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The apostle Peter said "exceeding great and precious promises" are given
to those who believe the gospel.
2 Peter 1:2-5
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and
of Jesus our Lord,
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain
unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called
us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by
these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the
corruption that is in the world through lust.
Many who read this may wonder what those promises are, and how to obtain
them. The promises Peter refers to are the ones given to the saints in
the OT. These are the "covenants of promise" that Paul refers to in his
epistle to the Ephesians.
Ephesians 2:10-13
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,
who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision
in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the
commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise,
having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by
the blood of Christ.
Made nigh to what? To the "commonwealth of Israel," and the "covenants
of promise." In short, to all the promises of God given to Israel in the
OT. Paul said these promises were made to Abraham's seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to
seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Those who believe the gospel are Abraham's seed by faith, and so are
heirs of the promises through Christ.
Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according
to the promise.
Only through Christ can we receive these precious promises of God. Paul
says all the promises of God, including those Peter called "exceeding
great and precious," are "yea" and "Amen" to those in Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the
glory of God by us.
Here are some of the promises in the OT that Peter called "exceeding
great and precious."
God does not forsake us, or forget his covenant. (Deuteronomy 4:31)
God reveals what we need to know. (Deuteronomy 29:29)
God never breaks his covenant. (Judges 2:1)
God hears when we call to him. (Psalm 4:3)
God preserves his word. (Psalm 12:6-7)
God guides the meek. (Psalm 25:9)
God delivers those who care for the poor. (Psalm 41:1-2)
God guides us always. (Psalm 48:14)
After death, glory. (Psalm 73:24)
God preserves the souls of his saints. (Psalm 97:10)
God heals all our diseases. (Psalm 103:2-4)
God preserves those that love him. (Psalm 145:20)
God heals the brokenhearted. (Psalm 147:2-3)
The children of the saints are blessed. (Psalm 147:12-13)
God gives wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. (Proverbs 2:6)
God destroys the wisdom of the wise. (Isaiah 29:13-14)
All flesh will see the glory of God. (Isaiah 40:5)
God refines us in the furnace of affliction. (Isaiah 48:3-10)
God heals us. (Isaiah 57:16-19)
God turns our darkness to light. (Isaiah 58:10-12)
God answers even before we ask. (Isaiah 65:24)
God heals the backsliders. (Jeremiah 3:21-22)
God loves judgment and lovingkindness. (Jeremiah 9:23-24)
God writes his law on our heart. (Jeremiah 31:33-34)
All Israel will know God. (Jeremiah 31:33-34)
God forgives our iniquity. (Jeremiah 31:33-34)
His covenant is everlasting. (Ezekiel 37:26-2
God heals those who return to him. (Hosea 6:1)
God reveals his secrets. (Amos 3:7)
God refines us as silver. (Zechariah 13:9)
God purifies the sons of Levi. (Malachi 3:1-3)
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Carl
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: Zadok's ignorance & arrogance of Biblical canonicity on disp |
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On Nov 18, 12:15 pm, "Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | "Doug" <religionist nutcase> wrote in message ...
The apostle Peter said "exceeding great and precious promises" are given
to those who believe the gospel.
2 Peter 1:2-5
By: Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
The rejection of Peter as the writer of 2 Peter is by far the most common
opinion today.
In fact, the view of the pseudonymity of the epistle is almost universal.
Yet, Dougie the idiot, continues to quote the fake.
And thus his whole post is nothing but BULL!!
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And once again zadok makes a non sequiturial argument. Since one does
not follow the other. zadok contends that since the authorship of 2
Peter is in question, the validity of its canonicity should be
rejected. The first (authorship) does not automatically make the book
non-canon. But zadok's ignorance and arrogance is apparent when he
make stupid statements like he does in this matter. zadok also shows
marked ignorance in regards to the history of the Bible itself and how
it came to be.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/ |
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Carl
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: Zadok's ignorance & arrogance of Biblical canonicity on disp |
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On Nov 18, 1:15 pm, Doug <t...@sentex.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Zadok wrote:
"Doug" <religionist nutcase> wrote in message ...
The apostle Peter said "exceeding great and precious promises" are given
to those who believe the gospel.
2 Peter 1:2-5
By: Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
The rejection of Peter as the writer of 2 Peter is by far the most common
opinion today.
In fact, the view of the pseudonymity of the epistle is almost universal.
Yet, Dougie the idiot, continues to quote the fake.
And thus his whole post is nothing but BULL!!
Smile.
Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
Wayne Stiles serves as the Executive Vice President and Chief Content
Officer at Insight for Living. He received his Master of Theology and
Doctor of Ministry degrees from Dallas Theological Seminary.
Does not seem to be a very credible source to me.
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Actually, Stiles is considered a very credible source by many other
Christian scholars both dispensationalists and nondispensationalists.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/ |
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Bear
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Great promises |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:58:00 -0500, Doug <tcc@sentex.net> wrote:
| Quote: | The apostle Peter said "exceeding great and precious promises" are given
to those who believe the gospel.
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A caveat about Doug for those who are not familiar with him. It is
advisable to read judiciously the referenced material he uses in his
comments for accuracy.
Doug really likes to use the NT so may I suggest those reading his
post to remember,
Acts 17:11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in
Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness,
EXAMINING THE SCRIPTURES DAILY TO SEE WHETHER THESE THINGS WERE SO.
I would make the challenge for those reading Doug to prove, with
scripture, "whether these things were so". I don't believe it can be
done.
Unfortunately, Doug is not above some selective editing, deception and
dishonesty to promote his views.
It is not productive trying to engage in a discussion with him when he
consistently massages quoted materials, quote verses completely out of
context, changes scripture to the point that it is unrecognizable,
allege verses say things they do not say, quote many verses that have
no relevancy to the subject, delete major portions of a post he is
responding to, completely ignores points that are made, makes
accusations he cannot prove, refuses to answer direct, specific
questions and when presented with evidence that he is wrong, he just
ignores it and goes on to the next diversion.
If you think I am exaggerating, try a discussion with him and see how
successful you are.
| Quote: | 2 Peter 1:2-5
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and
of Jesus our Lord,
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain
unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called
us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by
these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the
corruption that is in the world through lust.
Many who read this may wonder what those promises are, and how to obtain
them. The promises Peter refers to are the ones given to the saints in
the OT. These are the "covenants of promise" that Paul refers to in his
epistle to the Ephesians.
Ephesians 2:10-13
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,
who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision
in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the
commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise,
having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by
the blood of Christ.
Made nigh to what? To the "commonwealth of Israel," and the "covenants
of promise." In short, to all the promises of God given to Israel in the
OT. Paul said these promises were made to Abraham's seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to
seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Those who believe the gospel are Abraham's seed by faith, and so are
heirs of the promises through Christ.
Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according
to the promise.
Only through Christ can we receive these precious promises of God. Paul
says all the promises of God, including those Peter called "exceeding
great and precious," are "yea" and "Amen" to those in Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the
glory of God by us.
Here are some of the promises in the OT that Peter called "exceeding
great and precious."
God does not forsake us, or forget his covenant. (Deuteronomy 4:31)
God reveals what we need to know. (Deuteronomy 29:29)
God never breaks his covenant. (Judges 2:1)
God hears when we call to him. (Psalm 4:3)
God preserves his word. (Psalm 12:6-7)
God guides the meek. (Psalm 25:9)
God delivers those who care for the poor. (Psalm 41:1-2)
God guides us always. (Psalm 48:14)
After death, glory. (Psalm 73:24)
God preserves the souls of his saints. (Psalm 97:10)
God heals all our diseases. (Psalm 103:2-4)
God preserves those that love him. (Psalm 145:20)
God heals the brokenhearted. (Psalm 147:2-3)
The children of the saints are blessed. (Psalm 147:12-13)
God gives wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. (Proverbs 2:6)
God destroys the wisdom of the wise. (Isaiah 29:13-14)
All flesh will see the glory of God. (Isaiah 40:5)
God refines us in the furnace of affliction. (Isaiah 48:3-10)
God heals us. (Isaiah 57:16-19)
God turns our darkness to light. (Isaiah 58:10-12)
God answers even before we ask. (Isaiah 65:24)
God heals the backsliders. (Jeremiah 3:21-22)
God loves judgment and lovingkindness. (Jeremiah 9:23-24)
God writes his law on our heart. (Jeremiah 31:33-34)
All Israel will know God. (Jeremiah 31:33-34)
God forgives our iniquity. (Jeremiah 31:33-34)
His covenant is everlasting. (Ezekiel 37:26-2
God heals those who return to him. (Hosea 6:1)
God reveals his secrets. (Amos 3:7)
God refines us as silver. (Zechariah 13:9)
God purifies the sons of Levi. (Malachi 3:1-3) |
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Doug
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: Great promises |
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Bear wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:58:00 -0500, Doug <tcc@sentex.net> wrote:
The apostle Peter said "exceeding great and precious promises" are given
to those who believe the gospel.
A caveat about Doug for those who are not familiar with him. It is
advisable to read judiciously the referenced material he uses in his
comments for accuracy.
Doug really likes to use the NT so may I suggest those reading his
post to remember,
Acts 17:11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in
Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness,
EXAMINING THE SCRIPTURES DAILY TO SEE WHETHER THESE THINGS WERE SO.
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Of course those were the OT scriptures those Jews examined, to see
whether Paul and Silas were speaking the truth. The NT was not written
yet. The promises I have listed are all found in the OT. I suppose
Dispensationalists deny that these promises apply to Christians today.
They make a distinction between Israel and the Church, whereas the NT
scriptures say that Christian believers are "made nigh" to the
commonwealth of Israel, and the covenants of promise, by the blood of
Christ, who is the "seed" of Abraham through whom all nations will be
blessed. Dispensationalists say the Church age was a new thing, a
"parenthesis" in God's plan.
Hmm..
I wonder which of the promises I listed would they say does NOT apply to
the Church?
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2 Peter 1:2-5
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and
of Jesus our Lord,
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain
unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called
us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by
these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the
corruption that is in the world through lust.
Many who read this may wonder what those promises are, and how to obtain
them. The promises Peter refers to are the ones given to the saints in
the OT. These are the "covenants of promise" that Paul refers to in his
epistle to the Ephesians.
Ephesians 2:10-13
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,
who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision
in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the
commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise,
having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by
the blood of Christ.
Made nigh to what? To the "commonwealth of Israel," and the "covenants
of promise." In short, to all the promises of God given to Israel in the
OT. Paul said these promises were made to Abraham's seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to
seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Those who believe the gospel are Abraham's seed by faith, and so are
heirs of the promises through Christ.
Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according
to the promise.
Only through Christ can we receive these precious promises of God. Paul
says all the promises of God, including those Peter called "exceeding
great and precious," are "yea" and "Amen" to those in Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the
glory of God by us.
Here are some of the promises in the OT that Peter called "exceeding
great and precious."
God does not forsake us, or forget his covenant. (Deuteronomy 4:31)
God reveals what we need to know. (Deuteronomy 29:29)
God never breaks his covenant. (Judges 2:1)
God hears when we call to him. (Psalm 4:3)
God preserves his word. (Psalm 12:6-7)
God guides the meek. (Psalm 25:9)
God delivers those who care for the poor. (Psalm 41:1-2)
God guides us always. (Psalm 48:14)
After death, glory. (Psalm 73:24)
God preserves the souls of his saints. (Psalm 97:10)
God heals all our diseases. (Psalm 103:2-4)
God preserves those that love him. (Psalm 145:20)
God heals the brokenhearted. (Psalm 147:2-3)
The children of the saints are blessed. (Psalm 147:12-13)
God gives wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. (Proverbs 2:6)
God destroys the wisdom of the wise. (Isaiah 29:13-14)
All flesh will see the glory of God. (Isaiah 40:5)
God refines us in the furnace of affliction. (Isaiah 48:3-10)
God heals us. (Isaiah 57:16-19)
God turns our darkness to light. (Isaiah 58:10-12)
God answers even before we ask. (Isaiah 65:24)
God heals the backsliders. (Jeremiah 3:21-22)
God loves judgment and lovingkindness. (Jeremiah 9:23-24)
God writes his law on our heart. (Jeremiah 31:33-34)
All Israel will know God. (Jeremiah 31:33-34)
God forgives our iniquity. (Jeremiah 31:33-34)
His covenant is everlasting. (Ezekiel 37:26-2
God heals those who return to him. (Hosea 6:1)
God reveals his secrets. (Amos 3:7)
God refines us as silver. (Zechariah 13:9)
God purifies the sons of Levi. (Malachi 3:1-3)
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Zadok
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: Great promises |
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"Doug" <religionist nutcase> wrote in message ...
| Quote: | The apostle Peter said "exceeding great and precious promises" are given
to those who believe the gospel.
2 Peter 1:2-5
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By: Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
The rejection of Peter as the writer of 2 Peter is by far the most common
opinion today.
In fact, the view of the pseudonymity of the epistle is almost universal.
Yet, Dougie the idiot, continues to quote the fake.
And thus his whole post is nothing but BULL!!
Smile. |
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Doug
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:15 am Post subject: Re: Great promises |
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Zadok wrote:
| Quote: | "Doug" <religionist nutcase> wrote in message ...
The apostle Peter said "exceeding great and precious promises" are given
to those who believe the gospel.
2 Peter 1:2-5
By: Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
The rejection of Peter as the writer of 2 Peter is by far the most common
opinion today.
In fact, the view of the pseudonymity of the epistle is almost universal.
Yet, Dougie the idiot, continues to quote the fake.
And thus his whole post is nothing but BULL!!
Smile.
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Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
Wayne Stiles serves as the Executive Vice President and Chief Content
Officer at Insight for Living. He received his Master of Theology and
Doctor of Ministry degrees from Dallas Theological Seminary.
Does not seem to be a very credible source to me. The school that
awarded him his degrees was Dallas Theological Seminary. I think all the
faculty at that school have to accept some creed that affirms their
belief in Dispensationalism!
The likely reason 2 Peter is not mentioned by many of the early
Christian authors is because those same writers were the ones Peter was
referring to in the 2nd chapter of his epistle. Peter wrote about false
teachers among the people, who would bring in "damnable heresies." Of
course, guilty individuals would detest Peter's epistle, so it is no
wonder they ignored it.
These false teachers introduced pagan views from Plato and other
philosophers. Plato believed in the immortality of the soul. They merged
those pagan beliefs with the teachings of the NT, and corrupted the
gospel, and fulfilled the prophecy about the sun being turned to
darkness, that Peter mentioned in his speech on the day of Pentecost.
(See Acts 2:20) The sun clothes the woman in heaven in the prophecy of
Revelation 12:1, so it represents the gospel. It was "turned to
darkness" by false teachings introduced by church fathers, just as Peter
had foretold in 2 Peter 2.
Gullible modern scholars have noticed that 2 Peter was ignored for
several centuries, and so they concluded it was not genuine. Zadok
exposes his own gullibility by quoting them.
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Doug
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: Re: Great promises |
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Doug wrote:
| Quote: | Zadok wrote:
"Doug" <religionist nutcase> wrote in message ...
The apostle Peter said "exceeding great and precious promises" are given
to those who believe the gospel.
2 Peter 1:2-5
By: Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
The rejection of Peter as the writer of 2 Peter is by far the most common
opinion today.
In fact, the view of the pseudonymity of the epistle is almost universal.
Yet, Dougie the idiot, continues to quote the fake.
And thus his whole post is nothing but BULL!!
Smile.
Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
Wayne Stiles serves as the Executive Vice President and Chief Content
Officer at Insight for Living. He received his Master of Theology and
Doctor of Ministry degrees from Dallas Theological Seminary.
Does not seem to be a very credible source to me. The school that
awarded him his degrees was Dallas Theological Seminary. I think all the
faculty at that school have to accept some creed that affirms their
belief in Dispensationalism!
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Actually the article by Stiles on 2 Peter seems to support its authenticity.
Is 2 Peter Peter’s?
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=708
--------<begin quote>-------
It may be conclusively stated that there is no definitive evidence
against the authenticity of 2 Peter in spite of the fact that the
majority of scholarship today rejects apostolic authorship. The external
evidence, while not proving authenticity, neither disproves it, for the
evidence provides twenty-two possible usages of 2 Peter. The internal
evidence, particularly the personal allusions to Peter’s life, clearly
means to communicate that the author is Peter. The issues regarding
history, doctrine, and style are, again, not conclusively against
Petrine authorship, but on the contrary, may be used to support it. Each
historical problem has a viable solution which harmonizes with Peter’s
hand, and the issues of doctrine and style can be attributed naturally
to purpose and Peter’s use of an amanuensis.
The more difficult position to defend is for the adherents of
pseudonymity, not for the traditional authorship view. At the time of 2
Peter’s canonization, the practice of pseudonymity was scorned and had
not one example of New Testament usage, while the canonical books were
only admitted after careful scrutiny of genuineness. That 2 Peter was
admitted validates both its authenticity and its non-pseudonymity.
--------<end quote>-------
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The likely reason 2 Peter is not mentioned by many of the early
Christian authors is because those same writers were the ones Peter was
referring to in the 2nd chapter of his epistle. Peter wrote about false
teachers among the people, who would bring in "damnable heresies." Of
course, guilty individuals would detest Peter's epistle, so it is no
wonder they ignored it.
These false teachers introduced pagan views from Plato and other
philosophers. Plato believed in the immortality of the soul. They merged
those pagan beliefs with the teachings of the NT, and corrupted the
gospel, and fulfilled the prophecy about the sun being turned to
darkness, that Peter mentioned in his speech on the day of Pentecost.
(See Acts 2:20) The sun clothes the woman in heaven in the prophecy of
Revelation 12:1, so it represents the gospel. It was "turned to
darkness" by false teachings introduced by church fathers, just as Peter
had foretold in 2 Peter 2.
Gullible modern scholars have noticed that 2 Peter was ignored for
several centuries, and so they concluded it was not genuine. Zadok
exposes his own gullibility by quoting them.
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Zadok
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: Re: Great promises |
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"Doug" <> wrote in message ...
| Quote: | Zadok wrote:
"Doug" <religionist nutcase> wrote in message ...
The apostle Peter said "exceeding great and precious promises" are
given
to those who believe the gospel.
2 Peter 1:2-5
By: Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
The rejection of Peter as the writer of 2 Peter is by far the most
common
opinion today.
In fact, the view of the pseudonymity of the epistle is almost
universal.
Yet, Dougie the idiot, continues to quote the fake.
And thus his whole post is nothing but BULL!!
Smile.
Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
Wayne Stiles serves as the Executive Vice President and Chief Content
Officer at Insight for Living. He received his Master of Theology and
Doctor of Ministry degrees from Dallas Theological Seminary.
Does not seem to be a very credible source to me.
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Then try this dear -
By: Daniel B. Wallace , Th.M., Ph.D
From one perspective, this short epistle is the most disputed book in the NT
canon as to authenticity. From another, the issue of authorship is already
settled, at least negatively: the apostle Peter did not write this letter.
The vast bulk of NT scholars adopts this second perspective without much
discussion.
WOW. first you have Stiles (who by the way, was writing in defence of 2
Peter), which in turn shows what an idiot you are.
And Dr. Wallace was also writing in defence of 2 Peter.
However, as learned scholars, both admit, that 2 Peter is veiwed as not
being by Peter, by the VAST MAJORITY of NT scholars.
Further dear, read Eusebius 3, 3 -
These then are the works attributed to Peter, of which I have recognized
only one epistle as AUTHENTIC AND ACCEPTED BY THE EARLY FATHERS.
Now your job, clown, is show us any early church father that accepted 2
Peter.
Or not. IF YOU HAVE NOTHING!!
I'll make a bet.
You come back with NOTHING!!
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Carl
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:53 am Post subject: Zadok's ignorance & arrogance of Biblical canonicity on disp |
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And we see zadok continue to hold on to his ignorant notion that 2 Peter
should not be accepted as canon. Even considering centuries of Christian
scholars much more intelligent than zadok accepting 2 Peter as Biblical
canon, zadok ignorantly and arrogantly calls it a "fake" and removes it from
his personally edited "Bible" (if one can still call only 8 or less
zadok-edited books a "Bible").
But that's not all of what zadok rejects. Let's take a look at what else he
rejects based upon his own words posted on Usenet newsgroups.
Zadok makes it quite clear he rejects most of the Bible. As a result he is
merely another heretic in a long line of heretics. He will suffer the
consequences if he does not repent so says Scripture.
He admits to rejecting John 1:1.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his
glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of
grace and truth.
He admits to rejecting John the Baptist & John 1:16,17.
From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after
another. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through
Jesus Christ.
He admits to rejecting Acts 4:33.
With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of
the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all.
He admits to rejecting Romans 5:15.
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass
of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the
grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
He admits to rejecting Philemon 1:25.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.
He admits to rejecting Revelation 1:4,5.
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and
from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the
faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of
the earth.
He admits to rejecting Revelation 22:21.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people.
Zadok stated clearly, "I reject any books not written by an apostle" He
tried to explain it away by claiming we were discussing only the New
Testament however the fact remains we were discussing the Bible in totality
(e.g. -- Old Testament AND New Testament) therefore when he made his
statement "I reject any books not written by an apostle" and since he KNEW
at the time we were discussing the OT & the NT the only logical and rational
conclusion is that zadok rejects the entire Old Testament, the book of Mark
(since it's attributed to Mark, a cousin of Barnabas), the book of Luke,
Acts, the Epistle to the Romans, the First & Second Epistles to the
Corinthians, the Epistle to the Galatians, the Epistle to the Ephesians,
Epistle to the Philippians, the Epistle to the Colossians, the First &
Second Epistles to the Thessalonians, the First & Second Epistles to
Timothy, the Epistle to Titus, the Epistle to Philemon, the Epistle to the
Hebrews, 2 Peter, and even though John wrote it, apparently Zadok reject
Revelation as well.
All that's left in Zadok's personally edited, cafeteria-style chosen verse
inclusion (e.g. -- a couple here, some from there, a few more from there,
etc.) is Matthew, John (although since he rejects Revelation he probably
rejects John as well in order to be consistent), the Epistle of James, the
First Epistle of Peter, the First, Second, & Third Epistles of John and the
Epistle of Jude. However since the Epistle of James is traditionally
attributed as being written by James, brother of Jesus and Jude Thomas and
the Epistle of Jude is traditionally ascribed to Jude Thomas, brother of
Jesus and James, Zadok may reject those as well depending upon if he
considers James & Jude Thomas apostles or not.
So the 66 books in the Bible that have been accepted as canon by Christians
for centuries has mostly been rejected by Zadok whose personal "bible" is 8
books or less. And even those 8 books are viscerated by Zadok's personal
choice to reject portions of even those books that oppose his worldly and
unholy views of such Godly things as Grace, Love, Joy, Peace, etc.
In short, Zadok rejects God's Word. This explains why he lacks any grace,
joy, peace, longsuffering, etc. and exhibits anger, bitterness, hatred, a
short temper and other attributes which God does not want Christians to
display.
Zadok's heart is quite hardened and dark and is also completely devoid of
the Holy Spirit. He has shown himself conclusively to be a heretic and since
he has been indeed warned properly according to Scripture yet refuses all
proper, Biblical correction, Christians should not have anything further to
do with him. Zadok's fate is dire unless he repents according to God's Word.
I beseech all of my Christian brothers and sisters to pray for Zadok and
continue to keep him in your prayers no matter how insulting, crude and rude
he becomes in his posts.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/ |
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"Doug" <Relisionist idiot> wrote in message ...
| Quote: | Does not seem to be a very credible source to me. The school that
awarded him his degrees was Dallas Theological Seminary. I think all the
faculty at that school have to accept some creed that affirms their
belief in Dispensationalism!
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First he shoots his ignorant mouth off, knocking the author.
But then, God forbid, he must have read the article.
| Quote: | Actually the article by Stiles on 2 Peter seems to support its
authenticity. |
| Quote: | It may be conclusively stated that there is no definitive evidence
against the authenticity of 2 Peter in spite of the fact that the
majority of scholarship today rejects apostolic authorship.
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WOW!! The majority of scholarship today rejects apostolic authorship!!
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Zadok wrote:
| Quote: | "Doug" <> wrote in message ...
Zadok wrote:
"Doug" <religionist nutcase> wrote in message ...
The apostle Peter said "exceeding great and precious promises" are
given
to those who believe the gospel.
2 Peter 1:2-5
By: Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
The rejection of Peter as the writer of 2 Peter is by far the most
common
opinion today.
In fact, the view of the pseudonymity of the epistle is almost
universal.
Yet, Dougie the idiot, continues to quote the fake.
And thus his whole post is nothing but BULL!!
Smile.
Wayne Stiles , Th.M., D.Min.
Wayne Stiles serves as the Executive Vice President and Chief Content
Officer at Insight for Living. He received his Master of Theology and
Doctor of Ministry degrees from Dallas Theological Seminary.
Does not seem to be a very credible source to me.
Then try this dear -
By: Daniel B. Wallace , Th.M., Ph.D
From one perspective, this short epistle is the most disputed book in the NT
canon as to authenticity. From another, the issue of authorship is already
settled, at least negatively: the apostle Peter did not write this letter.
The vast bulk of NT scholars adopts this second perspective without much
discussion.
WOW. first you have Stiles (who by the way, was writing in defence of 2
Peter), which in turn shows what an idiot you are.
And Dr. Wallace was also writing in defence of 2 Peter.
However, as learned scholars, both admit, that 2 Peter is veiwed as not
being by Peter, by the VAST MAJORITY of NT scholars.
Further dear, read Eusebius 3, 3 -
These then are the works attributed to Peter, of which I have recognized
only one epistle as AUTHENTIC AND ACCEPTED BY THE EARLY FATHERS.
Now your job, clown, is show us any early church father that accepted 2
Peter.
Or not. IF YOU HAVE NOTHING!!
I'll make a bet.
You come back with NOTHING!!
Smile.
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I do not rely a whole lot on what the "the vast majority" of the
scholars think.
IMO, the content of Peter's 2nd epistle provides solid evidence that it
was inspired by God.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which
the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall
melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up.
A thief in the night operates silently, when everyone is asleep, and no
one is aware of his presence, and escapes with his loot without a sound.
Only in the morning, when it is too late, the victim discovers the
theft. That is how the Bible says the "day of the Lord" will come.
Who would dispute that the rigid heaven, and the planetary spheres of
Eudoxus, Callipus, and Aristotle have passed away?
http://www.bookrags.com/research/callipus-scit-01123/
No one believes in them any more. They were delusions, that the ancient
world believed in. Who else made as clear and accurate a prediction of
their demise as we find in Peter's 2nd epistle?
The "great noise" is the commotion that arose as a result of the
scientific revolution. Up in space, there can be no "noise," as there is
no air up there, but the "noise" is the loud clamor generated by those
who supposed the discoveries of men of science (i.e., men like Galileo,
Kepler and Newton) discredited both the Church and the Bible. That noise
continues today.
They failed to understand the cosmology of the OT had been deliberately
corrupted, beginning in the 2nd century BC, to support the geocentric
cosmology of the Greeks, as foretold in one of the prophecies of Daniel.
And so after the scientific revolution in astronomy, when the old
cosmology was overthrown, the Bible was discredited. The Catholic Church
mistakenly supported the ancient cosmology. Its leaders were victims of
the fraud of Antiochus IV, who initiated the cosmological revisions,
aided by apostate Jews who admired the culture and religion of the Greeks.
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Don't get your knckers in a knot. The Bibles are just books of myths and
fables.
"Ike4" <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote in message
news:gfvgj9$qvj$1@reader.motzarella.org...
| Quote: | "Doug" <tcc@sentex.net> wrote in message
news:H6adnQzy8auHcL_UnZ2dnUVZ_t_inZ2d@sentex.net...
[snip]
Of course those were the OT scriptures those Jews examined, to see
whether Paul and Silas were speaking the truth. The NT was not written
yet. The promises I have listed are all found in the OT. I suppose
Dispensationalists deny that these promises apply to Christians today.
Which is a lie...
They make a distinction between Israel and the Church, whereas the NT
scriptures say that Christian believers are "made nigh" to the
commonwealth of Israel, and the covenants of promise, by the blood of
Christ, who is the "seed" of Abraham through whom all nations will be
blessed.
WHICH IN NO WAY DISPLACES THE LITERAL ISRAEL, PAST OR FUTURE.
Dispensationalists say the Church age was a new thing, a "parenthesis"
in God's plan.
No, it was a PARALLEL DEVELOPMENT--but their error STILL DOESN'T
SUBSTANTIATE YOUR EVEN WORSE ERRORS.
Hmm..
I wonder which of the promises I listed would they say does NOT apply to
the Church?
I wonder WHICH OF THE PROMISES NO LONGER APPLY TO GOD'S "ISRAEL" (past,
present, or future) since "the gifts and calling of God ARE WITHOUT
REPENTANCE," and the Gentile believers are GRAFTED INTO THE ORIGINAL
ISRAEL, and DON'T "REPLACE THEM," AS YOUR ABOMINABLE DOCTRINES REQUIRE?!?
Ike
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Zadok wrote:
| Quote: | "Doug" <Relisionist idiot> wrote in message ...
Does not seem to be a very credible source to me. The school that
awarded him his degrees was Dallas Theological Seminary. I think all the
faculty at that school have to accept some creed that affirms their
belief in Dispensationalism!
First he shoots his ignorant mouth off, knocking the author.
But then, God forbid, he must have read the article.
Actually the article by Stiles on 2 Peter seems to support its
authenticity.
It may be conclusively stated that there is no definitive evidence
against the authenticity of 2 Peter in spite of the fact that the
majority of scholarship today rejects apostolic authorship.
WOW!! The majority of scholarship today rejects apostolic authorship!!
I don't think anything else need to be said!!
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The Lord said he would give the keys of the kingdom of heaven to Peter:
Matthew 16:18-19
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will
build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and
whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and
whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
And he also said Satan particularly wanted Peter:
Luke 22:31-32
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you,
that he may sift you as wheat:
But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art
converted, strengthen thy brethren.
I think the "keys" that Jesus refers to are not so much connected with
any visit of his to Rome, but are to be found in his epistles, where we
find several references to prophecy. The fundamental principles for
understanding prophecy are contained in his epistles.
So it should be no surprise that Peter's epistle would be disparaged by
scholars, and the enemies of the gospel.
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Zadok
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"Doug" <> wrote in message ...
| Quote: | So it should be no surprise that Peter's epistle would be disparaged by
scholars, and the enemies of the gospel.
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So it should be no surprise that a fake epistle was written by some unknow
auther, to
try and justify Saulus the apostate, the antichrist!!
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