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adman wrote:
| Quote: | Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:09:34 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:15:50 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote
in alt.talk.creationism:
GordHnotGordB wrote:
adman wrote:
CLUE: For people to have written about God, some of them must
have been face to face with Him at one time in Earths history.
Really?
Okay then: For people to have written about James T. Kirk, some of
them must have been face to face with him at one time in Earth's
history.
You happy with that?
You absolute fucking moron.
G.
You obviously have a hard time distinguishing between reality (God)
and fantasy (kirk)
Show us the evidence that God exists. Show us that God is real.
Where did all the matter come from? It just *poofed* itself into
existance? ALL BY ITSELF ?
There is the possibility that the net energy of the universe is zero.
Yey Another new theory?
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Sounds to me that you don't know anything about science.
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adman
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:43 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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SkyEyes wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 16, 11:42 am, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
Dragonblaze wrote:
On 16 Aug, 12:19, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
[snip]
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
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No, History is proof the Bible is real.
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or
Nehemiah? Joshua?
Do you actually think everything written by and written about the
people you mention is a LIE?
ALL OF IT?
Not all of it is untrue, and I doubt it is a deliberate lie, though
spin was certainly known in ancient times as well.
Anything mankind touches will be elaborated, embellished or spun.
But the stories are still grounded in truth or they would not have
bothered to tell the stories and latter write them down
Why? All peoples tell stories. Cultures that have writing write them
down. Why would the ancient Hebrews have written down their myths?
The Egyptians wrote down *their* myths - does that mean they're
factually true? The Assyrians wrote down *their* myths - does that
mean they're factually true?
See how silly your assertion is?
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Nonsence. Or do you believe ALL that information was told word of mouth,
latter written down on stone tablets once writing was invented and then
saved JUST to amuse and lie to you?
the stories are grounded in truth or they would not have bothered to tell
the stories and latter write them down
it is really THAT simple
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The tales the Bible tells on the origin of the world, the Hebrews
etc were in oral form long before they were written down. If you've
ever played Chinese Whispers you know how much information can
distort in oral transmission, even when that is not intended.
I have said the exact same thing on many occasions. Yet many on this
NG insist the bible and other documents older then the bible are
catagorically wrong and with no truth what-so-ever to them.
Please learn to distinguish between "truth" and "fact." *All* myths
contain "truth," they are stories meant to resonate psychologically
with the people for whom they are written. The bible contains
*truth.* What the bible *doesn't* contain a lot of is *fact.*
There's a little - there really was a King David (although modern
archaeology has shown that what he ruled was little more than a
village and some goat pasture), there really was a King Josiah (he was
the "Emmanuel" of the Isaiah prophecies), and there really was a
Pontius Pilate - we know that from Roman records. However, there is a
large amount in the bible that is just plain *wrong* - there was no
world-wide flood, for one thing, and the Israelites were never
enslaved by the Egyptians, for another - and a lot that, if it
happened, would have been noticed and commented upon by non-biblical
authors (like the dead coming out of their graves when Jesus died on
the cross). So, obviously, the supernatural elements of the stories
cannot be read as fact.
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Did you actually read what you wrote? It seems the only parts that Are true
to you are the parts you want to accept.
Truth does not work that way. Sorry SE
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Sometimes you can glimpse some statements in the Bible that are
actually corroborated by external sources - and I require that
validation before trusting either the Bible or any other writing
either - and can be counted as based on fact.
That is because you hold the writings to a higher standard of
corroboration. Which means there may be information that is true,
but because it does not meet your standard of corroboration you
ignore it.
There's that "truth" versus "fact" thing again, addy. You simply must
learn to make that distinction.
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I have no problem with facts SE. I would like to have more *facts* such as
the record of Pilate for instance. But the truth is not always so readily
observable or provable. Sometimes the real truth hides under a layer of what
you think is truth. You cannot believe part of a story when you have many
versions of the same story saying almost the same thing. Likewise, you
cannot cherry pick just want you choose to believe just because it does not
meet a ridgid criteria for proof. Because something may be true even though
it may not meet that criteria. I am sure that is why the phrase "Truth is
Stranger then Fiction" was coined. There are enough facts recorded in the
bible to make it believable, even though the information presented may be
embellished, or somewhat spun and borrowed, etc.
As far as a world wide flood, --there was an ice age. That ice melted. This
would result in a coastal flooding all over the earth and NOT just in one
place at different times. Most of the population was in the coastal areas
that long ago. Is the story of the flood embellished in the bible? Probably.
Did it happen, resulting in alot of death. Probably. There are other
recorded stories that are similar. Your choices are simple. You can believe
there is something to the stories, or you can believe 125 flood stories were
written down to lie to you and to amuse you all these years latter.
As far as the Hebrews not being in Egypt; it is a well known fact that the
Egyptians had a habit of removing and destroying information. To the point
of having the facades of buildings torn down just to remove any record of
someone existing.
conclusion:
The flood happened. Get over it.
The bible has more truth then fiction. Get over it.
The hebrews were in egypt, Get over it
You can not pick and choose what is or is not truth. Get over it.
Gee, you have alot to get over! need a ladder? <G> |
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adman
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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SkyEyes wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 16, 4:19 am, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:20 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:51 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:17 PM:
"Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:36 AM:
"bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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adman wrote:
"Stan-O" <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:36:34 -0500, "adman"
g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
OOOO...snap! I can't wait to see this Josh McDowell
wannabe wiggle out
of this one
Laugh!
Moses wrote down what others had seen k00ks. There WERE
other written down
traditions //before// the bible.
IOW, Moses was a plagiarist.
Moses was a great author that used all available
information at his disposal
Wrong; he was a charlatan and a liar, claiming to have
chatted with a god on a mountain top, simply to get " Ooohs"
and 'Aaahs" from his admiring crowd of followers.
Xtian charlatans have been hanging on to his coat tails ever
since
Prove me wrong
YOU made the claim. Prove Moses lied. Prove he did not talk
to God.
Or has the WORLD been wrong all this time while only Bob is
right?
How about you proving that Moses existed, first.
How do you know your
great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,
grandfather existed?
Because I wouldn't be here if my ancestors did not exist?
Are you claiming that you are descended from Moses? Because you
still haven't even shown any evidence that he existed.
Moses was real. If you had read the bible you would know that
fact
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
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No, History is proof the Bible is real.
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or
Nehemiah? Joshua?
Do you actually think everything written by and written about the
people you mention is a LIE?
No, I think it's *myth*. Myths are fictional stores with supernatural
elements meant to impart a psychological truth (and please note that
"truth" is *not* the same thing as "fact"). Myths are *always* set in
real places, the places where the people live to whom the myth is
addressed. Once in a while, like with King David, myths can
incorporate people who actually lived. However, that does not mean
that the supernatural elements of the myth are *fact*. They're not.
The supernatural elements in myths are there to impart a psychological
truth to the people for whom the myth was written - and that means for
the people who come from the geographic region in which the myth was
set. Read some books by the late, great Joseph Campbell: he spent his
life studying the nature, formation, and meaning of myths. He went so
far as to learn to speak and read ancient Sanskrit, so that he could
get at the essential meaning of Hindu mythology.
When you take your biblical myths to be literal history, you are not
only being shockingly stupid, but you are shortchanging yourself. You
are missing the *real* point of the myth.
ALL OF IT?
Yes, all of it. It's *myth*. It was *written* as myth. It's meant to
be *understood* as myth. Suck it up and deal.
Get Real.
There goes *another* irony meter. Sheesh.
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I do not think you understand the difference between things like *The Greek
Mythology* stories and what was recorded and intended as *information* and
History. Read the bible. It is a synopsis of *Other* longer stories in the
beginning, and then goes into record of events and genealogy. A sorta
history book about one family and their travels through history. The bible
is obviously not written as myth but as a record of events for this one race
of people. Which is totally different then mythology stories.
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adman
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:38 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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SkyEyes wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 15, 7:20 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:51 PM:
Cory Albrecht wrote:
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 05:17 PM:
"Cory Albrecht" <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7dsgn5xfoh.ln2@xanadu.fenris.cjb.net...
adman wrote, On 15/08/08 10:36 AM:
"bob young" <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:48A50A25.D6B48D36@netvigator.com...
adman wrote:
"Stan-O" <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:36:34 -0500, "adman"
g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
OOOO...snap! I can't wait to see this Josh McDowell
wannabe wiggle out
of this one
Laugh!
Moses wrote down what others had seen k00ks. There WERE
other written down
traditions //before// the bible.
IOW, Moses was a plagiarist.
Moses was a great author that used all available information
at his disposal
Wrong; he was a charlatan and a liar, claiming to have
chatted with a god on a mountain top, simply to get " Ooohs"
and 'Aaahs" from his admiring crowd of followers.
Xtian charlatans have been hanging on to his coat tails ever
since
Prove me wrong
YOU made the claim. Prove Moses lied. Prove he did not talk to
God.
Or has the WORLD been wrong all this time while only Bob is
right?
How about you proving that Moses existed, first.
How do you know your
great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great,
grandfather existed?
Because I wouldn't be here if my ancestors did not exist?
Are you claiming that you are descended from Moses? Because you
still haven't even shown any evidence that he existed.
Moses was real. If you had read the bible you would know that fact
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
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No, History is proof the Bible is real.
Actually, history is evidence that the bible is mythology.
1. Where is independent verification that the dead rose from their
graves and walked around and were "seen by many" when Jesus died on
the cross? Where is it noted that there were earthquakes and darkness
at noon on that day? Funny that nobody noticed all those dead folks
walking around, and wrote about it to their Aunt Miriam or Cousin
Gaius. Dead people, walking around, and nobody noted it down. Odd,
that.
2. There's no evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt as slaves,
or in any capacity other than people taking refuge from the frequent
famines in Canaan (the "land of milk and honey, remember") or as
merchants. There's no evidence that they wandered around the Sinai
Desert for 40 years. Remember, you're talking ~2.5 million people
*plus* animals, if the biblical account is to be believed.
3. How come nobody noticed the Slaughter of the Innocents? All those
two-year-olds killed by Herod, and nobody even jots it down in the
census materials?
4. And speaking of census materials: there's no record of a world-
wide census in the time of Augustus, and at any rate, making everyone
go to his/her home town to be counted would have brought the Roman
Empire to a screeching halt.
5. Current work in archaeology has revealed that the Hebrews did
*not* come to Canaan from Ur [modern Iraq], but in fact were
Canaanites themselves, who gradually developed into a distinct group.
They lived in the highlands of Canaan (what is now the Golan Heights)
and gradually became a separate people from the Canaanites who lived
down on the plain. See _The Bible Unearthed_, by Israel Finkelstein
and Neil Silberman, of Tel Aviv University.
6. And do I *really* need to mention the fact that there has never
been a global flood?
The bible is *not* history. The bible is *myth*. Myth is not a bad
thing; the word is not synonymous with "lie." But if you're trying to
read your myths as literal history, then you are missing the point
entirely, and shortchanging yourself.
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These statements you make, 1-6 have been addressed before.
Sadly, it is You that has it backwards. And i am sorry to be the one that
has to break that news to you.
If you think these (what you call) "myths" are *not* grounded in actual
historical events and truth, then you are missing *much* needed information
in this very short life, and are shortchanging yourself. There is a
difference between mythology and what has been recorded by people that lived
before us and wanted to leave us a record of what they saw and did. Despite
the fact that what they recorded may *seem* as if it is myth to you, much of
it is grounded in truth none-the-less.
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Syd M.
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On Aug 16, 2:09 pm, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
| Quote: | Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:15:50 -0500, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
GordHnotGordB wrote:
adman wrote:
CLUE: For people to have written about God, some of them must have
been face to face with Him at one time in Earths history.
Really?
Okay then: For people to have written about James T. Kirk, some of
them must have been face to face with him at one time in Earth's
history.
You happy with that?
You absolute fucking moron.
G.
You obviously have a hard time distinguishing between reality (God)
and fantasy (kirk)
Show us the evidence that God exists. Show us that God is real.
Where did all the matter come from? It just *poofed* itself into existance?
ALL BY ITSELF ?
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What the fuck is it to YOU, Assman?
It's been explained to you too many times.
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Kope <kope22222@yahoo.com> wrote:
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fr> LOL! Felato every day, right? Right?
AnoNotAmused <doxdropper@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Can haz divide by zero nao?
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With chocolate marble caek, yep!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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| Quote: | Dragonblaze wrote:
On 16 Aug, 12:19, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
[snip]
Ah. So the Bible is proof the the Bible is true?
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No, History is proof the Bible is real.
OK. Show show me historical evidence that Moses and the Patriarchs
existed. Or Kinds Saul, David or Solomon. How about Ezra or
Nehemiah? Joshua?
Do you actually think everything written by and written about the
people you mention is a LIE?
ALL OF IT?
Not all of it is untrue, and I doubt it is a deliberate lie, though
spin was certainly known in ancient times as well.
Anything mankind touches will be elaborated, embellished or spun.
But the stories are still grounded in truth or they would not have
bothered to tell the stories and latter write them down
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So Harry Potter stories are grounded in truth? He really *is* able to fly on
a broomstick?
The "Lord of the Rings" books are grounded in truth? Hobbits are real?
The Wizard of Oz story is grounded in truth? The yellow brick road leads to
the Wizard's castle?
The Superman story is grounded in truth? He *is* really faster than a
speeding bullet?
If not, why did the authors 'bother' to write them down?
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The tales the Bible tells on the origin of the world, the Hebrews etc
were in oral form long before they were written down. If you've ever
played Chinese Whispers you know how much information can distort in
oral transmission, even when that is not intended.
I have said the exact same thing on many occasions. Yet many on this NG
insist the bible and other documents older then the bible are
catagorically wrong and with no truth what-so-ever to them.
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So the bible isn't the 'inerrant word' of any god.
If there are so many errors, why should we believe *any* of it?
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Sometimes you can glimpse some statements in the Bible that are
actually corroborated by external sources - and I require that
validation before trusting either the Bible or any other writing
either - and can be counted as based on fact.
That is because you hold the writings to a higher standard of
corroboration. Which means there may be information that is true, but
because it does not meet your standard of corroboration you ignore it.
IMO,You loose the trail of historical facts that way. Not everything by a
primative people with primative record keeping can *or should* be
corroborated by external sources. Some things just need to be taken at
face value.
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Why? To fit in with your beliefs?
| Quote: | For this reason it is *correlation and simularties* between stories that
should be considered first and *THEN* corroboration to get an accurate
picture of the events recorded.
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So the correlation and similarities between stories of other, earlier, gods
that were born to a virgin and/or came back to life after a violent death
show them to be equally as true as your bible stories. Why do you chose
Christianity over these other beliefs?
| Quote: | Why? Because as you just said, these stories have changed via oral
transmission, mistakes in copying texts, etc etc etc. By corelating
different thoughts between stories you validate the story happened.
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Nope.
Do stories about the New Orleans flood a couple of years ago validate the
supposed Noahic flood story?
Until you can provide evidence that your flood stories are about one and the
same flood and that this flood happened at the same time as the supposed
Noahic flood, they will be treated as being as much evidence (none) as
stories about the New Orleans flood, however much you believe them to be
evidence.
| Quote: | What is not validated are specifics details due to the Chinese Whispers
and errors in record keeping.
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So the records are wrong...the New Orleans flood occurred 4 millenia ago and
not a couple of years ago?
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I once spent quite a long time trying to persuade M*** G*** that there
was Israel even before 2nd cen BCE - and dug up several mentions in
ancient texts. Consequently the oldest person mentioned in the Bible
we have an attestation of would be Omri, as he is mentioned in
Assyrian sources.
Archaeology also disproves some of the Biblical claims. For one
example, the Book of Joshua has the Israelites gleefully conquering
cities that were not even built when the book is set to happen (I
don't have my reference work here, but I will post the exact data
later).
As a historical source the Bible must be treated just as any other
ancient writing. I don't credit everything the Assyrian or Egyptian
royal inscriptions say as factual - they exaggerate a lot - but
comparing the information given in them to other sources and
archaeology we can usually figure out what really happened.
I agree.
So why do you hold corroborated by external sources first and formost when
validating?
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Because that is the ONLY way to corroborate the stories.
Any other way is just supposition, belief and wishful thinking.
Smiler,
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Smiler
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"GordHnotGordB" <GordH@tht.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:36:34 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote:
Moses wrote down what others had seen k00ks. There WERE other written
down
traditions //before// the bible.
Others?? So *who was it* who saw the start of Genesis actually happen...??
Who saw the formless void? Who heard this deity saying 'Let there be
light'?? Who witnessed the creation of Adam and Eve???
And how did they then get the information written down??
G.
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I want to know how this 'real' Moses managed to write down the story of his
own death and burial.
Smiler,
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Dragonblaze
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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On 16 Aug, 19:42, "adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:
[snip]
| Quote: | Not all of it is untrue, and I doubt it is a deliberate lie, though
spin was certainly known in ancient times as well.
Anything mankind touches will be elaborated, embellished or spun.
But the stories are still grounded in truth or they would not have bothered
to tell the stories and latter write them down
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Some of it can be speculation, as can be seen in the various stories
explaining the origins of things or why things happen. For example,
when people experienced a thunderstorm, they had no way of
investigating it scientifically, lacking the necessary tools, so they
took the most logical path and explained it by using a god of thunder.
It does not mean they were lying, as they sincerely believed in it,
but it does not make it true either.
| Quote: | The tales the Bible tells on the origin of the world, the Hebrews etc
were in oral form long before they were written down. If you've ever
played Chinese Whispers you know how much information can distort in
oral transmission, even when that is not intended.
I have said the exact same thing on many occasions. Yet many on this NG
insist the bible and other documents older then the bible are catagorically
wrong and with no truth what-so-ever to them.
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When evaluating ancient writings the rule of thumb is to pay less
attention the explicit and concentrate on the implicit. For example,
an Egyptian royal inscription says there was a huge battle and the
Egyptians won (they always do in those texts). Now an Assyrian
inscription says there was the same huge battle and the Assyrians won
(they always also win in these texts).
What can we do to solve this problem? Ok, from the both texts we can
confidently infer that there was that huge battle between the
Egyptians and the Assyrians as this is corroborated from 2 independent
sources. When judging who won, we usually resort to little clues in
the texts themselves, or follow what happens after. If in the Egyptian
texts, which always describe the loot, it says something like, 'the
pharaoh took from the enemy 2 bows and one chariot' (there is an
actual example somewhat like that), we can say the Egyptians took a
beating. If there is no clear clue like that, we look at what happened
later. If the Assyrian texts later describe Assyrians ruling the area
the battle was fougth over, then the Assyrians won.
| Quote: | Sometimes you can glimpse some statements in the Bible that are
actually corroborated by external sources - and I require that
validation before trusting either the Bible or any other writing
either - and can be counted as based on fact.
That is because you hold the writings to a higher standard of corroboration.
Which means there may be information that is true, but because it does not
meet your standard of corroboration you ignore it. IMO,You loose the trail
of historical facts that way. Not everything by a primative people with
primative record keeping can *or should* be corroborated by external
sources.
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I do not ignore archaeological evidence either. But where both are
lacking, or there are no follow-ups from texts or archaelogy that
would back the claim up, then I tend to - not ignore, but set aside,
unless at some later stage such validation becomes available.
| Quote: | Some things just need to be taken at face value. For this reason it
is *correlation and simularties* between stories that should be considered
first and *THEN* corroboration to get an accurate picture of the events
recorded. Why? Because as you just said, these stories have changed via oral
transmission, mistakes in copying texts, etc etc etc. By corelating
different thoughts between stories you validate the story happened. What is
not validated are specifics details due to the Chinese Whispers and errors
in record keeping.
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See my implicit and explicit explanation above. Which is also why I do
not take things at face value.
[snip]
| Quote: | As a historical source the Bible must be treated just as any other
ancient writing. I don't credit everything the Assyrian or Egyptian
royal inscriptions say as factual - they exaggerate a lot - but
comparing the information given in them to other sources and
archaeology we can usually figure out what really happened.
I agree.
So why do you hold corroborated by external sources first and formost when
validating?
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On the principle that if 2 or more _independent_ sources speak of the
same instance, it is likely that there was such an instance.
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DanielSan wrote:
| Quote: | adman wrote:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:09:34 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote
in alt.talk.creationism:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:15:50 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
GordHnotGordB wrote:
adman wrote:
CLUE: For people to have written about God, some of them must
have been face to face with Him at one time in Earths
history. Really?
Okay then: For people to have written about James T. Kirk, some
of them must have been face to face with him at one time in
Earth's history.
You happy with that?
You absolute fucking moron.
G.
You obviously have a hard time distinguishing between reality
(God) and fantasy (kirk)
Show us the evidence that God exists. Show us that God is real.
Where did all the matter come from? It just *poofed* itself into
existance? ALL BY ITSELF ?
There is the possibility that the net energy of the universe is
zero.
Yey Another new theory?
Sounds to me that you don't know anything about science.
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"Stan-O" <bndsna807@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:37:28 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:04:20 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote:
CLUE: For people to have written about God, some of them must have
been
face to face with Him at one time in Earths history.
Really? So since "people have written about" unicorns, santa etc.
they
must have been "face to face" with them at some point??
Are you at least starting to see how ridiculous you sound?
I see you cannot differentiate between things like fiction,
non-fiction,
humor,.
i guess you are the reason book stores have those signs that tell
what
section you are in.
...and at my local B&N, religion and fantasy are next to each other.
Coincidence?
surely you meant 'Religion' and 'Fiction'
Perhaps, but I fantasy is the closest genre in the store.
you mispelled Fact
The only fact related to any bible that the store sells is the price
and the publishing company...
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"And the title. Don't forget the title."
Ok. The only facts related to any bible that the store sells is the price,
the publishing company and the title...
"What about the page numbers?"
<sigh>
The only facts related to any bible that the store sells is the price, the
publishing company, the title and the page numbers...
"It has an ISBN, doesn't it?"
<getting angry>
The only facts related to any bible that the store sells is the price, the
publishing company, the title, the page numbers and the ISBN...
:-)
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DanielSan
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: Re: Intelligent Design Fellow Gives the Game Away - ID not a |
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adman wrote:
| Quote: | DanielSan wrote:
adman wrote:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:09:34 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote
in alt.talk.creationism:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:15:50 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
GordHnotGordB wrote:
adman wrote:
CLUE: For people to have written about God, some of them must
have been face to face with Him at one time in Earths
history. Really?
Okay then: For people to have written about James T. Kirk, some
of them must have been face to face with him at one time in
Earth's history.
You happy with that?
You absolute fucking moron.
G.
You obviously have a hard time distinguishing between reality
(God) and fantasy (kirk)
Show us the evidence that God exists. Show us that God is real.
Where did all the matter come from? It just *poofed* itself into
existance? ALL BY ITSELF ?
There is the possibility that the net energy of the universe is
zero.
Yey Another new theory?
Sounds to me that you don't know anything about science.
who can keep up with science! it changes with each passing moment.
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See, there you go again, showing your blatant ignorance.
"Science" has not changed since the scientific method was invented in
the 10th century CE.
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"Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote in message
news:5wppk.12499$2X3.1456@newsfe13.ams2...
The world is flat and square. The four corners each rest on the back of
an elephant. Each elephant stands on the back of a turtle.
Heretic!
The world is a disc!
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Only according to Pratchetists (cf Darwinists).
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Next thing you'll tell me is that A'Tuin is female!
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How else would giant star turtles breed?
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davidwg
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| Quote: | I see you have trouble with the differences between history, and fantasy
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The bible is a mixture of fantasy with cod history. The problem is
that the basic premise of the existence of a god is just pure
fantasy. Despite all the claims made for these imaginary entities no
one anywhere has ever been able to prove the existence of his god and
there is no credible evidence to support the notion. The creation of
gods filled the need to explain the unknown to primitive people and
there have been thousands of gods invented by mankind and all of them
are equally bogus. Slowly people are outgrowing the need for
supernatural explanations with the result that religion is in a
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Free Lunch
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:00:42 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote in
alt.atheism:
| Quote: | Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:09:34 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:15:50 -0500, "adman" <grat@hotmail.et> wrote
in alt.talk.creationism:
GordHnotGordB wrote:
adman wrote:
CLUE: For people to have written about God, some of them must
have been face to face with Him at one time in Earths history.
Really?
Okay then: For people to have written about James T. Kirk, some of
them must have been face to face with him at one time in Earth's
history.
You happy with that?
You absolute fucking moron.
G.
You obviously have a hard time distinguishing between reality (God)
and fantasy (kirk)
Show us the evidence that God exists. Show us that God is real.
Where did all the matter come from? It just *poofed* itself into
existance? ALL BY ITSELF ?
There is the possibility that the net energy of the universe is zero.
Yey Another new theory?
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No.
| Quote: | Science is becoming like religion. Religion has a
thousand flavors and science has a thousand ideas on how everything got
here.
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You really have no idea how science works nor any interest in it. You
are merely worshipping the lies you tell us. Lies that are completely
without foundation and unsupported by any evidence.
| Quote: | Despite this similarity between religion and science,, i'll bite.
Can you explain "the possibility that the net energy of the universe is
zero" and how this relates to my question of how did all this matter got
here?? Please. Thanks
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Energy and matter are equivalent. If there is a net zero energy in the
universe, then "all this matter" is actually _none_. Scientists don't
know enough about the universe yet to know if this is an accurate
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