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Max
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 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 2:55 pm Post subject: Influencing people |
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Hi all,
I'm just wondering if any of you have ideas on how to affect
friendship and romance? I'd appreciate any advice.
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Searles O'Dubhain
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Influencing people |
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"Max" <pizza_gurp@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi all,
I'm just wondering if any of you have ideas on how to affect
friendship and romance? I'd appreciate any advice.
Thanks
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The best way to have a good friendship is to be a good friend. The best
way to have a romance is to be romantic. Both of these require one to be
open, kind, and attentive.
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Dana
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:43 am Post subject: Re: Influencing people |
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"Max" <pizza_gurp@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi all,
I'm just wondering if any of you have ideas on how to affect
friendship and romance? I'd appreciate any advice.
Thanks
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Be honest & forthright in all your dealings with friends & lovers & you
won't have to ask questions like this.
Dana |
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Max
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Influencing people |
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I tend to give the wrong impressions in things. I don't need advice in
how to have relationships; I know how important it is to have an open
heart and communicate and so on. Okay, I'm beginning to practice
shamanism, and a large part of shamanism is about communicating with
your spirit guides and angels. I was wondering if I can ask my spirit
guides to send me someone for a friend or romance, and I heard that
druidry might be more appropriate than shamanism for that inquiry, so
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Searles O'Dubhain
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Influencing people |
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"Max" <pizza_gurp@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I tend to give the wrong impressions in things. I don't need advice in
how to have relationships; I know how important it is to have an open
heart and communicate and so on. Okay, I'm beginning to practice
shamanism, and a large part of shamanism is about communicating with
your spirit guides and angels. I was wondering if I can ask my spirit
guides to send me someone for a friend or romance, and I heard that
druidry might be more appropriate than shamanism for that inquiry, so
that's why I'm posting on this board.
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Connecting with one's spirit guides is a step toward connecting with
those of like spirit and heart. I think you're segmenting one think from
another. Reconnect that which is apart and you'll find a wholeness in
self, friendship, romance and spirit. Doing otherwise and causing
artificial relationships will leave one with the ongoing task of
propping up the connections which should have developed naturally
through openness, consideration and harmony. It can certainly be done
but at a price (which should be apparent to any shaman). Nothing is free
except freedom itself. Everything has a consequence. Why not discover
what already is rather than attempting to create what isn't?
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Dana
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Influencing people |
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"Max" <pizza_gurp@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I tend to give the wrong impressions in things. I don't need advice in
how to have relationships; I know how important it is to have an open
heart and communicate and so on. Okay, I'm beginning to practice
shamanism, and a large part of shamanism is about communicating with
your spirit guides and angels. I was wondering if I can ask my spirit
guides to send me someone for a friend or romance, and I heard that
druidry might be more appropriate than shamanism for that inquiry, so
that's why I'm posting on this board.
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Hmmm. Whomever told you this doesn't sound like they have more than a
superficial knowledge of either shamanism *or* druidry.
The entities of the Otherworld are not a dating service, nor are they
Wishes-R-Us, Inc. Following a druidic/shamanic path (there is no clear
demarcation between the two) is about service and learning. If there is
some condition in your life that you perceive as a lack, you ought to be
exploring the reasons behind this with your Otherworld guides rather than
demanding quick & easy fixes that will teach you nothing & probably only
complicate matters further.
As Isek Dinesan was wont to say: "When the gods want to punish you, they
grant your dearest wish."
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Kevin Jones
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:33 am Post subject: Re: Influencing people |
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"Max" <pizza_gurp@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I tend to give the wrong impressions in things. I don't need advice in
how to have relationships; I know how important it is to have an open
heart and communicate and so on. Okay, I'm beginning to practice
shamanism, and a large part of shamanism is about communicating with
your spirit guides and angels. I was wondering if I can ask my spirit
guides to send me someone for a friend or romance, and I heard that
druidry might be more appropriate than shamanism for that inquiry, so
that's why I'm posting on this board.
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Umm! Let's break this down a bit.
First, using magic to get a specific person is a definite no-no. One way or
three others it will screw up. Either it won't work, or worse, it will. As
the old adage goes, "Be careful of what you wish for - you might just get
it." ] The consequences can be messy, so ignore any crud you run across
on other ng's. Sometime or other the posters concerned will learn.
One can ask to be guided in the right direction - no harm in that. Then
again, I know one lady who once, at need and in some despair, asked Them
Upstairs (as my mother would call them) for someone to love her and help
her - but in her case she was very, very ill, likely to die, and had long
been in more horrific do-do than most people could imagine, let alone see in
a lifetime. Her appeal was answered - within a couple of weeks. However, the
thing there was need, rather than want, and part of her being helped of
necessity meant someone loving her truly for the first time in her life.
There's a very great difference between need and want - make a point of
knowing that difference.
Most things have a season and a time. Just be open to it, don't push for it,
and be the best person you can be. Things will happen in their own time.
If you're going to ask for anything, just ask for the abilities to make the
right choices and to be honest with yourself. That's not a criticism -
you've no idea how rare those are! Or how much misery fibbing to
yourself and not making the right choices causes.
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1X2Willows
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Influencing people |
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| Quote: | I tend to give the wrong impressions in things. I don't need advice in
how to have relationships; I know how important it is to have an open
heart and communicate and so on. Okay, I'm beginning to practice
shamanism, and a large part of shamanism is about communicating with
your spirit guides and angels. I was wondering if I can ask my spirit
guides to send me someone for a friend or romance, and I heard that
druidry might be more appropriate than shamanism for that inquiry, so
that's why I'm posting on this board.
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After reading the other responses so far --- eloquently explaining the
most significant points --- please let me try to add half an angle that
I think hasn't been covered yet.
I think it's okay to ask your spirit guides to *show* you someone for a
friend or romance. Just to be clear: That's a far cry from *sending* you
one. This would of course involve a deliberate and successful journey on
your part to the realm of your choice. Yes, there are several, which
would demand a different approach and would yield different results
respectively. The details of each one and the differences between
them are for you to research. There are pointers wherever you look.
[ hinthint... The 'western' realm seems to offer itself for a quest like
yours, but south or east sound more appropriate to me, in your case.
- preferrably south. ;]
Second --- Never forget there might be a chance that your current
desires are a direct result of a past which transcends this lifetime.
Meddling in it by using magic might set you back rather than
advancing your cause and the course of your present and future.
- and lastly...
Beware of public media such as books or the Inter- and Usenet
in the course of your education. Druidry is an oral tradition.
Dan |
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Nick Argall
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Influencing people |
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"Dana" <yoces@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Max" <pizza_gurp@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I tend to give the wrong impressions in things. I don't need advice in
how to have relationships; I know how important it is to have an open
heart and communicate and so on. Okay, I'm beginning to practice
shamanism, and a large part of shamanism is about communicating with
your spirit guides and angels. I was wondering if I can ask my spirit
guides to send me someone for a friend or romance, and I heard that
druidry might be more appropriate than shamanism for that inquiry, so
that's why I'm posting on this board.
Hmmm. Whomever told you this doesn't sound like they have more than a
superficial knowledge of either shamanism *or* druidry.
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I advised Max to ask his question here. I knew I was unable to provide a
definitive answer. I know bugger all about druidry. If there was a way to
do what Max was asking without getting oneself into trouble, I felt that
druids were the people that would know.
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Nick Argall
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: Influencing people |
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"1X2Willows" <spambucket@euro-celts.dot.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | [ hinthint... The 'western' realm seems to offer itself for a quest like
yours, but south or east sound more appropriate to me, in your case.
- preferrably south. ;]
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I know very little about druidry ;)
Where would I find servicable descriptions of these realms?
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1X2Willows
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Influencing people |
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"Nick Argall" wrote
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I know very little about druidry 
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bienvenidos a mi mundo
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Take a hike?
;-}
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Nick Argall
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Influencing people |
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"1X2Willows" <spambucket@euro-celts.dot.com> wrote in message
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"1X2Willows" wrote
I know very little about druidry ;)
bienvenidos a mi mundo
Where would I find servicable descriptions of these realms?
Take a hike?
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Hah!
I've been to distant lands, but using a different atlas.
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1X2Willows
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:49 am Post subject: Re: Influencing people |
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"Nick Argall" wrote
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I know very little about druidry ;)
bienvenidos a mi mundo
Where would I find servicable descriptions of these realms?
Take a hike?
Hah!
I've been to distant lands, but using a different atlas.
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oh! I think it's evident that access to these same realms is mapped
on different atlanti. Otherwise it would be the world's greatest mystery
how various past and present nature spiritual societies around
the globe could have come up with close to identical concepts about
some things --- all without the slightest interaction this side of reality.
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Awenydd /|\
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Influencing people |
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Hi Max,
I've read the entire thread and I do not believe it is right to
"affect" friendship or romance through magical or spiritual means. As
has been said enough times: "Careful what you wish for...you might
just get it".
I do not believe it is not wise to ask the Kindreds to just "send"
someone to you, just as it wouldn't be wise to ask them to just "send"
you money or a new car. These are all things you need to work towards
attaining for yourself. No one can do that for you. (The preceding is
my opinion only) There is no harm in asking for help, but you must
look at your motives and methods.
Part of Druidry/Shamanism is the positive development of yourself. If
you are having a hard time with friendships or romantic relationship,
then perhaps there are aspects of yourself that are just waiting for
the opportunity for you to work on improving them.
Perhaps you are very shy, too forward, speak awkwardly or just find it
hard to relate to some folks in certain social situations. These are
all opportunities for positive growth and change within yourself and
you can most certainly ask your spirit guides and such to help you
work through these things to improve your life and self.
In doing these things for yourself, you may find that friendships and
relationships come easier for you as an added bonus to improving
yourself and your outlook. When you work at self improvement, with or
without the help of the Kindreds, you will find the rewards to be
sweeter because you've worked for them rather than just being given
them.
Spirituality is not about asking for things to be given to you, it's
about asking for help to improve yourself so that you may attain the
good things in life yourself.
Some things you can try outside of the spiritual realms to help you
get started on your own path of self empowerment and meet some great
people:
Look at your interests - Do you collect anything? So you have a
passion for something? Do you engage in a hobby? Find groups of
people who share your interests. It's usually easier to meet people
when you have common interests to talk about. (i.e: if you were an
avid reader, you might want to attend book readings, book clubs, etc.)
Look at what may need work in your life - Do you have a hard time
communicating with people? Try joining a group like Toastmasters,
whose main focus is helping people develop their communication and
leadership skills in a positive way. Many good friendships are formed
in such groups.
Volunteer - Community service agencies often can coordinate colunteer
experiences that match your skills and schedules. You can meet great
people by helping others.
Be confident - You can tell most self-confident people...they radiate
it and seem to attract people like flies to sugar. Work on building
up your confidence by developing your skills or even taking an
inventory of your skills/accomplishments and being proud of them.
Anyway, there's my thoughts on your situation. Whatever path you
choose to take in this, I wish you all the success in the world. :^)
Awenydd
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I'm just wondering if any of you have ideas on how to affect
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Nick Argall
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:46 am Post subject: Re: Influencing people |
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"1X2Willows" <spambucket@euro-celts.dot.com> wrote in message
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"1X2Willows" wrote
I know very little about druidry ;)
bienvenidos a mi mundo
Where would I find servicable descriptions of these realms?
Take a hike?
Hah!
I've been to distant lands, but using a different atlas.
oh! I think it's evident that access to these same realms is mapped
on different atlanti. Otherwise it would be the world's greatest mystery
how various past and present nature spiritual societies around
the globe could have come up with close to identical concepts about
some things --- all without the slightest interaction this side of
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I think you're right.
But if a map is like a pair of sunglasses, it allows one to look at the same
territory through a different pair of eyes.
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