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Mike Painter wrote:
| Quote: | adman wrote:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 17/08/08 09:51 AM:
DanielSan wrote:
adman wrote:
And every theory has remained the same since this method was
developed?
No.
so science changed
No. the theories, changed, science (a.k.a. scientific methodology)
didn't.
You're having real trouble with the concept of changing one's views
based upon new evidence, eh?
No, i have a problem with a theory claimed to be true and latter
turns out to be wrong when the new evidence shows up.
That's because you still don't have an understanding of what a theory
is.
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Or an understanding of what evidence is.
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Cory Albrecht
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:49 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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adman wrote, On 18/08/08 04:06 PM:
| Quote: | Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 17/08/08 09:51 AM:
DanielSan wrote:
adman wrote:
And every theory has remained the same since this method was
developed?
No.
so science changed
No. the theories, changed, science (a.k.a. scientific methodology)
didn't.
You're having real trouble with the concept of changing one's views
based upon new evidence, eh?
No, i have a problem with a theory claimed to be true and latter turns out
to be wrong when the new evidence shows up.
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Let me guess... you skip over that part that begins with "based on our
current knowledge..."?
Because if you don't then you have basically (and dishonestly) set up a
strawman which is nothing like how science or scientists work.
That scientists always preface things with those "current knowledge"
statements is an admission that they very well may be shown wrong in th
future.
Scientists don't portray theories as the absolute truths you want them
to declare just so as your pet strawman can become anything more than
fantasy.
So basically you're bitching about science because scientists admit when
the evidence shows they are wrong.
You, on the other hand, never... well, let's just say I'm still waiting
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SwordoZ
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:02 am Post subject: Re: # SEXUAL LIFE IN THE PARADISE ? # |
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This is another perfect example that we must live in the times of the
end of the world coming soon-Daniel 12.4,9.
For many ages past almost nobody knew that all saved christians will
enjoy sexual intimacy in marriage in the Paradise.
Now comes ANOTHER pervert, applying the profane to the sacred.
Nevermind what Jesus said, right?
SoZ
No, but one should be ever mindful of the malady of mis-interpreted
reasoning which is a common affliction of the many who attempt to
interpret the recorded spoken words of JC.
There's no "interpretation" to it--the PROFANITY of HUMAN SEXUALITY will
NOT EXIST IN HEAVEN.
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<SoZ> The profanity is in your response.
Gen 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is <NOT GOOD> that the man should be
alone; I will make him an help meet?f? for him."
Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he
slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made?i? he a woman,
and brought her unto the man. 23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my
bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman?j?, because she was
taken out of Man. 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. 25 And they
were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
It's quite apparent that you unknowingly are mis-interpreting, while
contradicting as well, the CREATOR's viewpoint that what he had created
from/through the man, a woman, was "good" to him .... including human
sexuality.
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Mt 22:30 For in the resurrection
SoZ
Do you have any prophetic insight concerning the process by which the
resurrection will occur? If you do, I would be interested in reading
such.
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<SoZ>
The "knowing" hasn't revealed this to you yet? I await your insight.
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they neither marry, nor are given in
marriage,
but are as the angels of God in heaven.
SoZ
Does the basis of your prophetic insight, as touching the resurrection,
believe that the "resurrected" will revert back to an idyllic angelic
state of being?
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| Quote: | One cannot REVERT to something THEY'VE NEVER BEEN, dumkopf.
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<SoZ>
NEVER BEEN! It's quite obvious your response is very telling of your
understanding concerning the synonymous relationship of "angels" and
"humans" throughout scripture. Wow! I believe your in need of a "time out"
to rethink your position.
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John Baker
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:17:42 +0100, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:59:48 +0100, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com
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"Stan-O" <bndsna807@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:37:28 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:04:20 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote:
CLUE: For people to have written about God, some of them must
have
been
face to face with Him at one time in Earths history.
Really? So since "people have written about" unicorns, santa etc.
they
must have been "face to face" with them at some point??
Are you at least starting to see how ridiculous you sound?
I see you cannot differentiate between things like fiction,
non-fiction,
humor,.
i guess you are the reason book stores have those signs that tell
what
section you are in.
...and at my local B&N, religion and fantasy are next to each other.
Coincidence?
surely you meant 'Religion' and 'Fiction'
Perhaps, but I fantasy is the closest genre in the store.
you mispelled Fact
The only fact related to any bible that the store sells is the price
and the publishing company...
"And the title. Don't forget the title."
Ok. The only facts related to any bible that the store sells is the price,
the publishing company and the title...
"What about the page numbers?"
sigh
The only facts related to any bible that the store sells is the price, the
publishing company, the title and the page numbers...
"It has an ISBN, doesn't it?"
getting angry
The only facts related to any bible that the store sells is the price, the
publishing company, the title, the page numbers and the ISBN...
Wait ... I'll come in again....
But, then I'll be expecting you 
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NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition!
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Smiler,
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Cory Albrecht
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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Smiler wrote, On 18/08/08 07:41 PM:
| Quote: | SkyEyes wrote:
On Aug 18, 11:33 am, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
SkyEyes wrote, On 16/08/08 06:05 PM:
On Aug 15, 7:40 pm, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or
Nehemiah? Joshua?
Oddly enough, King David was a real person, according to
archaeologists Israel Finkelstein (Tel Aviv University) and Neil
Silberman. His name has been found on a stela written in (IIRC) the
language of the ancient Moabites.
The Mesha stele? No, it doesn't mention David. It mentions a King
Omri.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesha_Stele
No, not the Mesha. I know that the stele in question mentions King
David specifically. My cite for this is the PBS series _Unearthing
the Bible_, which I've watched several times. Sorry I can't get more
specific than that right now, but I'm at work, my books are at home.
But that's to be expected: all myths, from every culture, are
fictional stories with supernatural elements, but they're all hung
on a scaffolding of "real" geography (see any one of a number of
Joseph Campbell's books, where he talks about this). Sometimes
persons mentioned in the myths actually existed. Where one gets
into trouble is when one tries to read myth as *history*. It isn't.
It's usually impossible to tell which mythic characters are
historical and which are fictional, and while the geographical
locations of each myth might exist, that doesn't mean the
supernatural elements of the myth are factual. That's where nutters
like adman run off the rails.
If you think that adman is a nutter, you haven't come into contact
with "Agamemnon" who pops up from time to time in the history and
archaeology
newsgroups. In his fantasy world all the Greek gods literally
existed as
actual people 1000s of years ago.
Sounds like he took Joseph Campbell at his word. Campbell held that
mythological beings (like Hercules, for example, or King Arthur) were
characters built around real people, to whom great and supernatural
deads/qualities had come to be associated. I seriously doubt there's
any way to prove this conjecture wrong *or* right.
The same could apply to the supposed jesus character.
He may have been a real person around whom the supposed supernatural
deeds/qualities were woven.
Yoshua was a very common name in those days.
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Except that Agamemnon doesn't believe that Odysseus and others are a
core of truth surrounded by legendary and mythical accretions to the
point where we can no longer tell what the real Odysseus did, what real
things were falsely attributed to him and what storied were made up out
of whole cloth. He believes that Odysseus literally existed and
literally did everything mentioned in the Illiad and the Odyssey. Same
goes for Jason, Cadmus and all those other mythical ancient Greek
heroes. He also believes that Zeuse, Hera, and all thr Greek gods were
also literal Proto-Greek people who were deified after death and that
all other eastern Mediterranean and Ancient Near East religions are
based upon those people.
For a laugh, check out this this
<http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.religion.quaker/browse_frm/thread/63a91662c8127516/ba7986fd503b0c61?hl=en&lnk=st&q=Cory+Albrecht+Agamemnon+Cadmus#>
between Agamemnon and myself in
sci.archaeology. |
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Cory Albrecht
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Smiler wrote, On 18/08/08 07:43 PM:
| Quote: | Mike Painter wrote:
adman wrote:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 17/08/08 09:51 AM:
DanielSan wrote:
adman wrote:
And every theory has remained the same since this method was
developed?
No.
so science changed
No. the theories, changed, science (a.k.a. scientific methodology)
didn't.
You're having real trouble with the concept of changing one's views
based upon new evidence, eh?
No, i have a problem with a theory claimed to be true and latter
turns out to be wrong when the new evidence shows up.
That's because you still don't have an understanding of what a theory
is.
Or an understanding of what evidence is.
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Oh, I think he knows perfectly what evidence is. That's why he never
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SwordoZ
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: Re: # SEXUAL LIFE IN THE PARADISE ? # |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Randy ®" <pulpitfire@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:30:05 -0500,
in article <g87kdf$p9t$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
the PROFANITY of HUMAN SEXUALITY will NOT
EXIST IN HEAVEN.
The Bible teaches there will be no sexuality in heaven, but it
does not teach that sex within Biblical marriage is profanity.
Yes, it does.
SoZ |
You are dead wrong Ike.
| Quote: | Ge 3:16 ¶ Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and
thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire
shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
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| Quote: | Natural childbirth was a CURSE on Eve. It was NOT how things were SUPPOSED
to be for her.
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A self-inflicted curse.
| Quote: | Moreover, the PROFANITY of the NATURAL CHILDBIRTH is REINFORCED in THE
LAW...
Lev 12:1-8
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of
Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then
she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation
for her infirmity shall she be unclean: And in the eighth day the flesh of
his foreskin shall be circumcised.
And she shall then continue in the blood OF HER PURIFYING three and
thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the
sanctuary, until the days of her PURIFYING be fulfilled.
But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as
in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her PURIFYING
threescore and six days.
And when the days of her PURIFYING are fulfilled, for a son, or for a
daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering,
and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, for a SIN OFFERING, unto the door of
the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest: Who shall offer it
before the LORD, and make an atonement for her; and she shall be cleansed
from the issue of her blood. This is the law for her that hath born a male
or a female.
And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two
turtles, or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the
other for a SIN OFFERING: and the priest shall make AN ATONEMENT for her,
and she shall be clean.
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<SoZ>
Natural childbirth is not profane. Lev 12:1-8 was nothing more than
instructions concerning womanly health and sanitation issues after
childbirth within the nation of Israel.
| Quote: | When Eve, then Adam, sinned, THEY BECAME PART OF THE NATURAL WORLD,
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<SoZ>
"THEY BECAME PART OF THE NATURAL WORLD" .... when they were the foundational
piece of the natural world since creation?????????
AND ALL
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<SoZ>
Your talking like someone with a paper "you know what" This natural world is
the "epitomy" of the creative intelligence and understanding of a CREATOR
.... why do you call it profane?
Human nature, the originator of profanity, continues to stand unbridled and
unrestrained before the CREATOR in this natural world, ever since Adam and
Eve's banishment from that idyllic natural world in which they were
orginally created .. and you are doing a "good" job of continuing their
legacy of banishment.
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On Aug 18, 11:02 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
| Quote: | Smiler wrote:
"adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote in message
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Science lies everyday with unproven theories. If that was not bad
enough, they present such lies in the classroom as truth.
Still no evidence, I see.
Still no common sense i see
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Cory Albrecht wrote:
| Quote: | adman wrote, On 18/08/08 04:06 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 17/08/08 09:51 AM:
DanielSan wrote:
adman wrote:
And every theory has remained the same since this method was
developed?
No.
so science changed
No. the theories, changed, science (a.k.a. scientific methodology)
didn't.
You're having real trouble with the concept of changing one's views
based upon new evidence, eh?
No, i have a problem with a theory claimed to be true and latter
turns out to be wrong when the new evidence shows up.
Let me guess...
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adman
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Smiler wrote:
| Quote: | "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote in message
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Science lies everyday with unproven theories. If that was not bad
enough, they present such lies in the classroom as truth.
Still no evidence, I see.
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SkyEyes wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 16, 4:53 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
SkyEyes wrote:
On Aug 16, 4:19 am, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:20 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:51 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:17 PM:
"Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:36 AM:
"bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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adman wrote:
"Stan-O" <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:36:34 -0500, "adman"
g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
OOOO...snap! I can't wait to see this Josh McDowell
wannabe wiggle out
of this one
Laugh!
Moses wrote down what others had seen k00ks. There WERE
other written down
traditions //before// the bible.
IOW, Moses was a plagiarist.
Moses was a great author that used all available
information at his disposal
Wrong; he was a charlatan and a liar, claiming to have
chatted with a god on a mountain top, simply to get "
Ooohs" and 'Aaahs" from his admiring crowd of followers.
Xtian charlatans have been hanging on to his coat tails
ever since
Prove me wrong
YOU made the claim. Prove Moses lied. Prove he did not talk
to God.
Or has the WORLD been wrong all this time while only Bob is
right?
How about you proving that Moses existed, first.
How do you know your
great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,
grandfather existed?
Because I wouldn't be here if my ancestors did not exist?
Are you claiming that you are descended from Moses? Because
you still haven't even shown any evidence that he existed.
Moses was real. If you had read the bible you would know that
fact
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
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No, History is proof the Bible is real.
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or
Nehemiah? Joshua?
Do you actually think everything written by and written about the
people you mention is a LIE?
No, I think it's *myth*. Myths are fictional stores with
supernatural elements meant to impart a psychological truth (and
please note that "truth" is *not* the same thing as "fact"). Myths
are *always* set in real places, the places where the people live
to whom the myth is addressed. Once in a while, like with King
David, myths can incorporate people who actually lived. However,
that does not mean that the supernatural elements of the myth are
*fact*. They're not. The supernatural elements in myths are there
to impart a psychological truth to the people for whom the myth was
written - and that means for the people who come from the
geographic region in which the myth was set. Read some books by the
late, great Joseph Campbell: he spent his life studying the nature,
formation, and meaning of myths. He went so far as to learn to
speak and read ancient Sanskrit, so that he could get at the
essential meaning of Hindu mythology.
When you take your biblical myths to be literal history, you are not
only being shockingly stupid, but you are shortchanging yourself.
You are missing the *real* point of the myth.
ALL OF IT?
Yes, all of it. It's *myth*. It was *written* as myth. It's meant to
be *understood* as myth. Suck it up and deal.
Get Real.
There goes *another* irony meter. Sheesh.
I do not think you understand the difference between things like
*The Greek Mythology* stories and what was recorded and intended as
*information* and History. Read the bible.
1. You keep asserting
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
| Quote: | In article <8Qmqk.12411$kh2.7299@bignews3.bellsouth.net> "adman"
grat@hotmail.et> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article
a1b5ab65-67b3-4d80-bdcd-4f1515303cba@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com
SkyEyes <skyeyes9@cox.net> writes:
On Aug 17, 1:34=A0pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
SkyEyes wrote:
On Aug 15, 7:40 pm, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com
wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:20 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:51 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:17 PM:
"Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:36 AM:
"bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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adman wrote:
"Stan-O" <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:36:34 -0500, "adman"
g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
OOOO...snap! I can't wait to see this Josh McDowell
wannabe wiggle out
of this one
Laugh!
Moses wrote down what others had seen k00ks. There
WERE other written down
traditions //before// the bible.
IOW, Moses was a plagiarist.
Moses was a great author that used all available
information at his disposal
Wrong; he was a charlatan and a liar, claiming to have
chatted with a god on a mountain top, simply to get "
Ooohs" and 'Aaahs" from his admiring crowd of followers.
Xtian charlatans have been hanging on to his coat tails
ever since
Prove me wrong
YOU made the claim. Prove Moses lied. Prove he did not
talk to God.
Or has the WORLD been wrong all this time while only Bob
is right?
How about you proving that Moses existed, first.
How do you know your
great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,
grandfather existed?
Because I wouldn't be here if my ancestors did not exist?
Are you claiming that you are descended from Moses? Because
you still haven't even shown any evidence that he existed.
Moses was real. If you had read the bible you would know that
fact
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
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No, History is proof the Bible is real.
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the
Patriarchs existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about
Ezra or Nehemiah? Joshua?
Oddly enough, King David was a real person, according to
archaeologists Israel Finkelstein =A0(Tel Aviv University) =A0and
Neil Silberman. =A0His name has been found on a stela written in
(IIRC) the language of the ancient Moabites.
But that's to be expected: all myths, from every culture, are
fictional stories with supernatural elements, but they're all
hung on
a scaffolding of "real" geography (see any one of a number of
Joseph Campbell's books, where he talks about this). =A0Sometimes
persons mentioned in the myths actually existed. =A0Where one
gets into trouble is when one tries to read myth as *history*.
=A0It isn't. =A0It's usual=
ly
impossible to tell which mythic characters are historical and
which are fictional, and while the geographical locations of
each myth might exist, that doesn't mean the supernatural
elements of the myth are factual. =A0That's where nutters like
adman run off the rails.
Oh puleezzee. i have forgotten more history then you have probably
read i=
n
your entire life
Your lack of a rational response is duly noted, as well as the
implications of your inability to frame one.
And as for having your having forgotten more history than I've read
in my lifetime? Don't fucking bet on it, Sparky. I've spent a
lifetime with my nose in books, and history is one of my favorite
subjects.
Well, in all fairness `adman' appears to have read a lot of
history too.
Most of it of the Velikovsky-von Daniken-Lin Liangtai school
of historical thought.
arf arf arf ! *seal claps for you* ---you made a funny!
AND...It's Velikovsky, Erich von Daniken, and von Flanderen, Not that
jibberish you wrote.
Oh, you should read some other threads in this group besides
your own. Lin Liangtai makes von Daniken look like a member
of the Royal Society.
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no disagreement THERE!
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get your facts and history right.
And how do you know aliens were not responsible for the pyramids and
other historic artifacts?
How do you know that I did not <POOF!> speak the pyramids into
existence in my incartation as Kharnaghat the Inscrutable, lo these many
millennia ago?
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Because THAT would be impossible silly gurl. YOU were born within the last
100 years. i hope.
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Ever read of "the watchers"? Ancient vedas? Thats all history too.
Just not your generally accepted history.
True, true -- in the same sense that the writings of Edgar Allen Poe
is not your generally accepted ornithology.
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people scared shitless of a race of (angels) or aliens or what ever you
want to call them.
it is really THAT s-i-m-p-l-e
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
| Quote: | "adman" <grat@hotmail.et
SkyEyes wrote:
On Aug 17, 1:34 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
SkyEyes wrote:
On Aug 15, 7:40 pm, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com
wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:20 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:51 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:17 PM:
"Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7dsgn5xfoh.ln2@xanadu.fenris.cjb.net...
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:36 AM:
"bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:48A50A25.D6B48D36@netvigator.com...
adman wrote:
"Stan-O" <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:l5r6a4drnt7mv033bpmhtfrn1fo6lsgjag@4ax.com...
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:36:34 -0500, "adman"
g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
OOOO...snap! I can't wait to see this Josh McDowell
wannabe wiggle out
of this one
Laugh!
Moses wrote down what others had seen k00ks. There
WERE other written down
traditions //before// the bible.
IOW, Moses was a plagiarist.
Moses was a great author that used all available
information at his disposal
Wrong; he was a charlatan and a liar, claiming to have
chatted with a god on a mountain top, simply to get "
Ooohs" and 'Aaahs" from his admiring crowd of followers.
Xtian charlatans have been hanging on to his coat tails
ever since
Prove me wrong
YOU made the claim. Prove Moses lied. Prove he did not
talk to God.
Or has the WORLD been wrong all this time while only Bob
is right?
How about you proving that Moses existed, first.
How do you know your
great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,
grandfather existed?
Because I wouldn't be here if my ancestors did not exist?
Are you claiming that you are descended from Moses? Because
you still haven't even shown any evidence that he existed.
Moses was real. If you had read the bible you would know that
fact
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
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No, History is proof the Bible is real.
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the
Patriarchs existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about
Ezra or Nehemiah? Joshua?
Oddly enough, King David was a real person, according to
archaeologists Israel Finkelstein (Tel Aviv University) and Neil
Silberman. His name has been found on a stela written in (IIRC)
the language of the ancient Moabites.
But that's to be expected: all myths, from every culture, are
fictional stories with supernatural elements, but they're all hung
on a scaffolding of "real" geography (see any one of a number of
Joseph Campbell's books, where he talks about this). Sometimes
persons mentioned in the myths actually existed. Where one gets
into trouble is when one tries to read myth as *history*. It
isn't. It's usually impossible to tell which mythic characters are
historical and which are fictional, and while the geographical
locations of each myth might exist, that doesn't mean the
supernatural elements of the myth are factual. That's where
nutters like adman run off the rails.
Oh puleezzee. i have forgotten more history then you have probably
read in your entire life
Your lack of a rational response is duly noted, as well as the
implications of your inability to frame one.
And as for having your having forgotten more history than I've read
in my lifetime? Don't fucking bet on it, Sparky. I've spent a
lifetime with my nose in books, and history is one of my favorite
subjects.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
Well, i guess i will have to conceed to your extrodinary edcuational
level of "Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding" and
admit that a cat herder knows more about history then I.
Oh, after exchanging many correspondences with Brenda on a wide
variety of topics, I'd bet the farm -- and mind you, I actually do
own a farm -- on the likelihood of her knowing far more history than
you.
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WELL!
arent YOU SPECIAL.
but is highly unlikely she knows more about ancient history then me.
HIGHLY unlikely,
Any questions?
Go:
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adman
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Cory Albrecht wrote:
| Quote: | Smiler wrote, On 18/08/08 07:41 PM:
SkyEyes wrote:
On Aug 18, 11:33 am, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
SkyEyes wrote, On 16/08/08 06:05 PM:
On Aug 15, 7:40 pm, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com
wrote:
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the
Patriarchs existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about
Ezra or Nehemiah? Joshua?
Oddly enough, King David was a real person, according to
archaeologists Israel Finkelstein (Tel Aviv University) and Neil
Silberman. His name has been found on a stela written in (IIRC)
the language of the ancient Moabites.
The Mesha stele? No, it doesn't mention David. It mentions a King
Omri.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesha_Stele
No, not the Mesha. I know that the stele in question mentions King
David specifically. My cite for this is the PBS series _Unearthing
the Bible_, which I've watched several times. Sorry I can't get
more specific than that right now, but I'm at work, my books are at
home.
But that's to be expected: all myths, from every culture, are
fictional stories with supernatural elements, but they're all hung
on a scaffolding of "real" geography (see any one of a number of
Joseph Campbell's books, where he talks about this). Sometimes
persons mentioned in the myths actually existed. Where one gets
into trouble is when one tries to read myth as *history*. It
isn't. It's usually impossible to tell which mythic characters are
historical and which are fictional, and while the geographical
locations of each myth might exist, that doesn't mean the
supernatural elements of the myth are factual. That's where
nutters like adman run off the rails.
If you think that adman is a nutter, you haven't come into contact
with "Agamemnon" who pops up from time to time in the history and
archaeology
newsgroups. In his fantasy world all the Greek gods literally
existed as
actual people 1000s of years ago.
Sounds like he took Joseph Campbell at his word. Campbell held that
mythological beings (like Hercules, for example, or King Arthur)
were characters built around real people, to whom great and
supernatural deads/qualities had come to be associated. I
seriously doubt there's any way to prove this conjecture wrong *or*
right.
The same could apply to the supposed jesus character.
He may have been a real person around whom the supposed supernatural
deeds/qualities were woven.
Yoshua was a very common name in those days.
Except that Agamemnon doesn't believe that Odysseus and others are a
core of truth surrounded by legendary and mythical accretions to the
point where we can no longer tell what the real Odysseus did, what
real things were falsely attributed to him and what storied were made
up out of whole cloth. He believes that Odysseus literally existed and
literally did everything mentioned in the Illiad and the Odyssey. Same
goes for Jason, Cadmus and all those other mythical ancient Greek
heroes. He also believes that Zeuse, Hera, and all thr Greek gods were
also literal Proto-Greek people who were deified after death and that
all other eastern Mediterranean and Ancient Near East religions are
based upon those people.
For a laugh, check out this this
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.religion.quaker/browse_frm/thread/63a91662c8127516/ba7986fd503b0c61?hl=en&lnk=st&q=Cory+Albrecht+Agamemnon+Cadmus#
between Agamemnon and myself in
sci.archaeology.
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you bozo
Greek mythology is based, i said BASED, on the stories from egypt, ancient
iraq and hebrew tradition. The former for entertainment, the latter 3 were
recorded as as history.
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Cory Albrecht
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adman wrote, On 18/08/08 11:04 PM:
| Quote: | SkyEyes wrote:
1. You keep asserting
no, i pretty much say you are wrong'
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And that would be asserting.
So are you ever going to back up your assertions with evidence? I'm
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