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Born to royalty. Bred to ascend a corrupted Throne of Power.
+Daniel Garguillio rebelled against that which was expected of him and
sought to live his life as a man.
He eliminated the vestiges of Dark Power within him. He took a wife.
He found gainly employ.
And he lived happily ever after.
Then the Dream ended...
Bishop Daniel Garguillio
Sanctuary Occult Investigations
http://www.garguillio.com
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Kori Houghton
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| Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: Get thee behind me, Satan... |
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.....butt please be gentle, begged Bishop Daniel Pussiwillio.
I mean, d00d, the least you can do is video a cage match between you
and Grand Master Block-a-wood. You can bore each other to death, or
something like that. The winner gets to affiliate their organization/
church/temple/whatever with the Satanic Reds.
Luv,
Kori
On Sep 26, 7:30 pm, Bishop Daniel Garguillio
<revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Born to royalty. Bred to ascend a corrupted Throne of Power.
+Daniel Garguillio rebelled against that which was expected of him and
sought to live his life as a man.
He eliminated the vestiges of Dark Power within him. He took a wife.
He found gainly employ.
And he lived happily ever after.
Then the Dream ended...
Bishop Daniel Garguillio
Sanctuary Occult Investigationshttp://www.garguillio.com
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Wanda Tinasky
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| Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: He's Back! |
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Oh my gawd. Daniel/Ron Mershon/Moran whatever. It's rare to see
someone so delusional. "Hell to pay?" Who's pussed out on every
challenge made in alt.satanism? You. Not just a couple -- every-single-
one. Refused to box Filan whom you degraded as a sissyified Mary.
Called out Vince Crowley after he stole your drug-addled, too-young-to-
date woman yet failed to show at another boxing event. I've posted
here since the early 90s and I can't think of anyone who blusters so
much and doesn't follow through on anything (except for perhaps John
Shaw, who admitted his fibs and got on with his life). Not just the
fighting, but purchasing the Black House. Now you're royality? Don't
see your various and sundry names in Burke's Peerage (http://
www.burkes-peerage.net/) or the Italian sites(http://www.regalis.com/
sicpeers.htm or http://www.genealogytoday.com/surname/finder.mv?Surname=Italian).
Being raised LDS, I know a bit about genealogy. And you're a Cathy-
lick priest without a degree? You're such a sad little spastic
attention whore.
Luv,
Wanda
On Sep 26, 4:30 pm, Bishop Daniel Garguillio
<revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Born to royalty. Bred to ascend a corrupted Throne of Power.
+Daniel Garguillio rebelled against that which was expected of him and
sought to live his life as a man.
He eliminated the vestiges of Dark Power within him. He took a wife.
He found gainly employ.
And he lived happily ever after.
Then the Dream ended...
Bishop Daniel Garguillio
Sanctuary Occult Investigationshttp://www.garguillio.com
There's Hell to pay! |
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Wanda Tinasky
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:48 am Post subject: Re: He's Back! |
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And it just gets better. When "Rev.Bishop" Daniel tryed to sell his
fraud in one of the "alt.baltimore" newsgroups with poor results:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox/browse_thread/thread/aba45d943081ca08/7c8fd4f51fbf9e5d?lnk=gst&q=Daniel+Garguillio#7c8fd4f51fbf9e5d
Seems that there are really Orthodox Christians, then there's frauds.
Daniel is a fraud. As Garguillio/Moran has done in the past in
alt.satanism, he threatened to sue those who questioned his veracity.
Bonus points to the Xian homophobes showing themselves to be bigots as
I guess the "Bishop" of Danny Boy's group is an out gay dude.
As an aside, you'd think that Dan would be a bit more skilled in the
hoax department. Perhaps I should give him some lessons, but "pearls
before swine" and all.
Luv,
Rt. Rev. Eparch Wanda Tinasky, DD, DO, DDS, DC, DMD, DSM IV
On Sep 27, 12:32 pm, Wanda Tinasky <wandatina...@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Oh my gawd. Daniel/Ron Mershon/Moran whatever. It's rare to see
someone so delusional. "Hell to pay?" Who's pussed out on every
challenge made in alt.satanism? You. Not just a couple -- every-single-
one. Refused to box Filan whom you degraded as a sissyified Mary.
Called out Vince Crowley after he stole your drug-addled, too-young-to-
date woman yet failed to show at another boxing event. I've posted
here since the early 90s and I can't think of anyone who blusters so
much and doesn't follow through on anything (except for perhaps John
Shaw, who admitted his fibs and got on with his life). Not just the
fighting, but purchasing the Black House. Now you're royality? Don't
see your various and sundry names in Burke's Peerage (http://www.burkes-peerage.net/) or the Italian sites(http://www.regalis.com/
sicpeers.htm orhttp://www.genealogytoday.com/surname/finder.mv?Surname=Italian).
Being raised LDS, I know a bit about genealogy. And you're a Cathy-
lick priest without a degree? You're such a sad little spastic
attention whore.
Luv,
Wanda
On Sep 26, 4:30 pm, Bishop Daniel Garguillio
revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
Born to royalty. Bred to ascend a corrupted Throne of Power.
+Daniel Garguillio rebelled against that which was expected of him and
sought to live his life as a man.
He eliminated the vestiges of Dark Power within him. He took a wife.
He found gainly employ.
And he lived happily ever after.
Then the Dream ended...
Bishop Daniel Garguillio
Sanctuary Occult Investigationshttp://www.garguillio.com
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Bishop Daniel Garguillio
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Harry,
You have a right to your opinion, as do the pseudo-"Orthodox". But the
Vatican has affirmed that Old Catholic Orders are valid, even if they
don't like it.  See below, and look up the source document,
*Dominus Jesus*.
Peace,
+Daniel
http://www.garguillio.com
http://www.catacombparanormal.com
http://www.naoldcatholic.com
*****
Are Old-Catholic Orders Valid?
A reference on the Old Catholic Movement from:
CATHOLIC VISITOR, INC. 1978
(An official publication of the Roman Catholic Church)
Old Catholic - several groups, including: (1) the Church of Utrecht,
which severed relations with Rome in 1724; (2) The National Polish
Church in the U.S., which has its origin near the end of the 19th
century; (3) German, Austrian and Swiss Old Catholics, who broke away
from union with Rome following the First Vatican Council in 1870
because they objected to the dogma of papal infallibility.
The formation of the Old Catholic communion of Germans, Austrians and
Swiss began in 1870 at a public meeting held in Nuremberg under the
leadership of A. Dolinger. Four years later Episcopal succession was
established with ordination of an Old Catholic German bishop by a
prelate of the Church of Utrecht. In line with the "Declaration of
Utrecht" of 1889, they accept the first seven ecumenical councils and
doctrine formulated before 1054, but reject communion with the pope
and a number of other Roman Catholic doctrines and practices. They
have a valid priesthood and valid sacraments. The Oxford Dictionary of
the Christian Church notes that they have recognized Anglican
ordinations since 1925, that they have full communion with the Church
of England since 1932, and have taken part in ordination of Anglican
Bishops.
Published with Ecclesiastical Approval
OUR SUNDAY VISITOR, INC.
Huntington, Indiana 46750
Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith Declaration: Dominus Jesus
An excerpt…
17. Therefore, there exists a single Church of Christ, which subsists
in the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the
Bishops in communion with him. The Churches which, while not existing
in perfect communion with the (Roman) Catholic Church, remain united
to her by means of the closest bonds, that is, by apostolic succession
and a valid Eucharist, are true particular Churches. Therefore, the
Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even
though they lack full communion with the (Roman) Catholic Church…
From the Vatican, August 6, 2000
[1] "When a Catholic sacred minister is unavailable and there is
urgent spiritual necessity, Catholics may receive the Eucharist,
penance, or anointing from sacred ministers of non-Catholic
denomination whose holy orders are considered valid by the Catholic
Church. This includes all Eastern Orthodox priests, as well as priests
of the Old Catholic or Polish National Church." Rights and
Responsibilities, A Catholics' Guide to the New Code of Canon Law,
Thomas P. Doyle, O.P., page 44.
[2] "A validly consecrated bishop can validly confer all orders from
the minor orders to the episcopate inclusively ... For this reason the
ordinations performed by the bishops of the Old Catholics are consider
valid." A Practical Commentary on the Code of Canon Law, revised and
enlarged edition, by Rev. Stanislaw Woywod, OFM, LLB. Vol. 1, Sec. 881
P. 558.
[3] "They [Old Catholics] have received valid orders." Roman Catholic
Dictionary, by Addison Arnold.
[4] "The Old Catholic Church has received valid episcopal
consecration", Christian Denominations, by Rev. Konrad Algemissen.
[5] "Their [Old Catholic] Orders and Sacraments are valid." A Catholic
Dictionary, by Donald Attwater.
[6] "The Far East Magazine of June, 1928, published by the Saint
Columban Fathers of St. Columbans, Nebraska, in reply to any inquiry
about the Old Catholic Church, published the reply that: "These [Old
Catholics] Orders are valid."
[7] "The Roman Church recognizes the validity of Old Catholic Orders
and other Sacraments." 1974 Catholic Almanac, by Felician A. Roy, OFM,
page 368. "Our Sunday Visitor."
[8] "We have no reason to doubt that the Old Catholic Orders are
valid. The Apostolic Succession does not depend on obedience to the
See of Peter but rather on the objective line of succession from
Apostolic sources, the proper matter and form, and the proper
intention ... likewise Old Catholic bishops are bishops in Apostolic
Succession ... The Old Catholics, like the Orthodox, posses a valid
priesthood." Separated Brethren, William J. Whalen, pp. 204, 248.
[9] (Apostolicae Curae) "...Whenever there is no appearance of
simulation on the part of the minister, the validity of the sacrament
is sufficiently certain ... "
[10] “Every validly consecrated bishop, including heretical,
schismatic, simonistic or excommunicated bishops, can validly dispense
the Sacrament of Order, provided that he has the requisite intention,
and follows the essential external rite (set. Certa). Cf. D 855, 860;
CIC 2372.” 1952 Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Dr. Ludwig Ott, pp.
456.
[These sources were printed with the imprimatur of various Roman
Catholic Bishops] |
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Kori Houghton
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: He's Back! |
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On Sep 29, 4:18 pm, Bishop Daniel Garguillio
<revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Harry,
You have a right to your opinion, as do the pseudo-"Orthodox". But the
Vatican has affirmed that Old Catholic Orders are valid, even if they
don't like it. See below, and look up the source document,
*Dominus Jesus*.
Peace,
+Danielhttp://www.garguillio.comhttp://www.catacombparanormal.comhttp://www.naoldcatholic.com
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Really? I suppose the Vatican d00ds in their lacy dresses and funny
hats are down with a 'bishop' trolling VampireFreaks for 'goth girls'
and a documented history as a well-known wanna be Satanist, Thelemite,
and hot-to-trot Lothario for the barely-legal set? Maybe someone
should contact the Catholic officials in the Baltimore area and see
what they have to say. Like, seriously, there is no shortage of
regular Catholic types in your area to assume all needed priestly
duties. You're nothing but a parasite, Ronnie. Grasping for any
obscure technicality which will allow you to (mis)represent yourself
as some kind of spiritual leader for a group which would want no part
of you....if you were big enough for their legitimate leaders to even
notice you exist.
Swat. Squish. Flush.
Kori
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*****
Are Old-Catholic Orders Valid?
A reference on the Old Catholic Movement from:
CATHOLIC VISITOR, INC. 1978
(An official publication of the Roman Catholic Church)
Old Catholic - several groups, including: (1) the Church of Utrecht,
which severed relations with Rome in 1724; (2) The National Polish
Church in the U.S., which has its origin near the end of the 19th
century; (3) German, Austrian and Swiss Old Catholics, who broke away
from union with Rome following the First Vatican Council in 1870
because they objected to the dogma of papal infallibility.
The formation of the Old Catholic communion of Germans, Austrians and
Swiss began in 1870 at a public meeting held in Nuremberg under the
leadership of A. Dolinger. Four years later Episcopal succession was
established with ordination of an Old Catholic German bishop by a
prelate of the Church of Utrecht. In line with the "Declaration of
Utrecht" of 1889, they accept the first seven ecumenical councils and
doctrine formulated before 1054, but reject communion with the pope
and a number of other Roman Catholic doctrines and practices. They
have a valid priesthood and valid sacraments. The Oxford Dictionary of
the Christian Church notes that they have recognized Anglican
ordinations since 1925, that they have full communion with the Church
of England since 1932, and have taken part in ordination of Anglican
Bishops.
Published with Ecclesiastical Approval
OUR SUNDAY VISITOR, INC.
Huntington, Indiana 46750
Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith Declaration: Dominus Jesus
An excerpt…
17. Therefore, there exists a single Church of Christ, which subsists
in the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the
Bishops in communion with him. The Churches which, while not existing
in perfect communion with the (Roman) Catholic Church, remain united
to her by means of the closest bonds, that is, by apostolic succession
and a valid Eucharist, are true particular Churches. Therefore, the
Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even
though they lack full communion with the (Roman) Catholic Church…
From the Vatican, August 6, 2000
[1] "When a Catholic sacred minister is unavailable and there is
urgent spiritual necessity, Catholics may receive the Eucharist,
penance, or anointing from sacred ministers of non-Catholic
denomination whose holy orders are considered valid by the Catholic
Church. This includes all Eastern Orthodox priests, as well as priests
of the Old Catholic or Polish National Church." Rights and
Responsibilities, A Catholics' Guide to the New Code of Canon Law,
Thomas P. Doyle, O.P., page 44.
[2] "A validly consecrated bishop can validly confer all orders from
the minor orders to the episcopate inclusively ... For this reason the
ordinations performed by the bishops of the Old Catholics are consider
valid." A Practical Commentary on the Code of Canon Law, revised and
enlarged edition, by Rev. Stanislaw Woywod, OFM, LLB. Vol. 1, Sec. 881
P. 558.
[3] "They [Old Catholics] have received valid orders." Roman Catholic
Dictionary, by Addison Arnold.
[4] "The Old Catholic Church has received valid episcopal
consecration", Christian Denominations, by Rev. Konrad Algemissen.
[5] "Their [Old Catholic] Orders and Sacraments are valid." A Catholic
Dictionary, by Donald Attwater.
[6] "The Far East Magazine of June, 1928, published by the Saint
Columban Fathers of St. Columbans, Nebraska, in reply to any inquiry
about the Old Catholic Church, published the reply that: "These [Old
Catholics] Orders are valid."
[7] "The Roman Church recognizes the validity of Old Catholic Orders
and other Sacraments." 1974 Catholic Almanac, by Felician A. Roy, OFM,
page 368. "Our Sunday Visitor."
[8] "We have no reason to doubt that the Old Catholic Orders are
valid. The Apostolic Succession does not depend on obedience to the
See of Peter but rather on the objective line of succession from
Apostolic sources, the proper matter and form, and the proper
intention ... likewise Old Catholic bishops are bishops in Apostolic
Succession ... The Old Catholics, like the Orthodox, posses a valid
priesthood." Separated Brethren, William J. Whalen, pp. 204, 248.
[9] (Apostolicae Curae) "...Whenever there is no appearance of
simulation on the part of the minister, the validity of the sacrament
is sufficiently certain ... "
[10] “Every validly consecrated bishop, including heretical,
schismatic, simonistic or excommunicated bishops, can validly dispense
the Sacrament of Order, provided that he has the requisite intention,
and follows the essential external rite (set. Certa). Cf. D 855, 860;
CIC 2372.” 1952 Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Dr. Ludwig Ott, pp.
456.
[These sources were printed with the imprimatur of various Roman
Catholic Bishops] |
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Wanda Tinasky
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Hey Dan-Ron:
On Sep 29, 1:18 pm, Bishop Daniel Garguillio
<revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Harry,
You have a right to your opinion, as do the pseudo-"Orthodox". But the
Vatican has affirmed that Old Catholic Orders are valid, even if they
don't like it. See below, and look up the source document,
*Dominus Jesus*.
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Oh gee, thanks I'll be able to sleep well now that I, ahem, have your
"permission" to believe whatever I want.
Old Catholic orders may be valid to traditional Catholics, but you
don't belong to a legit order as stated in the article you cite.
Likewise, you haven't graduated from a seminary (or hold a degree of
any kind despite falsely claiming a PhD from John Hopkins in
alt.satanism). For those with undergraduate and graduate degrees,
lying about such easily checked claims as evidence of a pathetically
insecure person with no sense of self. (The least you could do is buy
a sheepskin from a diploma mill like our latest fun diversion,
Curio.)
Why would a true Orthodox Christian post in the *alt.satanism*
newsgroup? Why would you vie for any bits of attention from avowed
Satanists and/or atheists? You claim no conversion experience and
aver to be some ridiculous Bishop with silly hats, goth makeup, and
hoop skirts? As I posted earlier, people who examined your claims
about being orthodox shot these down and called you a heretic. Is it
attention at any price Dan-Ron?
Dan-Ron you're an embarrassment just like Allee, Tani, and
BlackPeckerwood are. You reap nothing but scorn from regular posters
in alt.satanism. Carry on.
Luv,
Wanda
| Quote: |
Peace,
+Danielhttp://www.garguillio.comhttp://www.catacombparanormal.comhttp://www.naoldcatholic.com
*****
Are Old-Catholic Orders Valid?
A reference on the Old Catholic Movement from:
CATHOLIC VISITOR, INC. 1978
(An official publication of the Roman Catholic Church)
Old Catholic - several groups, including: (1) the Church of Utrecht,
which severed relations with Rome in 1724; (2) The National Polish
Church in the U.S., which has its origin near the end of the 19th
century; (3) German, Austrian and Swiss Old Catholics, who broke away
from union with Rome following the First Vatican Council in 1870
because they objected to the dogma of papal infallibility.
The formation of the Old Catholic communion of Germans, Austrians and
Swiss began in 1870 at a public meeting held in Nuremberg under the
leadership of A. Dolinger. Four years later Episcopal succession was
established with ordination of an Old Catholic German bishop by a
prelate of the Church of Utrecht. In line with the "Declaration of
Utrecht" of 1889, they accept the first seven ecumenical councils and
doctrine formulated before 1054, but reject communion with the pope
and a number of other Roman Catholic doctrines and practices. They
have a valid priesthood and valid sacraments. The Oxford Dictionary of
the Christian Church notes that they have recognized Anglican
ordinations since 1925, that they have full communion with the Church
of England since 1932, and have taken part in ordination of Anglican
Bishops.
Published with Ecclesiastical Approval
OUR SUNDAY VISITOR, INC.
Huntington, Indiana 46750
Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith Declaration: Dominus Jesus
An excerpt…
17. Therefore, there exists a single Church of Christ, which subsists
in the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the
Bishops in communion with him. The Churches which, while not existing
in perfect communion with the (Roman) Catholic Church, remain united
to her by means of the closest bonds, that is, by apostolic succession
and a valid Eucharist, are true particular Churches. Therefore, the
Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even
though they lack full communion with the (Roman) Catholic Church…
From the Vatican, August 6, 2000
[1] "When a Catholic sacred minister is unavailable and there is
urgent spiritual necessity, Catholics may receive the Eucharist,
penance, or anointing from sacred ministers of non-Catholic
denomination whose holy orders are considered valid by the Catholic
Church. This includes all Eastern Orthodox priests, as well as priests
of the Old Catholic or Polish National Church." Rights and
Responsibilities, A Catholics' Guide to the New Code of Canon Law,
Thomas P. Doyle, O.P., page 44.
[2] "A validly consecrated bishop can validly confer all orders from
the minor orders to the episcopate inclusively ... For this reason the
ordinations performed by the bishops of the Old Catholics are consider
valid." A Practical Commentary on the Code of Canon Law, revised and
enlarged edition, by Rev. Stanislaw Woywod, OFM, LLB. Vol. 1, Sec. 881
P. 558.
[3] "They [Old Catholics] have received valid orders." Roman Catholic
Dictionary, by Addison Arnold.
[4] "The Old Catholic Church has received valid episcopal
consecration", Christian Denominations, by Rev. Konrad Algemissen.
[5] "Their [Old Catholic] Orders and Sacraments are valid." A Catholic
Dictionary, by Donald Attwater.
[6] "The Far East Magazine of June, 1928, published by the Saint
Columban Fathers of St. Columbans, Nebraska, in reply to any inquiry
about the Old Catholic Church, published the reply that: "These [Old
Catholics] Orders are valid."
[7] "The Roman Church recognizes the validity of Old Catholic Orders
and other Sacraments." 1974 Catholic Almanac, by Felician A. Roy, OFM,
page 368. "Our Sunday Visitor."
[8] "We have no reason to doubt that the Old Catholic Orders are
valid. The Apostolic Succession does not depend on obedience to the
See of Peter but rather on the objective line of succession from
Apostolic sources, the proper matter and form, and the proper
intention ... likewise Old Catholic bishops are bishops in Apostolic
Succession ... The Old Catholics, like the Orthodox, posses a valid
priesthood." Separated Brethren, William J. Whalen, pp. 204, 248.
[9] (Apostolicae Curae) "...Whenever there is no appearance of
simulation on the part of the minister, the validity of the sacrament
is sufficiently certain ... "
[10] “Every validly consecrated bishop, including heretical,
schismatic, simonistic or excommunicated bishops, can validly dispense
the Sacrament of Order, provided that he has the requisite intention,
and follows the essential external rite (set. Certa). Cf. D 855, 860;
CIC 2372.” 1952 Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Dr. Ludwig Ott, pp.
456.
[These sources were printed with the imprimatur of various Roman
Catholic Bishops] |
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Excuse me, but MANY people appreciate the DDocs and are very thankful that
me and others made these available. I could care less what scorn you put on
it, or on me. I don't make ANY claims to big titles - I don't even call
myself a "religious leader." I'm not. I also don't want to be one. So
don't go lumping me in with various and sundry satanists, Harry. Leave me
out of it. Forget me.
"Wanda Tinasky" <wandatinasky@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bcbedcc7-1d48-463f-bc54-7cc7cfd32001@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Hey Dan-Ron:
On Sep 29, 1:18 pm, Bishop Daniel Garguillio
<revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Harry,
You have a right to your opinion, as do the pseudo-"Orthodox". But the
Vatican has affirmed that Old Catholic Orders are valid, even if they
don't like it. See below, and look up the source document,
*Dominus Jesus*.
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Oh gee, thanks I'll be able to sleep well now that I, ahem, have your
"permission" to believe whatever I want.
Old Catholic orders may be valid to traditional Catholics, but you
don't belong to a legit order as stated in the article you cite.
Likewise, you haven't graduated from a seminary (or hold a degree of
any kind despite falsely claiming a PhD from John Hopkins in
alt.satanism). For those with undergraduate and graduate degrees,
lying about such easily checked claims as evidence of a pathetically
insecure person with no sense of self. (The least you could do is buy
a sheepskin from a diploma mill like our latest fun diversion,
Curio.)
Why would a true Orthodox Christian post in the *alt.satanism*
newsgroup? Why would you vie for any bits of attention from avowed
Satanists and/or atheists? You claim no conversion experience and
aver to be some ridiculous Bishop with silly hats, goth makeup, and
hoop skirts? As I posted earlier, people who examined your claims
about being orthodox shot these down and called you a heretic. Is it
attention at any price Dan-Ron?
Dan-Ron you're an embarrassment just like Allee, Tani, and
BlackPeckerwood are. You reap nothing but scorn from regular posters
in alt.satanism. Carry on.
Luv,
Wanda
| Quote: |
Peace,
+Danielhttp://www.garguillio.comhttp://www.catacombparanormal.comhttp://www.naoldcatholic.com
*****
Are Old-Catholic Orders Valid?
A reference on the Old Catholic Movement from:
CATHOLIC VISITOR, INC. 1978
(An official publication of the Roman Catholic Church)
Old Catholic - several groups, including: (1) the Church of Utrecht,
which severed relations with Rome in 1724; (2) The National Polish
Church in the U.S., which has its origin near the end of the 19th
century; (3) German, Austrian and Swiss Old Catholics, who broke away
from union with Rome following the First Vatican Council in 1870
because they objected to the dogma of papal infallibility.
The formation of the Old Catholic communion of Germans, Austrians and
Swiss began in 1870 at a public meeting held in Nuremberg under the
leadership of A. Dolinger. Four years later Episcopal succession was
established with ordination of an Old Catholic German bishop by a
prelate of the Church of Utrecht. In line with the "Declaration of
Utrecht" of 1889, they accept the first seven ecumenical councils and
doctrine formulated before 1054, but reject communion with the pope
and a number of other Roman Catholic doctrines and practices. They
have a valid priesthood and valid sacraments. The Oxford Dictionary of
the Christian Church notes that they have recognized Anglican
ordinations since 1925, that they have full communion with the Church
of England since 1932, and have taken part in ordination of Anglican
Bishops.
Published with Ecclesiastical Approval
OUR SUNDAY VISITOR, INC.
Huntington, Indiana 46750
Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith Declaration: Dominus Jesus
An excerpt…
17. Therefore, there exists a single Church of Christ, which subsists
in the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the
Bishops in communion with him. The Churches which, while not existing
in perfect communion with the (Roman) Catholic Church, remain united
to her by means of the closest bonds, that is, by apostolic succession
and a valid Eucharist, are true particular Churches. Therefore, the
Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even
though they lack full communion with the (Roman) Catholic Church…
From the Vatican, August 6, 2000
[1] "When a Catholic sacred minister is unavailable and there is
urgent spiritual necessity, Catholics may receive the Eucharist,
penance, or anointing from sacred ministers of non-Catholic
denomination whose holy orders are considered valid by the Catholic
Church. This includes all Eastern Orthodox priests, as well as priests
of the Old Catholic or Polish National Church." Rights and
Responsibilities, A Catholics' Guide to the New Code of Canon Law,
Thomas P. Doyle, O.P., page 44.
[2] "A validly consecrated bishop can validly confer all orders from
the minor orders to the episcopate inclusively ... For this reason the
ordinations performed by the bishops of the Old Catholics are consider
valid." A Practical Commentary on the Code of Canon Law, revised and
enlarged edition, by Rev. Stanislaw Woywod, OFM, LLB. Vol. 1, Sec. 881
P. 558.
[3] "They [Old Catholics] have received valid orders." Roman Catholic
Dictionary, by Addison Arnold.
[4] "The Old Catholic Church has received valid episcopal
consecration", Christian Denominations, by Rev. Konrad Algemissen.
[5] "Their [Old Catholic] Orders and Sacraments are valid." A Catholic
Dictionary, by Donald Attwater.
[6] "The Far East Magazine of June, 1928, published by the Saint
Columban Fathers of St. Columbans, Nebraska, in reply to any inquiry
about the Old Catholic Church, published the reply that: "These [Old
Catholics] Orders are valid."
[7] "The Roman Church recognizes the validity of Old Catholic Orders
and other Sacraments." 1974 Catholic Almanac, by Felician A. Roy, OFM,
page 368. "Our Sunday Visitor."
[8] "We have no reason to doubt that the Old Catholic Orders are
valid. The Apostolic Succession does not depend on obedience to the
See of Peter but rather on the objective line of succession from
Apostolic sources, the proper matter and form, and the proper
intention ... likewise Old Catholic bishops are bishops in Apostolic
Succession ... The Old Catholics, like the Orthodox, posses a valid
priesthood." Separated Brethren, William J. Whalen, pp. 204, 248.
[9] (Apostolicae Curae) "...Whenever there is no appearance of
simulation on the part of the minister, the validity of the sacrament
is sufficiently certain ... "
[10] “Every validly consecrated bishop, including heretical,
schismatic, simonistic or excommunicated bishops, can validly dispense
the Sacrament of Order, provided that he has the requisite intention,
and follows the essential external rite (set. Certa). Cf. D 855, 860;
CIC 2372.” 1952 Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Dr. Ludwig Ott, pp.
456.
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Wanda Tinasky
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Hey Tani:
All this time I thought I was "killfiled."
Nice to see you're still stung when I express my opinion about you and
the few nutters that that pay for your "monographs." If you didn't
have such a fragile ego, you wouldn't respond no matter what I write
about you, natch. Note that Egan and Blackwood didn't respond, just
you and Ron. Nice company you're keeping these days... Lumping you
with satanists in *alt.satanism*? How dare I.
For my entertainment, you need to spend more time debating with
dh@dumbfuck.org, I think you're both made for each other. Perhaps he
can fill the space vacated by me and ol' ass-cancer Gerbiler. He
really is an obsessed idiot, maybe you can turn him out like Brendan
and Jason (if they're not the same dude). Sometimes he even makes you
look rational and, dare I say, smart. Funny he tought I was a chick.
Luv,
Wanda
On Sep 30, 7:34 am, "Comm" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Excuse me, but MANY people appreciate the DDocs and are very thankful that
me and others made these available. I could care less what scorn you put on
it, or on me. I don't make ANY claims to big titles - I don't even call
myself a "religious leader." I'm not. I also don't want to be one. So
don't go lumping me in with various and sundry satanists, Harry. Leave me
out of it. Forget me.
"Wanda Tinasky" <wandatina...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bcbedcc7-1d48-463f-bc54-7cc7cfd32001@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Hey Dan-Ron:
On Sep 29, 1:18 pm, Bishop Daniel Garguillio
revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
Harry,
You have a right to your opinion, as do the pseudo-"Orthodox". But the
Vatican has affirmed that Old Catholic Orders are valid, even if they
don't like it. See below, and look up the source document,
*Dominus Jesus*.
Oh gee, thanks I'll be able to sleep well now that I, ahem, have your
"permission" to believe whatever I want.
Old Catholic orders may be valid to traditional Catholics, but you
don't belong to a legit order as stated in the article you cite.
Likewise, you haven't graduated from a seminary (or hold a degree of
any kind despite falsely claiming a PhD from John Hopkins in
alt.satanism). For those with undergraduate and graduate degrees,
lying about such easily checked claims as evidence of a pathetically
insecure person with no sense of self. (The least you could do is buy
a sheepskin from a diploma mill like our latest fun diversion,
Curio.)
Why would a true Orthodox Christian post in the *alt.satanism*
newsgroup? Why would you vie for any bits of attention from avowed
Satanists and/or atheists? You claim no conversion experience and
aver to be some ridiculous Bishop with silly hats, goth makeup, and
hoop skirts? As I posted earlier, people who examined your claims
about being orthodox shot these down and called you a heretic. Is it
attention at any price Dan-Ron?
Dan-Ron you're an embarrassment just like Allee, Tani, and
BlackPeckerwood are. You reap nothing but scorn from regular posters
in alt.satanism. Carry on.
Luv,
Wanda
Peace,
+Danielhttp://www.garguillio.comhttp://www.catacombparanormal.comhttp://www....
*****
Are Old-Catholic Orders Valid?
A reference on the Old Catholic Movement from:
CATHOLIC VISITOR, INC. 1978
(An official publication of the Roman Catholic Church)
Old Catholic - several groups, including: (1) the Church of Utrecht,
which severed relations with Rome in 1724; (2) The National Polish
Church in the U.S., which has its origin near the end of the 19th
century; (3) German, Austrian and Swiss Old Catholics, who broke away
from union with Rome following the First Vatican Council in 1870
because they objected to the dogma of papal infallibility.
The formation of the Old Catholic communion of Germans, Austrians and
Swiss began in 1870 at a public meeting held in Nuremberg under the
leadership of A. Dolinger. Four years later Episcopal succession was
established with ordination of an Old Catholic German bishop by a
prelate of the Church of Utrecht. In line with the "Declaration of
Utrecht" of 1889, they accept the first seven ecumenical councils and
doctrine formulated before 1054, but reject communion with the pope
and a number of other Roman Catholic doctrines and practices. They
have a valid priesthood and valid sacraments. The Oxford Dictionary of
the Christian Church notes that they have recognized Anglican
ordinations since 1925, that they have full communion with the Church
of England since 1932, and have taken part in ordination of Anglican
Bishops.
Published with Ecclesiastical Approval
OUR SUNDAY VISITOR, INC.
Huntington, Indiana 46750
Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith Declaration: Dominus Jesus
An excerpt…
17. Therefore, there exists a single Church of Christ, which subsists
in the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the
Bishops in communion with him. The Churches which, while not existing
in perfect communion with the (Roman) Catholic Church, remain united
to her by means of the closest bonds, that is, by apostolic succession
and a valid Eucharist, are true particular Churches. Therefore, the
Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even
though they lack full communion with the (Roman) Catholic Church…
From the Vatican, August 6, 2000
[1] "When a Catholic sacred minister is unavailable and there is
urgent spiritual necessity, Catholics may receive the Eucharist,
penance, or anointing from sacred ministers of non-Catholic
denomination whose holy orders are considered valid by the Catholic
Church. This includes all Eastern Orthodox priests, as well as priests
of the Old Catholic or Polish National Church." Rights and
Responsibilities, A Catholics' Guide to the New Code of Canon Law,
Thomas P. Doyle, O.P., page 44.
[2] "A validly consecrated bishop can validly confer all orders from
the minor orders to the episcopate inclusively ... For this reason the
ordinations performed by the bishops of the Old Catholics are consider
valid." A Practical Commentary on the Code of Canon Law, revised and
enlarged edition, by Rev. Stanislaw Woywod, OFM, LLB. Vol. 1, Sec. 881
P. 558.
[3] "They [Old Catholics] have received valid orders." Roman Catholic
Dictionary, by Addison Arnold.
[4] "The Old Catholic Church has received valid episcopal
consecration", Christian Denominations, by Rev. Konrad Algemissen.
[5] "Their [Old Catholic] Orders and Sacraments are valid." A Catholic
Dictionary, by Donald Attwater.
[6] "The Far East Magazine of June, 1928, published by the Saint
Columban Fathers of St. Columbans, Nebraska, in reply to any inquiry
about the Old Catholic Church, published the reply that: "These [Old
Catholics] Orders are valid."
[7] "The Roman Church recognizes the validity of Old Catholic Orders
and other Sacraments." 1974 Catholic Almanac, by Felician A. Roy, OFM,
page 368. "Our Sunday Visitor."
[8] "We have no reason to doubt that the Old Catholic Orders are
valid. The Apostolic Succession does not depend on obedience to the
See of Peter but rather on the objective line of succession from
Apostolic sources, the proper matter and form, and the proper
intention ... likewise Old Catholic bishops are bishops in Apostolic
Succession ... The Old Catholics, like the Orthodox, posses a valid
priesthood." Separated Brethren, William J. Whalen, pp. 204, 248.
[9] (Apostolicae Curae) "...Whenever there is no appearance of
simulation on the part of the minister, the validity of the sacrament
is sufficiently certain ... "
[10] “Every validly consecrated bishop, including heretical,
schismatic, simonistic or excommunicated bishops, can validly dispense
the Sacrament of Order, provided that he has the requisite intention,
and follows the essential external rite (set. Certa). Cf. D 855, 860;
CIC 2372.” 1952 Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Dr. Ludwig Ott, pp.
456.
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Wanda Tinasky
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Hey Tani:
Sorry, but you're getting a bit predictable in your "golden years"
trying to change the subject from Dan-Ron to Tani Jantsang's Spin
Parade Of Me, Me, ME. So everybody, let's take a sec to think about
Tani Jantsang as this helps her overcome some very personal "issues."
The thread is about Dan/Ron or whatever he's going by now and the
fraud trying his best to get others to believe. Too bad for him as he
doesn't seem to have any grander motivation at conning people besides
the negative attention it gets him in alt.satanism and in Baltimore.
I'd guess one or both of his parents suffered from some sort of
substance abuse issues or some other tragedy making him the kook he is
today.
I must admit it's a lot of fun to wear a priest outfit and get free
drinks and other such stuff as I did this a couple of times myself
when I was younger. It's best in Boston as the Irish Cathy-Lick types
really like helping out a local "Faddah." Pathetic if he's going to
old folks homes and performing a Mass. Guess he can kype some jewelry
from an Alzeheimer's patient or perhaps he's more into ladies of a
"certain age" like you, Tani?
Luv,
Wanda
| Quote: | "Wanda Tinasky" <wandatina...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:a0037dcd-d945-43a8-8fb2-cb0e3d20cc45@u26g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
Hey Tani:
All this time I thought I was "killfiled."
TJ: Different account.
Nice to see you're still stung when I express my opinion about you and
the few nutters that that pay for your "monographs." If you didn't
have such a fragile ego, you wouldn't respond no matter what I write
about you, natch. Note that Egan and Blackwood didn't respond, just
you and Ron. Nice company you're keeping these days... Lumping you
with satanists in *alt.satanism*? How dare I.
TJ: Stung? I'm astounded that you still think about me at all. Harry,
quite frankly, I know what you REALLY think about all of it, including me,
and no amount of flaming me can convince me otherwise. Posting on this
group? Is Rudy Canoza a satanist? Lots of people post here who are not
Satanists. OH, you voting for Obama/Biden? Don't forget to watch Palin
debate Biden tomorrow - Palin, she who knows that dinosaurs and humans were
here at the same time, cuz she saw footprints with the dino prints. VP..
You mock out Ron (Mershon?) and the other guy - they'd make better VP than
Sarah Palin, you know. Harry, the guy in that photo is not Ron Mershon -
the entire face and bone structure is different. I have no idea who it is..
For my entertainment,
TJ: I know what entertains you - and none of it is wholesome. It's asocial
rot. In which case, perhaps I'll vote for Sarah Palin. HA. Ya see, when I
like LITB it's time to flame me for liking the 50s. When Specter shows up
(bless her soul) liking it and wanting it, you shut the fuck up. LMAO. You
are such fucking HERD.
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"Wanda Tinasky" <wandatinasky@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:a0037dcd-d945-43a8-8fb2-cb0e3d20cc45@u26g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
Hey Tani:
All this time I thought I was "killfiled."
TJ: Different account.
| Quote: | Nice to see you're still stung when I express my opinion about you and
the few nutters that that pay for your "monographs." If you didn't |
have such a fragile ego, you wouldn't respond no matter what I write
about you, natch. Note that Egan and Blackwood didn't respond, just
you and Ron. Nice company you're keeping these days... Lumping you
with satanists in *alt.satanism*? How dare I.
TJ: Stung? I'm astounded that you still think about me at all. Harry,
quite frankly, I know what you REALLY think about all of it, including me,
and no amount of flaming me can convince me otherwise. Posting on this
group? Is Rudy Canoza a satanist? Lots of people post here who are not
Satanists. OH, you voting for Obama/Biden? Don't forget to watch Palin
debate Biden tomorrow - Palin, she who knows that dinosaurs and humans were
here at the same time, cuz she saw footprints with the dino prints. VP.
You mock out Ron (Mershon?) and the other guy - they'd make better VP than
Sarah Palin, you know. Harry, the guy in that photo is not Ron Mershon -
the entire face and bone structure is different. I have no idea who it is.
| Quote: | For my entertainment,
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TJ: I know what entertains you - and none of it is wholesome. It's asocial
rot. In which case, perhaps I'll vote for Sarah Palin. HA. Ya see, when I
like LITB it's time to flame me for liking the 50s. When Specter shows up
(bless her soul) liking it and wanting it, you shut the fuck up. LMAO. You
are such fucking HERD.
Now it's time to start new killfile in account. |
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Dear "Bishop" Mershon,
Please see below...
On Sep 26, 4:30 pm, Bishop Daniel Garguillio
<revdan...@garguillio.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Born to royalty. Bred to ascend a corrupted Throne of Power.
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People who concentrate on 'breeding' and 'birthright' tend to be
people most don't take seriously. It's an indicator of not having much
to lean on as far as real-world-achievement.
As near as I can tell, the real Ron Mershon is a regular, working-
class guy from the east coast of the U.S., who is interested in
religion. Given that this perfectly describes myself (except for the
fact that I'm on the left coast) I'm forced to wonder: What,
specifically, do you feel is wrong with this? How is it better to
pretend to be a Catholic priest, and an unrecognized regent-in-waiting
of some yet unnamed principality?
There is nothing wrong with writing essays and articles giving your
opinions on theological matters. I do this myself, in the spheres of
Mormonism and Islam -- and, as an aside, I note with amusement that
Tani has reappeared and is *still* plagiarizing ibn-Tamiyya with her
"darkness is ONE" satano-communist-unitarian theology as she did years
ago -- but I'd never pretend to be a Mormon apostle or some other
authority when I discuss 19th century Utah History. I'm just a guy who
likes history and religion and reads books in his spare time.
Someday I hope you'll realize that there is nothing wrong with simply
being yourself. You're a smart guy who has a sense of humor and would
probably be an interesting character to chat up at a party. No need to
go turning your collar around.
Y'r Pal,
Victor (nettoyeur) |
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