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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:46:21 -0700 (PDT), claire.easthope@ntlworld.com wrote:
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But the biblical language was not Greek, but Aramiac. The first translation is
Greek.
And Aramaic to Greek is a tough sell.
duke, American-American
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT), claire.easthope@ntlworld.com
wrote:
On 13 Aug, 21:56, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
1stCenturyAposto...@Traditionalist.com> wrote:
"John Cooper" <bl...@bishop1960.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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God is just.
We are going to be judged according to our works - Matthew 16:27;
25:14-46;
Luke 12:35-48; 19:12-27; Romans 2:5-10; 14:10-12; 1.Corinthians
3:8-18;
2.Corinthians 5:9,10; Colossians 3:23-25; 1.Peter 1:17; 4:17,18;
2.John 8;
Revelation 20:12,13; 22:12.
There is absolutely nothing - no ceremony, no ritual, no church
membership,
no "sinners' prayer", no experience, nor anything else, which can
alter
the
above.
Baptism, in whatever form, cannot substitute for obedience to the
Gospel.
How can it be a substitute John?
Being baptised AFTER belief, is part of being obedient to the Gospel.
Well said!
John 3:5 (New International Version)
5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of
God
unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Mark 10:13-14 (New International Version)
The Little Children and Jesus
13People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them,
but the
disciples rebuked them. 14When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said
to
them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for
the
kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
Please show where in scripture baptism is called for after "belief".
Children
don't "believe".
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
You are wasting your time in here Duke. Cooper thinks he's a born again
intellectual, Jeffrey is insane and Claire is in dire need of a house
husband. The problem is they think they know, individually of course, more
than the Church in theological matters.
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Hardly surprising, since your particular church almost always comes up
wanting in this respect Jim. They are so incredibly inflexible and arrogant,
so far out of tune and out of touch with reality, they only admitted Galileo
was right in the late C19!
To my astonishment, they actually have representatives (c/w monks habit,
tonsure etc.) who shamelessly appear on TV programs today, to defend and
justify the methods and institution of the Spanish Inquisition - somewhat
inneffectively I thought.
The Vatican remains one of the most paranoid, blinkered and uncompromising
authorities in the world, and also one of the most secretive - hardly
surprising when you see what they have to hide! Martin Luther and co. could
hardly fail to score against such a corrupt, ignorant and immobile
institution, obsessed with burning books and even people in order to
maintain its undeserved, much abused power, and fabulous wealth.
Cheers
Martin
When they agree amongst themselves
| Quote: | then we can worry, much like the history of the Church and Christendom. We
should have stuck to the Latin and spared the grief.
Jim
Matthew 16: 17-19
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Baptism is essential to salvation! |
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On 18 Aug, 13:03, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:45:30 +0100, "Jim" <jim.doche...@btinternet.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT), claire.easth...@ntlworld.com
wrote:
On 13 Aug, 21:56, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
1stCenturyAposto...@Traditionalist.com> wrote:
"John Cooper" <bl...@bishop1960.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6gguvkFfvtsfU1@mid.individual.net...
God is just.
We are going to be judged according to our works - Matthew 16:27;
25:14-46;
Luke 12:35-48; 19:12-27; Romans 2:5-10; 14:10-12; 1.Corinthians
3:8-18;
2.Corinthians 5:9,10; Colossians 3:23-25; 1.Peter 1:17; 4:17,18;
2.John 8;
Revelation 20:12,13; 22:12.
There is absolutely nothing - no ceremony, no ritual, no church
membership,
no "sinners' prayer", no experience, nor anything else, which can
alter
the
above.
Baptism, in whatever form, cannot substitute for obedience to the
Gospel.
How can it be a substitute John?
Being baptised AFTER belief, is part of being obedient to the Gospel.
Well said!
John 3:5 (New International Version)
5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of
God
unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Mark 10:13-14 (New International Version)
The Little Children and Jesus
13People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them,
but the
disciples rebuked them. 14When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said
to
them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the
kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
Please show where in scripture baptism is called for after "belief".
Children
don't "believe".
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
You are wasting your time in here Duke. Cooper thinks he's a born again
intellectual, Jeffrey is insane and Claire is in dire need of a house
husband. The problem is they think they know, individually of course, more
than the Church in theological matters. When they agree amongst themselves
then we can worry, much like the history of the Church and Christendom. We
should have stuck to the Latin and spared the grief.
Tell me again why a Roman Catholic would be wasting his time here?
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Because he loves insulting everybody! To him insulting people is no
more a waste of time than sport (which is pretty much a waste of time
but gives people pleasure!) |
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| Quote: | On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:45:30 +0100, "Jim" <jim.docherty@btinternet.com
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT), claire.easthope@ntlworld.com
wrote:
On 13 Aug, 21:56, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
1stCenturyAposto...@Traditionalist.com> wrote:
"John Cooper" <bl...@bishop1960.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6gguvkFfvtsfU1@mid.individual.net...
God is just.
We are going to be judged according to our works - Matthew 16:27;
25:14-46;
Luke 12:35-48; 19:12-27; Romans 2:5-10; 14:10-12; 1.Corinthians
3:8-18;
2.Corinthians 5:9,10; Colossians 3:23-25; 1.Peter 1:17; 4:17,18;
2.John 8;
Revelation 20:12,13; 22:12.
There is absolutely nothing - no ceremony, no ritual, no church
membership,
no "sinners' prayer", no experience, nor anything else, which can
alter
the
above.
Baptism, in whatever form, cannot substitute for obedience to the
Gospel.
How can it be a substitute John?
Being baptised AFTER belief, is part of being obedient to the Gospel.
Well said!
John 3:5 (New International Version)
5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of
God
unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Mark 10:13-14 (New International Version)
The Little Children and Jesus
13People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them,
but the
disciples rebuked them. 14When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said
to
them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for
the
kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
Please show where in scripture baptism is called for after "belief".
Children
don't "believe".
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
You are wasting your time in here Duke. Cooper thinks he's a born again
intellectual, Jeffrey is insane and Claire is in dire need of a house
husband. The problem is they think they know, individually of course, more
than the Church in theological matters. When they agree amongst themselves
then we can worry, much like the history of the Church and Christendom. We
should have stuck to the Latin and spared the grief.
Tell me again why a Roman Catholic would be wasting his time here?
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Hmmmm... probably because most people here express their beliefs without
fear or favour, and are not afraid to question tradition, superstition and
self-proclaimed 'authority'.
In other words, they might not hear what they want to hear. Jim seems to
find that all freedom of thought (religiously) is heretical, as is any
criticism of the CC. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Baptism is essential to salvation! |
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On 18 Aug, 13:08, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:46:21 -0700 (PDT), claire.easth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
But the Bible was not written in Latin, it was written in Greek an
Hebrew.
But the biblical language was not Greek, but Aramiac. The first translation is
Greek.
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So why does Jim want it in Latin and why didn't the Pope want it in
English, German etc? |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Baptism is essential to salvation! |
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On 18 Aug, 13:06, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:53:22 -0700 (PDT), claire.easth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On 16 Aug, 20:45, "Jim" <jim.doche...@btinternet.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT), claire.easth...@ntlworld.com
wrote:
On 13 Aug, 21:56, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
1stCenturyAposto...@Traditionalist.com> wrote:
"John Cooper" <bl...@bishop1960.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6gguvkFfvtsfU1@mid.individual.net...
God is just.
We are going to be judged according to our works - Matthew 16:27;
25:14-46;
Luke 12:35-48; 19:12-27; Romans 2:5-10; 14:10-12; 1.Corinthians
3:8-18;
2.Corinthians 5:9,10; Colossians 3:23-25; 1.Peter 1:17; 4:17,18;
2.John 8;
Revelation 20:12,13; 22:12.
There is absolutely nothing - no ceremony, no ritual, no church
membership,
no "sinners' prayer", no experience, nor anything else, which can
alter
the
above.
Baptism, in whatever form, cannot substitute for obedience to the
Gospel.
How can it be a substitute John?
Being baptised AFTER belief, is part of being obedient to the Gospel.
Well said!
John 3:5 (New International Version)
5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of
God
unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Mark 10:13-14 (New International Version)
The Little Children and Jesus
13People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them,
but the
disciples rebuked them. 14When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said
to
them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the
kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
Please show where in scripture baptism is called for after "belief".
Children
don't "believe".
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
You are wasting your time in here Duke. Cooper thinks he's a born again
intellectual, Jeffrey is insane and Claire is in dire need of a house
husband. The problem is they think they know, individually of course, more
than the Church in theological matters.
I don't know about "the "Church"since we are all the church. The
essential part of being saved is belief not baptism
Wrong. Belief without works is dead belief.
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How is that work then? There's no work in being pulled out your pram
and sprinkled - not for the baby I mean!
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Catholics can be saved (yes, I hear the Pope breath a sigh of relief!)
but you are wrong to conclude that un-baptised children are not.
Children are conceived in sin prior to baptism. Baptism removes that stain well
before the age of consent.
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How can it if they don't believe? God's laws are just - do you really
think he would allow the condemnation of children for the sins of
their parents? |
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On 18 Aug, 14:14, "Martin" <martin1471spamf...@outgun.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:45:30 +0100, "Jim" <jim.doche...@btinternet.com
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT), claire.easth...@ntlworld.com
wrote:
On 13 Aug, 21:56, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
1stCenturyAposto...@Traditionalist.com> wrote:
"John Cooper" <bl...@bishop1960.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6gguvkFfvtsfU1@mid.individual.net...
God is just.
We are going to be judged according to our works - Matthew 16:27;
25:14-46;
Luke 12:35-48; 19:12-27; Romans 2:5-10; 14:10-12; 1.Corinthians
3:8-18;
2.Corinthians 5:9,10; Colossians 3:23-25; 1.Peter 1:17; 4:17,18;
2.John 8;
Revelation 20:12,13; 22:12.
There is absolutely nothing - no ceremony, no ritual, no church
membership,
no "sinners' prayer", no experience, nor anything else, which can
alter
the
above.
Baptism, in whatever form, cannot substitute for obedience to the
Gospel.
How can it be a substitute John?
Being baptised AFTER belief, is part of being obedient to the Gospel.
Well said!
John 3:5 (New International Version)
5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of
God
unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Mark 10:13-14 (New International Version)
The Little Children and Jesus
13People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them,
but the
disciples rebuked them. 14When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said
to
them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for
the
kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
Please show where in scripture baptism is called for after "belief".
Children
don't "believe".
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
You are wasting your time in here Duke. Cooper thinks he's a born again
intellectual, Jeffrey is insane and Claire is in dire need of a house
husband. The problem is they think they know, individually of course, more
than the Church in theological matters. When they agree amongst themselves
then we can worry, much like the history of the Church and Christendom. We
should have stuck to the Latin and spared the grief.
Tell me again why a Roman Catholic would be wasting his time here?
Hmmmm... probably because most people here express their beliefs without
fear or favour, and are not afraid to question tradition, superstition and
self-proclaimed 'authority'.
In other words, they might not hear what they want to hear. Jim seems to
find that all freedom of thought (religiously) is heretical, as is any
criticism of the CC.
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Very well put! Also he would not have anything to say to people he
agrees with you see and for this reason feels more "Catholic" when
he's amongst our "ilk" as he so kindly calls us! |
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On 18 Aug, 19:22, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
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"Jim" <jim.doche...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT), claire.easth...@ntlworld.com
wrote:
On 13 Aug, 21:56, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
1stCenturyAposto...@Traditionalist.com> wrote:
"John Cooper" <bl...@bishop1960.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6gguvkFfvtsfU1@mid.individual.net...
God is just.
We are going to be judged according to our works - Matthew 16:27;
25:14-46;
Luke 12:35-48; 19:12-27; Romans 2:5-10; 14:10-12; 1.Corinthians
3:8-18;
2.Corinthians 5:9,10; Colossians 3:23-25; 1.Peter 1:17; 4:17,18;
2.John 8;
Revelation 20:12,13; 22:12.
There is absolutely nothing - no ceremony, no ritual, no church
membership,
no "sinners' prayer", no experience, nor anything else, which can
alter
the
above.
Baptism, in whatever form, cannot substitute for obedience to the
Gospel.
How can it be a substitute John?
Being baptised AFTER belief, is part of being obedient to the Gospel.
Well said!
John 3:5 (New International Version)
5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of
God
unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Mark 10:13-14 (New International Version)
The Little Children and Jesus
13People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them,
but the
disciples rebuked them. 14When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said
to
them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for
the
kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
Please show where in scripture baptism is called for after "belief".
Children
don't "believe".
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
You are wasting your time in here Duke. Cooper thinks he's a born again
intellectual, Jeffrey is insane and Claire is in dire need of a house
husband. The problem is they think they know, individually of course,
more than the Church in theological matters.
Hardly surprising, since your particular church almost always comes up
wanting in this respect Jim. They are so incredibly inflexible and
arrogant, so far out of tune and out of touch with reality, they only
admitted Galileo was right in the late C19!
To my astonishment, they actually have representatives (c/w monks habit,
tonsure etc.) who shamelessly appear on TV programs today, to defend and
justify the methods and institution of the Spanish Inquisition - somewhat
inneffectively I thought.
The Vatican remains one of the most paranoid, blinkered and uncompromising
authorities in the world, and also one of the most secretive - hardly
surprising when you see what they have to hide! Martin Luther and co.
could hardly fail to score against such a corrupt, ignorant and immobile
institution, obsessed with burning books and even people in order to
maintain its undeserved, much abused power, and fabulous wealth.
Cheers
Martin
Bravo! Martin.
One of the few times we can most emphatically agree!
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Based on my own experience, I'd have a hard time believing that.
I was head-over-heels crazy about girls for as far back as I can
remember, and my parents had no influence over that. In fact,
about the only sort of influene I can recall was their teaching me
not to FIGHT with girls when I was a kid. (Which was pretty dumb
advice, unlike most of the other things they taught me. Since girls
can be pretty effective at fighting.) (I wonder if such advice is even
given to boys any more in this "American Gladiators" age?)
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Jack" <furgfurgfurg@yahoo.com> wrote:
Pretty much all parents influence the sexuality of their children.
Based on my own experience, I'd have a hard time believing that.
I was head-over-heels crazy about girls for as far back as I can
remember, and my parents had no influence over that. In fact,
about the only sort of influene I can recall was their teaching me
not to FIGHT with girls when I was a kid. (Which was pretty dumb
advice, unlike most of the other things they taught me. Since girls
can be pretty effective at fighting.) (I wonder if such advice is even
given to boys any more in this "American Gladiators" age?)
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kids are attracted to. I just mean that in general, parents have enormous
influence on the sexual development of their children. But that much is
obvious. |
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On 18 Aug, 21:14, "Martin" <martin1471spamf...@outgun.com> wrote:
| Quote: | claire.easth...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT),
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On 13 Aug, 21:56, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
1stCenturyAposto...@Traditionalist.com> wrote:
"John Cooper" <bl...@bishop1960.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6gguvkFfvtsfU1@mid.individual.net...
God is just.
We are going to be judged according to our works - Matthew 16:27;
25:14-46;
Luke 12:35-48; 19:12-27; Romans 2:5-10; 14:10-12; 1.Corinthians
3:8-18;
2.Corinthians 5:9,10; Colossians 3:23-25; 1.Peter 1:17; 4:17,18;
2.John 8;
Revelation 20:12,13; 22:12.
There is absolutely nothing - no ceremony, no ritual, no church
membership,
no "sinners' prayer", no experience, nor anything else, which can
alter
the
above.
Baptism, in whatever form, cannot substitute for obedience to the
Gospel.
How can it be a substitute John?
Being baptised AFTER belief, is part of being obedient to the
Gospel.
Well said!
John 3:5 (New International Version)
5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom
of
God
unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Mark 10:13-14 (New International Version)
The Little Children and Jesus
13People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch
them,
but the
disciples rebuked them. 14When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He
said
to
them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them,
for
the
kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
Please show where in scripture baptism is called for after "belief".
Children
don't "believe".
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
You are wasting your time in here Duke. Cooper thinks he's a born
again
intellectual, Jeffrey is insane and Claire is in dire need of a house
husband. The problem is they think they know, individually of course,
more than the Church in theological matters.
Hardly surprising, since your particular church almost always comes up
wanting in this respect Jim. They are so incredibly inflexible and
arrogant, so far out of tune and out of touch with reality, they only
admitted Galileo was right in the late C19!
To my astonishment, they actually have representatives (c/w monks
habit,
tonsure etc.) who shamelessly appear on TV programs today, to defend
and
justify the methods and institution of the Spanish Inquisition -
somewhat
inneffectively I thought.
The Vatican remains one of the most paranoid, blinkered and
uncompromising
authorities in the world, and also one of the most secretive - hardly
surprising when you see what they have to hide! Martin Luther and co.
could hardly fail to score against such a corrupt, ignorant and
immobile
institution, obsessed with burning books and even people in order to
maintain its undeserved, much abused power, and fabulous wealth.
Cheers
Martin
Bravo! Martin.
One of the few times we can most emphatically agree!
It had to happen sooner or later! :-)
It has happened before in fact (baptism?), and may well again I hope.
Cheers
Martin
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| Quote: | Hardly surprising, since your particular church almost always comes up
wanting in this respect Jim. They are so incredibly inflexible and arrogant,
so far out of tune and out of touch with reality, they only admitted Galileo
was right in the late C19!
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Well, these new scientific ideas take a while to catch on! :-)
| Quote: | To my astonishment, they actually have representatives (c/w monks habit,
tonsure etc.) who shamelessly appear on TV programs today, to defend and
justify the methods and institution of the Spanish Inquisition - somewhat
inneffectively I thought.
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Seriously? Who's Catholicism's answer to David Irvine (the Far Right
Holocaust-denying Historian one that is) then?
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On Aug 7, 12:26 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
<alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 16, 5:14 am, Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> wrote:
On Jul 15, 2:58 pm, Brian E. Clark <re...@newsgroup.only.please
wrote:
In article <21dssh.svr.1...@news.alt.net>, J said...
Beatles a Christian band?
No.
Lennon 'big fan' of Jesus
Yes. Lennon was a fan of Jesus (and Buddha and
Mohammed and so forth). But he was not a fan of
Christianity.
Just like Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson were big fans of Jesus but
they were not Christians. While they admired his teachings they
rejected his claim to divinity and they openly hostile to
organizations (meaning all organized religious bodies) that claimed to
represent him for their own personal profit.
Of course, Lennon was still naive enough to be bamboozled by a
religious fraud but he managed to get out of it. Most people never
do.
"I like your Christ, but I don't like your Christians." --Gandhi
Al
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"Martin" <martin1471spamfuck@outgun.com> wrote in message
news:%ueqk.14609$QP4.13914@newsfe19.ams2...
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"Jim" <jim.docherty@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:ReidnSc0lpHEszrVnZ2dnUVZ8t3inZ2d@bt.com...
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:93oaa4d4hjgqedhhe56617ktpsbm3n9nvh@4ax.com...
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT), claire.easthope@ntlworld.com
wrote:
On 13 Aug, 21:56, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
1stCenturyAposto...@Traditionalist.com> wrote:
"John Cooper" <bl...@bishop1960.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6gguvkFfvtsfU1@mid.individual.net...
God is just.
We are going to be judged according to our works - Matthew 16:27;
25:14-46;
Luke 12:35-48; 19:12-27; Romans 2:5-10; 14:10-12; 1.Corinthians
3:8-18;
2.Corinthians 5:9,10; Colossians 3:23-25; 1.Peter 1:17; 4:17,18;
2.John 8;
Revelation 20:12,13; 22:12.
There is absolutely nothing - no ceremony, no ritual, no church
membership,
no "sinners' prayer", no experience, nor anything else, which can
alter
the
above.
Baptism, in whatever form, cannot substitute for obedience to the
Gospel.
How can it be a substitute John?
Being baptised AFTER belief, is part of being obedient to the Gospel.
Well said!
John 3:5 (New International Version)
5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of
God
unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Mark 10:13-14 (New International Version)
The Little Children and Jesus
13People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them,
but the
disciples rebuked them. 14When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said
to
them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for
the
kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
Please show where in scripture baptism is called for after "belief".
Children
don't "believe".
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
You are wasting your time in here Duke. Cooper thinks he's a born again
intellectual, Jeffrey is insane and Claire is in dire need of a house
husband. The problem is they think they know, individually of course,
more than the Church in theological matters.
Hardly surprising, since your particular church almost always comes up
wanting in this respect Jim. They are so incredibly inflexible and
arrogant, so far out of tune and out of touch with reality, they only
admitted Galileo was right in the late C19!
To my astonishment, they actually have representatives (c/w monks habit,
tonsure etc.) who shamelessly appear on TV programs today, to defend and
justify the methods and institution of the Spanish Inquisition - somewhat
inneffectively I thought.
The Vatican remains one of the most paranoid, blinkered and uncompromising
authorities in the world, and also one of the most secretive - hardly
surprising when you see what they have to hide! Martin Luther and co.
could hardly fail to score against such a corrupt, ignorant and immobile
institution, obsessed with burning books and even people in order to
maintain its undeserved, much abused power, and fabulous wealth.
Cheers
Martin
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One of the few times we can most emphatically agree! |
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