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 Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:04 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 25, 12:14 am, "Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | "Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 23, 9:32 pm, "Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
BTW Aine, you might compare Patrick's own words with Martin's unsupported
argument that, from Patrick onwards, druids were being carted off to be
burned. As I said at the time, there is no evidence of this at all. The
man
who wrote:
". . . the heathen among whom I live, I have shown them trust and always
show them trust. God knows I did not cheat any one of them, nor consider
it,
for the sake of God and his
Church, lest I arouse them and [bring about] persecution for them and for
all of us."
is unlikely to contenance druids being executed. Note that he remarks
that
he would not consider cheating Irish pagans lest he "arouse them and
bring
about persecution for them". I'd say that he had a very full
understanding
of the consequences of conflict between pagans and Christians seen
elsewhere
in Europe. To my mind, he was trying to find a better way than fire and
sword. That probably makes him the sanest man in Europe of his
generation. I
can't think of any other Christian of his time, or afterwards, who wished
to
avoid pagans being persecuted.
Kevin
I never said that Patrick persecuted the Druids. He couldn't, they
were still too powerful in his time.
But his worlds did inflame and incite the horror, the exterminations
and the burnings that came afterwards, culminating in the Final
Extermination of the Irish Druid Order, at Kilkenny, in 597 A.D.
The Order was then gone, but Druids, hidden across Ireland lived on.
Outlawed, their names proscribed, under pain of death.
Let's not revisit all that now, Kevin.
People have all the information they require.
Let them decide for themselves.
People now have both sides of the story, the Druid side from me, the
Christian side from you -
There is no need for reinforcement where adults are concerned.
Please let them decide.
They haven't heard the Christian side versus the druid side. What they've
heard is the account that can be substantiated with references versus the
account that can't. I've put up the links for them to go and have a look if
they want.
Kevin
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Even Hitler could justify his actions to himself as Patrick does by
his anger and incitement to murder here, to me he seems to be bi-
polar, suffering from manic-depression, at the very least, and that
is being kind to him.
No pious person would be so intemperate, no reasonable man so insane
with public anger as Patrick is.
You have NOT given the required references in all cases, just straws
that you grasp at.
You suffer from a head full of split hairs.
Amything and everything, bits and pieces from here, there and
everywhere, often totally irrelevant and dragged in and forced into
place to fit your thesis, your myriad speculations unsupported by any
academic authority.
By "Rome" I mean the Roman Church wherever it is Headquartered, and
its decision to annihilate the Irish Druids - which it very nearly
did.
Your speculations are Grotesque, Unique, Bizarre and Unprecedented,
Unsupported by any authority.
The Catholic Church would be so proud of you that they would give you
a medal, should they hear of your magnificent work here in support of
their blood-soaked hands, hands soaked in the blood of Irish Druids,
their families and clamds:
GUILTY PAGANS ARE CARRIED AWAY, Oengus, 800 A.D. (The Mss. Felire
Oengusso).
(There were snakes in reland, Academia acceots this). |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Hey Kevin ! |
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On Sep 24, 6:58 pm, "Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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| Quote: | People had gods - we know this. They're all over the place. Even in Irish
texts, you have folks saying things like "I swear by the god my people swear
by." There's no reason to suppose that the notion of a god was a Roman
introduction to Ireland - in fact, given that the same concept turns up in
the earliest stratum of the Vedas, which may well be Bronze Age according to
some estimations, it is probably an ancient concept as far as Indo-European
languages are concerned. It is certainly an ancient concept generally - it
turns up in Sumer. In short, neither the Romans, Greeks nor Egyptians
invented the idea.
You can't really say that they were only spirits, and the rest was Roman
misunderstanding or distortion, given the archaic nature of the concept, and
the fact that local people were chiselling 'god' or 'goddess' in their
indigenous language on bits of rock. The only thing that you can try and do
is find out how they understood gods and goddesses. Though don't be too
surprised at the concepts being very similar - the words from Celtic
languages, Latin and Sanskrit are etymologically cognate, as are names like
Dyaus Pitr, Jupiter and Zeus, to take Sanskrit, Latin and Greek examples.
Furthermore, Greek and Roman concepts of deity would have been leaking
across the border long before Celtic-speaking people were absorbed into the
Empire.
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The Celts didn't go around making up words and names for gods for
other peoples' gods either. It seems some people just want to ignore
what history teaches us while others like you generally see it's
lessons with 20/20 vision.
The Celts on the Continent had gods. The Celts in Britain had gods.
The Celts in Scotland and Man had gods, The Celts in Ireland
definitely had gods. The only Celts I'm not 100% certain about having
gods might be those in Asia Minor (because I have not see texts or
inscriptions about their gods). They probably also had gods being
Celts.
Nowadays most Celts seem to have Christian gods though they might also
have a few Pagan ones as well.
Now I'm wondering if a person can say they are a Celt if they don't
have gods. Did you ever hear or read about such a creature in your
studies of history?
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Mairtin O'Druachain
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 25, 12:14 am, "Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | "Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190646202.429743.7680@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 23, 9:32 pm, "Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
BTW Aine, you might compare Patrick's own words with Martin's unsupported
argument that, from Patrick onwards, druids were being carted off to be
burned. As I said at the time, there is no evidence of this at all. The
man
who wrote:
". . . the heathen among whom I live, I have shown them trust and always
show them trust. God knows I did not cheat any one of them, nor consider
it,
for the sake of God and his
Church, lest I arouse them and [bring about] persecution for them and for
all of us."
is unlikely to contenance druids being executed. Note that he remarks
that
he would not consider cheating Irish pagans lest he "arouse them and
bring
about persecution for them". I'd say that he had a very full
understanding
of the consequences of conflict between pagans and Christians seen
elsewhere
in Europe. To my mind, he was trying to find a better way than fire and
sword. That probably makes him the sanest man in Europe of his
generation. I
can't think of any other Christian of his time, or afterwards, who wished
to
avoid pagans being persecuted.
Kevin
I never said that Patrick persecuted the Druids. He couldn't, they
were still too powerful in his time.
But his worlds did inflame and incite the horror, the exterminations
and the burnings that came afterwards, culminating in the Final
Extermination of the Irish Druid Order, at Kilkenny, in 597 A.D.
The Order was then gone, but Druids, hidden across Ireland lived on.
Outlawed, their names proscribed, under pain of death.
Let's not revisit all that now, Kevin.
People have all the information they require.
Let them decide for themselves.
People now have both sides of the story, the Druid side from me, the
Christian side from you -
There is no need for reinforcement where adults are concerned.
Please let them decide.
They haven't heard the Christian side versus the druid side. What they've
heard is the account that can be substantiated with references versus the
account that can't. I've put up the links for them to go and have a look if
they want.
Kevin
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"The links", you mean links you choose and force into your jigsaw ,
bending and cutting off the edges of the pieces so as to fit, and even
many of those that fit do not belong in the puzzle set for they were
never meant to.
Others are just plain wrong. And I have never seen an academic in any
duscipline depend on wikipedia - you simply thrive on it for yout
thesis. I would fail yout thesis on this alone.
Your insistence on forcing history into being an empirical science
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Mairtin O'Druachain
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Hey Kevin ! |
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On Sep 25, 2:28 am, odubh...@comcast.net wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 24, 6:58 pm, "Kevin" <laighl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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People had gods - we know this. They're all over the place. Even in Irish
texts, you have folks saying things like "I swear by the god my people swear
by." There's no reason to suppose that the notion of a god was a Roman
introduction to Ireland - in fact, given that the same concept turns up in
the earliest stratum of the Vedas, which may well be Bronze Age according to
some estimations, it is probably an ancient concept as far as Indo-European
languages are concerned. It is certainly an ancient concept generally - it
turns up in Sumer. In short, neither the Romans, Greeks nor Egyptians
invented the idea.
You can't really say that they were only spirits, and the rest was Roman
misunderstanding or distortion, given the archaic nature of the concept, and
the fact that local people were chiselling 'god' or 'goddess' in their
indigenous language on bits of rock. The only thing that you can try and do
is find out how they understood gods and goddesses. Though don't be too
surprised at the concepts being very similar - the words from Celtic
languages, Latin and Sanskrit are etymologically cognate, as are names like
Dyaus Pitr, Jupiter and Zeus, to take Sanskrit, Latin and Greek examples.
Furthermore, Greek and Roman concepts of deity would have been leaking
across the border long before Celtic-speaking people were absorbed into the
Empire.
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The Celts didn't go around making up words and names for gods for
other peoples' gods either. It seems some people just want to ignore
what history teaches us while others like you generally see it's
lessons with 20/20 vision.
The Celts on the Continent had gods. The Celts in Britain had gods.
The Celts in Scotland and Man had gods, The Celts in Ireland
definitely had gods. The only Celts I'm not 100% certain about having
gods might be those in Asia Minor (because I have not see texts or
inscriptions about their gods). They probably also had gods being
Celts.
Nowadays most Celts seem to have Christian gods though they might also
have a few Pagan ones as well.
Now I'm wondering if a person can say they are a Celt if they don't
have gods. Did you ever hear or read about such a creature in your
studies of history?
Searles O'Dubhain
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Sorry, Searles, there were no Celts in Ireland. Also, I believe that
our Irish Druids may not have believed in gods and goddesses just
because the ordinary people did. I also believe that if Druidry were
allowed to develop unhindered into our present time, it would have no
gods.
BTW There were no Celts in Britain, that is, England, Scotland, Wales
and Man either - and I doubt if they reached as far north as Brittany,
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Hey Kevin ! |
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"Kevin" wrote
"1X2Willows" wrote
"Kevin" wrote
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since warriors frequently used things like amulets invoking a deity's
power to avert illness, death in battle and so on.
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Since we sort of flip-flop between eras in this conversation and I read
ahead to your answers, I'm going to have to ask you what warriors
you are talking about here, or rather, warriors of what era. Could you
narrow that down to a few centuries or so?
| Quote: | Sovereignty or translated "Genus Locii" are the only ones I can
think of, in said context. Never a so-called "deity".
Wheel symbols. Definitely the attribute of a god.
Know what you mean, I think, but dunno... I'd still hesitate to
employ such absolutes. Your respective research and inspiration
in honour (and I'll have to admit I still haven't read it all) but
isn't a wheel just a wheel sometimes? <puffing on cigar
Sometimes it is - but not in this instance. The fact that this symbol is
the attribute of a god is very well tied down.
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I guess my question was: Was it first a symbol for the "yearly wheel"
and got later adapted as the attribute of a god or was it the other way
around? Don't know for sure but my money is on the former.
| Quote: | That it is a god is
definite - that the wheel is an attribute of said god is definite. Only
thing is, though it is called a wheel symbol, a careful analysis and
comparison with real wheels shows that it isn't in fact a wheel. It's just
that folks, being unimaginative, decided that a cross in a circle looked
wheel-like so it must be a wheel.
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Yeah I got you there. So, in short, the point you're trying to make here
(and the one you're probably making in your dissertation) is, that
genuine wheel symbols are the ones with a dot or little concentric
circle in the middle (axle) while the other ones represent the yearly
cycle? As you can probably tell, I'm still confoozled...
| Quote: | I mean... Take this one for example, just one of many out of
the 200-300'000 petroglyph depictions from Valcamonica
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/inora/discoveries_46_2b.html
and read the caption. Then dig deeper and try to find out why
anyone would come up with such an interpretation. Totally
baseless IMO.
Hmm! Well, what you've got is a wheel and a probable horse. Not an unusual
combination - you get them on pre-Roman Iron Age coins.
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Yes, familiar with that.
| Quote: | Connecting it to Taranis is baseless, though you could say "Celtic
sky god". Arguing that it is transporting it is also baseless.
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Yup, though the whole notion of some critter named "Taranis"
being at least one of "(pan)Gallic gods" is still baseless to me.
My ancestors were Gauls and they certainly didn't worship gods
in that form at all; especially nothing in the form as can be
seen here, for example:
http://kernunnos.com/deities/Taranis.shtml
What a laugh!
Lucan was Roman and didn't know what the hades he was talking
about when he reported of "The Gauls" as if those Gauls had ever
been as sheeply organized as the society he knew.
| Quote: | You'll have to go over to Wade's site and read my dissertation.  I
covered some of this.
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"Good thing takes while" as the old proverb says and maybe,
who knows, this time has come. ;-)
| Quote: | No doubt wagons, carts and especially chariots meant power and
'social status' but amulets like the ones you mention could as well
have been worn for the same reason as "FORD TOUGH" TShirts
or NIKE caps are being worn today. Fashionable means of
identification with any given group. Occam rocks.
Only problem is with the wheels=chariots= power equation is that the
earliest wheel symbols are Danish, and predate that culture having spoked
wheels. The Celtic version does not conform to the requirements of real
contemporary wheels - no match whatsoever. For good measure, the symbol is
also seen in pre-Columbian America, where they never had the wheel. The
American version instead describes the position of the sun through the
year - namely the rising and setting points at the solstices. A bit of
analysis of the Celtic 'wheel' indicates that it represents exactly the
same, and that's undoubtedly what the Danish ones represent, given that
they didn't have spoked wheels at all at that time - they hadn't even got
north of the Alps, so they would never have seen a spoked wheel.
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Again... what era? I'm interested in everything back to about
the early bronze age in Europe, which knew chariots very well.
| Quote: | From that you can easily go to it being a representation of the divine law
that orders the heavens, thus sorts out the order of the seasons, and thus
the agricultural year, and thus maintains society, none of which is a
million miles away from the notion in both Irish and Roman texts (and the
Vedas) that agricultural fertility increases, the seasons are maintained,
and society is happy if the ruler maintains the laws of the gods. OTOH if
the ruler does not do this, the weather is unseasonal, crops fail, plagues
stalk man and animal and society is in upheaval.
That particular interpretation of the wheel fits the data very well. As
for fashion statements - they tend to change within a matter of years.
Folks were using wheels as amulets and as religious votives for
centuries - the same pattern of wheel that's seen in religious
iconography. to argue that it was a fashion statement would be a bit like
arguing that the Christian cross is only a fashion statement. It may be in
some cases - but for millions its a religious symbol. This is another
religious symbol, and it probably has a longer continuous history than the
cross - which is probably why the Irish Church assimilated it.
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No big fan here of any and all attempts to press living breathing history
into an amalgamous and rather linear corset. I hear you well of course,
what all the evidence is concerned, and all the rest, trying to explain
the unexplainable and make sense of the multitudes of ways in which
human beings behave while there isn't really any way to make sense
of it, but still... Think I know what you mean. ;)
| Quote: | Mind you, genius loci was the term the Romans used when
they didn't know what to call the spirit or deity at a shrine.
That's why I said "translated" to mean the more modern definition.
Agathias of Myrina says of the Alamanni fighting among the troops of
Frankish king Theudebald they
"worship trees, rivers, hills and gorges as gods, and decapitate horses
and cows, and innumerable other animals, as if it were a holy rite".
Same applied to transalpine Gauls when first met by Roman forces.
The habit of using the words spirit and deity as if they were
interchangable seems to be a direct result of the old Interpretatio
Romana on the western scientific mind; even after all these
Centuries. Spirit of place *was* the focus of reverence and honouring;
not just a place holder or analogy for personified diety. Quite the other
way 'round.
True - but we know what the locals called other spirits of place in their
own language, because we have inscriptions saying things like 'god' or
'goddess' in the local language.
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None from before the Roman conquest (say, 60BCE to make it simple?)
and except for areas which would have been subjected to acculturation
(Roman, Greek, Scythian...) by territorial proximity, no.
If you have any evidence to the contrary at all, please.
I'll be the first one to be interested.
| Quote: | People had gods - we know this. They're all over the place. Even in Irish
texts, you have folks saying things like "I swear by the god my people
swear by." There's no reason to suppose that the notion of a god was a
Roman introduction to Ireland - in fact, given that the same concept turns
up in the earliest stratum of the Vedas, which may well be Bronze Age
according to some estimations, it is probably an ancient concept as far as
Indo-European languages are concerned. It is certainly an ancient concept
generally - it turns up in Sumer. In short, neither the Romans, Greeks nor
Egyptians invented the idea.
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I'd agree "People had a sense of awe" about life per se as they do now.
Not everyone calls 'em "god" though. That's a rather deist take.
| Quote: | You can't really say that they were only spirits,
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"only spirits"?
You seem to misunderstand. Probably by subjecting "spirit" to some
hierarchical notion I'm not familiar with, but for whatever reason, you do.
| Quote: | and the rest was Roman
misunderstanding or distortion, given the archaic nature of the concept,
and the fact that local people were chiselling 'god' or 'goddess' in their
indigenous language on bits of rock. The only thing that you can try and
do is find out how they understood gods and goddesses. Though don't be too
surprised at the concepts being very similar - the words from Celtic
languages, Latin and Sanskrit are etymologically cognate, as are names
like Dyaus Pitr, Jupiter and Zeus, to take Sanskrit, Latin and Greek
examples. Furthermore, Greek and Roman concepts of deity would have been
leaking across the border long before Celtic-speaking people were absorbed
into the Empire.
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Down in the flatlands maybe...
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Before Alesia and in the heart land?
Positive proof, please.
References
- and don't think "Scholar A said Professor B proved that historian C
was correct in referencing Dr. D in his assumption they had gods"
will do it.
Positive proof, please.
Good luck with that.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Hey Kevin ! |
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On Sep 25, 7:45 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com>
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| Quote: | odubh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1190683733.154239.99060@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
The Celts on the Continent had gods.
Before Alesia and in the heart land?
Positive proof, please.
References
- and don't think "Scholar A said Professor B proved that historian C
was correct in referencing Dr. D in his assumption they had gods"
will do it.
Positive proof, please.
Good luck with that.
Dan
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Spirituality does not require the proof or approval of this world. The
Spirit converges, synchronises and the Spirit knows and communicates
regardless of Space and Time, which mean nothing in the Spirit World.
To People with the spirit of a mongrel fox like Dan, this would mean
nothing.
Anyway, History is not an empirical science, there are no formulae ,
and therefore no absolute "positive" proofs.
But Dan, having no professional education, would not know this.
Ignore him totally like the cretin he is - if you want to know.
Given under Guidance,
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Hey Kevin ! |
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"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidEire@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sep 25, 7:45 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
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odubh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1190683733.154239.99060@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
The Celts on the Continent had gods.
Before Alesia and in the heart land?
Positive proof, please.
References
- and don't think "Scholar A said Professor B proved that historian C
was correct in referencing Dr. D in his assumption they had gods"
will do it.
Positive proof, please.
Good luck with that.
Dan
Spirituality does not require the proof or approval of this world. The
Spirit converges, synchronises and the Spirit knows and communicates
regardless of Space and Time, which mean nothing in the Spirit World.
To People with the spirit of a mongrel fox like Dan, this would mean
nothing.
Anyway, History is not an empirical science, there are no formulae ,
and therefore no absolute "positive" proofs.
But Dan, having no professional education, would not know this.
Ignore him totally like the cretin he is - if you want to know.
Given under Guidance,
Mairtin.
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Mongrel Fox!
Now there's a new badge I'll wear proudly on my monitor. |
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On Sep 25, 8:09 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com>
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| Quote: | "Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190703250.426593.227260@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 7:45 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
odubh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1190683733.154239.99060@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
The Celts on the Continent had gods.
Before Alesia and in the heart land?
Positive proof, please.
References
- and don't think "Scholar A said Professor B proved that historian C
was correct in referencing Dr. D in his assumption they had gods"
will do it.
Positive proof, please.
Good luck with that.
Dan
Spirituality does not require the proof or approval of this world. The
Spirit converges, synchronises and the Spirit knows and communicates
regardless of Space and Time, which mean nothing in the Spirit World.
To People with the spirit of a mongrel fox like Dan, this would mean
nothing.
Anyway, History is not an empirical science, there are no formulae ,
and therefore no absolute "positive" proofs.
But Dan, having no professional education, would not know this.
Ignore him totally like the cretin he is - if you want to know.
Given under Guidance,
Mairtin.
Mongrel Fox!
Now there's a new badge I'll wear proudly on my monitor.
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Yes, as you are all cleverness, of little intelligence and LESS
EDUCATION
Felber -
"He's a real mowhere man,
Living in his nowhere land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.
Doesn't have a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to -
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"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidEire@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sep 25, 8:09 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
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"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 25, 7:45 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
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odubh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1190683733.154239.99060@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
The Celts on the Continent had gods.
Before Alesia and in the heart land?
Positive proof, please.
References
- and don't think "Scholar A said Professor B proved that historian C
was correct in referencing Dr. D in his assumption they had gods"
will do it.
Positive proof, please.
Good luck with that.
Dan
Spirituality does not require the proof or approval of this world. The
Spirit converges, synchronises and the Spirit knows and communicates
regardless of Space and Time, which mean nothing in the Spirit World.
To People with the spirit of a mongrel fox like Dan, this would mean
nothing.
Anyway, History is not an empirical science, there are no formulae ,
and therefore no absolute "positive" proofs.
But Dan, having no professional education, would not know this.
Ignore him totally like the cretin he is - if you want to know.
Given under Guidance,
Mairtin.
Mongrel Fox!
Now there's a new badge I'll wear proudly on my monitor.
Yes, as you are all cleverness, of little intelligence and LESS
EDUCATION
Felber -
"He's a real mowhere man,
Living in his nowhere land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.
Doesn't have a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to -
Nowhere Man do you see me at all ?
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Pub's closed I see.
What a shame...
Hey Mikey!
When I'm in Ireland, let's have a pint or twelve.
Whaddya'say?
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Mairtin O'Druachain
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On Sep 25, 8:25 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | "Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190704734.177453.177040@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 8:09 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190703250.426593.227260@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 7:45 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
odubh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1190683733.154239.99060@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
The Celts on the Continent had gods.
Before Alesia and in the heart land?
Positive proof, please.
References
- and don't think "Scholar A said Professor B proved that historian C
was correct in referencing Dr. D in his assumption they had gods"
will do it.
Positive proof, please.
Good luck with that.
Dan
Spirituality does not require the proof or approval of this world. The
Spirit converges, synchronises and the Spirit knows and communicates
regardless of Space and Time, which mean nothing in the Spirit World.
To People with the spirit of a mongrel fox like Dan, this would mean
nothing.
Anyway, History is not an empirical science, there are no formulae ,
and therefore no absolute "positive" proofs.
But Dan, having no professional education, would not know this.
Ignore him totally like the cretin he is - if you want to know.
Given under Guidance,
Mairtin.
Mongrel Fox!
Now there's a new badge I'll wear proudly on my monitor.
Yes, as you are all cleverness, of little intelligence and LESS
EDUCATION
Felber -
"He's a real mowhere man,
Living in his nowhere land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.
Doesn't have a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to -
Nowhere Man do you see me at all ?
Pub's closed I see.
What a shame...
Hey Mikey!
When I'm in Ireland, let's have a pint or twelve.
Whaddya'say?
:-Dan
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Will pass on the message to Michael on his return, though it would be
a cafe not a pub as he has not drank alcohol in years. Believe half of
what you see and none of what you hear :-)
Mairtin. |
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1X2Willows
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: Hey Kevin ! |
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"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidEire@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190706378.823629.244200@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | On Sep 25, 8:25 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190704734.177453.177040@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 8:09 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190703250.426593.227260@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 7:45 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
odubh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1190683733.154239.99060@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
The Celts on the Continent had gods.
Before Alesia and in the heart land?
Positive proof, please.
References
- and don't think "Scholar A said Professor B proved that historian
C
was correct in referencing Dr. D in his assumption they had gods"
will do it.
Positive proof, please.
Good luck with that.
Dan
Spirituality does not require the proof or approval of this world.
The
Spirit converges, synchronises and the Spirit knows and communicates
regardless of Space and Time, which mean nothing in the Spirit
World.
To People with the spirit of a mongrel fox like Dan, this would mean
nothing.
Anyway, History is not an empirical science, there are no formulae ,
and therefore no absolute "positive" proofs.
But Dan, having no professional education, would not know this.
Ignore him totally like the cretin he is - if you want to know.
Given under Guidance,
Mairtin.
Mongrel Fox!
Now there's a new badge I'll wear proudly on my monitor.
Yes, as you are all cleverness, of little intelligence and LESS
EDUCATION
Felber -
"He's a real mowhere man,
Living in his nowhere land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.
Doesn't have a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to -
Nowhere Man do you see me at all ?
Pub's closed I see.
What a shame...
Hey Mikey!
When I'm in Ireland, let's have a pint or twelve.
Whaddya'say?
:-Dan
Will pass on the message to Michael on his return, though it would be
a cafe not a pub as he has not drank alcohol in years. Believe half of
what you see and none of what you hear :-)
Mairtin.
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I don't do "Cafés" hiberno-style; only French.
Never mind then. Scratch that, Mikey. |
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Mairtin O'Druachain
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Hey Kevin ! |
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On Sep 25, 8:55 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | "Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190706378.823629.244200@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 8:25 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190704734.177453.177040@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 8:09 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190703250.426593.227260@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 7:45 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
odubh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1190683733.154239.99060@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
The Celts on the Continent had gods.
Before Alesia and in the heart land?
Positive proof, please.
References
- and don't think "Scholar A said Professor B proved that historian
C
was correct in referencing Dr. D in his assumption they had gods"
will do it.
Positive proof, please.
Good luck with that.
Dan
Spirituality does not require the proof or approval of this world.
The
Spirit converges, synchronises and the Spirit knows and communicates
regardless of Space and Time, which mean nothing in the Spirit
World.
To People with the spirit of a mongrel fox like Dan, this would mean
nothing.
Anyway, History is not an empirical science, there are no formulae ,
and therefore no absolute "positive" proofs.
But Dan, having no professional education, would not know this.
Ignore him totally like the cretin he is - if you want to know.
Given under Guidance,
Mairtin.
Mongrel Fox!
Now there's a new badge I'll wear proudly on my monitor.
Yes, as you are all cleverness, of little intelligence and LESS
EDUCATION
Felber -
"He's a real mowhere man,
Living in his nowhere land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.
Doesn't have a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to -
Nowhere Man do you see me at all ?
Pub's closed I see.
What a shame...
Hey Mikey!
When I'm in Ireland, let's have a pint or twelve.
Whaddya'say?
:-Dan
Will pass on the message to Michael on his return, though it would be
a cafe not a pub as he has not drank alcohol in years. Believe half of
what you see and none of what you hear :-)
Mairtin.
I don't do "Cafés" hiberno-style; only French.
Never mind then. Scratch that, Mikey.
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I am sure he will be only too happy to oblige.
Mairtin. |
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1X2Willows
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Hey Kevin ! |
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"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidEire@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190707370.932863.304050@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 8:55 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | "Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190706378.823629.244200@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 8:25 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190704734.177453.177040@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 8:09 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190703250.426593.227260@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 7:45 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
odubh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1190683733.154239.99060@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
The Celts on the Continent had gods.
Before Alesia and in the heart land?
Positive proof, please.
References
- and don't think "Scholar A said Professor B proved that
historian
C
was correct in referencing Dr. D in his assumption they had gods"
will do it.
Positive proof, please.
Good luck with that.
Dan
Spirituality does not require the proof or approval of this world.
The
Spirit converges, synchronises and the Spirit knows and
communicates
regardless of Space and Time, which mean nothing in the Spirit
World.
To People with the spirit of a mongrel fox like Dan, this would
mean
nothing.
Anyway, History is not an empirical science, there are no formulae
,
and therefore no absolute "positive" proofs.
But Dan, having no professional education, would not know this.
Ignore him totally like the cretin he is - if you want to know.
Given under Guidance,
Mairtin.
Mongrel Fox!
Now there's a new badge I'll wear proudly on my monitor.
Yes, as you are all cleverness, of little intelligence and LESS
EDUCATION
Felber -
"He's a real mowhere man,
Living in his nowhere land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.
Doesn't have a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to -
Nowhere Man do you see me at all ?
Pub's closed I see.
What a shame...
Hey Mikey!
When I'm in Ireland, let's have a pint or twelve.
Whaddya'say?
:-Dan
Will pass on the message to Michael on his return, though it would be
a cafe not a pub as he has not drank alcohol in years. Believe half of
what you see and none of what you hear :-)
Mairtin.
I don't do "Cafés" hiberno-style; only French.
Never mind then. Scratch that, Mikey.
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I am sure he will be only too happy to oblige.
Mairtin.
~~~~~~~~~~~
Me too, as anyone would, speaking of themselves
in the third person.
Good Night, NaziBoy |
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Mairtin O'Druachain
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Hey Kevin ! |
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On Sep 25, 9:22 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | "Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190707370.932863.304050@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 8:55 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190706378.823629.244200@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 8:25 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190704734.177453.177040@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 8:09 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190703250.426593.227260@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 7:45 am, "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com
wrote:
odubh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1190683733.154239.99060@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
The Celts on the Continent had gods.
Before Alesia and in the heart land?
Positive proof, please.
References
- and don't think "Scholar A said Professor B proved that
historian
C
was correct in referencing Dr. D in his assumption they had gods"
will do it.
Positive proof, please.
Good luck with that.
Dan
Spirituality does not require the proof or approval of this world.
The
Spirit converges, synchronises and the Spirit knows and
communicates
regardless of Space and Time, which mean nothing in the Spirit
World.
To People with the spirit of a mongrel fox like Dan, this would
mean
nothing.
Anyway, History is not an empirical science, there are no formulae
,
and therefore no absolute "positive" proofs.
But Dan, having no professional education, would not know this.
Ignore him totally like the cretin he is - if you want to know.
Given under Guidance,
Mairtin.
Mongrel Fox!
Now there's a new badge I'll wear proudly on my monitor.
Yes, as you are all cleverness, of little intelligence and LESS
EDUCATION
Felber -
"He's a real mowhere man,
Living in his nowhere land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.
Doesn't have a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to -
Nowhere Man do you see me at all ?
Pub's closed I see.
What a shame...
Hey Mikey!
When I'm in Ireland, let's have a pint or twelve.
Whaddya'say?
:-Dan
Will pass on the message to Michael on his return, though it would be
a cafe not a pub as he has not drank alcohol in years. Believe half of
what you see and none of what you hear :-)
Mairtin.
I don't do "Cafés" hiberno-style; only French.
Never mind then. Scratch that, Mikey.
I am sure he will be only too happy to oblige.
Mairtin.
~~~~~~~~~~~
Me too, as anyone would, speaking of themselves
in the third person.
Good Night, NaziBoy
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Cheerio Yellow Swiss Scumbag
You ain't norhin but a slimy Swiss Toe Rag
Your Dad was a Nazi
Your mother a Jewess
What a Fucked Up Combo you turned out to be
You Ignorant Cowardly Mongrel Fox
Any half decent Paddy would soon kick you to fucking death
As will happen, Felber, if I ever get my hands on you
Fucking Keyboard Killer Boy.
If we ever identify you
we'll put your address up on the Web
Then cower, Asshole Merchant Boy
Cos Paddy will bne comin to getcha
-
That's a Sacred Promise.
And I will fuckin Murder you.
All who are with you
And burn your fuckin house down around you.
You're not dealin with Micko now :-)
Anybody who knows where Felber is, please email me
The Cunt won't live to see Xmas.
That's a Sacred Vow. |
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