.
Yet the only consistant information regarding our existance that
continues to survive to this very day, (regardless of the variations
and errors it contains), are the historical traditions about God,
and the concept of God and Creation.
Ther's also the little people, faries, and all teh gods worshipped
by two thirds of teh world.
Science and theories will come and go. God will remain the same as
He has for thousands of years. The proof of that fact is the idea
of God is still here thousands of years latter. Yet your science
comes and goes with each new baby step it takes called revisions.
Mankind believed in your type of religion a few hundrd yewars ago and
science changed that.
Madman isn't the slightest bit interested in evidence or in
discussing/ weighing/comparing it. All he's interested in is
insulting atheists and demanding that they bow to his
unsubstantiated, unsupported, bullshit and lies. That's why he's now
on my ignore list. He's a waste of skin. I advise all other
atheists to ditch him as well.
He's quite evidently not worth any more electrons than have already
been expended on him..
iow i kicked your butt now you will run and instruct others to run
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It was in March this year. In a thread that began as "An Opportunity
for Intelligent Design to be Scientific", I posted a long message from
which adman fled. The message title was "Sadman Demonstrates his
Profound Ignorance of Science" (and indeed he did!).
Instead of addressing what I wrote, adman responded solely with this:
"When you admit that the big bang is moot because the singularity
cannot be proven, THEN i will debate your other topics in full and in
public."
I responded on March 30th with "I admit that the big bang is moot
because the singularity cannot be proven." and retitled the thread
"Adman-Budikka debate Begins".
Adman responded the next day with "She wins. I loose. Good by." and
that was that! That's proof beyond any shadow of a doubt that adman
is a coward, a hypocrite and a liar (as well as functionally
illiterate, which probably explains why he knows squat about evolution
- or even creation for that matter).
The thread is here:
http://tinyurl.com/5s6kdu
Enjoy.
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adman
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:28 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
| Quote: | "adman" <grat@hotmail.et
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 17/08/08 09:51 AM:
DanielSan wrote:
adman wrote:
And every theory has remained the same since this method was
developed?
No.
so science changed
No. the theories, changed, science (a.k.a. scientific methodology)
didn't.
You're having real trouble with the concept of changing one's views
based upon new evidence, eh?
No, i have a problem with a theory claimed to be true and latter
turns out to be wrong when the new evidence shows up.
In that case, you should begin getting your information on science
from sources other than ones which claim that any field of
science now has the final word, never to be improved, on
any phenomenon whatsoever.
"New Scientist" and "Scientific American" would be good places to
start. I have no idea where you've been getting your toy ideas
of what science is and what claims it makes, but you clearly
don't understand how scientists regard the nature of science.
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Allow me to clear up something, I believe scientists themselves are worthy
of praise for the many things that has benifited mankind.
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adman
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:29 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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Tim Miller wrote:
| Quote: | Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 17/08/08 09:51 AM:
DanielSan wrote:
adman wrote:
And every theory has remained the same since this method was
developed?
No.
so science changed
No. the theories, changed, science (a.k.a. scientific methodology)
didn't. You're having real trouble with the concept of changing one's
views
based upon new evidence, eh?
Of COURSE he does. Why else would he continue to cling to
a 2000 year old plagiarized collection of myths?
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Budikka666
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:33 am Post subject: Re: Adman's Reputation On The Line |
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On Aug 15, 9:11 am, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
| Quote: | "Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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adman wrote, On 14/08/08 01:50 AM:
"Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e3cbn5xkpq.ln2@xanadu.fenris.cjb.net...
adman wrote, On 12/08/08 02:04 PM:
"Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ucu8n5x382.ln2@xanadu.fenris.cjb.net...
adman wrote, On 12/08/08 12:04 AM:
"Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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adman wrote, On 11/08/08 07:18 PM:
Get back with me when a cat can breed with a rat and make a "crat"
or
new
creature that is both cat and rat.
snip BS
Ironic, because a cat breeding with a rat being evolution is pure
bullcrap. Do you have straw man fetish?
you have solid proof of species jumping?
"Species jumping"? Never hard that term before. Please elucidate what
you mean by it.
You have any proof that one life form evolved into another?
Yes. I have posted observed events of speciation multiple times.
When you combine that with transitional fossils, homologies, vestigial
organs, (palaeo)biogeography, molecular genetics and so forth, there is
only 1 reasonable result.
This sounds more like a preponderance of evidence that would lead some
folks
to believe one life form could evolve into another life form with out
actual
proof.
If you can show me bones of Animal #1 turning into Animal #2 with the
intermediate bones # 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 and so on, in-between, that
shows how #1 became #2 then I will throw my bible away.
No, you wont. I already give you a list of several sets of transitions,
including one for horses from a small, forest-dwelling browser to modern
horses, and one from early primate to modern Human.
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.talk.creationism/msg/590a322699ad4a...
What did you do? You just waved your hands, called it all garbage and
you didn't actually deal with anything.
IOW, you're into ignoring evidence which doesn't fit your pre-determined
outcome.
You are a hypocrite.
i hardly call a wikipedia link on mamels the proof
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_mammalian_auditory_ossicles
Lay the bones out. Let me see.
you can't
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It was in March this year. In a thread that began as "An Opportunity
for Intelligent Design to be Scientific", I posted a long message from
which adman fled. The message title was "Sadman Demonstrates his
Profound Ignorance of Science" (and indeed he did!).
Instead of addressing what I wrote, adman responded solely with this:
"When you admit that the big bang is moot because the singularity
cannot be proven, THEN i will debate your other topics in full and in
public."
I responded on March 30th with "I admit that the big bang is moot
because the singularity cannot be proven." and retitled the thread
"Adman-Budikka debate Begins".
Adman responded the next day with "She wins. I loose. Good by." and
that was that! That's proof beyond any shadow of a doubt that adman
is a coward, a hypocrite and a liar (as well as functionally
illiterate, which probably explains why he knows squat about evolution
- or even creation for that matter).
The thread is here:
http://tinyurl.com/5s6kdu
Enjoy.
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adman
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:39 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
| Quote: | In article
a1b5ab65-67b3-4d80-bdcd-4f1515303cba@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com
SkyEyes <skyeyes9@cox.net> writes:
On Aug 17, 1:34=A0pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
SkyEyes wrote:
On Aug 15, 7:40 pm, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:20 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:51 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:17 PM:
"Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7dsgn5xfoh.ln2@xanadu.fenris.cjb.net...
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:36 AM:
"bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:48A50A25.D6B48D36@netvigator.com...
adman wrote:
"Stan-O" <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:36:34 -0500, "adman"
g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
OOOO...snap! I can't wait to see this Josh McDowell
wannabe wiggle out
of this one
Laugh!
Moses wrote down what others had seen k00ks. There WERE
other written down
traditions //before// the bible.
IOW, Moses was a plagiarist.
Moses was a great author that used all available
information at his disposal
Wrong; he was a charlatan and a liar, claiming to have
chatted with a god on a mountain top, simply to get "
Ooohs" and 'Aaahs" from his admiring crowd of followers.
Xtian charlatans have been hanging on to his coat tails
ever since
Prove me wrong
YOU made the claim. Prove Moses lied. Prove he did not
talk to God.
Or has the WORLD been wrong all this time while only Bob is
right?
How about you proving that Moses existed, first.
How do you know your
great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,
grandfather existed?
Because I wouldn't be here if my ancestors did not exist?
Are you claiming that you are descended from Moses? Because
you still haven't even shown any evidence that he existed.
Moses was real. If you had read the bible you would know that
fact
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
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No, History is proof the Bible is real.
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or
Nehemiah? Joshua?
Oddly enough, King David was a real person, according to
archaeologists Israel Finkelstein =A0(Tel Aviv University) =A0and
Neil Silberman. =A0His name has been found on a stela written in
(IIRC) the language of the ancient Moabites.
But that's to be expected: all myths, from every culture, are
fictional stories with supernatural elements, but they're all hung
on
a scaffolding of "real" geography (see any one of a number of
Joseph Campbell's books, where he talks about this). =A0Sometimes
persons mentioned in the myths actually existed. =A0Where one gets
into trouble is when one tries to read myth as *history*. =A0It
isn't. =A0It's usual=
ly
impossible to tell which mythic characters are historical and which
are fictional, and while the geographical locations of each myth
might exist, that doesn't mean the supernatural elements of the
myth are factual. =A0That's where nutters like adman run off the
rails.
Oh puleezzee. i have forgotten more history then you have probably
read i=
n
your entire life
Your lack of a rational response is duly noted, as well as the
implications of your inability to frame one.
And as for having your having forgotten more history than I've read
in my lifetime? Don't fucking bet on it, Sparky. I've spent a
lifetime with my nose in books, and history is one of my favorite
subjects.
Well, in all fairness `adman' appears to have read a lot of
history too.
Most of it of the Velikovsky-von Daniken-Lin Liangtai school
of historical thought.
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arf arf arf ! *seal claps for you* ---you made a funny!
AND...It's Velikovsky, Erich von Daniken, and von Flanderen, Not that
jibberish you wrote.
get your facts and history right.
And how do you know aliens were not responsible for the pyramids and other
historic artifacts?
Ever read of "the watchers"? Ancient vedas? Thats all history too. Just
not your generally accepted history.
But history none the less.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:42 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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SkyEyes wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 17, 1:34 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
SkyEyes wrote:
On Aug 15, 7:40 pm, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:20 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:51 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:17 PM:
"Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7dsgn5xfoh.ln2@xanadu.fenris.cjb.net...
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:36 AM:
"bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:48A50A25.D6B48D36@netvigator.com...
adman wrote:
"Stan-O" <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:l5r6a4drnt7mv033bpmhtfrn1fo6lsgjag@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:36:34 -0500, "adman"
g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
OOOO...snap! I can't wait to see this Josh McDowell
wannabe wiggle out
of this one
Laugh!
Moses wrote down what others had seen k00ks. There WERE
other written down
traditions //before// the bible.
IOW, Moses was a plagiarist.
Moses was a great author that used all available
information at his disposal
Wrong; he was a charlatan and a liar, claiming to have
chatted with a god on a mountain top, simply to get "
Ooohs" and 'Aaahs" from his admiring crowd of followers.
Xtian charlatans have been hanging on to his coat tails
ever since
Prove me wrong
YOU made the claim. Prove Moses lied. Prove he did not talk
to God.
Or has the WORLD been wrong all this time while only Bob is
right?
How about you proving that Moses existed, first.
How do you know your
great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,
grandfather existed?
Because I wouldn't be here if my ancestors did not exist?
Are you claiming that you are descended from Moses? Because you
still haven't even shown any evidence that he existed.
Moses was real. If you had read the bible you would know that
fact
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
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No, History is proof the Bible is real.
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or
Nehemiah? Joshua?
Oddly enough, King David was a real person, according to
archaeologists Israel Finkelstein (Tel Aviv University) and Neil
Silberman. His name has been found on a stela written in (IIRC) the
language of the ancient Moabites.
But that's to be expected: all myths, from every culture, are
fictional stories with supernatural elements, but they're all hung
on a scaffolding of "real" geography (see any one of a number of
Joseph Campbell's books, where he talks about this). Sometimes
persons mentioned in the myths actually existed. Where one gets
into trouble is when one tries to read myth as *history*. It isn't.
It's usually impossible to tell which mythic characters are
historical and which are fictional, and while the geographical
locations of each myth might exist, that doesn't mean the
supernatural elements of the myth are factual. That's where nutters
like adman run off the rails.
Oh puleezzee. i have forgotten more history then you have probably
read in your entire life
Your lack of a rational response is duly noted, as well as the
implications of your inability to frame one.
And as for having your having forgotten more history than I've read in
my lifetime? Don't fucking bet on it, Sparky. I've spent a lifetime
with my nose in books, and history is one of my favorite subjects.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
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Well, i guess i will have to conceed to your extrodinary edcuational level
of "Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding" and admit that a cat
herder knows more about history then I.
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adman
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SkyEyes wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 18, 11:33 am, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
SkyEyes wrote, On 16/08/08 06:05 PM:
On Aug 15, 7:40 pm, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or
Nehemiah? Joshua?
Oddly enough, King David was a real person, according to
archaeologists Israel Finkelstein (Tel Aviv University) and Neil
Silberman. His name has been found on a stela written in (IIRC) the
language of the ancient Moabites.
The Mesha stele? No, it doesn't mention David. It mentions a King
Omri.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesha_Stele
No, not the Mesha. I know that the stele in question mentions King
David specifically. My cite for this is the PBS series _Unearthing
the Bible_, which I've watched several times. Sorry I can't get more
specific than that right now, but I'm at work, my books are at home.
But that's to be expected: all myths, from every culture, are
fictional stories with supernatural elements, but they're all hung
on a scaffolding of "real" geography (see any one of a number of
Joseph Campbell's books, where he talks about this). Sometimes
persons mentioned in the myths actually existed. Where one gets
into trouble is when one tries to read myth as *history*. It isn't.
It's usually impossible to tell which mythic characters are
historical and which are fictional, and while the geographical
locations of each myth might exist, that doesn't mean the
supernatural elements of the myth are factual. That's where nutters
like adman run off the rails.
If you think that adman is a nutter, you haven't come into contact
with "Agamemnon" who pops up from time to time in the history and
archaeology
newsgroups. In his fantasy world all the Greek gods literally
existed as
actual people 1000s of years ago.
Sounds like he took Joseph Campbell at his word. Campbell held that
mythological beings (like Hercules, for example, or King Arthur) were
characters built around real people, to whom great and supernatural
deads/qualities had come to be associated. I seriously doubt there's
any way to prove this conjecture wrong *or* right.
Brenda
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Tim Miller
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adman wrote:
| Quote: | Tim Miller wrote:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 17/08/08 09:51 AM:
DanielSan wrote:
adman wrote:
And every theory has remained the same since this method was
developed?
No.
so science changed
No. the theories, changed, science (a.k.a. scientific methodology)
didn't. You're having real trouble with the concept of changing one's
views
based upon new evidence, eh?
Of COURSE he does. Why else would he continue to cling to
a 2000 year old plagiarized collection of myths?
This thought comes to you from: Alt.talk.creationism's potty mouth!
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Tim Miller
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adman wrote:
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Well, i guess i will have to conceed to your extrodinary edcuational level
of "Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding" and admit that a cat
herder knows more about history then I.
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Drunks on the street (a subset I'm NOT sure excludes you) know
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| Quote: | Free Lunch wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:56:16 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:15:44 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote
in alt.talk.creationism:
John Baker wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:15:50 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et
wrote:
GordHnotGordB wrote:
adman wrote:
CLUE: For people to have written about God, some of them must
have been face to face with Him at one time in Earths history.
Really?
Okay then: For people to have written about James T. Kirk, some
of them must have been face to face with him at one time in
Earth's history.
You happy with that?
You absolute fucking moron.
You obviously have a hard time distinguishing between reality
(God) and fantasy (kirk)
You just aren't getting it, are you, arseboy? Here, I'll spell it
out for you. Star Trek = fiction. The Bible = fiction. Get it now,
arseboy?
let me fix that for you: Star Trek = fiction. The Bible = truth.
Get it now, arseboy?
You have absolutely no evidence that the Bible is true and people
have pointed you to huge amounts of evidence about errors in the
Bible. All you do is ignore that evidence and shout, even more
mindlessly, that your interpretation is correct and that everyone
else on earth is wrong.
there ya go with them lies again
Lying to us about it will not change the fact that you have no
evidence.
Science lies everyday with unproven theories. If that was not bad enough,
they present such lies in the classroom as truth.
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Still no evidence, I see.
Smiler,
The godless one
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Mike Painter
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adman wrote:
| Quote: | Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 17/08/08 09:51 AM:
DanielSan wrote:
adman wrote:
And every theory has remained the same since this method was
developed?
No.
so science changed
No. the theories, changed, science (a.k.a. scientific methodology)
didn't.
You're having real trouble with the concept of changing one's views
based upon new evidence, eh?
No, i have a problem with a theory claimed to be true and latter
turns out to be wrong when the new evidence shows up.
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Mike Painter
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:31 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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adman wrote:
| Quote: | Tim Miller wrote:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 17/08/08 09:51 AM:
DanielSan wrote:
adman wrote:
And every theory has remained the same since this method was
developed?
No.
so science changed
No. the theories, changed, science (a.k.a. scientific methodology)
didn't. You're having real trouble with the concept of changing
one's views
based upon new evidence, eh?
Of COURSE he does. Why else would he continue to cling to
a 2000 year old plagiarized collection of myths?
This thought comes to you from: Alt.talk.creationism's potty mouth!
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This thought comes to you from all the work honest christians have done
since the church stopped killing them for not accepting what they were told
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Smiler
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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SkyEyes wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 18, 11:33 am, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
SkyEyes wrote, On 16/08/08 06:05 PM:
On Aug 15, 7:40 pm, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or
Nehemiah? Joshua?
Oddly enough, King David was a real person, according to
archaeologists Israel Finkelstein (Tel Aviv University) and Neil
Silberman. His name has been found on a stela written in (IIRC) the
language of the ancient Moabites.
The Mesha stele? No, it doesn't mention David. It mentions a King
Omri.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesha_Stele
No, not the Mesha. I know that the stele in question mentions King
David specifically. My cite for this is the PBS series _Unearthing
the Bible_, which I've watched several times. Sorry I can't get more
specific than that right now, but I'm at work, my books are at home.
But that's to be expected: all myths, from every culture, are
fictional stories with supernatural elements, but they're all hung
on a scaffolding of "real" geography (see any one of a number of
Joseph Campbell's books, where he talks about this). Sometimes
persons mentioned in the myths actually existed. Where one gets
into trouble is when one tries to read myth as *history*. It isn't.
It's usually impossible to tell which mythic characters are
historical and which are fictional, and while the geographical
locations of each myth might exist, that doesn't mean the
supernatural elements of the myth are factual. That's where nutters
like adman run off the rails.
If you think that adman is a nutter, you haven't come into contact
with "Agamemnon" who pops up from time to time in the history and
archaeology
newsgroups. In his fantasy world all the Greek gods literally
existed as
actual people 1000s of years ago.
Sounds like he took Joseph Campbell at his word. Campbell held that
mythological beings (like Hercules, for example, or King Arthur) were
characters built around real people, to whom great and supernatural
deads/qualities had come to be associated. I seriously doubt there's
any way to prove this conjecture wrong *or* right.
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The same could apply to the supposed jesus character.
He may have been a real person around whom the supposed supernatural
deeds/qualities were woven.
Yoshua was a very common name in those days.
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