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Tang Huyen
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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Mr Freakyman wrote:
| Quote: | Sounds a bit like the Scientologists, who apparently have a policy of
declaring their enemies "Fair Game" and encouraging all the good
Scientologists to harrass them in whatever ways they can. This often
includes publishing private information in public fora, such as names,
addresses, phone numbers, as well as spreading rumours about them to
employers, Government departments, anywhere that might cause the
"enemy" difficulty or embarrassment. Legal harrassment is another
popular tactic.
I like your strongly-worded condemnation. Even just the threat is
intimidatory.
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The above tactics have been used against posters on these boards who oppose
the Tibetan religion.
Street addresses and phone numbers were posted, the posters were reported to
their ISPs, employers and to authorities, massive unsolicited e-mail
campaigns were directed to other posters to turn them against those who
oppose the Tibetan religion (recently, one poster was privately queried as
to what sangha another poster who opposed the Tibetan religion belonged to),
obnoxious unsolicited e-mail messages were dumped in private e-mail boxes of
posters who oppose the Tibetan religion, massive and long-term campaigns of
wholly baseless accusations (like intended physical harm) were made against
those who oppose the Tibetan religion, etc.
However those who single-mindedly devoted themselves over the years to such
vile and odious tactics -- there were other ones that would curl your hair
-- ended up wrecking themselves, a fact whichs plainly shows in their posts.
They are now reduced to babbling.
Worthy of mention (this has nothing to do with the Tibetan religion) is the
bringing up of what happened or didn't happen decades ago -- two, three
decades ago -- as a means of discrediting posters that one disagrees with.
One former poster, DharmaTroll, who subsequently fell apart due to another
chain of posts and left these boards in disgrace, brought up another
poster's long-past membership in the Communist Party, which was admitted
(though it had not been current for some decades).
Two posters, both Zennies, Toshu (John Neatrour, President of the
Association of all Buddhist Organizations in the greater Chicago area,
trained and ordained in ancient Soto Zen monasteries of Japan) and Ned Ludd,
brought up my monastic departure of a quarter of century ago to attempt to
discredit me. I challenged them to bring up more of the same.
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Ned Ludd
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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Tang Huyen <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3EF59115.A29BDD7D@yahoo.com...
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Two posters, both Zennies, Toshu (John Neatrour, President of the
Association of all Buddhist Organizations in the greater Chicago
area, trained and ordained in ancient Soto Zen monasteries of
Japan) and Ned Ludd, brought up my monastic departure of a quarter
of century ago to attempt to discredit me. I challenged them to
bring up more of the same.
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Tang, nobody really cares what went wrong in your monastery
a quarter century ago. Whatever it was, it probably did you
good.
When you go on one of your endless, futile, disruptive jihads
against Tibetan Buddhism, anyone with a brain naturally wonders
about the real nature of your complaint.
I have strong feelings about all organizations, including
religions, corporations, political parties, armies, and will
occasionally rant about one or more of them. But the single-
minded, relentless, frothing, mad-dog attacks you make on
Tibetan Buddhism makes one wonder what the engine of such a
disorder might really be.
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cupcake
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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Nedd Dudd wrote:
| Quote: | Tang Huyen <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
[14]news:3EF59115.A29BDD7D@yahoo.com...
Two posters, both Zennies, Toshu (John Neatrour, President of the
Association of all Buddhist Organizations in the greater Chicago
area, trained and ordained in ancient Soto Zen monasteries of
Japan) and Ned Ludd, brought up my monastic departure of a quarter
of century ago to attempt to discredit me. I challenged them to
bring up more of the same.
Tang, nobody really cares what went wrong in your monastery
a quarter century ago. Whatever it was, it probably did you
good.
When you go on one of your endless, futile, disruptive jihads
against Tibetan Buddhism, anyone with a brain naturally wonders
about the real nature of your complaint.
I have strong feelings about all organizations, including
religions, corporations, political parties, armies, and will
occasionally rant about one or more of them. But the single-
minded, relentless, frothing, mad-dog attacks you make on
Tibetan Buddhism makes one wonder what the engine of such a
disorder might really be.
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well, Ned, considering that yer nothing but a vajra
lackey and stooge, planted in buddhist usenet to
perpetuate the tyranny -- who the fuck cares what
yu think!
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cupcake
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 12:38 am Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important)
From: cupcake <t@r.slrup
Reply to: [1]cupcake
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:41:46 GMT
Newsgroups:
[2]talk.religion.buddhism,
[3]alt.zen,
[4]alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan,
[5]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
Followup to: [6]newsgroups
References:
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Nedd Dudd wrote:
Tang Huyen <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
[14][8]news:3EF59115.A29BDD7D@yahoo.com...
Two posters, both Zennies, Toshu (John Neatrour, President of the
Association of all Buddhist Organizations in the greater Chicago
area, trained and ordained in ancient Soto Zen monasteries of
Japan) and Ned Ludd, brought up my monastic departure of a quarter
of century ago to attempt to discredit me. I challenged them to
bring up more of the same.
Tang, nobody really cares what went wrong in your monastery
a quarter century ago. Whatever it was, it probably did you
good.
When you go on one of your endless, futile, disruptive jihads
against Tibetan Buddhism, anyone with a brain naturally wonders
about the real nature of your complaint.
I have strong feelings about all organizations, including
religions, corporations, political parties, armies, and will
occasionally rant about one or more of them. But the single-
minded, relentless, frothing, mad-dog attacks you make on
Tibetan Buddhism makes one wonder what the engine of such a
disorder might really be.
well, Ned, considering that yer nothing but a vajra
lackey and stooge, planted in buddhist usenet to
perpetuate the tyranny -- who the fuck cares what
yu think!
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... about all yu ever do around here iz quote
the Blue Cliff Notes of buddhism!
yu class A jerk!
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Green Eddie
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 2:59 am Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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"Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Tang Huyen <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3EF59115.A29BDD7D@yahoo.com...
Two posters, both Zennies, Toshu (John Neatrour, President of the
Association of all Buddhist Organizations in the greater Chicago
area, trained and ordained in ancient Soto Zen monasteries of
Japan) and Ned Ludd, brought up my monastic departure of a quarter
of century ago to attempt to discredit me. I challenged them to
bring up more of the same.
Tang, nobody really cares what went wrong in your monastery
a quarter century ago. Whatever it was, it probably did you
good.
When you go on one of your endless, futile, disruptive jihads
against Tibetan Buddhism, anyone with a brain naturally wonders
about the real nature of your complaint.
I have strong feelings about all organizations, including
religions, corporations, political parties, armies, and will
occasionally rant about one or more of them. But the single-
minded, relentless, frothing, mad-dog attacks you make on
Tibetan Buddhism makes one wonder what the engine of such a
disorder might really be.
Ned
Religous obsessive compulsive disorder fueled by an inordinate need to |
fulfill spiritual security and power addictions. |
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Evelyn Ruut
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 2:59 am Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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"Green Eddie" <down@it.com> wrote in message
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"Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:bd4ks7$qf4$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
Tang Huyen <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3EF59115.A29BDD7D@yahoo.com...
Two posters, both Zennies, Toshu (John Neatrour, President of the
Association of all Buddhist Organizations in the greater Chicago
area, trained and ordained in ancient Soto Zen monasteries of
Japan) and Ned Ludd, brought up my monastic departure of a quarter
of century ago to attempt to discredit me. I challenged them to
bring up more of the same.
Tang, nobody really cares what went wrong in your monastery
a quarter century ago. Whatever it was, it probably did you
good.
When you go on one of your endless, futile, disruptive jihads
against Tibetan Buddhism, anyone with a brain naturally wonders
about the real nature of your complaint.
I have strong feelings about all organizations, including
religions, corporations, political parties, armies, and will
occasionally rant about one or more of them. But the single-
minded, relentless, frothing, mad-dog attacks you make on
Tibetan Buddhism makes one wonder what the engine of such a
disorder might really be.
Ned
Religous obsessive compulsive disorder fueled by an inordinate need to
fulfill spiritual security and power addictions.
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You have a way with words, Green Eddie :-)
--
Evelyn
"Be wise. Treat yourself, your mind, sympathetically, with
loving kindness. If you are gentle with yourself, you will
become gentle with others." -- Lama Thubten Yeshe
(To reply to me personally, remove sox) |
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Ned Ludd
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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Green Eddie <down@it.com> wrote in message
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Ned:
| Quote: | Tang, nobody really cares what went wrong in your monastery
a quarter century ago. Whatever it was, it probably did you
good.
When you go on one of your endless, futile, disruptive jihads
against Tibetan Buddhism, anyone with a brain naturally wonders
about the real nature of your complaint.
I have strong feelings about all organizations, including
religions, corporations, political parties, armies, and will
occasionally rant about one or more of them. But the single-
minded, relentless, frothing, mad-dog attacks you make on
Tibetan Buddhism makes one wonder what the engine of such a
disorder might really be.
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GM:
| Quote: | Religous obsessive compulsive disorder fueled by an inordinate
need to fulfill spiritual security and power addictions.
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Then why not the Zennies? Or the Nichies? Or the Theravadans?
What makes you think there's any religion to him at all? For that
matter what indication is there of any spirituality? The power
addiction is quite apparent, but all that fine 19th and 20th
century European philosophical literature training is applied
exclusively to harassing Tibetan Buddhists and defending his pet
hare-brained theory that enlightenment is raw sensation. Christ,
he ought experience raw sensation sometime. Take something that
wipes out all the endorphin in his system, and he'd get a little
taste of the insanity and chaos of true raw sensation.
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Kender
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 7:46 am Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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| Quote: | he ought experience raw sensation sometime. Take something that
wipes out all the endorphin in his system, and he'd get a little
taste of the insanity and chaos of true raw sensation.
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I suggest a mild dose, nothing dangerous 100-150 milligrams of
AlphaMethylTryptamine (look up AMT @ erowid.org) to cause Ego Death for a
good 18 hours, he'll be able to watch the pretty patterns for what will seem
an interminable eternity whenever he gets tired of raw sensation. You could
give him something to do so he doesn't decide to END the interminable
eternity (very troublesome thought), like giving him 18 hours worth of
trippy movies like Brain Candy, The Wall, Waking Life, every Halloween
episode of the Simpsons...He might get a nice good-natured bitchsmack from
his subconscious to let him know what problems it has with him, to boot.
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Green Eddie
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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"Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Green Eddie <down@it.com> wrote in message
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Ned:
Tang, nobody really cares what went wrong in your monastery
a quarter century ago. Whatever it was, it probably did you
good.
When you go on one of your endless, futile, disruptive jihads
against Tibetan Buddhism, anyone with a brain naturally wonders
about the real nature of your complaint.
I have strong feelings about all organizations, including
religions, corporations, political parties, armies, and will
occasionally rant about one or more of them. But the single-
minded, relentless, frothing, mad-dog attacks you make on
Tibetan Buddhism makes one wonder what the engine of such a
disorder might really be.
GM:
Religous obsessive compulsive disorder fueled by an inordinate
need to fulfill spiritual security and power addictions.
Then why not the Zennies? Or the Nichies? Or the Theravadans?
What makes you think there's any religion to him at all? For that
matter what indication is there of any spirituality? The power
addiction is quite apparent, but all that fine 19th and 20th
century European philosophical literature training is applied
exclusively to harassing Tibetan Buddhists and defending his pet
hare-brained theory that enlightenment is raw sensation. Christ,
he ought experience raw sensation sometime. Take something that
wipes out all the endorphin in his system, and he'd get a little
taste of the insanity and chaos of true raw sensation.
Ned
Religion was used as a catch-all phrase meaning his attempts through |
philosophical avenues to expand his horizon of awareness. The same with the
term 'spiritual'. You even point out his power and sensation addictions and
these two are only adjuncts to a security addiction whether it's spiritual
or not. All obsessively compulsive avenues of expression whether spiritual
or just in the arena of human nature and its tribal herd survival tactics
and strategies, may not provide the zeal and earnestness needed for spritual
awareness but may only provide one with roadblocks on the path. |
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Sanford M. Manley
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:16 am Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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"Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> wrote
| Quote: | The power
addiction is quite apparent, but all that fine 19th and 20th
century European philosophical literature training is applied
exclusively to harassing Tibetan Buddhists and defending his pet
hare-brained theory that enlightenment is raw sensation. Christ,
he ought experience raw sensation sometime. Take something that
wipes out all the endorphin in his system, and he'd get a little
taste of the insanity and chaos of true raw sensation.
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If he would quit talking about what *other* people think and
what is wrong with *other* people's POV and started talking
about what he thinks without a lot of encyclopedic footnotes,
he might gain some ground for his point of view.
If I wanted to find out what these philosophers thought, I could
go to the library. I wouldn't mind listening to what Tang thinks.
In the New Testament, there are continual references to Jesus
as one who taught "as one with authority," in other words, he
didn't have to footnote everything with what 20 other rabbis
had said for the last century. Apparently, it is a habit of many
religions to appeal to (other) authority with every pronouncement
as if their testimony and reasoning cannot stand by itself.
They are not talking to us, they are talking *at* us.
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jhayati
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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"Sanford M. Manley" <manley20@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<c8cb9e9e9d9cee88f60cef4c44686a1d@free.teranews.com>...
| Quote: | If I wanted to find out what these philosophers thought, I could
go to the library. I wouldn't mind listening to what Tang thinks.
In the New Testament, there are continual references to Jesus
as one who taught "as one with authority," in other words, he
didn't have to footnote everything with what 20 other rabbis
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You'd want the Kool-Aid guy to claim to be a savior and deity?
Good heavens. There are enough of those on these lists already.
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Kender
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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| Quote: | had said for the last century. Apparently, it is a habit of many
religions to appeal to (other) authority with every pronouncement
as if their testimony and reasoning cannot stand by itself.
They are not talking to us, they are talking *at* us.
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Preach on, brotha! Can I get an Amen?!
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Sanford M. Manley
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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"jhayati" <jhayati@msn.com> wrote
| Quote: | "Sanford M. Manley" <manley20@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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If I wanted to find out what these philosophers thought, I could
go to the library. I wouldn't mind listening to what Tang thinks.
In the New Testament, there are continual references to Jesus
as one who taught "as one with authority," in other words, he
didn't have to footnote everything with what 20 other rabbis
You'd want the Kool-Aid guy to claim to be a savior and deity?
Good heavens. There are enough of those on these lists already.
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He talks like that already with his quasi-omniscient pronouncements
regarding other people's mental health. Further, if you notice, most
of those people also are constantly referring to some scripture or
authority figure and make copious citations. This is because they
are usually unable or unwilling to defend their positions and rely
on these because citations are not subject to cross-examination.
After a while, these scholastics are very boring, if nothing else.
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Sanford M. Manley
http://bellsouthpwp.net/m/a/manley20/gurn.html
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Robert J Bullock
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: The unreal thing (was Re: The Real Thing) |
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| Quote: | Ah stop it Robert you're depressing me your so damn desperate for
enlightenment.
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Sorry about that, dude. What can I say to cheer you up?
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R.J. Bullock
Binghamton, NY
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an artist says something difficult in a simple way."
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