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BOB
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Message to pro-lifers |
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Force Majeure <ForceMajeure@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.22ec9a3fabd4fb5198aea9@news.individual.net:
| Quote: | BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
You're asking too much of bum. He doesn't think.
When does an abortion become unacceptable?
When the pregnant woman considering one says so. |
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Late term abortions are the horror show that are held up by those who
vehemently oppose abortion. It's like that worn out image of the
little, helpless white coated baby seal being clubbed that the
American Humane Society (a joke of an organization) still holds up as
an example of why seal hunting is bad. Despite how baby seals
haven't been harvested for years and that culling seals is no
different than deer culls are as a conservation tactic.
Nonsensical anology. Typical anti-choice bs. |
| Quote: | I think that anyone who freaks out over stem cells culled from
fertilized ovaries that are destined to be destroyed anyway, ignoring
that they are destroyed, is barking mad.
I recently bought stock in a company that specializes in stem cell |
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The whole idea is completely contradictory.
Anti-choice is anti-liberty. |
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Pastor Dave
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: They Hide Their Philosophical And Metaphisical Argument |
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Codebreaker
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> spake thusly:
| Quote: | On Jul 20, 1:58 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:49:38 -0400, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com
wrote in alt.atheism:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:41:23 -0700 (PDT), Codebreaker
Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> spake thusly:
On Jul 19, 3:39 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d6ffaf31-2374-45ad-af33-b334c4eaaeba@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 18, 4:03 pm, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
But they fool nobody but themselves.
Just because they think Evolution is Science
does not make it so.
Gaze at some rocks all you want and try to tell
us how old they MIGHT be. Still
Evolution is not true.
Well, it might be true, Codebreaker. But, it might not be. Can't
test it. That's the point.
It might help if the idiot learned the difference
between evolution and geology.
What is the difference between dicks and cocks?
Which one do you take up in your...?
And what does it matter what the difference is,
when they claim geology proves evolution, as
if some old rocks (if that were true) proves that
we all came from a blob?
Btw, that "blob" was disproved! It was what
they though single celled organisms were
before they were proved to be far more complex
than any major city!
Yea, it was easy to say we evolved from them,
until it was proved that the "them" was complex! :)
Your master of ignorance is fascinating, but it is at war with reality
and calls God a liar, a trickster who is intentionally misleading us. Go
learn some science and repent of the lies you tell us.- Hide quoted text -
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Claiming that someone is ignorant does not MAKE it so.
Specially when that claim originated from some
braggarts by the name ATHEISTS.
You can only intimidate some weak minds.
As for us we are not intimidated for not
being brainwashed into atheistic worldview.
Down with Al Gore. Global is NOT warming
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Once again, an evolutionist proves my point about them
for me! Notice that his response was not, "Here is proof
that we all came from a blob of protoplasm", which was
disproved. Notice that his response did not include an
admission that this belief started with the idea that a
single celled organism was just a blob of protoplasm,
nor that this has been disproved. Rather, his response
was to attack God, pretending that this means that
I have to "learn some science" somehow proves
evolution.
Did you see any "science" in his response? I did not.
I stated scientific facts and he attacks God in response
and yet I'm the one who's ignorant? Bawahahaha!!!
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"Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific
work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to
the gates of the temple of science are written the
words: Ye must have faith. It is a quality which
the scientist cannot dispense with." - Max Planck
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Lord Calvert
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On Jul 19, 1:10 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Syd <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:972ccbc2-d47a-40d4-9e2c-
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...While, when she was "kissed by Jesus", she went and got the best
medical treatment available.
where did she go?
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IIRC, she went to Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York City among
other places. Sloan-Kettering is generally regarded to be the finest
cancer hospital in the world. Have to do a little research to make
sure.
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
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Mark Sebree
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: Bush Works to Protect Pro-Life Health Care Workers |
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On Jul 21, 6:39 pm, jose <josefsop...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 21, 1:45 pm, jcon <cirej...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 21, 2:31 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
Finally, bush is doing something positive.
http://www.citizenlink.org/CLNews/A000007833.cfm
Bush Works to Protect Pro-Life Health Care Workers
Remind me. I'm trying to remember the last time
someone bombed a pro-life organization.
-jc
Do you think Bush ought protect infant butchers?
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Those people are already being arrested and sent to jail. Killing
infants is illegal and a major felony in all 50 states, and has been
since before our country was a country.
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Lord Calvert
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:04 am Post subject: Re: Counselor fired over Christian beliefs |
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On Jul 21, 7:24 pm, jemcd wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:42:54 -0400, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
"Employees should not be
forced to check their religious beliefs at the door,"
Like politicians are supposed to, judges, prosecutors, police,
doctors, pharmacists, teachers, paramedics, and on and on.
Some jobs require you to check your religious beliefs at the door.
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Except, of course, she wasn't required to check her religious beliefs
at the door. She was terminated not because of her beliefs but because
of her actions. She knowingly and willingly violated a signed
contract, thus violating one of the Ten Commandments as well
(something about bearing false witness).
J, why do you support commandment breakers? Don't they merit death, as
God commanded? Lying is ok as long as you lie to someone outside the
faith?
Rich Goranson
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Davej
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: Re: Tiller abortion clinic allegedly performs abortion on un |
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On Jul 20, 10:59 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
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Wichita, Jul 18, 2008 / 05:55 pm (CNA).- A sixteen-year-old Kansas
girl was allegedly forced by her mother to undergo an abortion on
Wednesday... [...]
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Gee, I thought people like "J" believed in absolute parental
authority? |
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Codebreaker
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: Re: And The Archbishop of Canterbury Is Wrong |
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On Jul 21, 7:42 pm, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:43:21 -0700 (PDT), Tohu.B...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Jul 21, 6:38 pm, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:27:18 -0700 (PDT), Codebreaker
Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Jul 21, 6:04 pm, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:51:35 -0700 (PDT), "Codebrea...@bigsecret.com"
Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
He should have
said, Catholic Trinitarian doctrines is ofensive
to Muslims.
So what?
Catholicism does not make up the whole CHRISTIANITY
not even according to HISTORY.
Acts 15 shows that not all christians were Paulines.
And Catholcism is derived from Paul's theology.
YOU ARE AT A LOSS. LOL
Who gives a flying fuck about Acts, imbecile?
YOU ARE A PIG-IGNORANT IMBECILE WHO IS INCAPABLE OF THINKING OUTSIDE
HIS RELIGION, AS WELL AS A THOROUGHLY NASTY ABOUT THOSE OUTSIDE IT.- Hide quoted text -
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Again, this is nolonger about religion or faith
but about intellectual inquiry...
It is not my fault If you have no way to know
WHY DO YOU IN-YOUR-FACE MORONS RUDELY AND STUPIDLY POST YOUR MASSIVE
STUPIDITY WHERE IS IS IRRELEVANT, NYM-SHIFTING ASSHOLE?- Hide quoted text -
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It is relevant everywhere unless you are not living
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:42 am Post subject: Re: And The Archbishop of Canterbury Is Wrong |
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On Jul 21, 9:37 pm, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:33:46 -0700 (PDT), Codebreaker
Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Jul 21, 7:42 pm, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:43:21 -0700 (PDT), Tohu.B...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Jul 21, 6:38 pm, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:27:18 -0700 (PDT), Codebreaker
Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On Jul 21, 6:04 pm, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:51:35 -0700 (PDT), "Codebrea...@bigsecret..com"
Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
He should have
said, Catholic Trinitarian doctrines is ofensive
to Muslims.
So what?
Catholicism does not make up the whole CHRISTIANITY
not even according to HISTORY.
Acts 15 shows that not all christians were Paulines.
And Catholcism is derived from Paul's theology.
YOU ARE AT A LOSS. LOL
Who gives a flying fuck about Acts, imbecile?
YOU ARE A PIG-IGNORANT IMBECILE WHO IS INCAPABLE OF THINKING OUTSIDE
HIS RELIGION, AS WELL AS A THOROUGHLY NASTY ABOUT THOSE OUTSIDE IT.- Hide quoted text -
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Again, this is nolonger about religion or faith
but about intellectual inquiry...
It is not my fault If you have no way to know
WHY DO YOU IN-YOUR-FACE MORONS RUDELY AND STUPIDLY POST YOUR MASSIVE
STUPIDITY WHERE IS IS IRRELEVANT, NYM-SHIFTING ASSHOLE?- Hide quoted text -
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It is relevant everywhere unless you are not living
in the real world. Stupid ass
I see. You arrogantly decide that the bullshit you wipe in people's
faces, is relevant to them, imbecile?
All because you are incapable of grasping where your religion stops
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My faith embrace it all. It goes beyond
where heaven and earth meeet.
IT IS NOT LIKE EVOLUTION WHICH HAS NO CHRIST |
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On Jul 21, 3:59 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
| Quote: | George "Tiller the Baby Killer" is at it again. Ray Fischer is smiling
somewhere.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13298
Tiller abortion clinic allegedly performs abortion on unwilling
sixteen-year-old
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Par for the course.
Abortion was always about social control: eugenics and euthanasia.
Margaret Sanger, etc. It shouldn't be surprising when people as
immoral as those who believe in abortion should take things only
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melange
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:50 am Post subject: Re: Tiller abortion clinic allegedly performs abortion on un |
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On Jul 22, 5:31 am, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu2...@mchsi.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:59:01 -0400,
Jon Young/IBenGetiner <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13298
Tiller abortion clinic allegedly performs abortion on unwilling
sixteen-year-old
More hateful BULLCRAP from the asinine RRR Cultists. Tiller
does his work to the letter, by the book. HE can be believed.
Only FOOLS believe the propaganda and lies of the RRR Cult.
FLUSSSSSSsssshhhhh!!
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All abortions are coercive against the unborn, who is given no choice
in the matter. Deadly force is used against the fetus even as it
shrinks from the abortionist's cruel instruments
http://www.abortioninstruments.com/
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-- Craig Chilton
xanadu...@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com-- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com-- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
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GOD'S "WIN-WIN-WIN" SITUATION
God is omniscient and omnipotent. That means that He has
always KNOWN everything *about* everything, past present
and future. And that He may freely INTERACT, uniquely, with
any person, group, or all humanity, however and whenever He
chooses.
Trillions (indeed, even octillions) of years ago, God KNEW
just *which* human entities (from sperm and ova on, inclu-
sive) would be born, and which ones would NOT, for what-
ever reason. In the case of Jeremiah, He interacted BEFORE
Jeremiah reached the womb -- while Jeremiah was STILL at
the sperm-and-ovum stage! (Jer. 1:5). In THAT case, at
least, the soul had been instilled at the sperm-and-egg
stage -- the stage at which God communicated with Jeremiah.
So it's VERY possible that God instills ALL souls at that
stage... since God ALREADY knows which of them will later
become people, and which ones will not. And if He chooses
to instill souls in ALL of those, then heaven must be a VERY
populated place. And any potential people that happened to
have been aborted then got a FREE pass to heaven. And
missed the RISK that is faced by all of us here on earth.
And then, there also is the very REAL possibility that God
chooses to instill souls ONLY in the entities that He KNOWS,
beforehand, *will* be BORN. Then there are NO free passes
to heaven. But that's no loss to the QUINTILLION human
entities, daily, that never knew the difference.
Any way you look at it, it's a "win-win" situation for God.
Which makes it no great surprise that He never said so much
as ONE SINGLE WORD against abortion. Since abortion is a
highly-valuable REMEDY that enables millions of women to put
their lives BACK on track, and gives them another chance to
pursue their full ranges of future opportunities, the availability
of it is FAR more in line with God's COMPASSION (and the
compassion that Jesus commanded us to show to others),
than it would be for women to be FORCED to carry-to-term
against their will, and see many of their opportunities and
their well-being destroyed. (Particularly since God ALSO
was/is well-aware that MOST women who DO obtain abortions
go on later to HAVE children, by choice, when the timing is
better, and the circumstances and prospects for long-term
stable family environments are far more favorable.)
For God, the status quo is "win-win-win" -- all the way!
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Sheesh..... What a dick! |
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On Jul 22, 9:51 am, "Codebrea...@bigsecret.com"
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
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| Quote: | Is a Catholic every offshoot of a catholic chrurch
who still believe in the Nicean Creed as this CREED
summarize Paul theoloy.
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No, the reformation separated the daughter churches.
| Quote: | Our Exegesis shows that Muslims are Christian too,
though they may not be trinitarian.
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The argument against that is that Christianity got it's name from
Antioch, where Paul and others were teaching. The Pauline
interpretation of the crucifixion is essential to Christianity. Since
the Ebionites rejected Paul and Muslims are theological descendants of
Ebionites, it follows that Muslims are not Christians. Also the title
of Christ has Hellenic roots, while title of Messiah has Hebrew roots.
The mission of Yeshua was directed towards Israel, not the Greeks, so
the Christian title gives a pro-gentile bias which is not supported by
actual mission.
| Quote: | Is a christian anyone who, to the exception of the Jew rejecters,
accepts Jesus as the Christ or Messiah foretold by Moses
in the Torah.
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By name they are called Messianics, although some Messianics think
that Paul was a legitimate apostle.
| Quote: | Muslims accept Jesus as the Messiah
or Christ then Muslims are Christians.
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The idea of annointing (Messiah = annointed) has no place in Muslim
belief, AFAIK.
| Quote: | It is a mistake to define
Christian solely as someone who confess Jesus as the
SON OF GOD or the one who, following Paul's theology,
believe in the redemptive death of Christ.
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:50:18 -0700 (PDT), melange
<email_type_here@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 22, 5:31 am, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu2...@mchsi.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:59:01 -0400,
Jon Young/IBenGetiner <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13298
Tiller abortion clinic allegedly performs abortion on unwilling
sixteen-year-old
More hateful BULLCRAP from the asinine RRR Cultists. Tiller
does his work to the letter, by the book. HE can be believed.
Only FOOLS believe the propaganda and lies of the RRR Cult.
FLUSSSSSSsssshhhhh!!
All abortions are coercive against the unborn, who is given no choice
in the matter. Deadly force is used against the fetus even as it
shrinks from the abortionist's cruel instruments
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You're as dumb as IBen ... assuming you *aren't* IBen... |
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"J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
| Quote: | George "Tiller the Baby Killer" is at it again. Ray Fischer is smiling
somewhere.
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You're always classy, JYoung/IBen.
| Quote: | http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13298
Tiller abortion clinic allegedly performs abortion on unwilling
sixteen-year-old
Wichita, Jul 18, 2008 / 05:55 pm (CNA).- A sixteen-year-old Kansas girl
was allegedly forced by her mother to undergo an abortion on Wednesday
at an abortion clinic run by the notorious late-term abortionist George Tiller.
Reportedly both the teenage girl and the baby's father, who was also
sixteen, objected to the abortion. The young father arrived at the clinic
too late to stop the abortion, a pro-life group says.
According to an incident report from the Kansas Coalition for Life (KCFL)
the sixteen-year-old girl was two months pregnant.
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Dr. Tiller specializes in late-term abortions. Why would his clinic
be involved in a ***1st trimester*** abortion? There are plenty of
other clinics that could provide a 1st trimester abortion at far less
cost.
The only references to this story that I can find are on right-to-lie
web sites. It's almost as if maybe someone was making stuff up.
Oh, one more thing - look for disgraced DA Phill Kline to show up
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:42:54 -0400, "J" <Jvisions@live.com> wrote:
| Quote: | This is definitely a case for the ACLU. Imagine the audacity of the clinic
to ask this woman to compromise her values and beliefs.
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Funny how fundies whine about the ACLU and demonize them until they
think they can help.
Her values don't include treating homosexuals like anybody else, and
she's a loser in that regard.
Unemployed too.
| Quote: | "Employees should not be
forced to check their religious beliefs at the door,"
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Like politicians are supposed to, judges, prosecutors, police,
doctors, pharmacists, teachers, paramedics, and on and on.
Some jobs require you to check your religious beliefs at the door.
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"In this instance the employer placed upon Ms. Walden an unconstitutional
choice. It forced her to either sacrifice her religious beliefs and offer
counsel despite her religiously based conflict, or it forced her to refer
the potential client to another counselor and lose her job," says the ADF
attorney, who states it is "egregious" for any Christian employee to face
termination for abiding by their religious principles.
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Stoning for various offenses is part of religious belief. Abiding by
that ok too?
In for penny, in for a pound.
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Campbell contends Walden is being punished for doing the right thing
twice -- first, for remaining true to her beliefs; and second, for ensuring
that the employee received the requested counseling.
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If refusing to counsel somebody(or whatever work is expected) is
unacceptable to the employer, they may well have the right to fire
that person. I bet they wanted to avoid the fundy uproar, apparently
that didn't go so well! Even if they handled it clumsily, they offered
her an out, a way to keep working. She could have thought of a way to
refer people elsewhere without humiliating the person seeking help. Is
it that difficult for this counselor to understand that the way she
refused was an insult? The person is already troubled, so go ahead and
belittle them further, attagirl.
I would have fired her for her not putting the client's needs first.
Period.
Paid to help people, help them or hit the frickin door, plenty of
people want good jobs and plenty of them are not homophobic.
I think the woman should have bit the bullet and tried to help, maybe
she would have learned something.
Maybe it would have helped her figure out the whole jesus thing is
bullshit.
It's how my parents drifted away from the RCC.
In a nutshell, they found out their bestest buddy was gay, and he was
basically ostracized from their church. The RCC treated him badly, and
that was wrong, then the RCC is wrong, they loved this guy. They
stayed close friends, and almost stopped going to church after 70
years of faithful attendance.
I was highly impressed with my parents, especially my dad, he was
kinda fundy all his life and I never thought he could change.
I wish I knew the story before he died, I needed to have that
conversation with him.
I think fundies desperately need to befriend gays, they can really
learn that there is nothing wrong with them. They might lose a demon
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