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 Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:06 am Post subject: Re: Great promises |
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| Quote: | However, as learned scholars, both admit, that 2 Peter is veiwed as not
being by Peter, by the VAST MAJORITY of NT scholars.
Further dear, read Eusebius 3, 3 -
These then are the works attributed to Peter, of which I have recognized
only one epistle as AUTHENTIC AND ACCEPTED BY THE EARLY FATHERS.
Now your job, clown, is show us any early church father that accepted 2
Peter.
Or not. IF YOU HAVE NOTHING!!
I'll make a bet.
You come back with NOTHING!!
Smile.
I do not rely a whole lot on what the "the vast majority" of the
scholars think.
IMO, the content of Peter's 2nd epistle provides solid evidence that it
was inspired by God.
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As I said, you would come back with NOTHING!!
But lets read what you say.
I do not rely on what the VAST MAJORITY of scholars think.
IMO.
Amazing, reject the scholars for your own opinion!!
Now, you know why you are an idiot!!
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Carl wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 18, 12:15 pm, "Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote:
"Doug" <religionist nutcase> wrote in message ...
The apostle Peter said "exceeding great and precious promises" are given
to those who believe the gospel.
2 Peter 1:2-5
By: Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
The rejection of Peter as the writer of 2 Peter is by far the most common
opinion today.
In fact, the view of the pseudonymity of the epistle is almost universal.
Yet, Dougie the idiot, continues to quote the fake.
And thus his whole post is nothing but BULL!!
And once again zadok makes a non sequiturial argument. Since one does
not follow the other. zadok contends that since the authorship of 2
Peter is in question, the validity of its canonicity should be
rejected. The first (authorship) does not automatically make the book
non-canon. But zadok's ignorance and arrogance is apparent when he
make stupid statements like he does in this matter. zadok also shows
marked ignorance in regards to the history of the Bible itself and how
it came to be.
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Indeed. Besides, the question about whether the OT promises apply to
Christians, and which ones, etc., does not depend on 2 Peter alone. The
promises are referred to elsewhere in the NT. For example:
2 Corinthians 6:16 - 2 Corinthians 7:1
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the
temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and
walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord,
and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters,
saith the Lord Almighty.
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse
ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting
holiness in the fear of God.
Paul was clearly referring to promises originally given to Israel here.
He applied them to the Church!
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Doug
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Ike4
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: Re: Great promises |
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"Doug" <tcc@sentex.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The apostle Peter said "exceeding great and precious promises" are given
to those who believe the gospel.
2 Peter 1:2-5
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Wasn't written by Peter, nor even in the first century, nor even by a
Christian.
| Quote: | Ephesians 2:10-13
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which
God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who
are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the
flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the
commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise,
having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the
blood of Christ.
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Which in no way DISPLACES God's eventually dealings with the LITERAL Israel.
[snip]
| Quote: | Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to
seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Those who believe the gospel are Abraham's seed by faith, and so are heirs
of the promises through Christ.
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Which in no way DISPLACES God's eventual dealings with the LITERAL Israel.
| Quote: | Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to
the promise.
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Which in no way DISPLACES God's eventual dealings with the LITERAL Israel.
[snip]
| Quote: | 2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the
glory of God by us.
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Which in no way DISPLACES God's eventual dealings with the LITERAL Israel.
| Quote: | Here are some of the promises in the OT that Peter called "exceeding great
and precious."
God does not forsake us, or forget his covenant. (Deuteronomy 4:31)
God reveals what we need to know. (Deuteronomy 29:29)
God never breaks his covenant. (Judges 2:1)
God hears when we call to him. (Psalm 4:3)
God preserves his word. (Psalm 12:6-7)
God guides the meek. (Psalm 25:9)
God delivers those who care for the poor. (Psalm 41:1-2)
God guides us always. (Psalm 48:14)
After death, glory. (Psalm 73:24)
God preserves the souls of his saints. (Psalm 97:10)
God heals all our diseases. (Psalm 103:2-4)
God preserves those that love him. (Psalm 145:20)
God heals the brokenhearted. (Psalm 147:2-3)
The children of the saints are blessed. (Psalm 147:12-13)
God gives wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. (Proverbs 2:6)
God destroys the wisdom of the wise. (Isaiah 29:13-14)
All flesh will see the glory of God. (Isaiah 40:5)
God refines us in the furnace of affliction. (Isaiah 48:3-10)
God heals us. (Isaiah 57:16-19)
God turns our darkness to light. (Isaiah 58:10-12)
God answers even before we ask. (Isaiah 65:24)
God heals the backsliders. (Jeremiah 3:21-22)
God loves judgment and lovingkindness. (Jeremiah 9:23-24)
God writes his law on our heart. (Jeremiah 31:33-34)
All Israel will know God. (Jeremiah 31:33-34)
God forgives our iniquity. (Jeremiah 31:33-34)
His covenant is everlasting. (Ezekiel 37:26-2
God heals those who return to him. (Hosea 6:1)
God reveals his secrets. (Amos 3:7)
God refines us as silver. (Zechariah 13:9)
God purifies the sons of Levi. (Malachi 3:1-3)
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NONE OF WHICH DISPLACES GOD'S DEALINGS WITH THE LITERAL ISRAEL, NOW, OR IN
THE FUTURE, which your DAMNABLE LIES of REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY and "CHURCH
ONLY" THEOLOGY REQUIRE.
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Ike4
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: Re: Great promises |
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"Bear" <tevans9129@charter.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:58:00 -0500, Doug <tcc@sentex.net> wrote:
The apostle Peter said "exceeding great and precious promises" are given
to those who believe the gospel.
A caveat about Doug for those who are not familiar with him. It is
advisable to read judiciously the referenced material he uses in his
comments for accuracy.
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A caveat about Bear and the rest of the Dispensationalists--THEY DO THE SAME
THING.
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| Quote: | I would make the challenge for those reading Doug to prove, with
scripture, "whether these things were so".
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AS DO I YOU.
| Quote: | I don't believe it can be
done.
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NEITHER DO I--BY YOU.
| Quote: | Unfortunately, Doug is not above some selective editing, deception and
dishonesty to promote his views.
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JUST LIKE YOU.
| Quote: | It is not productive trying to engage in a discussion with him when he
consistently massages quoted materials, quote verses completely out of
context, changes scripture to the point that it is unrecognizable,
allege verses say things they do not say, quote many verses that have
no relevancy to the subject, delete major portions of a post he is
responding to, completely ignores points that are made, makes
accusations he cannot prove, refuses to answer direct, specific
questions and when presented with evidence that he is wrong, he just
ignores it and goes on to the next diversion.
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JUST LIKE YOU.
| Quote: | If you think I am exaggerating, try a discussion with him and see how
successful you are.
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Likewise.
[snip]
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Ike4
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:45 am Post subject: Re: Great promises |
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"Doug" <tcc@sentex.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Of course those were the OT scriptures those Jews examined, to see whether
Paul and Silas were speaking the truth. The NT was not written yet. The
promises I have listed are all found in the OT. I suppose
Dispensationalists deny that these promises apply to Christians today.
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Which is a lie...
| Quote: | They make a distinction between Israel and the Church, whereas the NT
scriptures say that Christian believers are "made nigh" to the
commonwealth of Israel, and the covenants of promise, by the blood of
Christ, who is the "seed" of Abraham through whom all nations will be
blessed.
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WHICH IN NO WAY DISPLACES THE LITERAL ISRAEL, PAST OR FUTURE.
| Quote: | Dispensationalists say the Church age was a new thing, a "parenthesis" in
God's plan.
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No, it was a PARALLEL DEVELOPMENT--but their error STILL DOESN'T
SUBSTANTIATE YOUR EVEN WORSE ERRORS.
| Quote: | Hmm..
I wonder which of the promises I listed would they say does NOT apply to
the Church?
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I wonder WHICH OF THE PROMISES NO LONGER APPLY TO GOD'S "ISRAEL" (past,
present, or future) since "the gifts and calling of God ARE WITHOUT
REPENTANCE," and the Gentile believers are GRAFTED INTO THE ORIGINAL ISRAEL,
and DON'T "REPLACE THEM," AS YOUR ABOMINABLE DOCTRINES REQUIRE?!?
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Zadok makes it quite clear he rejects most of the Bible. As a result he is
merely another heretic in a long line of heretics. He will suffer the
consequences if he does not repent so says Scripture.
He admits to rejecting John 1:1.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his
glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of
grace and truth.
He admits to rejecting John the Baptist & John 1:16,17.
From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after
another. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through
Jesus Christ.
He admits to rejecting Acts 4:33.
With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of
the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all.
He admits to rejecting Romans 5:15.
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass
of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the
grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
He admits to rejecting Philemon 1:25.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.
He admits to rejecting Revelation 1:4,5.
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and
from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the
faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of
the earth.
He admits to rejecting Revelation 22:21.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people.
Zadok stated clearly, "I reject any books not written by an apostle" He
tried to explain it away by claiming we were discussing only the New
Testament however the fact remains we were discussing the Bible in totality
(e.g. -- Old Testament AND New Testament) therefore when he made his
statement "I reject any books not written by an apostle" and since he KNEW
at the time we were discussing the OT & the NT the only logical and rational
conclusion is that zadok rejects the entire Old Testament, the book of Mark
(since it's attributed to Mark, a cousin of Barnabas), the book of Luke,
Acts, the Epistle to the Romans, the First & Second Epistles to the
Corinthians, the Epistle to the Galatians, the Epistle to the Ephesians,
Epistle to the Philippians, the Epistle to the Colossians, the First &
Second Epistles to the Thessalonians, the First & Second Epistles to
Timothy, the Epistle to Titus, the Epistle to Philemon, the Epistle to the
Hebrews, 2 Peter, and even though John wrote it, apparently Zadok reject
Revelation as well.
All that's left in Zadok's personally edited, cafeteria-style chosen verse
inclusion (e.g. -- a couple here, some from there, a few more from there,
etc.) is Matthew, John (although since he rejects Revelation he probably
rejects John as well in order to be consistent), the Epistle of James, the
First Epistle of Peter, the First, Second, & Third Epistles of John and the
Epistle of Jude. However since the Epistle of James is traditionally
attributed as being written by James, brother of Jesus and Jude Thomas and
the Epistle of Jude is traditionally ascribed to Jude Thomas, brother of
Jesus and James, Zadok may reject those as well depending upon if he
considers James & Jude Thomas apostles or not.
So the 66 books in the Bible that have been accepted as canon by Christians
for centuries has mostly been rejected by Zadok whose personal "bible" is 8
books or less. And even those 8 books are viscerated by Zadok's personal
choice to reject portions of even those books that oppose his worldly and
unholy views of such Godly things as Grace, Love, Joy, Peace, etc.
In short, Zadok rejects God's Word. This explains why he lacks any grace,
joy, peace, longsuffering, etc. and exhibits anger, bitterness, hatred, a
short temper and other attributes which God does not want Christians to
display.
Zadok's heart is quite hardened and dark and is also completely devoid of
the Holy Spirit. He has shown himself conclusively to be a heretic and since
he has been indeed warned properly according to Scripture yet refuses all
proper, Biblical correction, Christians should not have anything further to
do with him. Zadok's fate is dire unless he repents according to God's Word.
I beseech all of my Christian brothers and sisters to pray for Zadok and
continue to keep him in your prayers no matter how insulting, crude and rude
he becomes in his posts.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
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"Doug" <> wrote in message ...
Zadok wrote:
"Doug" <religionist nutcase> wrote in message ...
The apostle Peter said "exceeding great and precious promises" are
given
to those who believe the gospel.
2 Peter 1:2-5
By: Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
The rejection of Peter as the writer of 2 Peter is by far the most
common
opinion today.
In fact, the view of the pseudonymity of the epistle is almost
universal.
Yet, Dougie the idiot, continues to quote the fake.
And thus his whole post is nothing but BULL!!
Smile.
Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
Wayne Stiles serves as the Executive Vice President and Chief Content
Officer at Insight for Living. He received his Master of Theology and
Doctor of Ministry degrees from Dallas Theological Seminary.
Does not seem to be a very credible source to me.
Then try this dear -
By: Daniel B. Wallace , Th.M., Ph.D
From one perspective, this short epistle is the most disputed book in the
NT
canon as to authenticity. From another, the issue of authorship is already
settled, at least negatively: the apostle Peter did not write this letter.
The vast bulk of NT scholars adopts this second perspective without much
discussion.
WOW. first you have Stiles (who by the way, was writing in defence of 2
Peter), which in turn shows what an idiot you are.
And Dr. Wallace was also writing in defence of 2 Peter.
However, as learned scholars, both admit, that 2 Peter is veiwed as not
being by Peter, by the VAST MAJORITY of NT scholars.
Further dear, read Eusebius 3, 3 -
These then are the works attributed to Peter, of which I have recognized
only one epistle as AUTHENTIC AND ACCEPTED BY THE EARLY FATHERS.
Now your job, clown, is show us any early church father that accepted 2
Peter.
Or not. IF YOU HAVE NOTHING!!
I'll make a bet.
You come back with NOTHING!!
Smile.
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Zadok makes it quite clear he rejects most of the Bible. As a result he is
merely another heretic in a long line of heretics. He will suffer the
consequences if he does not repent so says Scripture.
He admits to rejecting John 1:1.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his
glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of
grace and truth.
He admits to rejecting John the Baptist & John 1:16,17.
From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after
another. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through
Jesus Christ.
He admits to rejecting Acts 4:33.
With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of
the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all.
He admits to rejecting Romans 5:15.
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass
of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the
grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
He admits to rejecting Philemon 1:25.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.
He admits to rejecting Revelation 1:4,5.
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and
from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the
faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of
the earth.
He admits to rejecting Revelation 22:21.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people.
Zadok stated clearly, "I reject any books not written by an apostle" He
tried to explain it away by claiming we were discussing only the New
Testament however the fact remains we were discussing the Bible in totality
(e.g. -- Old Testament AND New Testament) therefore when he made his
statement "I reject any books not written by an apostle" and since he KNEW
at the time we were discussing the OT & the NT the only logical and rational
conclusion is that zadok rejects the entire Old Testament, the book of Mark
(since it's attributed to Mark, a cousin of Barnabas), the book of Luke,
Acts, the Epistle to the Romans, the First & Second Epistles to the
Corinthians, the Epistle to the Galatians, the Epistle to the Ephesians,
Epistle to the Philippians, the Epistle to the Colossians, the First &
Second Epistles to the Thessalonians, the First & Second Epistles to
Timothy, the Epistle to Titus, the Epistle to Philemon, the Epistle to the
Hebrews, 2 Peter, and even though John wrote it, apparently Zadok reject
Revelation as well.
All that's left in Zadok's personally edited, cafeteria-style chosen verse
inclusion (e.g. -- a couple here, some from there, a few more from there,
etc.) is Matthew, John (although since he rejects Revelation he probably
rejects John as well in order to be consistent), the Epistle of James, the
First Epistle of Peter, the First, Second, & Third Epistles of John and the
Epistle of Jude. However since the Epistle of James is traditionally
attributed as being written by James, brother of Jesus and Jude Thomas and
the Epistle of Jude is traditionally ascribed to Jude Thomas, brother of
Jesus and James, Zadok may reject those as well depending upon if he
considers James & Jude Thomas apostles or not.
So the 66 books in the Bible that have been accepted as canon by Christians
for centuries has mostly been rejected by Zadok whose personal "bible" is 8
books or less. And even those 8 books are viscerated by Zadok's personal
choice to reject portions of even those books that oppose his worldly and
unholy views of such Godly things as Grace, Love, Joy, Peace, etc.
In short, Zadok rejects God's Word. This explains why he lacks any grace,
joy, peace, longsuffering, etc. and exhibits anger, bitterness, hatred, a
short temper and other attributes which God does not want Christians to
display.
Zadok's heart is quite hardened and dark and is also completely devoid of
the Holy Spirit. He has shown himself conclusively to be a heretic and since
he has been indeed warned properly according to Scripture yet refuses all
proper, Biblical correction, Christians should not have anything further to
do with him. Zadok's fate is dire unless he repents according to God's Word.
I beseech all of my Christian brothers and sisters to pray for Zadok and
continue to keep him in your prayers no matter how insulting, crude and rude
he becomes in his posts.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/ |
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Luke accepted Paul as an apostle of Christ Jesus.
Silas accepted Paul as an apostle of Christ Jesus.
Barnabas accepted Paul as an apostle of Christ Jesus.
Peter accepted Paul as an apostle of Christ Jesus.
The disciples present at the time accepted Paul as an apostle of Christ
Jesus.
And most of all, the Holy Spirit accepted Paul as an apostle of Christ
Jesus.
Zadok rejects God's Word and rejects the Biblical teaching of and acceptance
by Luke, Silas, Barnabas, Peter, all the disciples present at the time & the
Holy Spirit of Paul as a true apostle of Jesus Christ.
The rejection of Paul as a true disciple of Jesus Christ is an unBiblical
belief full of scriptural, theological and historical holes. Probably the
biggest flaw is the fact that Luke, Silas, Barnabas, Peter, the disciples
present at the time AND the Holy Spirit ALL accepted Paul as an apostle of
Jesus Christ. You, as all other anti-Paul proponents, refuse to address this
big problem with the anti-Pauline stance.
You have no excuse for rejecting Paul and rejecting most of the New
Testament. You have no excuse for rejecting the parts of God's Word that you
do not like. Furthermore, you have no basis for your claim as long as you
ignore the Biblical fact that Luke, Silas, Barnabas, Peter, all the
disciples of Jesus Christ present with Paul AND the Holy Spirit ALL accepted
Paul as a true apostle of Jesus Christ. This is a HUGE, GAPING FLAW in the
anti-Pauline claim that none of you have ever been able to address. Instead,
it is ignored in a vain attempt that no one notices.
You call Biblical truth lies which is an example of God teaching us that
corrupted individuals like yourself will call good evil and evil good. So
basically you're being an example of Biblical teachings of those who are
false teachers. All Biblical truth. Deny it all you wish, but your words and
deeds expose your wickedness.
Your profanity-laced attacks show not only your darkened and hardened heart
but also the fact that you still are unable to support your anti-Paul
errors. Especially the biggest flaws in your Paul is an "apostate"
assertions, namely that Luke, Silas, Barnabas, Peter, all the disciples of
Jesus Christ who were present at the time AND the Holy Spirit ALL accepted
Paul as a true apostle of Jesus Christ.
Who do you side with, folks?
Luke, Silas, Barnabas, Peter, all the disciples of Jesus Christ present with
Paul AND the Holy Spirit who accepted Paul as a true apostle of Jesus
Christ?
Or abusive, foul-mouthed, Zadok who rejects most of the New Testament,
considers Paul an "apostate" and teaches falsely?
Think about it, folks. This is what the anti-Pauline crowd is basically
claiming without evidence.
My advice? Reject Zadok and all anti-Pauline nonsense as Scripture instructs
for it is unBiblical, errant teachings that cannot be supported
scripturally.
Acts 2:1-4
2:1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2
Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and
filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be
tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of
them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as
the Spirit enabled them.
The Holy Spirit filled all at this house during the day of Pentecost.
Acts 4:8-10
8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit , said to them: "Rulers and elders
of the people! 9 If we are being called to account today for an act of
kindness shown to a cripple and are asked how he was healed, 10 then know
this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of
Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this
man stands before you healed.
The Holy Spirit filled Peter.
Acts 4:23-31
23 On their release, Peter and John went back to their own people and
reported all that the chief priests and elders had said to them. 24 When
they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God.
"Sovereign Lord," they said, "you made the heaven and the earth and the sea,
and everything in them. 25 You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of
your servant, our father David: "'Why do the nations rage and the peoples
plot in vain? 26 The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers
gather together against the Lord and against his Anointed One.'
27 Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the
people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus,
whom you anointed. 28 They did what your power and will had decided
beforehand should happen. 29 Now, Lord, consider their threats and enable
your servants to speak your word with great boldness. 30 Stretch out your
hand to heal and perform miraculous signs and wonders through the name of
your holy servant Jesus." 31 After they prayed, the place where they were
meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke
the word of God boldly.
Look who was filled with the Holy Spirit here.
Acts 7:55-56
55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit , looked up to heaven and saw the
glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 "Look," he
said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of
God."
The Holy Spirit filled Stephen.
Acts 10:44-45
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all
who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter
were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on
the Gentiles.
The Holy Spirit filled all those who heard and believed [faith] the message
of the Good News that Peter spoke.
Acts 11:22-24
22 News of this reached the ears of the church at Jerusalem, and they sent
Barnabas to Antioch. 23 When he arrived and saw the evidence of the grace of
God, he was glad and encouraged them all to remain true to the Lord with all
their hearts. 24 He was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and faith, and a
great number of people were brought to the Lord.
The Holy Spirit filled Barnabas.
Acts 13:9-10
9 Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked
straight at Elymas and said, 10 "You are a child of the devil and an enemy
of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and
trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?"
The Holy Spirit filled Paul.
Acts 13:49-52
49 The word of the Lord spread through the whole region. 50 But the Jews
incited the God-fearing women of high standing and the leading men of the
city. They stirred up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled
them from their region. 51 So they shook the dust from their feet in protest
against them and went to Iconium. 52 And the disciples were filled with joy
and with the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit filled the disciples mentioned in v52.
Would the Holy Spirit fill a false apostle or someone who did not truly
believe [faith]? No. Would the Holy Spirit fill an unbeliever? No. Would the
Holy Spirit fill a rejecter of Christ? No. Would the Holy Spirit fill an
apostate? No.
Acts 15:8
8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy
Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
Paul was a true apostle of Jesus Christ. So says the Scriptures.
Zadok, when will you stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?
May God bless and help you see the error of you ways,
Carl
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:12 am Post subject: please pray, asking God to shine the light of truth into zad |
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Zadok makes it quite clear he rejects most of the Bible. As a result he is
merely another heretic in a long line of heretics. He will suffer the
consequences if he does not repent so says Scripture.
He admits to rejecting John 1:1.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his
glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of
grace and truth.
He admits to rejecting John the Baptist & John 1:16,17.
From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after
another. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through
Jesus Christ.
He admits to rejecting Acts 4:33.
With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of
the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all.
He admits to rejecting Romans 5:15.
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass
of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the
grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
He admits to rejecting Philemon 1:25.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.
He admits to rejecting Revelation 1:4,5.
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and
from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the
faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of
the earth.
He admits to rejecting Revelation 22:21.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people.
Zadok stated clearly, "I reject any books not written by an apostle" He
tried to explain it away by claiming we were discussing only the New
Testament however the fact remains we were discussing the Bible in totality
(e.g. -- Old Testament AND New Testament) therefore when he made his
statement "I reject any books not written by an apostle" and since he KNEW
at the time we were discussing the OT & the NT the only logical and rational
conclusion is that zadok rejects the entire Old Testament, the book of Mark
(since it's attributed to Mark, a cousin of Barnabas), the book of Luke,
Acts, the Epistle to the Romans, the First & Second Epistles to the
Corinthians, the Epistle to the Galatians, the Epistle to the Ephesians,
Epistle to the Philippians, the Epistle to the Colossians, the First &
Second Epistles to the Thessalonians, the First & Second Epistles to
Timothy, the Epistle to Titus, the Epistle to Philemon, the Epistle to the
Hebrews, 2 Peter, and even though John wrote it, apparently Zadok reject
Revelation as well.
All that's left in Zadok's personally edited, cafeteria-style chosen verse
inclusion (e.g. -- a couple here, some from there, a few more from there,
etc.) is Matthew, John (although since he rejects Revelation he probably
rejects John as well in order to be consistent), the Epistle of James, the
First Epistle of Peter, the First, Second, & Third Epistles of John and the
Epistle of Jude. However since the Epistle of James is traditionally
attributed as being written by James, brother of Jesus and Jude Thomas and
the Epistle of Jude is traditionally ascribed to Jude Thomas, brother of
Jesus and James, Zadok may reject those as well depending upon if he
considers James & Jude Thomas apostles or not.
So the 66 books in the Bible that have been accepted as canon by Christians
for centuries has mostly been rejected by Zadok whose personal "bible" is 8
books or less. And even those 8 books are viscerated by Zadok's personal
choice to reject portions of even those books that oppose his worldly and
unholy views of such Godly things as Grace, Love, Joy, Peace, etc.
In short, Zadok rejects God's Word. This explains why he lacks any grace,
joy, peace, longsuffering, etc. and exhibits anger, bitterness, hatred, a
short temper and other attributes which God does not want Christians to
display.
Zadok's heart is quite hardened and dark and is also completely devoid of
the Holy Spirit. He has shown himself conclusively to be a heretic and since
he has been indeed warned properly according to Scripture yet refuses all
proper, Biblical correction, Christians should not have anything further to
do with him. Zadok's fate is dire unless he repents according to God's Word.
I beseech all of my Christian brothers and sisters to pray for Zadok and
continue to keep him in your prayers no matter how insulting, crude and rude
he becomes in his posts.
May God bless,
Carl
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Great promises |
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"Doug" <tcc@sentex.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The likely reason 2 Peter is not mentioned by many of the early Christian
authors is because those same writers were the ones Peter was referring to
in the 2nd chapter of his epistle. Peter wrote about false teachers among
the people, who would bring in "damnable heresies." Of course, guilty
individuals would detest Peter's epistle, so it is no wonder they ignored
it.
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LOL
That was damn backwards.
The patriarchs didn't cite 2 PETER because it was "written by those who
would bring in damnable heresies," and endorsed by damned heretics such as
yourself, DENYING THAT JESUS TAUGHT BOTH AN ETERNAL HEAVEN AND AN ETERNAL
HELL.
| Quote: | These false teachers introduced pagan views from Plato and other
philosophers.
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BULLSHIT.
The Bible (Ezekiel and Daniel, et al) spoke of an eternal heaven and eternal
hell OVER LONG BEFORE PLATO EVEN EXISTED.
THE PROPHETS DIDN'T GET THEIR PHILOSOPHY FROM PLATO; PLATO GOT HIS
PHILOSOPHY FROM CONTACT WITH THE JEWS WHO WERE DISPERSED WHEN THE TEMPLE WAS
DESTROYED.
| Quote: | Plato believed in the immortality of the soul.
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BECAUSE THE PROPHETS TAUGHT IT, AND PLATO GOT INFORMATION FROM THE DISPERSED
JEWS, idiot.
| Quote: | They merged those pagan beliefs with the teachings of the NT, and
corrupted the gospel, and fulfilled the prophecy about the sun being
turned to darkness, that Peter mentioned in his speech on the day of
Pentecost.
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BULLSHIT--DANIEL AND EZEKIEL TAUGHT THE IMMORTALITY OF THE SOUL OVER A
HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE PLATO EVEN EXISTED.
AND THE PSALMS TAKES IT BACK FURTHER THAN THAT!
Ps 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life:
and I will dwell in the house of the LORD FOR EVER.
| Quote: | (See Acts 2:20) The sun clothes the woman in heaven in the prophecy of
Revelation 12:1, so it represents the gospel. It was "turned to darkness"
by false teachings introduced by church fathers, just as Peter had
foretold in 2 Peter 2.
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THE AUTHOR OF 2 PETER WAS THE FALSE TEACHER, fool, NOT THE "CHURCH FATHERS."
| Quote: | Gullible modern scholars have noticed that 2 Peter was ignored for several
centuries, and so they concluded it was not genuine. Zadok exposes his own
gullibility by quoting them.
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YOU'RE THE "GULLIBLE ONE," fool, TRYING TO REWRITE THE BIBLE THE WAY YOU
WANT IT INSTEAD OF REVISING YOUR FALSE DOCTRINES TO MATCH THE WORD.
Idiot.
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