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 Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 21, 5:22 pm, odubh...@comcast.net wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 21, 6:36 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids were
called Dragons.
YES!! They were. Which is why I named my son Talon, for the Dragon and
the Red Dragon is is birth spirit guide.
Druids may have been known as adders but not as dragons. Dragon was a
nickname for Irish warriors. The Druids themselves liked to call
themselves "swineherds" (for obvious reasons). 
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Either is good. He was born with the caul over his head and after
being checked out as healthy, the nurses and Doctor said except he has
a long snake tongue.
As an infant he use to hang it out and point it. Damdest thing. To
this day he can whip that thing out and stick it up his nose. He
grosses people out in cold season.
Still I swear I saw they said Druids were Dragons. Would make sense as
well why some Kings had Dragon banners if the Druids advised the
Kings? Or why so many references to waking the Dragons? I don't know.
| Quote: | Most of us know that the Celts held the head as sacred. When in
battle, it was written (somewhere sorry) that they drank a bit of
blood from the Fallen Warriors (I believe their own) from the head to
take in the Fallen Warriors greatness and battle experience. A bit of
their spirit.
Which is why I asked here somewhere recently but was never answered,
if possibly this could be where the term Vampire came from or Dracula?
Not sure how I put it.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's not where the idea of vampires comes from. Drinking blood from a
fallen hero or relative is an old Irish and European custom. It's also
have bonds and oaths are instigated. Using the head as a drinking cup
by Celts or drinking from a head is considered to be taking in the
soul or spirit of the fallen. That is why so many sacred wells are
said to have heads within them.
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Think about it though. Even if Vlad tortured people or however the
Dracula story went to name him..the drinking of blood always falls
back to the thought of bats that do. As if it were never heard of by
people that warriors did. If it was such an accepted practice back
then why is vampirism seen as so fictional?
Isn't a vampire feeding off the life force as a warrior did? I really
think there is something that connects it all somewhere.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 21, 1:31 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In Druidic times, The Kingdom of the Osrai, or Usrai = The Kingdom of
the People of the Serpent (probably meaning Dragon). In Urmhumhan
(East Munster) then, anglicised to Ormonde. Since the Normans came, in
Leinster.
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Sorry. I did not see this post about serpent/dragon. This explains
alot.
I am having Google problems again. Many are not even showing when I
click on them or say deleted. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:17 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 21, 4:51 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 3:36 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 21, 1:48 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190406715.519925.198350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 8:55 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 8:36 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 21, 7:22 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
Jim
Some powerful Druids came from Tuathmhumham, were invited to the
Rock
of Cashel by the King of Munster, and were granted land by him in
the
Comeragh Mountains of the Deise. And they survived.
You're psychic to mention that just now.
Michael is not of Kilkenny, I may be.
I'm not knocking Kilkenny. Just trying to get a rise out of Michael.
I
miss
talking with him.
P.S. I'm really enjoying your posts. I prefer substantive writing
like
yours
to the empty fluff
that appears on ARD, i.e. the American expert nonsense. :-)
I tend to pick on Christians but only in the American fundamentalist
case.
All my relatives in your country are Catholics and the absolute salt
of
the
earth.
Jim
Kilkenny, Cill Chainnigh = The Church of Canice, the most modern name
for here, coming from 597 A.D. when the missionary Canice arrived
with
a Christian Army and the Druids fought to the death above on the
Mound, where St. Canice's Cathedral with Round Tower stands
majestically today (built by the Normans), here was the last of the
Irish Druid Order.
It took 220 years since the days of St. Kieran, 377 AD to the
onslaught of St. Canice in 597 AD to 'convert' Kilkenny and the
People
of the Osrai, and then by bloody force of arms as the Osrai fought to
the death against Christian armies pouring into Kilkenny from all
over
Ireland.
Canice went to seminary with Colmcille, and Canice was the son of a
Filidh of Donegal. To this day there is a dustrust of Donegal people
in these parts.
Strangely, Kilkenny (The Diocese of Ossory) went on to be the most
Loyal Catholic part of Ireland, was seat to the Catholic Conferation
of Kilkenny (The Irish Parliament of the Normans and native Irish)
and
capital of Ireland until Cromwell came to bloodily put an end to
their
Royalist resistance in 1649 A.D.
In Druidic times, The Kingdom of the Osrai, or Usrai = The Kingdom of
the People of the Serpent (probably meaning Dragon). In Urmhumhan
(East Munster) then, anglicised to Ormonde. Since the Normans came,
in
Leinster.
Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids were
called Dragons.
YES!! They were. Which is why I named my son Talon, for the Dragon and
the Red Dragon is is birth spirit guide.
Most of us know that the Celts held the head as sacred. When in
battle, it was written (somewhere sorry) that they drank a bit of
blood from the Fallen Warriors (I believe their own) from the head to
take in the Fallen Warriors greatness and battle experience. A bit of
their spirit.
Which is why I asked here somewhere recently but was never answered,
if possibly this could be where the term Vampire came from or Dracula?
Not sure how I put it.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Take Dracula out..I already know how that name came about. I meant
Vampires in general.
Try Draco. - Hide quoted text -
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I did not like Draco as well. Talon was unique and he could apply it
to any bird of prey so I did not trap him into one personality all of
his life. Right after he was born the first Harry Potter movie came
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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"aine" <aine_nicneven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sep 21, 5:22 pm, odubh...@comcast.net wrote:
On Sep 21, 6:36 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids
were
called Dragons.
YES!! They were. Which is why I named my son Talon, for the Dragon and
the Red Dragon is is birth spirit guide.
Druids may have been known as adders but not as dragons. Dragon was a
nickname for Irish warriors. The Druids themselves liked to call
themselves "swineherds" (for obvious reasons). :-)
Either is good. He was born with the caul over his head and after
being checked out as healthy, the nurses and Doctor said except he has
a long snake tongue.
As an infant he use to hang it out and point it. Damdest thing. To
this day he can whip that thing out and stick it up his nose. He
grosses people out in cold season.
Still I swear I saw they said Druids were Dragons. Would make sense as
well why some Kings had Dragon banners if the Druids advised the
Kings? Or why so many references to waking the Dragons? I don't know.
Most of us know that the Celts held the head as sacred. When in
battle, it was written (somewhere sorry) that they drank a bit of
blood from the Fallen Warriors (I believe their own) from the head to
take in the Fallen Warriors greatness and battle experience. A bit of
their spirit.
Which is why I asked here somewhere recently but was never answered,
if possibly this could be where the term Vampire came from or Dracula?
Not sure how I put it.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's not where the idea of vampires comes from. Drinking blood from a
fallen hero or relative is an old Irish and European custom. It's also
have bonds and oaths are instigated. Using the head as a drinking cup
by Celts or drinking from a head is considered to be taking in the
soul or spirit of the fallen. That is why so many sacred wells are
said to have heads within them.
Think about it though. Even if Vlad tortured people or however the
Dracula story went to name him..the drinking of blood always falls
back to the thought of bats that do. As if it were never heard of by
people that warriors did. If it was such an accepted practice back
then why is vampirism seen as so fictional?
Isn't a vampire feeding off the life force as a warrior did? I really
think there is something that connects it all somewhere.
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Hmm! I'm not sure that warriors could be said to feed off the life force.
Kill, yes. Have rituals involving blood - maybe. But feeding off the life
force for sustenance? That's something else altogether.
The earliest vampire related legends would involve the death of newborns and
pregnant women - the usual way of characterising sudden, unexpected fatal
illness. That turns up as a feature of a number of other vampiric legends.
Then you've got the whole connection with the dead, which following various
strands back to antiquity connects with ancient Greek ideas of the forces of
chaos opposing the gods, which in Roman myth were responsible, via the Roman
idea of witches (who obeyed neither the laws or gods or human society), for
sudden unexpected death and plagues. The most notable Roman witch, Erictho,
was effectively antilife - her very presence sterilised seeds. You might say
that she sucked the life out of them.
Just a few notions off the top of my head - however, highly unlikely in that
case to be connected to warriors, since warriors frequently used things like
amulets invoking a deity's power to avert illness, death in battle and so
on.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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"Kevin" <laighleas@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "aine" <aine_nicneven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190426696.641952.140340@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 5:22 pm, odubh...@comcast.net wrote:
On Sep 21, 6:36 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids
were
called Dragons.
YES!! They were. Which is why I named my son Talon, for the Dragon and
the Red Dragon is is birth spirit guide.
Druids may have been known as adders but not as dragons. Dragon was a
nickname for Irish warriors. The Druids themselves liked to call
themselves "swineherds" (for obvious reasons). :-)
Either is good. He was born with the caul over his head and after
being checked out as healthy, the nurses and Doctor said except he has
a long snake tongue.
As an infant he use to hang it out and point it. Damdest thing. To
this day he can whip that thing out and stick it up his nose. He
grosses people out in cold season.
Still I swear I saw they said Druids were Dragons. Would make sense as
well why some Kings had Dragon banners if the Druids advised the
Kings? Or why so many references to waking the Dragons? I don't know.
Most of us know that the Celts held the head as sacred. When in
battle, it was written (somewhere sorry) that they drank a bit of
blood from the Fallen Warriors (I believe their own) from the head to
take in the Fallen Warriors greatness and battle experience. A bit of
their spirit.
Which is why I asked here somewhere recently but was never answered,
if possibly this could be where the term Vampire came from or Dracula?
Not sure how I put it.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's not where the idea of vampires comes from. Drinking blood from a
fallen hero or relative is an old Irish and European custom. It's also
have bonds and oaths are instigated. Using the head as a drinking cup
by Celts or drinking from a head is considered to be taking in the
soul or spirit of the fallen. That is why so many sacred wells are
said to have heads within them.
Think about it though. Even if Vlad tortured people or however the
Dracula story went to name him..the drinking of blood always falls
back to the thought of bats that do. As if it were never heard of by
people that warriors did. If it was such an accepted practice back
then why is vampirism seen as so fictional?
Isn't a vampire feeding off the life force as a warrior did? I really
think there is something that connects it all somewhere.
Hmm! I'm not sure that warriors could be said to feed off the life force.
Kill, yes. Have rituals involving blood - maybe. But feeding off the life
force for sustenance? That's something else altogether.
[....]
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Sure. That one. What's possibly wrong with it?
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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since warriors frequently used things like amulets invoking a deity's
power to avert illness, death in battle and so on.
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Sovereignty or translated "Genus Locii" are the only ones I can
think of, in said context. Never a so-called "deity".
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aine
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 21, 8:14 pm, "Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | "aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190426696.641952.140340@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 5:22 pm, odubh...@comcast.net wrote:
On Sep 21, 6:36 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids
were
called Dragons.
YES!! They were. Which is why I named my son Talon, for the Dragon and
the Red Dragon is is birth spirit guide.
Druids may have been known as adders but not as dragons. Dragon was a
nickname for Irish warriors. The Druids themselves liked to call
themselves "swineherds" (for obvious reasons). :-)
Either is good. He was born with the caul over his head and after
being checked out as healthy, the nurses and Doctor said except he has
a long snake tongue.
As an infant he use to hang it out and point it. Damdest thing. To
this day he can whip that thing out and stick it up his nose. He
grosses people out in cold season.
Still I swear I saw they said Druids were Dragons. Would make sense as
well why some Kings had Dragon banners if the Druids advised the
Kings? Or why so many references to waking the Dragons? I don't know.
Most of us know that the Celts held the head as sacred. When in
battle, it was written (somewhere sorry) that they drank a bit of
blood from the Fallen Warriors (I believe their own) from the head to
take in the Fallen Warriors greatness and battle experience. A bit of
their spirit.
Which is why I asked here somewhere recently but was never answered,
if possibly this could be where the term Vampire came from or Dracula?
Not sure how I put it.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's not where the idea of vampires comes from. Drinking blood from a
fallen hero or relative is an old Irish and European custom. It's also
have bonds and oaths are instigated. Using the head as a drinking cup
by Celts or drinking from a head is considered to be taking in the
soul or spirit of the fallen. That is why so many sacred wells are
said to have heads within them.
Think about it though. Even if Vlad tortured people or however the
Dracula story went to name him..the drinking of blood always falls
back to the thought of bats that do. As if it were never heard of by
people that warriors did. If it was such an accepted practice back
then why is vampirism seen as so fictional?
Isn't a vampire feeding off the life force as a warrior did? I really
think there is something that connects it all somewhere.
Hmm! I'm not sure that warriors could be said to feed off the life force.
Kill, yes. Have rituals involving blood - maybe. But feeding off the life
force for sustenance? That's something else altogether.
The earliest vampire related legends would involve the death of newborns and
pregnant women - the usual way of characterising sudden, unexpected fatal
illness. That turns up as a feature of a number of other vampiric legends.
Then you've got the whole connection with the dead, which following various
strands back to antiquity connects with ancient Greek ideas of the forces of
chaos opposing the gods, which in Roman myth were responsible, via the Roman
idea of witches (who obeyed neither the laws or gods or human society), for
sudden unexpected death and plagues. The most notable Roman witch, Erictho,
was effectively antilife - her very presence sterilised seeds. You might say
that she sucked the life out of them.
Just a few notions off the top of my head - however, highly unlikely in that
case to be connected to warriors, since warriors frequently used things like
amulets invoking a deity's power to avert illness, death in battle and so
on.
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Celtic Sacrifice, Prayer, and Divination
By J. A. MacCulloch
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:pC9NOmT2yKAJ:www.worldspirituality.org/celtic-sacrifice.html+celtic+warriors+drink+blood&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=43&gl=us
Diodorus says the Irish ate their enemies, and Pausanias describes
the eating the flesh and drinking the blood of children among the
Galatian Celts. Drinking out of a skull the blood of slain
(sacrificial) enemies is mentioned by Ammianus and Livy, and Solinus
describes the Irish custom of bathing the face in the blood of the
slain and drinking it.[821] In some of these cases the intention may
simply have been to obtain the dead enemy's strength, but where a
sacrificial victim was concerned, the intention probably went further
than this. The blood of dead relatives was also drunk in order to
obtain their virtues, or to be brought into closer rapport with them.
[822] This is analogous to the custom of blood brotherhood, which also
existed among the Celts and continued as a survival in the Western
Isles until a late date.[823] |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 21, 5:22 pm, odubh...@comcast.net wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 21, 6:36 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 21, 1:48 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190406715.519925.198350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 8:55 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190403566.649958.278980@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 8:36 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 21, 7:22 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
Jim
Some powerful Druids came from Tuathmhumham, were invited to the Rock
of Cashel by the King of Munster, and were granted land by him in the
Comeragh Mountains of the Deise. And they survived.
You're psychic to mention that just now.
Michael is not of Kilkenny, I may be.
I'm not knocking Kilkenny. Just trying to get a rise out of Michael. I
miss
talking with him.
P.S. I'm really enjoying your posts. I prefer substantive writing like
yours
to the empty fluff
that appears on ARD, i.e. the American expert nonsense. :-)
I tend to pick on Christians but only in the American fundamentalist
case.
All my relatives in your country are Catholics and the absolute salt of
the
earth.
Jim
Kilkenny, Cill Chainnigh = The Church of Canice, the most modern name
for here, coming from 597 A.D. when the missionary Canice arrived with
a Christian Army and the Druids fought to the death above on the
Mound, where St. Canice's Cathedral with Round Tower stands
majestically today (built by the Normans), here was the last of the
Irish Druid Order.
It took 220 years since the days of St. Kieran, 377 AD to the
onslaught of St. Canice in 597 AD to 'convert' Kilkenny and the People
of the Osrai, and then by bloody force of arms as the Osrai fought to
the death against Christian armies pouring into Kilkenny from all over
Ireland.
Canice went to seminary with Colmcille, and Canice was the son of a
Filidh of Donegal. To this day there is a dustrust of Donegal people
in these parts.
Strangely, Kilkenny (The Diocese of Ossory) went on to be the most
Loyal Catholic part of Ireland, was seat to the Catholic Conferation
of Kilkenny (The Irish Parliament of the Normans and native Irish) and
capital of Ireland until Cromwell came to bloodily put an end to their
Royalist resistance in 1649 A.D.
In Druidic times, The Kingdom of the Osrai, or Usrai = The Kingdom of
the People of the Serpent (probably meaning Dragon). In Urmhumhan
(East Munster) then, anglicised to Ormonde. Since the Normans came, in
Leinster.
Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids were
called Dragons.
YES!! They were. Which is why I named my son Talon, for the Dragon and
the Red Dragon is is birth spirit guide.
Druids may have been known as adders but not as dragons. Dragon was a
nickname for Irish warriors. The Druids themselves liked to call
themselves "swineherds" (for obvious reasons). :-)
Most of us know that the Celts held the head as sacred. When in
battle, it was written (somewhere sorry) that they drank a bit of
blood from the Fallen Warriors (I believe their own) from the head to
take in the Fallen Warriors greatness and battle experience. A bit of
their spirit.
Which is why I asked here somewhere recently but was never answered,
if possibly this could be where the term Vampire came from or Dracula?
Not sure how I put it.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's not where the idea of vampires comes from. Drinking blood from a
fallen hero or relative is an old Irish and European custom. It's also
have bonds and oaths are instigated. Using the head as a drinking cup
by Celts or drinking from a head is considered to be taking in the
soul or spirit of the fallen. That is why so many sacred wells are
said to have heads within them.
Searles O'Dubhain- Hide quoted text -
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http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/dragonlegacy.html
Book Review
The Dragon Legacy: Secret History of an Ancient Bloodline
Awfully interesting about sumerians and celts and all. Anyone know if
I am being duped on this or has this author already been mentioned?
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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"aine" <aine_nicneven@hotmail.com> wrote
| Quote: | http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/dragonlegacy.html
Book Review
The Dragon Legacy: Secret History of an Ancient Bloodline
Awfully interesting about sumerians and celts and all. Anyone know if
I am being duped on this or has this author already been mentioned?
Nicholas de Vere
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What are "Nicholas de Vere"s and "Joan d'Arc"s real names?
That's where it all starts...
Dan |
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1X2Willows
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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Besides...
"the gnosis inherent within the words that the message conveys"
gives it away right there.
Dan |
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aine
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 21, 10:09 pm, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com>
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| Quote: | "aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote
http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/dragonlegacy.html
Book Review
The Dragon Legacy: Secret History of an Ancient Bloodline
Awfully interesting about sumerians and celts and all. Anyone know if
I am being duped on this or has this author already been mentioned?
Nicholas de Vere
What are "Nicholas de Vere"s and "Joan d'Arc"s real names?
That's where it all starts...
Dan
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Joan d'Arc is simply the magazine Paranoias book reviewer. It is a
book review of the Author Nicholas deVere. The Dragon Legacy. Secret
History of an Ancient Bloodline. |
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1X2Willows
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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"aine" <aine_nicneven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sep 21, 10:09 pm, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
"aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote
http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/dragonlegacy.html
Book Review
The Dragon Legacy: Secret History of an Ancient Bloodline
Awfully interesting about sumerians and celts and all. Anyone know if
I am being duped on this or has this author already been mentioned?
Nicholas de Vere
What are "Nicholas de Vere"s and "Joan d'Arc"s real names?
That's where it all starts...
Dan
Joan d'Arc is simply the magazine Paranoias book reviewer.
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Yes, but what is the person's real name who reviews books
under the name of "Joan d'Arc" for the Paranoia magazine?
| Quote: | It is a
book review of the Author Nicholas deVere. The Dragon Legacy. Secret
History of an Ancient Bloodline.
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jaja.
What is the author's real name?
I would bet a lot it's not "Nicholas deVere".
Dan |
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aine
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 21, 10:09 pm, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
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"aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote
http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/dragonlegacy.html
Book Review
The Dragon Legacy: Secret History of an Ancient Bloodline
Awfully interesting about sumerians and celts and all. Anyone know if
I am being duped on this or has this author already been mentioned?
Nicholas de Vere
What are "Nicholas de Vere"s and "Joan d'Arc"s real names?
That's where it all starts...
Dan
Joan d'Arc is simply the magazine Paranoias book reviewer.
Yes, but what is the person's real name who reviews books
under the name of "Joan d'Arc" for the Paranoia magazine?
It is a
book review of the Author Nicholas deVere. The Dragon Legacy. Secret
History of an Ancient Bloodline.
jaja.
What is the author's real name?
I would bet a lot it's not "Nicholas deVere".
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Okay Dan..where ya going with this? Alot of people use "ghost" names.
Dear Abby..etc. The author I do not know either but I do not know why
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Mairtin O'Druachain
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On Sep 22, 3:09 am, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 21, 1:31 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote:
In Druidic times, The Kingdom of the Osrai, or Usrai = The Kingdom of
the People of the Serpent (probably meaning Dragon). In Urmhumhan
(East Munster) then, anglicised to Ormonde. Since the Normans came, in
Leinster.
Sorry. I did not see this post about serpent/dragon. This explains
alot.
I am having Google problems again. Many are not even showing when I
click on them or say deleted.
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On Sep 22, 1:22 am, odubh...@comcast.net wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 21, 6:36 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 21, 1:48 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 8:55 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 8:36 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 21, 7:22 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
Jim
Some powerful Druids came from Tuathmhumham, were invited to the Rock
of Cashel by the King of Munster, and were granted land by him in the
Comeragh Mountains of the Deise. And they survived.
You're psychic to mention that just now.
Michael is not of Kilkenny, I may be.
I'm not knocking Kilkenny. Just trying to get a rise out of Michael. I
miss
talking with him.
P.S. I'm really enjoying your posts. I prefer substantive writing like
yours
to the empty fluff
that appears on ARD, i.e. the American expert nonsense. :-)
I tend to pick on Christians but only in the American fundamentalist
case.
All my relatives in your country are Catholics and the absolute salt of
the
earth.
Jim
Kilkenny, Cill Chainnigh = The Church of Canice, the most modern name
for here, coming from 597 A.D. when the missionary Canice arrived with
a Christian Army and the Druids fought to the death above on the
Mound, where St. Canice's Cathedral with Round Tower stands
majestically today (built by the Normans), here was the last of the
Irish Druid Order.
It took 220 years since the days of St. Kieran, 377 AD to the
onslaught of St. Canice in 597 AD to 'convert' Kilkenny and the People
of the Osrai, and then by bloody force of arms as the Osrai fought to
the death against Christian armies pouring into Kilkenny from all over
Ireland.
Canice went to seminary with Colmcille, and Canice was the son of a
Filidh of Donegal. To this day there is a dustrust of Donegal people
in these parts.
Strangely, Kilkenny (The Diocese of Ossory) went on to be the most
Loyal Catholic part of Ireland, was seat to the Catholic Conferation
of Kilkenny (The Irish Parliament of the Normans and native Irish) and
capital of Ireland until Cromwell came to bloodily put an end to their
Royalist resistance in 1649 A.D.
In Druidic times, The Kingdom of the Osrai, or Usrai = The Kingdom of
the People of the Serpent (probably meaning Dragon). In Urmhumhan
(East Munster) then, anglicised to Ormonde. Since the Normans came, in
Leinster.
Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids were
called Dragons.
YES!! They were. Which is why I named my son Talon, for the Dragon and
the Red Dragon is is birth spirit guide.
Druids may have been known as adders but not as dragons. Dragon was a
nickname for Irish warriors. The Druids themselves liked to call
themselves "swineherds" (for obvious reasons). :-)
Most of us know that the Celts held the head as sacred. When in
battle, it was written (somewhere sorry) that they drank a bit of
blood from the Fallen Warriors (I believe their own) from the head to
take in the Fallen Warriors greatness and battle experience. A bit of
their spirit.
Which is why I asked here somewhere recently but was never answered,
if possibly this could be where the term Vampire came from or Dracula?
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It's not where the idea of vampires comes from. Drinking blood from a
fallen hero or relative is an old Irish and European custom. It's also
have bonds and oaths are instigated. Using the head as a drinking cup
by Celts or drinking from a head is considered to be taking in the
soul or spirit of the fallen. That is why so many sacred wells are
said to have heads within them.
Searles O'Dubhain
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Yes, I agree. One of our teachers in the ODI, a native born Irish
speaker, graduate in Irish History and of course the Irish language,
college Vice-Principal and teacher for 35 years, and of a line of
Hereditary Druids (Ben McBrady was not the very last of a line of
hereditaries, there were and are others) always said that the Serpent
was venerated in Irish Druidry. When they say that Patrick "drove the
snakes out of Ireland" they actually mean that he drove the Druids
out ! This comes from Christian propaganda, for instance in the Bible
the Devil is portrayed as a snake/serpent in the Garden of Eden story,
and the Devil is always portrayed to this day, in kindergarten, by
Catholic and Protestant teachers as a serpent/snake.
There were adders in Ireland up to Christian times, just as there are
adders in parts of Britain to this day.
What happened in Ireland, as we know, is that Rome decided to conquer
us on the mind when it could not conquer us any other way. It seems
that Jesus as the son of God was not of much use as a tool of
conversion to the Irish who had their own colourful gods and giddesses
a plenty. So instead they concentrated on preaching Hellfire and
damnation - Patrick was an absolute lunatic on this sunject. It comes
through the literature time and again, Hellfore and damnation for all
eternity is preached incessantly, non-stop, day in, day out, all
across Ireland. Purgatory figures massively, as does Limbo (if the
Irish don't get their babies baptised) - and of course there is the
promise of Paradise for all eternity, but it is more a fanatical
preaching of the fire and brimstone type that the missionaries
employed all across Ireland. And all the time, the Devil who ran Hell
and who came for you if you were not 'saved' was portrayed as a
serpent - as the local adder, which indeed was the very symbol of the
Irish Druids. As a result the Irish as they were converted went out
and actually destroyed all nests of adders across the land, as actual
earthly symbols of Satan, the Devil. I do not know the actual reason
why there was such a connection between the Druids and the Serpent.
Perhaps they were used for medicinal purposes ? As the symbol today of
medics is intertwined serpents, which comes from Egyptian healing.
That's all I can offer. The monks themselves were actually terrified
of the serpent, believing even a simple adder to be of the devil,
which is why we don't read anything about the serpent in the
mythology. To this day you will not see the serpent in the art of the
Catholic Church - except where "The Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of
God" crushes the Serpent under her foot as God himself promosed in the
Garden of Eden story, "I shall send a woman who shall crush the
serpent under her foot. "
Irish Christianity even back then was of the Arian/Pelagian variety,
it still is, where Irish Catholics actually believe Jesus to be of a
different substance than God the Father - and the Irish, from those
early converting missionaries have a devout actual worship of Mary to
an extent unknown anywhere else in the Catholic Church, even more
intense than Spain, Portugal or the South of France.
For the converting missionaries to Ireland preached Mary in opposition
to the Druidic Goddess/Earth Mother and made her far superior. They
made her a Goddess whom God himself would never turn down if she makes
a request for you - and that is still the practice. The Protestant
Churches (that is, "The Brits", the Anglo-Irish) have always publicly
deprecated this Teaching of the Catholic Church (to this vert day) in
Ireland, and the actual fanatisism of the Irish about Mary to this
very day as well. In fact the Irish suffered religious persecution and
oppression in the Name of Mary down through the centuries - not in the
Name of Jesus ! The Irish Catholic Church right up into the Hierarchy
is to this day completely obsessed with the veneration and worship of
Mary, and Rome has even taken it on board, Pope after Pope, from the
Irish College in Rome and all the thousands of Irish religious on
Rome, many of them important functionaries and advisers in the Vatican
down through the ages.
Anyway we were taught on the ODI by this nationally recognised Master
of the Irish language, Irish Hostory, and Irish Mythologogy and Druid
too, Seamus MacCraith of the Rinn Gaeltacht, still alive but very ill
with chronic asthma, a Founder of the ODI who stood with us for three
years running on Tara (in a suit, collar and tie!), who recited his
magnificent poetty to is and sang us his own songs over many a bottle
of whiskey, that the word 'Us' or 'Os' is the word in the Old Irish
for |Serpent, and thus Osraiocht or Usraiocht (Ossory, Kilkenny,
Ormonde) meaning "The Kingdom of the People of the Serpent, the tribe
that inhabited here being the famous 'Osrai'. Mone of the U.K./U.S.A.
Druid Orders have this, because they have no Hereditaries teaching
them - though they will now:-)
Seamus never preaches against the Church, or against any Church. In
fact he says that the young priests he was in class with at
University "had brilliant minds but they're all dull today! "
His personal address is : Seamus MacCraith B.A., H.Dip.Ed., Sean
Chill, Rinn O'gCuanach, The Rinn Gaeltacht, Dun Garbhain, Portlairge
(County Waterford), Ireland. Write to him with any intelligent queries
you may have by snail mail, as he is mostly confined to bed these days
- and have patience as he still keeps up a lot of correspondence from
his home, and depends on his daughters to mail his replies, he is not
well enough, because of the asthma, to sit at a keyboard, and he is
under doctor's advice not to, but to walk in his fields whenever he
feels well enough to do so. And he still has the whiskey, never
without it, living proof that one may drink regularly and still remain
a scholar and a gentleman. And Seamus has always sworn to us on the
ODI, as he will tell you, that Michael McGrath (Micheal MacCraith),
his Kinsman from West Waterford, is "The Appointed Hereditary" and not
he. They both descend from the MacCraith of the Clanna Bui of Sleady
Castle, Modeligo, West Waterford, Michael more directly. Many of the
Clanna Bui on turn descend from "The Scoundrel of Cashel" , Archbishop
Myler McGrath on the Rock of Cashel, who was the only man in history
to be Catholic and Protestant Archbishop of Cashel at the same time
(though as a Druid he despised both!), had several wives, 23 children,
drank a quart of whiskey a day, fought and plundered his enemies
throughout Munster, was one of the finest swordsmen in Europe, a
favourite of Elizabeth the Great, and lived to be 99 years. He in turn
was a direct descendant of the Druid Mog Roith, Founder of the Mac
Craith clan ! Another ancestor of Michael McGrath (but not of Seamus)
is An Filidh Andrias MacCraith of Thomond, known famously as The Sweet
Pedlar, "An Sugain Mongaire".
The O.D.I. has a list of 71 Hereditary Druids in Ireland (most of them
want to keep quiet about it, being in the professions in what is still
a Catholic - and Protestant ! - country). People like Gina McGarry and
Melvyn Lloyd wanted to see those lists, but Michael decided No, as he
does not know Gina or Melvyn well enough, out of respect for the
confidentiality of the persons concerned who wish to lead private
lives. For the past five years Seamus MacCraith wants to lead a
private life as well. But he will answer intelligent questions by mail
on Irish Druidry etc only, and will not answer anything of a personal
nature with respect for his family, all in the professions. If he
suspects anything of a conspiratorial nature, he will not reply at
all:-) You can of course send your queries to the ODI who will pass
them on to Seamus with recommendation.
The Hereditary and Traditional Druids of Ireland DO have great respect
for the Druids of other lands, especially Brittany and Wales who we
have been in contact with since our inception, amd Michael McGrath
alone has developed great and friendly relationship with the English
Druids, that saw its height when we declared The Peace of Tara
together between Ireland and England on the Hill of Tara, Midsummer
Day, 1997, attended by 700 people to that purpose, with a Great Circle
of 150 Druids, reported in all the Irish media - you can still see the
photographs for free in the archives of The Irish Independent, 22nd
June 1997. Contact: http://www.unison.ie or just google Irish
Independent ( Ireland's mass circulation daily newspaper, Dublin).
Photographs and report also in The Irish Examiner, also in The Irish
Times, but the latter want ten euros for a day's membership/access to
their archives as Kent recently discovered. Pity, as The Irish Times
has, down through the years the best coverage of the ODI of all Irish
national newspapers, it also being the Intellectuals' breakfast table
choice.
Re: Dragon, I don't know. I believe that the Druidic title 'Pendragon'
in all of today's Druidic Orders (except the ODI where the Office
doesn't exist)) comes from the Welsh word Pen, meaning Head or Chief,
and Dragon meaning a file or a line, thus Chief of the Line. And, as
Searles says, Dragon has to do with warrior - in Wales ! As the
Pendragon of a Druid Order is, amongst other things, charged with
maintaining discipline and physical defending the Order when it came
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Mairtin O'Druachain
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 22, 5:38 am, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 21, 8:14 pm, "Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
"aine" <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 5:22 pm, odubh...@comcast.net wrote:
On Sep 21, 6:36 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids
were
called Dragons.
YES!! They were. Which is why I named my son Talon, for the Dragon and
the Red Dragon is is birth spirit guide.
Druids may have been known as adders but not as dragons. Dragon was a
nickname for Irish warriors. The Druids themselves liked to call
themselves "swineherds" (for obvious reasons). :-)
Either is good. He was born with the caul over his head and after
being checked out as healthy, the nurses and Doctor said except he has
a long snake tongue.
As an infant he use to hang it out and point it. Damdest thing. To
this day he can whip that thing out and stick it up his nose. He
grosses people out in cold season.
Still I swear I saw they said Druids were Dragons. Would make sense as
well why some Kings had Dragon banners if the Druids advised the
Kings? Or why so many references to waking the Dragons? I don't know.
Most of us know that the Celts held the head as sacred. When in
battle, it was written (somewhere sorry) that they drank a bit of
blood from the Fallen Warriors (I believe their own) from the head to
take in the Fallen Warriors greatness and battle experience. A bit of
their spirit.
Which is why I asked here somewhere recently but was never answered,
if possibly this could be where the term Vampire came from or Dracula?
Not sure how I put it.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's not where the idea of vampires comes from. Drinking blood from a
fallen hero or relative is an old Irish and European custom. It's also
have bonds and oaths are instigated. Using the head as a drinking cup
by Celts or drinking from a head is considered to be taking in the
soul or spirit of the fallen. That is why so many sacred wells are
said to have heads within them.
Think about it though. Even if Vlad tortured people or however the
Dracula story went to name him..the drinking of blood always falls
back to the thought of bats that do. As if it were never heard of by
people that warriors did. If it was such an accepted practice back
then why is vampirism seen as so fictional?
Isn't a vampire feeding off the life force as a warrior did? I really
think there is something that connects it all somewhere.
Hmm! I'm not sure that warriors could be said to feed off the life force.
Kill, yes. Have rituals involving blood - maybe. But feeding off the life
force for sustenance? That's something else altogether.
The earliest vampire related legends would involve the death of newborns and
pregnant women - the usual way of characterising sudden, unexpected fatal
illness. That turns up as a feature of a number of other vampiric legends.
Then you've got the whole connection with the dead, which following various
strands back to antiquity connects with ancient Greek ideas of the forces of
chaos opposing the gods, which in Roman myth were responsible, via the Roman
idea of witches (who obeyed neither the laws or gods or human society), for
sudden unexpected death and plagues. The most notable Roman witch, Erictho,
was effectively antilife - her very presence sterilised seeds. You might say
that she sucked the life out of them.
Just a few notions off the top of my head - however, highly unlikely in that
case to be connected to warriors, since warriors frequently used things like
amulets invoking a deity's power to avert illness, death in battle and so
on.
Celtic Sacrifice, Prayer, and Divination
By J. A. MacCulloch
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:pC9NOmT2yKAJ:www.worldspiritualit...
Diodorus says the Irish ate their enemies, and Pausanias describes
the eating the flesh and drinking the blood of children among the
Galatian Celts. Drinking out of a skull the blood of slain
(sacrificial) enemies is mentioned by Ammianus and Livy, and Solinus
describes the Irish custom of bathing the face in the blood of the
slain and drinking it.[821] In some of these cases the intention may
simply have been to obtain the dead enemy's strength, but where a
sacrificial victim was concerned, the intention probably went further
than this. The blood of dead relatives was also drunk in order to
obtain their virtues, or to be brought into closer rapport with them.
[822] This is analogous to the custom of blood brotherhood, which also
existed among the Celts and continued as a survival in the Western
Isles until a late date.[823]
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