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Tang Huyen
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 Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Evelyn Ruut wrote:
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Evelyn Ruut:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
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Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short, it
doesn't work and you will get no definitive answers.
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Evelyn
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Heavy artillery or not, pyrotechnic on the screen is all
I need.
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cupcake
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Tang wrote:
| Quote: | Evelyn Ruut wrote:
"Tang Huyen"
Evelyn Ruut:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
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Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short, it
doesn't work and you will get no definitive answers.
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Evelyn
Heavy artillery or not, pyrotechnic on the screen is all
I need.
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and, there's no question but that Evvie, and all
her little Vajra friends, are burning with delusion!
RIGHT ON, TANG!
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NeoLazarusx
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 5:53 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Evelyn Ruut wrote:
"Tang Huyen"
Evelyn Ruut:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
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Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short, it
doesn't work and you will get no definitive answers.
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Evelyn
Heavy artillery or not, pyrotechnic on the screen is all
I need.
Tang Huyen
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Why? Do the sophists put your name up on a plaque in the Hall of Fame? |
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cupcake
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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NeoLazarsux (the wannabe unemployed with no gigs rock star)
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| Quote: | "Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote:
Evelyn Ruut wrote:
"Tang Huyen"
Evelyn Ruut:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
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Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short, it
doesn't work and you will get no definitive answers.
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Evelyn
Heavy artillery or not, pyrotechnic on the screen is all
I need.
Tang Huyen
Why? Do the sophists put your name up on a plaque in the Hall of
Fame?
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the name of His High Most Excellency Tang Huyen will
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Tang Huyen
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 6:02 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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NeoLazarusx wrote:
| Quote: | "Tang Huyen"
Evelyn Ruut:
"Tang Huyen"
Evelyn Ruut:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
--
Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short, it
doesn't work and you will get no definitive answers.
--
Evelyn
Heavy artillery or not, pyrotechnic on the screen is all
I need.
Tang Huyen
Why? Do the sophists put your name up on a plaque in the Hall of Fame?
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My goal is humble, namely to test the claims that people make. If it
takes just a little expenditure (a few mere words) to verify or
unverify the claims, and the results are spectacular, like pyrotechnic,
then that's eloquent enough for me.
If people didn't make claims, then I'd have no need for testing their
claims. But since people do make claims, I prefer to make my testing
as parsimonious as possible.
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Collectively Unconscious
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 6:11 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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You obviously don't understand the limits of statistical analysis or the
mechanics of hunches.
Hunches don't come when you call them and nobody knows what triggers a
hunch. You can't just sit down and start testing.
Even in people who are prone to hunches they are rare and often involve
personal risk. How will you ethically gather sufficient samples for any
analysis?
What you are suggesting is testing cold guessing. Its been tested over
and over. Look it up if you wish. But it isn't testing hunches.
If you don't know how a car works, you are likely to injure yourself or
another while learning. If you don't know how a computer works I doubt
you will actually get any use from it. And these are static and accessible.
Tang Huyen wrote:
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Collectively Unconscious wrote:
How do you make effective tests for irreproducible
events you don't understand?
Statistically. Throw a test, check whether the claimant
has the right hunch, throw another test, etc. If over a
course of several tests, the batting average is high, the
claimant justly claims good hunches; if the batting
average is low, the claimant wrongly claims good
hunches.
If over time, the claimant repeatedly misinterprets
signs (as present in posts from others) and ends up
with a high rate of failure, even when the average
sinner in the street who has no notion of
supernatural powers can easily pick up the cues,
then the claimant has either no hunches (success rate
equals random) or has bad hunches (success rate is
less than random).
It is like driving a car or using a computer: you don't
need to know how cars operate to drive them, just as
you don't need to know how computers operate to
use them. But if the car runs well or if the computer
does what it is supposed to do, then you know that
they work. Contrariwise if the car breaks or the
computer crashes, you know that they fail.
Tang Huyen
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NeoLazarusx
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 6:14 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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NeoLazarusx wrote:
"Tang Huyen"
Evelyn Ruut:
"Tang Huyen"
Evelyn Ruut:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
--
Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an
old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short, it
doesn't work and you will get no definitive answers.
--
Evelyn
Heavy artillery or not, pyrotechnic on the screen is all
I need.
Tang Huyen
Why? Do the sophists put your name up on a plaque in the Hall of Fame?
My goal is humble, namely to test the claims that people make. If it
takes just a little expenditure (a few mere words) to verify or
unverify the claims, and the results are spectacular, like pyrotechnic,
then that's eloquent enough for me.
If people didn't make claims, then I'd have no need for testing their
claims. But since people do make claims, I prefer to make my testing
as parsimonious as possible.
Tang Huyen
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So... no plaque then. Well spoken though... Your stooges could use some
training however - especially Petie.
-NL
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Ch'an Fu
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Collectively Unconscious wrote:
| Quote: | done.
Ch'an Fu wrote:
Collectively Unconscious wrote:
You obviously don't understand the limits of statistical analysis or the
mechanics of hunches.
explain them please, since you imply
that you do understand such things
with good precision. please begin with
the "mechanics of hunches", since the
"limits of statistical analysis" are pretty
well known.
thanks in advance.
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cupcake
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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NeoLazarsux wrote:
| Quote: | "Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote:
NeoLazarusx wrote:
"Tang Huyen"
Evelyn Ruut:
"Tang Huyen"
Evelyn Ruut:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
--
Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an
old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short, it
doesn't work and you will get no definitive answers.
--
Evelyn
Heavy artillery or not, pyrotechnic on the screen is all
I need.
Tang Huyen
Why? Do the sophists put your name up on a plaque in the Hall of Fame?
My goal is humble, namely to test the claims that people make. If it
takes just a little expenditure (a few mere words) to verify or
unverify the claims, and the results are spectacular, like pyrotechnic,
then that's eloquent enough for me.
If people didn't make claims, then I'd have no need for testing their
claims. But since people do make claims, I prefer to make my testing
as parsimonious as possible.
Tang Huyen
So... no plaque then. Well spoken though... Your stooges could use some
training however - especially Petie.
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yu cud use ta put an act together, yu fucking loser
bwahahahahahahahahahahaha! ha!
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Lifeform Bri
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote:.
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What matters is that my pals and I can almost induce
some people to blow on mere words, even if they
claim to be able to listen to their hunches. And we can
do it routinely, day in day out, month in month out,
year in year out.
Tang Huyen
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Yeah...that's fascinating, Tang. But we want to see some new tricks. |
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cupcake
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma)
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote:.
What matters is that my pals and I can almost induce
some people to blow on mere words, even if they
claim to be able to listen to their hunches. And we can
do it routinely, day in day out, month in month out,
year in year out.
Tang Huyen
Yeah...that's fascinating, Tang. But we want to see some new tricks.
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well, juzt wait 'til yu see Tang's new forthcoming
book entitled "Vajra Vixens" !!!!! |
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Lifeform Bri
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 6:42 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3F4AB19D.1B7D5E65@yahoo.com...
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My goal is humble, namely to test the claims that people make. If it
takes just a little expenditure (a few mere words) to verify or
unverify the claims, and the results are spectacular, like pyrotechnic,
then that's eloquent enough for me.
If people didn't make claims, then I'd have no need for testing their
claims. But since people do make claims, I prefer to make my testing
as parsimonious as possible.
Tang Huyen
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Now how do I test this heaping load of steamy horse-shit? |
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Collectively Unconscious
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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done.
Ch'an Fu wrote:
| Quote: | Collectively Unconscious wrote:
You obviously don't understand the limits of statistical analysis or the
mechanics of hunches.
explain them please, since you imply
that you do understand such things
with good precision. please begin with
the "mechanics of hunches", since the
"limits of statistical analysis" are pretty
well known.
thanks in advance.
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Tad Perry
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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"cupcake" <t@r.slrup> wrote in message news:A6y2b.8$9n2.292@news.more.net...
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Tang wrote:
Evelyn Ruut wrote:
"Tang Huyen"
Evelyn Ruut:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
--
Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short, it
doesn't work and you will get no definitive answers.
--
Evelyn
Heavy artillery or not, pyrotechnic on the screen is all
I need.
and, there's no question but that Evvie, and all
her little Vajra friends, are burning with delusion!
RIGHT ON, TANG!
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Actually, there's no question that many of the superstitious nitwits
inhabiting this world (such as cupcake) have their collective heads up their
asses.
The accusation you hurl at others most aptly applies to you yourself. (Of
course you're not looking at yourself and don't notice.)
Most people such as our cupcake here actually don't care anything of the
truth or investigating it rationally.
The entire exchange is much more about ridiculing someone and putting them
down in a socially acceptable context. It's about ego games and playing king
of the hill and "I'm smarter/better than you are."
It's a chance to pick on a scapegoat, and for people with low-level
mentalities such as he, this chance to ridicule is not to be missed.
Heaven forbid he actually started treating everyone with the same equanimity
or respect!
Heaven forbid that he listened to Gotama's own words!
Here are some facts to gnaw on regarding ESP and this form of thinking.
In the 1950's there was a study of ESP made by a psychologist at a major
university. The study showed positive results. The professor doing the study
(and his study) were lambasted by other professors and lay people who, of
course, were biased to believe ESP was impossible.
They didn't check. They didn't try to repeat the experiments described. They
just jumped on a big bandwagon and claimed it wasn't possible and that the
experiments must be flawed.
Period.
End of story.
Part of the problem was that in this particular professor's studies, he
found that removing certain controls increased the ability of testees, while
putting controls in place reduced or completely nullified correlating
results.
He was trying to point out to academia that this itself was a very
interesting result, but he was largely ignored and ridiculed.
Meanwhile, in quantum physics, scientists had proven that if you presume
light is a wave (and set up your apparatus to detect it as a wave) that the
interference pattern on a screen would be of the type predicted for a wave.
They showed the that using the exact same light source, but switching to
apparatus that presumes light is a stream of particles, results in a
completely different interference pattern (one would predict for particles).
All this despite the same light traveling through the same slits and being
projected on the same screen.
Some know-it-all psychologists (who engage in egotism and put-down behavior
towards those who would study such things) have still not yet come to grips
with the fact that so-called psychic abilities are of the same sort.
Others continue studying the topic and continue finding out more.
If you set things up based on a presumption that such abilities do not
exist, test subjects will fail. If you set things up based on the
presumption that such abilities might exist, the abilities begin to appear.
Skeptics are apparently too stupid to understand this simple explanation.
Meanwhile, there are actual clairvoyants with real abilities used by our
police forces to help solve difficult cases and there are some stunning
examples of success. The police don't ask why or how. They just want their
criminal. The need to solve crimes is enough for some police to look into
it, try it, and change their minds completely once having been exposed to
it.
Those who understand this subject and carry out tests under the proper
conditions, as well as those who have these abilities, don't usually bother
talking to the cupcakes of the world, because it's a total waste of time.
(Watch him prove it before your very eyes.)
The truth is that on this matter people like cupcake are utter imbeciles who
believe the truth responds to their opinion.
You know the saying "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him
drink?"
Cupcake is like that horse.
He won't acknowledge that he's thirsty or that there's even water anywhere
nearby.
Would you be surprised to know that it is EXACTLY this behavior that makes
me tend toward thinking it's perfectly fine if this world ends and even that
that result may, perhaps, be preferable?
In fact, with thinking like his in place, this world has no hope, but I
believe that won't be clear for at least another decade.
Why do I say so?
Isn't this the exact same ridiculing, "I know better than you" behavior that
people adopted ten years ago when claiming there was no global warming?
Close inspection will show that it's the same basic mechanism in both cases.
The same put-down game was played.
How sick does someone have to be to not only ridicule others, but to do so
over matters about which they are completely wrong?
When forced by circumstances that could no longer be ignored to admit that
there was in fact global warming, is it not, yet again, the same ridiculing,
"I know better than you" behavior among certain people who have begun to
insist that global warming is not caused by man, and that there is nothing
to worry about?
The reason this opinion is convenient is that if it's true, nothing needs to
be done. Because it *is* convenient to believe this opinion, it is held
widely, despite being wrong. I suppose it's more comfortable to believe this
convenient opinion and just continue driving, and mass consuming, and doing
next to nothing about the basic problem out of the false belief that there
is no real problem here.
It's like lemmings approaching a cliff at a dead heat and denying there's
any cliff.
Yes, well, going back to the leading-a-horse-to-water analogy, I believe the
horse is going to be led into the water and either drink it down in it's
entirety or drown in it.
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Tang Huyen
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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NeoLazarusx wrote:
| Quote: | So... no plaque then. Well spoken though... Your stooges
could use some training however - especially Petie.
-NL
NAX
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Pete/cupcake tends to be crude and primitive in his provocation,
but as such still is very effective. If you wonder why, well,
his targets are at that level, too, so to be crude and primitive
is all it takes to get his job done.
Some people engage in mud-wrestling with him day in day out,
month in month out, year in year out, and they play by his rules,
not theirs.
Tang Huyen |
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