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 Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: Hey Michael ! |
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You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
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Jim
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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| Quote: | You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
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Richard de Clare, not Richard de Kilkenny. |
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Mairtin O'Druachain
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 21, 7:22 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
| Quote: | You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
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Some powerful Druids came from Tuathmhumham, were invited to the Rock
of Cashel by the King of Munster, and were granted land by him in the
Comeragh Mountains of the Deise. And they survived.
You're psychic to mention that just now. |
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Mairtin O'Druachain
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:39 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 21, 8:36 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 21, 7:22 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
Jim
Some powerful Druids came from Tuathmhumham, were invited to the Rock
of Cashel by the King of Munster, and were granted land by him in the
Comeragh Mountains of the Deise. And they survived.
You're psychic to mention that just now.
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Michael is not of Kilkenny, I may be. |
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Jim
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidEire@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sep 21, 7:22 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
Jim
Some powerful Druids came from Tuathmhumham, were invited to the Rock
of Cashel by the King of Munster, and were granted land by him in the
Comeragh Mountains of the Deise. And they survived.
You're psychic to mention that just now.
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I converse with people in Thomond. People linked to the old Ballyally.
They say good things about the reclusive ones to the four directions from
them.
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Jim
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:55 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidEire@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sep 21, 8:36 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 21, 7:22 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
Jim
Some powerful Druids came from Tuathmhumham, were invited to the Rock
of Cashel by the King of Munster, and were granted land by him in the
Comeragh Mountains of the Deise. And they survived.
You're psychic to mention that just now.
Michael is not of Kilkenny, I may be.
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I'm not knocking Kilkenny. Just trying to get a rise out of Michael. I miss
talking with him.
P.S. I'm really enjoying your posts. I prefer substantive writing like yours
to the empty fluff
that appears on ARD, i.e. the American expert nonsense. :-)
I tend to pick on Christians but only in the American fundamentalist case.
All my relatives in your country are Catholics and the absolute salt of the
earth.
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Mairtin O'Druachain
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:31 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 21, 8:55 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190403566.649958.278980@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 8:36 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 21, 7:22 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
Jim
Some powerful Druids came from Tuathmhumham, were invited to the Rock
of Cashel by the King of Munster, and were granted land by him in the
Comeragh Mountains of the Deise. And they survived.
You're psychic to mention that just now.
Michael is not of Kilkenny, I may be.
I'm not knocking Kilkenny. Just trying to get a rise out of Michael. I miss
talking with him.
P.S. I'm really enjoying your posts. I prefer substantive writing like yours
to the empty fluff
that appears on ARD, i.e. the American expert nonsense. :-)
I tend to pick on Christians but only in the American fundamentalist case.
All my relatives in your country are Catholics and the absolute salt of the
earth.
Jim
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Kilkenny, Cill Chainnigh = The Church of Canice, the most modern name
for here, coming from 597 A.D. when the missionary Canice arrived with
a Christian Army and the Druids fought to the death above on the
Mound, where St. Canice's Cathedral with Round Tower stands
majestically today (built by the Normans), here was the last of the
Irish Druid Order.
It took 220 years since the days of St. Kieran, 377 AD to the
onslaught of St. Canice in 597 AD to 'convert' Kilkenny and the People
of the Osrai, and then by bloody force of arms as the Osrai fought to
the death against Christian armies pouring into Kilkenny from all over
Ireland.
Canice went to seminary with Colmcille, and Canice was the son of a
Filidh of Donegal. To this day there is a dustrust of Donegal people
in these parts.
Strangely, Kilkenny (The Diocese of Ossory) went on to be the most
Loyal Catholic part of Ireland, was seat to the Catholic Conferation
of Kilkenny (The Irish Parliament of the Normans and native Irish) and
capital of Ireland until Cromwell came to bloodily put an end to their
Royalist resistance in 1649 A.D.
In Druidic times, The Kingdom of the Osrai, or Usrai = The Kingdom of
the People of the Serpent (probably meaning Dragon). In Urmhumhan
(East Munster) then, anglicised to Ormonde. Since the Normans came, in
Leinster.
Became the greatest Norman City of all in Ireland. In ancient times
always swung between supporting the King of Leinster or Munster as it
suited them, always inveterate enemies of the King of Meath (Midhe)
where Tara lies. |
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Jim
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidEire@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190406715.519925.198350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | On Sep 21, 8:55 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190403566.649958.278980@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 8:36 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 21, 7:22 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
Jim
Some powerful Druids came from Tuathmhumham, were invited to the Rock
of Cashel by the King of Munster, and were granted land by him in the
Comeragh Mountains of the Deise. And they survived.
You're psychic to mention that just now.
Michael is not of Kilkenny, I may be.
I'm not knocking Kilkenny. Just trying to get a rise out of Michael. I
miss
talking with him.
P.S. I'm really enjoying your posts. I prefer substantive writing like
yours
to the empty fluff
that appears on ARD, i.e. the American expert nonsense. :-)
I tend to pick on Christians but only in the American fundamentalist
case.
All my relatives in your country are Catholics and the absolute salt of
the
earth.
Jim
Kilkenny, Cill Chainnigh = The Church of Canice, the most modern name
for here, coming from 597 A.D. when the missionary Canice arrived with
a Christian Army and the Druids fought to the death above on the
Mound, where St. Canice's Cathedral with Round Tower stands
majestically today (built by the Normans), here was the last of the
Irish Druid Order.
It took 220 years since the days of St. Kieran, 377 AD to the
onslaught of St. Canice in 597 AD to 'convert' Kilkenny and the People
of the Osrai, and then by bloody force of arms as the Osrai fought to
the death against Christian armies pouring into Kilkenny from all over
Ireland.
Canice went to seminary with Colmcille, and Canice was the son of a
Filidh of Donegal. To this day there is a dustrust of Donegal people
in these parts.
Strangely, Kilkenny (The Diocese of Ossory) went on to be the most
Loyal Catholic part of Ireland, was seat to the Catholic Conferation
of Kilkenny (The Irish Parliament of the Normans and native Irish) and
capital of Ireland until Cromwell came to bloodily put an end to their
Royalist resistance in 1649 A.D.
In Druidic times, The Kingdom of the Osrai, or Usrai = The Kingdom of
the People of the Serpent (probably meaning Dragon). In Urmhumhan
(East Munster) then, anglicised to Ormonde. Since the Normans came, in
Leinster.
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Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids were
called Dragons.
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Became the greatest Norman City of all in Ireland. In ancient times
always swung between supporting the King of Leinster or Munster as it
suited them, always inveterate enemies of the King of Meath (Midhe)
where Tara lies.
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aine
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 21, 1:48 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190406715.519925.198350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 8:55 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190403566.649958.278980@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 8:36 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 21, 7:22 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
Jim
Some powerful Druids came from Tuathmhumham, were invited to the Rock
of Cashel by the King of Munster, and were granted land by him in the
Comeragh Mountains of the Deise. And they survived.
You're psychic to mention that just now.
Michael is not of Kilkenny, I may be.
I'm not knocking Kilkenny. Just trying to get a rise out of Michael. I
miss
talking with him.
P.S. I'm really enjoying your posts. I prefer substantive writing like
yours
to the empty fluff
that appears on ARD, i.e. the American expert nonsense. :-)
I tend to pick on Christians but only in the American fundamentalist
case.
All my relatives in your country are Catholics and the absolute salt of
the
earth.
Jim
Kilkenny, Cill Chainnigh = The Church of Canice, the most modern name
for here, coming from 597 A.D. when the missionary Canice arrived with
a Christian Army and the Druids fought to the death above on the
Mound, where St. Canice's Cathedral with Round Tower stands
majestically today (built by the Normans), here was the last of the
Irish Druid Order.
It took 220 years since the days of St. Kieran, 377 AD to the
onslaught of St. Canice in 597 AD to 'convert' Kilkenny and the People
of the Osrai, and then by bloody force of arms as the Osrai fought to
the death against Christian armies pouring into Kilkenny from all over
Ireland.
Canice went to seminary with Colmcille, and Canice was the son of a
Filidh of Donegal. To this day there is a dustrust of Donegal people
in these parts.
Strangely, Kilkenny (The Diocese of Ossory) went on to be the most
Loyal Catholic part of Ireland, was seat to the Catholic Conferation
of Kilkenny (The Irish Parliament of the Normans and native Irish) and
capital of Ireland until Cromwell came to bloodily put an end to their
Royalist resistance in 1649 A.D.
In Druidic times, The Kingdom of the Osrai, or Usrai = The Kingdom of
the People of the Serpent (probably meaning Dragon). In Urmhumhan
(East Munster) then, anglicised to Ormonde. Since the Normans came, in
Leinster.
Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids were
called Dragons.
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YES!! They were. Which is why I named my son Talon, for the Dragon and
the Red Dragon is is birth spirit guide.
Most of us know that the Celts held the head as sacred. When in
battle, it was written (somewhere sorry) that they drank a bit of
blood from the Fallen Warriors (I believe their own) from the head to
take in the Fallen Warriors greatness and battle experience. A bit of
their spirit.
Which is why I asked here somewhere recently but was never answered,
if possibly this could be where the term Vampire came from or Dracula?
Not sure how I put it. |
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aine
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:39 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 21, 3:36 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 21, 1:48 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190406715.519925.198350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 8:55 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190403566.649958.278980@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 8:36 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 21, 7:22 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
Jim
Some powerful Druids came from Tuathmhumham, were invited to the Rock
of Cashel by the King of Munster, and were granted land by him in the
Comeragh Mountains of the Deise. And they survived.
You're psychic to mention that just now.
Michael is not of Kilkenny, I may be.
I'm not knocking Kilkenny. Just trying to get a rise out of Michael. I
miss
talking with him.
P.S. I'm really enjoying your posts. I prefer substantive writing like
yours
to the empty fluff
that appears on ARD, i.e. the American expert nonsense. :-)
I tend to pick on Christians but only in the American fundamentalist
case.
All my relatives in your country are Catholics and the absolute salt of
the
earth.
Jim
Kilkenny, Cill Chainnigh = The Church of Canice, the most modern name
for here, coming from 597 A.D. when the missionary Canice arrived with
a Christian Army and the Druids fought to the death above on the
Mound, where St. Canice's Cathedral with Round Tower stands
majestically today (built by the Normans), here was the last of the
Irish Druid Order.
It took 220 years since the days of St. Kieran, 377 AD to the
onslaught of St. Canice in 597 AD to 'convert' Kilkenny and the People
of the Osrai, and then by bloody force of arms as the Osrai fought to
the death against Christian armies pouring into Kilkenny from all over
Ireland.
Canice went to seminary with Colmcille, and Canice was the son of a
Filidh of Donegal. To this day there is a dustrust of Donegal people
in these parts.
Strangely, Kilkenny (The Diocese of Ossory) went on to be the most
Loyal Catholic part of Ireland, was seat to the Catholic Conferation
of Kilkenny (The Irish Parliament of the Normans and native Irish) and
capital of Ireland until Cromwell came to bloodily put an end to their
Royalist resistance in 1649 A.D.
In Druidic times, The Kingdom of the Osrai, or Usrai = The Kingdom of
the People of the Serpent (probably meaning Dragon). In Urmhumhan
(East Munster) then, anglicised to Ormonde. Since the Normans came, in
Leinster.
Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids were
called Dragons.
YES!! They were. Which is why I named my son Talon, for the Dragon and
the Red Dragon is is birth spirit guide.
Most of us know that the Celts held the head as sacred. When in
battle, it was written (somewhere sorry) that they drank a bit of
blood from the Fallen Warriors (I believe their own) from the head to
take in the Fallen Warriors greatness and battle experience. A bit of
their spirit.
Which is why I asked here somewhere recently but was never answered,
if possibly this could be where the term Vampire came from or Dracula?
Not sure how I put it.- Hide quoted text -
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Take Dracula out..I already know how that name came about. I meant
Vampires in general. |
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Jim
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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"aine" <aine_nicneven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sep 21, 3:36 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 21, 1:48 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190406715.519925.198350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 8:55 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190403566.649958.278980@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 8:36 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 21, 7:22 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
Jim
Some powerful Druids came from Tuathmhumham, were invited to the
Rock
of Cashel by the King of Munster, and were granted land by him in
the
Comeragh Mountains of the Deise. And they survived.
You're psychic to mention that just now.
Michael is not of Kilkenny, I may be.
I'm not knocking Kilkenny. Just trying to get a rise out of Michael.
I
miss
talking with him.
P.S. I'm really enjoying your posts. I prefer substantive writing
like
yours
to the empty fluff
that appears on ARD, i.e. the American expert nonsense. :-)
I tend to pick on Christians but only in the American fundamentalist
case.
All my relatives in your country are Catholics and the absolute salt
of
the
earth.
Jim
Kilkenny, Cill Chainnigh = The Church of Canice, the most modern name
for here, coming from 597 A.D. when the missionary Canice arrived
with
a Christian Army and the Druids fought to the death above on the
Mound, where St. Canice's Cathedral with Round Tower stands
majestically today (built by the Normans), here was the last of the
Irish Druid Order.
It took 220 years since the days of St. Kieran, 377 AD to the
onslaught of St. Canice in 597 AD to 'convert' Kilkenny and the
People
of the Osrai, and then by bloody force of arms as the Osrai fought to
the death against Christian armies pouring into Kilkenny from all
over
Ireland.
Canice went to seminary with Colmcille, and Canice was the son of a
Filidh of Donegal. To this day there is a dustrust of Donegal people
in these parts.
Strangely, Kilkenny (The Diocese of Ossory) went on to be the most
Loyal Catholic part of Ireland, was seat to the Catholic Conferation
of Kilkenny (The Irish Parliament of the Normans and native Irish)
and
capital of Ireland until Cromwell came to bloodily put an end to
their
Royalist resistance in 1649 A.D.
In Druidic times, The Kingdom of the Osrai, or Usrai = The Kingdom of
the People of the Serpent (probably meaning Dragon). In Urmhumhan
(East Munster) then, anglicised to Ormonde. Since the Normans came,
in
Leinster.
Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids were
called Dragons.
YES!! They were. Which is why I named my son Talon, for the Dragon and
the Red Dragon is is birth spirit guide.
Most of us know that the Celts held the head as sacred. When in
battle, it was written (somewhere sorry) that they drank a bit of
blood from the Fallen Warriors (I believe their own) from the head to
take in the Fallen Warriors greatness and battle experience. A bit of
their spirit.
Which is why I asked here somewhere recently but was never answered,
if possibly this could be where the term Vampire came from or Dracula?
Not sure how I put it.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Take Dracula out..I already know how that name came about. I meant
Vampires in general.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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On Sep 21, 6:36 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 21, 1:48 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190406715.519925.198350@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 8:55 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190403566.649958.278980@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 21, 8:36 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 21, 7:22 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
Jim
Some powerful Druids came from Tuathmhumham, were invited to the Rock
of Cashel by the King of Munster, and were granted land by him in the
Comeragh Mountains of the Deise. And they survived.
You're psychic to mention that just now.
Michael is not of Kilkenny, I may be.
I'm not knocking Kilkenny. Just trying to get a rise out of Michael. I
miss
talking with him.
P.S. I'm really enjoying your posts. I prefer substantive writing like
yours
to the empty fluff
that appears on ARD, i.e. the American expert nonsense. :-)
I tend to pick on Christians but only in the American fundamentalist
case.
All my relatives in your country are Catholics and the absolute salt of
the
earth.
Jim
Kilkenny, Cill Chainnigh = The Church of Canice, the most modern name
for here, coming from 597 A.D. when the missionary Canice arrived with
a Christian Army and the Druids fought to the death above on the
Mound, where St. Canice's Cathedral with Round Tower stands
majestically today (built by the Normans), here was the last of the
Irish Druid Order.
It took 220 years since the days of St. Kieran, 377 AD to the
onslaught of St. Canice in 597 AD to 'convert' Kilkenny and the People
of the Osrai, and then by bloody force of arms as the Osrai fought to
the death against Christian armies pouring into Kilkenny from all over
Ireland.
Canice went to seminary with Colmcille, and Canice was the son of a
Filidh of Donegal. To this day there is a dustrust of Donegal people
in these parts.
Strangely, Kilkenny (The Diocese of Ossory) went on to be the most
Loyal Catholic part of Ireland, was seat to the Catholic Conferation
of Kilkenny (The Irish Parliament of the Normans and native Irish) and
capital of Ireland until Cromwell came to bloodily put an end to their
Royalist resistance in 1649 A.D.
In Druidic times, The Kingdom of the Osrai, or Usrai = The Kingdom of
the People of the Serpent (probably meaning Dragon). In Urmhumhan
(East Munster) then, anglicised to Ormonde. Since the Normans came, in
Leinster.
Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids were
called Dragons.
YES!! They were. Which is why I named my son Talon, for the Dragon and
the Red Dragon is is birth spirit guide.
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Druids may have been known as adders but not as dragons. Dragon was a
nickname for Irish warriors. The Druids themselves liked to call
themselves "swineherds" (for obvious reasons). :-)
| Quote: | Most of us know that the Celts held the head as sacred. When in
battle, it was written (somewhere sorry) that they drank a bit of
blood from the Fallen Warriors (I believe their own) from the head to
take in the Fallen Warriors greatness and battle experience. A bit of
their spirit.
Which is why I asked here somewhere recently but was never answered,
if possibly this could be where the term Vampire came from or Dracula?
Not sure how I put it.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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It's not where the idea of vampires comes from. Drinking blood from a
fallen hero or relative is an old Irish and European custom. It's also
have bonds and oaths are instigated. Using the head as a drinking cup
by Celts or drinking from a head is considered to be taking in the
soul or spirit of the fallen. That is why so many sacred wells are
said to have heads within them.
Searles O'Dubhain |
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1X2Willows
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:34 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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| Quote: | On Sep 21, 6:36 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 21, 1:48 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids were
called Dragons.
YES!! They were. Which is why I named my son Talon, for the Dragon and
the Red Dragon is is birth spirit guide.
Druids may have been known as adders but not as dragons. Dragon was a
nickname for Irish warriors. The Druids themselves liked to call
themselves "swineherds" (for obvious reasons). :-)
Most of us know that the Celts held the head as sacred. When in
battle, it was written (somewhere sorry) that they drank a bit of
blood from the Fallen Warriors (I believe their own) from the head to
take in the Fallen Warriors greatness and battle experience. A bit of
their spirit.
Which is why I asked here somewhere recently but was never answered,
if possibly this could be where the term Vampire came from or Dracula?
Not sure how I put it.
It's not where the idea of vampires comes from. Drinking blood from a
fallen hero or relative is an old Irish and European custom. It's also
have bonds and oaths are instigated. Using the head as a drinking cup
by Celts or drinking from a head is considered to be taking in the
soul or spirit of the fallen. That is why so many sacred wells are
said to have heads within them.
Searles O'Dubhain
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FWIW, I concur with the Gentleman's opinion based on my own
experience and research. Mostly, not 100% but largely.
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"Jim" <stonelodge@softcom.net> wrote in message
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"aine" <aine_nicneven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 3:36 pm, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 21, 1:48 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 8:55 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
"Mairtin O'Druachain" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 8:36 pm, Mairtin O'Druachain <DruidE...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 21, 7:22 pm, "Jim" <stonelo...@softcom.net> wrote:
You overlooked Tuathmhumhan---Thomond.
Its all Kilkenny with you.
Jim
Some powerful Druids came from Tuathmhumham, were invited to the
Rock
of Cashel by the King of Munster, and were granted land by him
in the
Comeragh Mountains of the Deise. And they survived.
You're psychic to mention that just now.
Michael is not of Kilkenny, I may be.
I'm not knocking Kilkenny. Just trying to get a rise out of
Michael. I
miss
talking with him.
P.S. I'm really enjoying your posts. I prefer substantive writing
like
yours
to the empty fluff
that appears on ARD, i.e. the American expert nonsense. :-)
I tend to pick on Christians but only in the American
fundamentalist
case.
All my relatives in your country are Catholics and the absolute
salt of
the
earth.
Jim
Kilkenny, Cill Chainnigh = The Church of Canice, the most modern
name
for here, coming from 597 A.D. when the missionary Canice arrived
with
a Christian Army and the Druids fought to the death above on the
Mound, where St. Canice's Cathedral with Round Tower stands
majestically today (built by the Normans), here was the last of the
Irish Druid Order.
It took 220 years since the days of St. Kieran, 377 AD to the
onslaught of St. Canice in 597 AD to 'convert' Kilkenny and the
People
of the Osrai, and then by bloody force of arms as the Osrai fought
to
the death against Christian armies pouring into Kilkenny from all
over
Ireland.
Canice went to seminary with Colmcille, and Canice was the son of a
Filidh of Donegal. To this day there is a dustrust of Donegal people
in these parts.
Strangely, Kilkenny (The Diocese of Ossory) went on to be the most
Loyal Catholic part of Ireland, was seat to the Catholic Conferation
of Kilkenny (The Irish Parliament of the Normans and native Irish)
and
capital of Ireland until Cromwell came to bloodily put an end to
their
Royalist resistance in 1649 A.D.
In Druidic times, The Kingdom of the Osrai, or Usrai = The Kingdom
of
the People of the Serpent (probably meaning Dragon). In Urmhumhan
(East Munster) then, anglicised to Ormonde. Since the Normans came,
in
Leinster.
Years ago my teacher said he was pretty sure that the Irish Druids
were
called Dragons.
YES!! They were. Which is why I named my son Talon, for the Dragon and
the Red Dragon is is birth spirit guide.
Most of us know that the Celts held the head as sacred. When in
battle, it was written (somewhere sorry) that they drank a bit of
blood from the Fallen Warriors (I believe their own) from the head to
take in the Fallen Warriors greatness and battle experience. A bit of
their spirit.
Which is why I asked here somewhere recently but was never answered,
if possibly this could be where the term Vampire came from or Dracula?
Not sure how I put it.- Hide quoted text -
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Take Dracula out..I already know how that name came about. I meant
Vampires in general.
Try Draco.
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Well, there's a bit of confusion here, courtesy Bram Stoker, cos Vlad Tepes,
aka Dracula (Little Dragon or son of the Dragon, 'Dragon' being his father's
nickname) wasn't a vampire until Stoker dragged him into the centre of the
legend. Dracula did however scare the crap out of the Turks:
"Vlad Tepes is alleged to have committed even more impalements and other
tortures against invading Ottoman forces. It was reported that an invading
Ottoman army turned back in fright when it encountered thousands of rotting
corpses impaled on the banks of the Danube. It has also been said that in
1462 Mehmed II, the conqueror of Constantinople, a man not noted for his
squeamishness, returned to Constantinople after being sickened by the sight
of 20,000 impaled corpses outside of Vlad's capital of Târgoviste. Many of
the victims were Turkish prisoners of war Vlad had previously captured
during the Turkish invasion. The total Turkish casualty toll in this battle
reached over 40,000. The warrior sultan turned command of the campaign
against Vlad over to subordinates and returned to Istanbul, even though his
army had initially outnumbered Vlad's three to one and was better equipped."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_the_Impaler
The 'draco' connection in this part of the world is ancient. in Roman times
this used to be Dacia. The Dacian Draco was a battlestandard consisting of a
bronze wolf's head mounted on a pole, with a windsock attached to the metal
head - it made a whistling sound when the wind moved through it. Originally
developed by the steppe cavalry of the Sarmatians and Alans, it first
appears in Dacia round about the 4th century BC. The Romans adopted the
Draco after Trajan's war against Dacia, only it became the more familiar
dragon standard or Roman cavalry - and probably hence the whole bit
concerning pendragons (chief dragon) and dragons in Wales.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacian_Draco
Vampires themselves (or rather their equivalent) have an ancient history,
the earliest recorded being the Babylonian Lilu (hence the Jewish Lilith)
and the older Sumerian Akhkharu. However, these targeted pregnant women and
new born babies. The more familiar modern legend appears to be of a mix of
Greek and Slavic origins. In the latter the vampire starts out as a shadow,
then gains form and strength from the blood it has consumed, passing through
a a jelly-like mass stage until it builds up a human type body nearly
identical to the one it had in life. After that, it leaves the grave
permanently and starts a new life as a human. Usually male, it is sexually
active and can sire children (zamphir or dhampir) - female vampires would
eventually exhaust their human husband or lover. 'Living' vampires don't eat
garlic - a method of detecting them in Romania. Oh, dhampir could make a
good living as vampire hunters in the Balkans.
There you go - any use? No connection with Celtic speaking people though.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:03 am Post subject: Re: Hey Michael ! |
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Kevin
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Hey... how about them Celtic Glasgow soccer players?
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