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On Aug 15, 7:20 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
| Quote: | Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:51 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:17 PM:
"Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:36 AM:
"bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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adman wrote:
"Stan-O" <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:36:34 -0500, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et
wrote:
OOOO...snap! I can't wait to see this Josh McDowell wannabe
wiggle out
of this one
Laugh!
Moses wrote down what others had seen k00ks. There WERE other
written down
traditions //before// the bible.
IOW, Moses was a plagiarist.
Moses was a great author that used all available information at
his disposal
Wrong; he was a charlatan and a liar, claiming to have
chatted with a god on a mountain top, simply to get " Ooohs"
and 'Aaahs" from his admiring crowd of followers.
Xtian charlatans have been hanging on to his coat tails ever
since
Prove me wrong
YOU made the claim. Prove Moses lied. Prove he did not talk to
God.
Or has the WORLD been wrong all this time while only Bob is
right?
How about you proving that Moses existed, first.
How do you know your
great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,
grandfather existed?
Because I wouldn't be here if my ancestors did not exist?
Are you claiming that you are descended from Moses? Because you
still haven't even shown any evidence that he existed.
Moses was real. If you had read the bible you would know that fact
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
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No, History is proof the Bible is real.
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Actually, history is evidence that the bible is mythology.
1. Where is independent verification that the dead rose from their
graves and walked around and were "seen by many" when Jesus died on
the cross? Where is it noted that there were earthquakes and darkness
at noon on that day? Funny that nobody noticed all those dead folks
walking around, and wrote about it to their Aunt Miriam or Cousin
Gaius. Dead people, walking around, and nobody noted it down. Odd,
that.
2. There's no evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt as slaves,
or in any capacity other than people taking refuge from the frequent
famines in Canaan (the "land of milk and honey, remember") or as
merchants. There's no evidence that they wandered around the Sinai
Desert for 40 years. Remember, you're talking ~2.5 million people
*plus* animals, if the biblical account is to be believed.
3. How come nobody noticed the Slaughter of the Innocents? All those
two-year-olds killed by Herod, and nobody even jots it down in the
census materials?
4. And speaking of census materials: there's no record of a world-
wide census in the time of Augustus, and at any rate, making everyone
go to his/her home town to be counted would have brought the Roman
Empire to a screeching halt.
5. Current work in archaeology has revealed that the Hebrews did
*not* come to Canaan from Ur [modern Iraq], but in fact were
Canaanites themselves, who gradually developed into a distinct group.
They lived in the highlands of Canaan (what is now the Golan Heights)
and gradually became a separate people from the Canaanites who lived
down on the plain. See _The Bible Unearthed_, by Israel Finkelstein
and Neil Silberman, of Tel Aviv University.
6. And do I *really* need to mention the fact that there has never
been a global flood?
The bible is *not* history. The bible is *myth*. Myth is not a bad
thing; the word is not synonymous with "lie." But if you're trying to
read your myths as literal history, then you are missing the point
entirely, and shortchanging yourself.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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On Aug 15, 7:40 pm, Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:20 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:51 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:17 PM:
"Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:36 AM:
"bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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adman wrote:
"Stan-O" <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:36:34 -0500, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et
wrote:
OOOO...snap! I can't wait to see this Josh McDowell wannabe
wiggle out
of this one
Laugh!
Moses wrote down what others had seen k00ks. There WERE other
written down
traditions //before// the bible.
IOW, Moses was a plagiarist.
Moses was a great author that used all available information at
his disposal
Wrong; he was a charlatan and a liar, claiming to have
chatted with a god on a mountain top, simply to get " Ooohs"
and 'Aaahs" from his admiring crowd of followers.
Xtian charlatans have been hanging on to his coat tails ever
since
Prove me wrong
YOU made the claim. Prove Moses lied. Prove he did not talk to
God.
Or has the WORLD been wrong all this time while only Bob is
right?
How about you proving that Moses existed, first.
How do you know your
great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,
grandfather existed?
Because I wouldn't be here if my ancestors did not exist?
Are you claiming that you are descended from Moses? Because you
still haven't even shown any evidence that he existed.
Moses was real. If you had read the bible you would know that fact
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
'
No, History is proof the Bible is real.
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or Nehemiah?
Joshua?
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Oddly enough, King David was a real person, according to
archaeologists Israel Finkelstein (Tel Aviv University) and Neil
Silberman. His name has been found on a stela written in (IIRC) the
language of the ancient Moabites.
But that's to be expected: all myths, from every culture, are
fictional stories with supernatural elements, but they're all hung on
a scaffolding of "real" geography (see any one of a number of Joseph
Campbell's books, where he talks about this). Sometimes persons
mentioned in the myths actually existed. Where one gets into trouble
is when one tries to read myth as *history*. It isn't. It's usually
impossible to tell which mythic characters are historical and which
are fictional, and while the geographical locations of each myth might
exist, that doesn't mean the supernatural elements of the myth are
factual. That's where nutters like adman run off the rails.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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SkyEyes
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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On Aug 16, 4:19 am, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
| Quote: | Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:20 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:51 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:17 PM:
"Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:36 AM:
"bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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adman wrote:
"Stan-O" <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:36:34 -0500, "adman"
g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
OOOO...snap! I can't wait to see this Josh McDowell
wannabe wiggle out
of this one
Laugh!
Moses wrote down what others had seen k00ks. There WERE
other written down
traditions //before// the bible.
IOW, Moses was a plagiarist.
Moses was a great author that used all available information
at his disposal
Wrong; he was a charlatan and a liar, claiming to have
chatted with a god on a mountain top, simply to get " Ooohs"
and 'Aaahs" from his admiring crowd of followers.
Xtian charlatans have been hanging on to his coat tails ever
since
Prove me wrong
YOU made the claim. Prove Moses lied. Prove he did not talk to
God.
Or has the WORLD been wrong all this time while only Bob is
right?
How about you proving that Moses existed, first.
How do you know your
great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,
grandfather existed?
Because I wouldn't be here if my ancestors did not exist?
Are you claiming that you are descended from Moses? Because you
still haven't even shown any evidence that he existed.
Moses was real. If you had read the bible you would know that fact
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
'
No, History is proof the Bible is real.
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or Nehemiah?
Joshua?
Do you actually think everything written by and written about the people you
mention is a LIE?
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No, I think it's *myth*. Myths are fictional stores with supernatural
elements meant to impart a psychological truth (and please note that
"truth" is *not* the same thing as "fact"). Myths are *always* set in
real places, the places where the people live to whom the myth is
addressed. Once in a while, like with King David, myths can
incorporate people who actually lived. However, that does not mean
that the supernatural elements of the myth are *fact*. They're not.
The supernatural elements in myths are there to impart a psychological
truth to the people for whom the myth was written - and that means for
the people who come from the geographic region in which the myth was
set. Read some books by the late, great Joseph Campbell: he spent his
life studying the nature, formation, and meaning of myths. He went so
far as to learn to speak and read ancient Sanskrit, so that he could
get at the essential meaning of Hindu mythology.
When you take your biblical myths to be literal history, you are not
only being shockingly stupid, but you are shortchanging yourself. You
are missing the *real* point of the myth.
Yes, all of it. It's *myth*. It was *written* as myth. It's meant to
be *understood* as myth. Suck it up and deal.
There goes *another* irony meter. Sheesh.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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elephant. Each elephant stands on the back of a turtle.
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Heretic!
The world is a disc!
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SkyEyes
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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On Aug 16, 11:42 am, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
| Quote: | Dragonblaze wrote:
On 16 Aug, 12:19, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
[snip]
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
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No, History is proof the Bible is real.
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or
Nehemiah? Joshua?
Do you actually think everything written by and written about the
people you mention is a LIE?
ALL OF IT?
Not all of it is untrue, and I doubt it is a deliberate lie, though
spin was certainly known in ancient times as well.
Anything mankind touches will be elaborated, embellished or spun.
But the stories are still grounded in truth or they would not have bothered
to tell the stories and latter write them down
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Why? All peoples tell stories. Cultures that have writing write them
down. Why would the ancient Hebrews have written down their myths?
The Egyptians wrote down *their* myths - does that mean they're
factually true? The Assyrians wrote down *their* myths - does that
mean they're factually true?
See how silly your assertion is?
| Quote: | The tales the Bible tells on the origin of the world, the Hebrews etc
were in oral form long before they were written down. If you've ever
played Chinese Whispers you know how much information can distort in
oral transmission, even when that is not intended.
I have said the exact same thing on many occasions. Yet many on this NG
insist the bible and other documents older then the bible are catagorically
wrong and with no truth what-so-ever to them.
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Please learn to distinguish between "truth" and "fact." *All* myths
contain "truth," they are stories meant to resonate psychologically
with the people for whom they are written. The bible contains
*truth.* What the bible *doesn't* contain a lot of is *fact.*
There's a little - there really was a King David (although modern
archaeology has shown that what he ruled was little more than a
village and some goat pasture), there really was a King Josiah (he was
the "Emmanuel" of the Isaiah prophecies), and there really was a
Pontius Pilate - we know that from Roman records. However, there is a
large amount in the bible that is just plain *wrong* - there was no
world-wide flood, for one thing, and the Israelites were never
enslaved by the Egyptians, for another - and a lot that, if it
happened, would have been noticed and commented upon by non-biblical
authors (like the dead coming out of their graves when Jesus died on
the cross). So, obviously, the supernatural elements of the stories
cannot be read as fact.
| Quote: | Sometimes you can glimpse some statements in the Bible that are
actually corroborated by external sources - and I require that
validation before trusting either the Bible or any other writing
either - and can be counted as based on fact.
That is because you hold the writings to a higher standard of corroboration.
Which means there may be information that is true, but because it does not
meet your standard of corroboration you ignore it.
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There's that "truth" versus "fact" thing again, addy. You simply must
learn to make that distinction.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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adman wrote:
| Quote: | Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:15:50 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
GordHnotGordB wrote:
adman wrote:
CLUE: For people to have written about God, some of them must have
been face to face with Him at one time in Earths history.
Really?
Okay then: For people to have written about James T. Kirk, some of
them must have been face to face with him at one time in Earth's
history.
You happy with that?
You absolute fucking moron.
G.
You obviously have a hard time distinguishing between reality (God)
and fantasy (kirk)
Show us the evidence that God exists. Show us that God is real.
Where did all the matter come from? It just *poofed* itself into existance?
ALL BY ITSELF ?
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Where did God come from? He just *poofed* himself into existence? All
by himself?
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adman
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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Free Lunch wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:15:50 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
GordHnotGordB wrote:
adman wrote:
CLUE: For people to have written about God, some of them must have
been face to face with Him at one time in Earths history.
Really?
Okay then: For people to have written about James T. Kirk, some of
them must have been face to face with him at one time in Earth's
history.
You happy with that?
You absolute fucking moron.
G.
You obviously have a hard time distinguishing between reality (God)
and fantasy (kirk)
Show us the evidence that God exists. Show us that God is real.
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Where did all the matter come from? It just *poofed* itself into existance?
ALL BY ITSELF ? |
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.religion.kibology.]
On 2008-08-15, Kope <kope22222@yahoo.com> wrote:
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What does God want from us?
$20, SAIT. |
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adman
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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Dragonblaze wrote:
| Quote: | On 16 Aug, 12:19, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
[snip]
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
'
No, History is proof the Bible is real.
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or
Nehemiah? Joshua?
Do you actually think everything written by and written about the
people you mention is a LIE?
ALL OF IT?
Not all of it is untrue, and I doubt it is a deliberate lie, though
spin was certainly known in ancient times as well.
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Anything mankind touches will be elaborated, embellished or spun.
But the stories are still grounded in truth or they would not have bothered
to tell the stories and latter write them down
| Quote: | The tales the Bible tells on the origin of the world, the Hebrews etc
were in oral form long before they were written down. If you've ever
played Chinese Whispers you know how much information can distort in
oral transmission, even when that is not intended.
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I have said the exact same thing on many occasions. Yet many on this NG
insist the bible and other documents older then the bible are catagorically
wrong and with no truth what-so-ever to them.
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Sometimes you can glimpse some statements in the Bible that are
actually corroborated by external sources - and I require that
validation before trusting either the Bible or any other writing
either - and can be counted as based on fact.
That is because you hold the writings to a higher standard of corroboration. |
Which means there may be information that is true, but because it does not
meet your standard of corroboration you ignore it. IMO,You loose the trail
of historical facts that way. Not everything by a primative people with
primative record keeping can *or should* be corroborated by external
sources. Some things just need to be taken at face value. For this reason it
is *correlation and simularties* between stories that should be considered
first and *THEN* corroboration to get an accurate picture of the events
recorded. Why? Because as you just said, these stories have changed via oral
transmission, mistakes in copying texts, etc etc etc. By corelating
different thoughts between stories you validate the story happened. What is
not validated are specifics details due to the Chinese Whispers and errors
in record keeping.
| Quote: | I once spent quite a long time trying to persuade M*** G*** that there
was Israel even before 2nd cen BCE - and dug up several mentions in
ancient texts. Consequently the oldest person mentioned in the Bible
we have an attestation of would be Omri, as he is mentioned in
Assyrian sources.
Archaeology also disproves some of the Biblical claims. For one
example, the Book of Joshua has the Israelites gleefully conquering
cities that were not even built when the book is set to happen (I
don't have my reference work here, but I will post the exact data
later).
As a historical source the Bible must be treated just as any other
ancient writing. I don't credit everything the Assyrian or Egyptian
royal inscriptions say as factual - they exaggerate a lot - but
comparing the information given in them to other sources and
archaeology we can usually figure out what really happened.
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I agree.
So why do you hold corroborated by external sources first and formost when
validating?
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:09:34 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
| Quote: | Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:15:50 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
GordHnotGordB wrote:
adman wrote:
CLUE: For people to have written about God, some of them must have
been face to face with Him at one time in Earths history.
Really?
Okay then: For people to have written about James T. Kirk, some of
them must have been face to face with him at one time in Earth's
history.
You happy with that?
You absolute fucking moron.
G.
You obviously have a hard time distinguishing between reality (God)
and fantasy (kirk)
Show us the evidence that God exists. Show us that God is real.
Where did all the matter come from? It just *poofed* itself into existance?
ALL BY ITSELF ?
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Mike Painter
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adman wrote:
| Quote: | Dragonblaze wrote:
On 16 Aug, 12:19, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
[snip]
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
'
No, History is proof the Bible is real.
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or
Nehemiah? Joshua?
Do you actually think everything written by and written about the
people you mention is a LIE?
ALL OF IT?
Not all of it is untrue, and I doubt it is a deliberate lie, though
spin was certainly known in ancient times as well.
Anything mankind touches will be elaborated, embellished or spun.
But the stories are still grounded in truth or they would not have
bothered to tell the stories and latter write them down
The tales the Bible tells on the origin of the world, the Hebrews etc
were in oral form long before they were written down. If you've ever
played Chinese Whispers you know how much information can distort in
oral transmission, even when that is not intended.
I have said the exact same thing on many occasions. Yet many on this
NG insist the bible and other documents older then the bible are
catagorically wrong and with no truth what-so-ever to them.
Sometimes you can glimpse some statements in the Bible that are
actually corroborated by external sources - and I require that
validation before trusting either the Bible or any other writing
either - and can be counted as based on fact.
That is because you hold the writings to a higher standard of
corroboration. Which means there may be information that is true, but
because it does not meet your standard of corroboration you ignore
it. IMO,You loose the trail of historical facts that way. Not
everything by a primative people with primative record keeping can
*or should* be corroborated by external sources. Some things just
need to be taken at face value. For this reason it is *correlation
and simularties* between stories that should be considered first and
*THEN* corroboration to get an accurate picture of the events
recorded. Why? Because as you just said, these stories have changed
via oral transmission, mistakes in copying texts, etc etc etc. By
corelating different thoughts between stories you validate the story
happened. What is not validated are specifics details due to the
Chinese Whispers and errors in record keeping.
I once spent quite a long time trying to persuade M*** G*** that
there was Israel even before 2nd cen BCE - and dug up several
mentions in ancient texts. Consequently the oldest person mentioned
in the Bible we have an attestation of would be Omri, as he is
mentioned in Assyrian sources.
Archaeology also disproves some of the Biblical claims. For one
example, the Book of Joshua has the Israelites gleefully conquering
cities that were not even built when the book is set to happen (I
don't have my reference work here, but I will post the exact data
later).
As a historical source the Bible must be treated just as any other
ancient writing. I don't credit everything the Assyrian or Egyptian
royal inscriptions say as factual - they exaggerate a lot - but
comparing the information given in them to other sources and
archaeology we can usually figure out what really happened.
I agree.
So why do you hold corroborated by external sources first and formost
when validating?
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History and literature are filled with fictional accounts that people did
indeed write down.
The last few years has seen evidence that the bible has almost nothing true
in it.
Harper's Magazine, March 2002
False Testament: Archaeology Refutes the Bible's Claim to History
by Daniel Lazare
is worth reading.
" In the last quarter century or so, archaeologists have seen one settled
assumption after another concerning who the ancient Israelites were and
where they came from proved false. Rather than a band of invaders who fought
their way into the Holy Land, the Israelites are now thought to have been an
'indigenous culture that developed west of the Jordan River around 1200 B.C.
Abraham, Isaac, and the other patriarchs appear to have been spliced
together out of various pieces of local lore. The Davidic Empire, which
archaeologists once thought as incontrovertible as the Roman, is now seen as
an invention of Jerusalem-based priests in the seventh and eighth centuries
B.C. who were eager to burnish their national history. The religion we call
Judaism does not reach well back into the second millennium B.C. but appears
to be, at most, a product of the mid-first.
This is not to say that individual elements of the story are not older. But
Jewish monotheism, the sole and exclusive worship of an ancient Semitic god
known as Yahweh, did not fully coalesce until the period between the
Assyrian conquest of the northern Jewish kingdom of Israel in 722 B.C. and
the Babylonian conquest of the southern kingdom of Judah in 586."
Thy probably did come up with monotheism on their own, but the rest is
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Tim McGaughy
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adman wrote:
| Quote: | GordHnotGordB wrote:
adman wrote:
CLUE: For people to have written about God, some of them must have
been face to face with Him at one time in Earths history.
Really?
Okay then: For people to have written about James T. Kirk, some of
them must have been face to face with him at one time in Earth's
history.
You happy with that?
You absolute fucking moron.
G.
You obviously have a hard time distinguishing between reality (God) and
fantasy (kirk)
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I nominate this for ironic comment of the century. |
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:46 am Post subject: Re: ^^^ FALSE PROPHETS TODAY - WHO ARE THEY ? ^^^ |
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| YOU! |
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: Re: # SEXUAL LIFE IN THE PARADISE ? # |
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"SwordoZ" <markii@enter.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote in message
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OBVES@aol.com> wrote in message
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This is another perfect example that we must live in the times of the
end of the world coming soon-Daniel 12.4,9.
For many ages past almost nobody knew that all saved christians will
enjoy sexual intimacy in marriage in the Paradise.
Now comes ANOTHER pervert, applying the profane to the sacred.
Nevermind what Jesus said, right?
SoZ
No, but one should be ever mindful of the malady of mis-interpreted
reasoning which is a common affliction of the many who attempt to
interpret the recorded spoken words of JC.
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There's no "interpretation" to it--the PROFANITY of HUMAN SEXUALITY will NOT
EXIST IN HEAVEN.
| Quote: | Mt 22:30 For in the resurrection
SoZ
Do you have any prophetic insight concerning the process by which the
resurrection will occur? If you do, I would be interested in reading
such.
they neither marry, nor are given in
marriage,
but are as the angels of God in heaven.
SoZ
Does the basis of your prophetic insight, as touching the resurrection,
believe that the "resurrected" will revert back to an idyllic angelic
state of being?
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One cannot REVERT to something THEY'VE NEVER BEEN, dumkopf.
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adman
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:00 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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Free Lunch wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:09:34 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:15:50 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote
in alt.talk.creationism:
GordHnotGordB wrote:
adman wrote:
CLUE: For people to have written about God, some of them must
have been face to face with Him at one time in Earths history.
Really?
Okay then: For people to have written about James T. Kirk, some of
them must have been face to face with him at one time in Earth's
history.
You happy with that?
You absolute fucking moron.
G.
You obviously have a hard time distinguishing between reality (God)
and fantasy (kirk)
Show us the evidence that God exists. Show us that God is real.
Where did all the matter come from? It just *poofed* itself into
existance? ALL BY ITSELF ?
There is the possibility that the net energy of the universe is zero.
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Yey Another new theory? Science is becoming like religion. Religion has a
thousand flavors and science has a thousand ideas on how everything got
here.
Despite this similarity between religion and science,, i'll bite.
Can you explain "the possibility that the net energy of the universe is
zero" and how this relates to my question of how did all this matter got
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