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Leonard Abbott · Guest

How the RCC sexually perverted America

We can be sure Paul was referring to the Roman Catholic Church when he
wrote.

1 Tim 4:1-5
"And the Spirit expressly speaketh, that in latter times shall certain
fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings
of demons, in hypocrisy speaking lies, being seared in their own
conscience, forbidding to marry -- to abstain from meats

Catholicism is the only Christian Religion that qualifies, No other
major religion forbids its ministers from taking a wife.

Like wise Catholicism is the only major religion that preaches -- to
abstain from meats.

But the real clincher is ''in hypocrisy speaking lies,'' When Pope
Gregory issued the order to Married priests ''You can live with your
wife, but You are to abstain from having sexual relations with your
wife''

If was hypocrisy of the highest order because, Gregory and the Cardinals
knew full well, Priests would not stop having Sex with their wives.

Perhaps some older Priests obeyed the Pope's order, but it is highly
unlikely any of the younger priests obeyed.

What was the reason for such, unbiblical anti-Christian behaviour by
Pope Gregory?

An unusual political situation had developed throughout out Southern
Europe . The Arians had Conquered most of Europe. Arians were a
religious tolerant people, but were leary about the Roman Church's past
record of using Religion to conquer Nations.

Several cannons were adapted to make it appear Rome had mended her
wicked ways. ''separation of Church and State'' one cannon made it
appear Rome was no longer interested in being a world power through
religion.

The acetic way of life cannon, would allow the Church to establish its
self in hostile territory that the Arians controlled.

Celibacy of priests and Nuns, would keep Priests and Nuns from marrying
or even mixing with the general population, This was an effort to
appease the new conquers of Europe, and allowing the Church to survive.

We can be confident Paul was specifically referring to the hypocrisy of
Rome, because he refers to ''forbidding to marry -- to abstain from
meats'' 1 Tim 4:1-5

Both forbidding to marry, and -- to abstain from meats originated from
Pope Gregory's Orders. to Justify his orders, Priests and Nuns were told
all sex was evil , it was even evil for animates to have sex.

Since meat was a product from animates having sex, Eating meat was also
considered sinful. The Church eased these restrictions on eating meat
in later times , but still clings to Gregory's cannon on celibacy for
priests and Nuns.

The Reformation broke protestantism away from Rome, But None of the
Christian Religious organizations have developed a wholesome Christian
view on sex, Abstinence for example is execrated by all factions of
American society. Although it is not found in the bible.

All kinds of crazy laws and restrictions, have evolved from Gregory's
orders, because Christians are unable to Understand the the Sex code
established in the bible.

Homosexuality is considered to be genetic, and Teen age boys are
sometimes sent to prison for having sex with a teen age girl, even when
the girl is older than the boy, and the girl may be a sex predator.

Michael · Guest

In article <12592-4416DF2F-671@storefull-3315.bay.webtv.net>,
leonard-abbott@webtv.net (Leonard Abbott) wrote:

Leonard Abbott · Guest

Re: How the RCC sexually perverted America~~~ Michael ttt
(Michael)
No one can excuse some actions within the RCC as Christian, but then,
the PC(USA) has not always been a paragon of Christianity either. I
think that your criticism is on target with relation to the 'cover up',
however, the problem must rest with those within the organization of men
who made the choice to strive to live in an Image quite different from
Jesus Christ, this includes those who engaged in the act, as well as
those who engaged in the cover up.
True, the buck stops with the Pope, but before critizing the entire RCC
of which there are a great many good Christian participants, now that
the cover up is uncovered at last, grade the RCC on how it chooses to
deal with unrepentant sin, restoration of the victims and restoration of
the Body.

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len=PC USA Is really a product of an alliance between Catholicism and
Zionism. The two conspired at the end of WWll in order to control
America. and it worked.

The whole story can be found in Daniel's prophecy'' DAN 11;6 ''And at
the end of some years, they will ally themselves with each other, and
the very daughter of the king of the south ,will come to the king of the
North, in order to make an equitable arrangement.

There was blood on the hands of both The Vatican and Zionism when the
war ended the ''equitable arrangement ' allowed the two belligerents to
place all the blame on the crazy man Hitler.

But the War was really a civil war between Catholics and Zionists. ttt

lenny

Michael · Guest

In article <5727-441886A5-940@storefull-3314.bay.webtv.net>,
leonard-abbott@webtv.net (Leonard Abbott) wrote:

Leonard Abbott · Guest

Re: How the RCC sexually perverted America~~~ Michael ttt

Group: alt.religion.christian.presbyterian Date: Mon, Mar 27, 2006,
10:48pm (CST+6) From: mikeburt@ix.netcom.com (Michael)
In article <5727-441886A5-940@storefull-3314.bay.webtv.net>,
leonard-abbott@webtv.net (Leonard Abbott) wrote:
Re: How the RCC sexually perverted America~~~ Michael ttt
(Michael)
No one can excuse some actions within the RCC as Christian, but then,
the PC(USA) has not always been a paragon of Christianity either. I
think that your criticism is on target with relation to the 'cover up',
however, the problem must rest with those within the organization of men
who made the choice to strive to live in an Image quite different from
Jesus Christ, this includes those who engaged in the act, as well as
those who engaged in the cover up.
True, the buck stops with the Pope, but before critizing the entire RCC
of which there are a great many good Christian participants, now that
the cover up is uncovered at last, grade the RCC on how it chooses to
deal with unrepentant sin, restoration of the victims and restoration of
the Body.
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len=PC USA Is really a product of an alliance between Catholicism and
Zionism. The two conspired at the end of WWll in order to control
America. and it worked.
That is a pretty radical theory, one that the RCC, the PC(USA), as well
as the ADL would disagree with you on, perhaps some with animation.
How does the PC(USA)'s lack of support for Israel and support for the
Palestinians figure into your theory that the PC(USA) is a product of
any alledged alliance between Catholocism and Zionism? How are you
defining Catholicism and Zionism? When did this alleged conspiracy take
place specifically and between whom particularly?
The whole story can be found in Daniel's prophecy'' DAN 11;6 ''And at
the end of some years, they will ally themselves with each other, and
the very daughter of the king of the south ,will come to the king of the
North, in order to make an equitable arrangement.
And whom in your opinion is the 'king of the north' and the 'king of the
south?
There was blood on the hands of both The Vatican and Zionism when the
war ended the ''equitable arrangement ' allowed the two belligerents to
place all the blame on the crazy man Hitler.
So, according to your theory, whose side was Hitler on as he was pretty
indiscriminate with respect to sending both Christians and Jews to the
holocaust?
The Vatican pandered to both Mussolini which surrounded the Vaticun City
as well as Hitler as they stuffed otherwise potential victems of the SS
in the attics of convents and churches throughout the Axis states to
save them from the holocaust. If they didn't pander, a large number of
Jews and even Chritians would not have escaped by being stuffed in the
rafters of the churches and abbeys which would have been closed had the
Pope taken a less pandering position and stuck his fingers in Hitler's
eyes.
But the War was really a civil war between Catholics and Zionists. ttt

variety, perhaps a follower of the mythology of the Assyrians (these
guys really didn't like Israelites), so I am not sure what dots you are
relying on in your proofs for your theory that WWII was a civil war
between Catholics and Zionists, whomever you are defining Zionist to be.
http://www.shoaheducation.com/rootrace.html
While on the surface the members of the third Reich looked like
they had mostly political aims, they actually harbored many extreme and
dangerous "religious" and mythological views, which in time they hoped
to bring to the forefront of Germany. Hitler and his followers were
fascinated by occultism and psychical research.
One such fascination was with the teachings of a Mme Blavatsky, around
the late 1800s early 1900s in a school of thought now called Theosophy
Theosophy was a conglomeration of teachings including occultism,
research into ghosts and paranormal phenomena, and an extensive
philosophical/religious base often based upon mythology, the gnostic new
testament, a sort of 'Atlantean cult" and "Alexandrian" teachings.1 [end
quote]
Mme Blavatsky's root race theory was a darling of the Nazis and a direct
derivative of Darwin's buybull. Some say that all Hitler was attempting
to do was to help prove Darwin's theory with respect to survival of the
fittest in a demented sort of way way beyond even Darwin's racism, and
that needs no conspiracy of Catholics and Zionists to document that
Hitler was a crazy man and religiously on the radical left having
nothing to do with any conspsiracy between Christians, Catholics nor the
sons of Judah who are, in Christ, our brothers, as we are both heirs and
descendants of Abraham.
--
"-----------------"
May God Bless You
Michael

Leonard Abbott · Guest

M wrote
So, all in all, where is this 'blood' on the hands of the Vatican? The
RCC were as credible in saving people from the holocaust as Rahab was in
pandering to the SS in Jericho or Jochebed who pandered to Pharoah and
saved Isrealites in another age.
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L wrote
There had been blood on the Vatican's hands for 1500 yrs, Millions of
Jews and protestants were burned at the stake by the RCC. Hitlers hands
were bloody for only about 20 yrs.

Another thing to consider ,The Vatican and Italy fought the Zionist
Communists in Spain for 3 yrs before Hitler interred the war, Italy
fought for 11 years Germans 7

Yet when the war ended, no Italians were tied for war crimes, only
Germans why?.

it all goes back to Daniel's prophecy Dan 11;6 '' at the end of
some years, they will ally themselves with each other, the very daughter
of the King of the south, will come to the King of the North in order to
make an equitable arrangement''

They covered for each other.

M wrote
Such a radical theory would require a lot more to 'connect the dots'
than you have provided to be believable. First you might want to provide
the dots, which are also missing from your posting.
Hitler was neither a Catholic nor a Zionists
----------------------------------------------------
len+ Hitler was not German. Hitler an Austrian Catholic, and all his
Generals were Catholics!!

Hitlers rise to power was a Catholic thing, in a Protestant Country. 41
million Lutheran 21 million Catholics, but hitlers Allies, Italy, France
and Spain were 95% Catholic.

400 million Catholics and Jews killing each other, but the 41 million
lutherns were blamed. Someone is lying.
lenny ttt

Leonard Abbott · Guest

Re: Was Hitler Catholic? ask Anita

Group: alt.discuss.god-talk.christian Date: Sun, Apr 2, 2006, 11:52am
(CST+2) From: AnitaCotillier@webtv.net (Anita Darling)
Hitler's involvement with the Church:
a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.
b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On
his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was
carved with the monastery's coat of arms bearing a swastika.)
c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
d) As a young man he was confirmed as a "soldier of Christ." His most
ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his
love for the church and clergy: "I had excellent opportunity to
intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church
festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the
village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most
desirable ideal." -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church.
Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and "avenging for God" in
attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.
f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope
could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they
surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler
wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an
excerpt: "The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new
Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the
Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and
unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is
hostile to religion is a lie." Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to
the Nazi Party
g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society
and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and
preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic
teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with
Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken
On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The
celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a
tradition.
Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send "warmest
congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the
dioceses in Germany with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany
are sending to heaven on their altars." (If you would like to know
more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you
get a book titled: Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by
John Cornwell)
h) Due to Hitler's involvement with the Church he began enacting
doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a
death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in
schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised
that Germany would implement its teachings: "The National Socialist
State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be
its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in
their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines
(Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and
the exigencies of the State of today." –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June
1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action
against the new pagan propaganda "Providence has caused me to be
Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church." -Adolf
Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the
Catholic Church to National Socialism

How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust: Hitler's
anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and
Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief
that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians
blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not
actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic
priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of
years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid
hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the Jews
and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant
Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for
Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs. Now, you must
remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the country was in
a deep economic depression due to the Versailles treaty. The
Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial reparations for
the previous war and Germany simply was not self sufficient enough in
order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that raised Germany out of
the depression and brought them back to a world recognized power. Due
to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became
their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich
Christian Church in 1933. This placed him in power of the German
Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and
religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the
Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national
Christianity.

How the Nazi Regime converted the people:
a) In the 1920s, Hitler's German Workers' Party (pre Nazi term) adopted
a "Programme" with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a
constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly
demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a
"positive" Christianity: "We demand liberty for all religious
denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do
not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race.
The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not
bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession..."
b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to
impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all people
need faith and religious education: "By helping to raise man above the
level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the
securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from
present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic
principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by
abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an
equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of
their existence." – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity
was taught.
d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks
and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.
e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to
forcibly convert all its military.
f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols
such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear.
An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had
one) which reads "Gott Mit Uns". For those of you who do not speak
German it is translated as "God With Us".
g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water
and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a
maneuver.
h) The Nazis created a secret service called the "SS Reich" that would
act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was
suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but
CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.
Quotes from Hitler:
    Hitler's speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal
his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism
presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of
their faith So they try to pin him on other theistic views. The
following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan
cults, and reveal the strength of his Christian feelings:
"National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it
is exclusively a 'volkic' political doctrine based upon racial
principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and
leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will
not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring
the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk
are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something
which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there
stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward
profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this
perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence
the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the
maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the
secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of
the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the
natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed.
Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws
of existence so far as they are known to us men." -Adolf Hitler, in
Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of
believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly
expresses his stand against cults.]
    "We were convinced that the people needs and requires this
faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic
movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we
have stamped it out." -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct.
1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler
as favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL
people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be
heresy. The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who
did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it
should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for
their non-belief in Christ.]
    Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to
attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:     "My feelings as
a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points
me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers,
recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight
against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but
as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read
through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His
might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of
vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against
the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest
emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it
was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a
Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the
duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is
anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the
distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my
own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H.
Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939,
Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar;
it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen
altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic
faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute
presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that
Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which
Christianity was founded.)
    "The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil
assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The
idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs
based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers
after him, continued this "tradition" up until the 20th century.)
    "With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth
lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood,
thus stealing her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is
common in war for one race to rape another so that they can "defile" the
race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic
here.)
    "The best characterization is provided by the product of this
religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world,
and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature
two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new
doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward
the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive
from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as
always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business
existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our
present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish
votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with
atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation."–Adolf
Hitler (Mein Kampf)
    "…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by
his expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3
where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares
this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)
    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am
fighting for the work of the Lord." –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
    "The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social
movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge."
–Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it
disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan
supremacist. He states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for
their belief not race. That is why many German Jews died in WW2
regardless of their Aryan nationality.)
"Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very
first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always
and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which
does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and
uncertain." –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that
his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong
Christian Spirituality.)
Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:     "Around
1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS
vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was
obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief
associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the
church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said,
although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the
church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer
page 95-96)
There must be a factory beneath the Earth of which daily idiots are
produced in record numbers.


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