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Lhamo
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 Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 2:45 am Post subject: Re: Is being abusive a zen thing? |
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Return of the BWZ wrote:
| Quote: | You're quite deceitful in saying such a thing Lhamo - Milrepa's teacher was
no walk in the park either. You must know such a thing, and yet you plead
ignorance.
Sean
"Lhamo" <lhamo@real.email.address.not> wrote in message
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Okay, I think I'm figuring out a few things about Zen.
Is it true that Zen students are subjected to verbal abuse by their
teachers, which they then imitate on others?
This is completely alien to me, having only been exposed to Tibetan
buddhism where the teachers are usually gentle and kind, knowing that
the tendency of students is to imitate their teachers. If they use
wrathful means, it is rare enough that the student cannot mistake it for
normal behavior that they should imitate.
I'm reading Tang's previous post now, maybe that will give me more
insights ... but I'm leaning more and more to "Zen is not buddhism."
- Lhamo
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Marpa treated Milarepa badly in order to destroy his tremendous negative
karma from killing with magical spells and so on. Otherwise, he was a
very kind and gentle man, even on the outside, although he could be
stern with his employees as a practical part of being a householder with
a farm to run.
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Evelyn Ruut
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 2:46 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn's wise words |
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"Lhamo" <lhamo@real.email.address.not> wrote in message
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Evelyn Ruut wrote:
A wonderful teacher I knew used to tell people how great they were, how
very
wise, how intelligent, how enlightened they were. It wasn't empty
flattery, it was a lesson about what sort of a world he created around
him,
surrounded by wonderful beings. Not only that it made people open up
to
him, feel good about themselves. He discovered a great secret, I
think.
Evelyn may have flakey views about telepathy (what does anyone really
know about telepathy anyway?), but this is just beautiful.
- Lhamo
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Thank you Lhamo. I am sorry to correct you, but we weren't actually
talking about telepathy, which is communication between minds. We were
talking about clairvoyance, which is different.
--
Evelyn
"Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having
nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst
into laughter." -Longchenpa
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Return of the BWZ
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 2:53 am Post subject: Re: Is being abusive a zen thing? |
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Well, it seems you understand although you say you didn't.
sean
"Lhamo" <lhamo@real.email.address.not> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Return of the BWZ wrote:
You're quite deceitful in saying such a thing Lhamo - Milrepa's teacher
was
no walk in the park either. You must know such a thing, and yet you
plead
ignorance.
Sean
"Lhamo" <lhamo@real.email.address.not> wrote in message
news:3F4A2ED2.4090206@real.email.address.not...
Okay, I think I'm figuring out a few things about Zen.
Is it true that Zen students are subjected to verbal abuse by their
teachers, which they then imitate on others?
This is completely alien to me, having only been exposed to Tibetan
buddhism where the teachers are usually gentle and kind, knowing that
the tendency of students is to imitate their teachers. If they use
wrathful means, it is rare enough that the student cannot mistake it for
normal behavior that they should imitate.
I'm reading Tang's previous post now, maybe that will give me more
insights ... but I'm leaning more and more to "Zen is not buddhism."
- Lhamo
Marpa treated Milarepa badly in order to destroy his tremendous negative
karma from killing with magical spells and so on. Otherwise, he was a
very kind and gentle man, even on the outside, although he could be
stern with his employees as a practical part of being a householder with
a farm to run.
- Lhamo
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Return of the BWZ
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 3:04 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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hahahaha
Sean
"Night_Seer" <ecamacho4 at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Mine are psychedelic powers...I can make grass wave to and fro just by
looking at it.
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Night_Seer
"Collectively Unconscious" <swarm.no@spam.provalue.net> wrote in message
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I have psydekick powers.
NeoLazarusx wrote:
except that most everyone has learned to call it 'intuition' so as to
avoid
any ridicule associated with the word 'psychic'.
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Tang Huyen
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 3:28 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Evelyn Ruut wrote:
| Quote: | You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
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Evelyn
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No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen |
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Collectively Unconscious
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 3:34 am Post subject: Re: Is being abusive a zen thing? |
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My clock is fine. 3:33 pm
Lhamo wrote:
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Fix your !@#$% clock.
- Lhamo
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Evelyn Ruut
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 3:42 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Evelyn Ruut wrote:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
--
Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
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No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short, it doesn't
work and you will get no definitive answers.
--
Evelyn
"Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having
nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst
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Collectively Unconscious
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 3:47 am Post subject: Re: Tang boasts of pissing people off? |
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I know some one who is the same. Yes it is a great secret.
Telepathy is no big mystery.
Do you really want a sense that let's you know exactly
how it feels for your prey to be eaten alive?
Are you ready to suffer the pangs every sickness, injury and death
in whatever your range would be?
Want to share minds with the truly insane?
Any trend towards telepathy was weeded out of the gene pool
a long, long time ago.
Evelyn Ruut wrote:
| Quote: | A wonderful teacher I knew used to tell people how great they were,
how very
wise, how intelligent, how enlightened they were. It wasn't empty
flattery, it was a lesson about what sort of a world he created around him,
surrounded by wonderful beings. Not only that it made people open up to
him, feel good about themselves. He discovered a great secret, I think.
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Evelyn Ruut
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 3:49 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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"cupcake" <t@r.slrup> wrote in message news:vqw2b.2$9n2.155@news.more.net...
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Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma)
From: "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lion@hvc.rr.com
Reply to: [1]"Evelyn Ruut"
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:42:32 GMT
Organization: Road Runner - NYC
Newsgroups:
[2]alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism,
[4]alt.zen,
[5]alt.philosophy.zen,
[6]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Evelyn Ruut wrote:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
--
Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short, it
doesn't
work and you will get no definitive answers.
i'll bet'u dollars ta doughnuts that my psychic powers
are bigger than yer psychic powers -- yu little
Vajra dirt bag
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No contest, cupcake my little wicked pumpkin..... you win.
:-)
--
Evelyn
"Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having
nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst
into laughter." -Longchenpa |
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Collectively Unconscious
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 3:50 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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I have psydekick powers.
NeoLazarusx wrote:
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any ridicule associated with the word 'psychic'. |
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cupcake
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 3:52 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma)
From: "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lion@hvc.rr.com
Reply to: [1]"Evelyn Ruut"
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:42:32 GMT
Organization: Road Runner - NYC
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[3]talk.religion.buddhism,
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
[22]news:3F4A8D82.15A1BEB4@yahoo.com...
Evelyn Ruut wrote:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
--
Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short, it doesn't
work and you will get no definitive answers.
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i'll bet'u dollars ta doughnuts that my psychic powers
are bigger than yer psychic powers -- yu little
Vajra dirt bag
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cupcake
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 4:03 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma)
From: cupcake <t@r.slrup
Reply to: [1]cupcake
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:52:11 GMT
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[3]talk.religion.buddhism,
[4]alt.zen,
[5]alt.philosophy.zen,
[6]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
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Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma)
From: "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lion@hvc.rr.com
Reply to: [1]"Evelyn Ruut"
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:42:32 GMT
Organization: Road Runner - NYC
Newsgroups:
[2]alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism,
[4]alt.zen,
[5]alt.philosophy.zen,
[6]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
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[10]<3f3f117c_5@corp.newsgroups.com
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Evelyn Ruut wrote:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
--
Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short, it doesn't
work and you will get no definitive answers.
i'll bet'u dollars ta doughnuts that my psychic powers
are bigger than yer psychic powers -- yu little
Vajra dirt bag
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i mean, how's come all of yer Vajra gurus and tulkus and
lamas, and stuff, didn't use all of their psychic powers
in 1905 to stop a contingent of 500 British dragoons,
invading from India, from conquering and subjugating all
of Tibet, huh?
(i mean, yu Vajra wimps wimped out way back
in 1905 -- why are you dick-heads whining
about the Chinese, huh?)
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Ch'an Fu
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 4:32 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Collectively Unconscious wrote:
| Quote: | You obviously don't understand the limits of statistical analysis or the
mechanics of hunches.
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explain them please, since you imply
that you do understand such things
with good precision. please begin with
the "mechanics of hunches", since the
"limits of statistical analysis" are pretty
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LongDang
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 5:02 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Evelyn Ruut wrote in message
If I could turn it off and on at will don't you think I would
go
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Of Course Not...Eve...Nothing That DiffiCult...How About You
Just...Free Tibet...! |
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Sanford M. Manley
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 5:17 am Post subject: Re: Is being abusive a zen thing? |
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"Collectively Unconscious" <swarm.no@spam.provalue.net> wrote
| Quote: | Ain't that what they all say?
Lhamo wrote:
Marpa treated Milarepa badly in order to destroy his tremendous negative
karma from killing with magical spells and so on. Otherwise, he was a
very kind and gentle man
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"This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you." |
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