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Tang Huyen
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Lifeform Bri wrote:
| Quote: | Yeah...that's fascinating, Tang. But we want to see
some new tricks.
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Sorry, but if it works, why fix it?
If anything, the testing is become easier and easier as
the years go by, because the people who make claims have
massively deteriorated and regressed on their own side,
and instead of becoming desensitised to my testing over
time, they rather became more sensitised, so the same
tricks gain in strength unasked.
The people who make claims apparently have never learnt
anything from my testing of them. They still are as prone
to making claims as before, ego oblige, but if anything
are more susceptible to my testing than before.
All happens as if they hungered for my testing, dove in
head first to get themselves tested by the same tricks
time and again, and wanted dearly to fail more wretchedly
than last time.
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Night_Seer
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Are cupcake and Tang one in the same?
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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NeoLazarusx wrote:
So... no plaque then. Well spoken though... Your stooges
could use some training however - especially Petie.
-NL
NAX
Pete/cupcake tends to be crude and primitive in his provocation,
but as such still is very effective. If you wonder why, well,
his targets are at that level, too, so to be crude and primitive
is all it takes to get his job done.
Some people engage in mud-wrestling with him day in day out,
month in month out, year in year out, and they play by his rules,
not theirs.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Tad Perry wrote:
| Quote: | "cupcake" <t@r.slrup> wrote:
Tang wrote:
Evelyn Ruut wrote:
"Tang Huyen"
Evelyn Ruut:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
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Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short, it
doesn't work and you will get no definitive answers.
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Evelyn
Heavy artillery or not, pyrotechnic on the screen is all
I need.
and, there's no question but that Evvie, and all
her little Vajra friends, are burning with delusion!
RIGHT ON, TANG!
Actually, there's no question that many of the superstitious nitwits
inhabiting this world (such as cupcake) have their collective heads up their
asses.
The accusation you hurl at others most aptly applies to you yourself. (Of
course you're not looking at yourself and don't notice.)
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i am a master of correct buddhist Mindfulness Practice --
what's yer question?
| Quote: | Most people such as our cupcake here actually don't care anything of the
truth or investigating it rationally.
The entire exchange is much more about ridiculing someone and putting them
down in a socially acceptable context. It's about ego games and playing king
of the hill and "I'm smarter/better than you are."
It's a chance to pick on a scapegoat, and for people with low-level
mentalities such as he, this chance to ridicule is not to be missed.
Heaven forbid he actually started treating everyone with the same equanimity
or respect!
Heaven forbid that he listened to Gotama's own words!
Here are some facts to gnaw on regarding ESP and this form of thinking.
In the 1950's there was a study of ESP made by a psychologist at a major
university. The study showed positive results. The professor doing the study
(and his study) were lambasted by other professors and lay people who, of
course, were biased to believe ESP was impossible.
They didn't check. They didn't try to repeat the experiments described. They
just jumped on a big bandwagon and claimed it wasn't possible and that the
experiments must be flawed.
Period.
End of story.
Part of the problem was that in this particular professor's studies, he
found that removing certain controls increased the ability of testees, while
putting controls in place reduced or completely nullified correlating
results.
He was trying to point out to academia that this itself was a very
interesting result, but he was largely ignored and ridiculed.
Meanwhile, in quantum physics, scientists had proven that if you presume
light is a wave (and set up your apparatus to detect it as a wave) that the
interference pattern on a screen would be of the type predicted for a wave.
They showed the that using the exact same light source, but switching to
apparatus that presumes light is a stream of particles, results in a
completely different interference pattern (one would predict for particles).
All this despite the same light traveling through the same slits and being
projected on the same screen.
Some know-it-all psychologists (who engage in egotism and put-down behavior
towards those who would study such things) have still not yet come to grips
with the fact that so-called psychic abilities are of the same sort.
Others continue studying the topic and continue finding out more.
If you set things up based on a presumption that such abilities do not
exist, test subjects will fail. If you set things up based on the
presumption that such abilities might exist, the abilities begin to appear.
Skeptics are apparently too stupid to understand this simple explanation.
Meanwhile, there are actual clairvoyants with real abilities used by our
police forces to help solve difficult cases and there are some stunning
examples of success. The police don't ask why or how. They just want their
criminal. The need to solve crimes is enough for some police to look into
it, try it, and change their minds completely once having been exposed to
it.
Those who understand this subject and carry out tests under the proper
conditions, as well as those who have these abilities, don't usually bother
talking to the cupcakes of the world, because it's a total waste of time.
(Watch him prove it before your very eyes.)
The truth is that on this matter people like cupcake are utter imbeciles who
believe the truth responds to their opinion.
You know the saying "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him
drink?"
Cupcake is like that horse.
He won't acknowledge that he's thirsty or that there's even water anywhere
nearby.
Would you be surprised to know that it is EXACTLY this behavior that makes
me tend toward thinking it's perfectly fine if this world ends and even that
that result may, perhaps, be preferable?
In fact, with thinking like his in place, this world has no hope, but I
believe that won't be clear for at least another decade.
Why do I say so?
Isn't this the exact same ridiculing, "I know better than you" behavior that
people adopted ten years ago when claiming there was no global warming?
Close inspection will show that it's the same basic mechanism in both cases.
The same put-down game was played.
How sick does someone have to be to not only ridicule others, but to do so
over matters about which they are completely wrong?
When forced by circumstances that could no longer be ignored to admit that
there was in fact global warming, is it not, yet again, the same ridiculing,
"I know better than you" behavior among certain people who have begun to
insist that global warming is not caused by man, and that there is nothing
to worry about?
The reason this opinion is convenient is that if it's true, nothing needs to
be done. Because it *is* convenient to believe this opinion, it is held
widely, despite being wrong. I suppose it's more comfortable to believe this
convenient opinion and just continue driving, and mass consuming, and doing
next to nothing about the basic problem out of the false belief that there
is no real problem here.
It's like lemmings approaching a cliff at a dead heat and denying there's
any cliff.
Yes, well, going back to the leading-a-horse-to-water analogy, I believe the
horse is going to be led into the water and either drink it down in it's
entirety or drown in it.
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NeoLazarusx
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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"cupcake" <t@r.slrup> wrote in message
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NeoLazarsux wrote:
"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote:
NeoLazarusx wrote:
"Tang Huyen"
Evelyn Ruut:
"Tang Huyen"
Evelyn Ruut:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally
ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
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Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an
old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short,
it
doesn't work and you will get no definitive answers.
--
Evelyn
Heavy artillery or not, pyrotechnic on the screen is all
I need.
Tang Huyen
Why? Do the sophists put your name up on a plaque in the Hall of
Fame?
My goal is humble, namely to test the claims that people make. If it
takes just a little expenditure (a few mere words) to verify or
unverify the claims, and the results are spectacular, like pyrotechnic,
then that's eloquent enough for me.
If people didn't make claims, then I'd have no need for testing their
claims. But since people do make claims, I prefer to make my testing
as parsimonious as possible.
Tang Huyen
So... no plaque then. Well spoken though... Your stooges could use some
training however - especially Petie.
yu cud use ta put an act together, yu fucking loser
bwahahahahahahahahahahaha! ha!
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I'm retirning, Petie. I've already been to the top of the metaphorical
mountain music-wise, performing live in front of thousands of people... so
now it's just for fun. I leave it to you to make your 'promotional' gig a
money maker... meanwhile I'll just enjoy making the art part of it and you
can continue to be your own badass fly skimma self.
half-a-bee,
-NL
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Robert Epstein
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Tang Huyen wrote:
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Robert Epstein wrote:
Evelyn Ruut:
For the record, to correct the kind of thinking this subject title might
imply;
I claim nothing more than any other normal person if they knew what to
listen for, or to intuit, if they allowed themselves the freedom to hear or
feel. All being "psychic" means is that you know how to listen to your
hunches. Everyone has them, not everyone listens to them.
Oh for God's sake Evelyn. You must know by now that anyone who
professes any experience out of the ordinary is scorned and mocked here.
This might as well be alt.realism.empiricism for all the spirituality here.
Robert
I have no problems with claims, so long as the claimants can prove
them, and the best way for them to prove them is for others to test
them on them. To make claims is to ask for tests.
If people claim hunches and how to listen to them, let's test them
on them. Simple enough.
Tang Huyen
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go ahead and test.
myself am happy with anecdotal evidence,
as long as I don't think the person is deluded.
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Robert Epstein
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Evelyn Ruut wrote:
| Quote: | Oh for God's sake Evelyn. You must know by now that anyone who
professes any experience out of the ordinary is scorned and mocked here.
This might as well be alt.realism.empiricism for all the spirituality
here.
Robert
Dear Robert,
Yes, I know that, probably as well as anyone here.
But one thing I have learned in my life is that if you bend your truth for
others, you will never be able to face yourself. I tell the truth for my
own sake, and I think there are people who post here who know that. So I
don't care what they say.
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good.
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Robert Epstein
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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cupcake wrote:
| Quote: | NeoLazarsux (the wannabe unemployed with no gigs rock star)
wrote:
"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote:
Evelyn Ruut wrote:
"Tang Huyen"
Evelyn Ruut:
You call THAT a test of psychic abilities?
I know enough about it to know that would be totally ridiculous!
ROTFLMAOPMP!
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Evelyn
No need for heavy artillery when swatting a bug.
Tang Huyen
No need for heavy artillery or a bug swatter.
Using "scientific" testing for psychic abilities is like using an old
fashioned crank style needle phonograph to play a CD. In short, it
doesn't work and you will get no definitive answers.
--
Evelyn
Heavy artillery or not, pyrotechnic on the screen is all
I need.
Tang Huyen
Why? Do the sophists put your name up on a plaque in the Hall of
Fame?
the name of His High Most Excellency Tang Huyen will
ring through the planet long after his death
= the Pope of minor Papists. |
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Collectively Unconscious
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Good for you NL.
My mind is still having fun with the concept of "buddhist rockstar."
Possible band name...
Buddha and the Nothings
They'd have to sign with Samsara Records and then bitch to the press
about wanting to get on the Nirvana lable.
No one would be their biggest fan.
They'd have a couple crossover Masta Rap hits.
The lead singer would cut out during long guitar solos and do some
meditation behind the speaker stacks.
NeoLazarusx wrote:
| Quote: | "cupcake" <t@r.slrup> wrote in message news:4jy2b.9$9n2.292@news.more.net...
NeoLazarsux (the wannabe unemployed with no gigs rock star)
wrote:
[snip!]
1. I have a great day job, Petie. Music is just for fun.
2. I've been having that fun with the same group for over a decade.
3. Who cares about wanting to be a rock star? Certainly not 'me'.
4. Have you been a stooge for that long (a decade)?
5. Do you stooge for others, or just Tang? (for comparison sake because I
play in several bands).
Have a day,
-NL
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Ananda
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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NeoLazarusx wrote:
So... no plaque then. Well spoken though... Your stooges
could use some training however - especially Petie.
-NL
NAX
Pete/cupcake tends to be crude and primitive in his provocation,
but as such still is very effective. If you wonder why, well,
his targets are at that level, too, so to be crude and primitive
is all it takes to get his job done.
Some people engage in mud-wrestling with him day in day out,
month in month out, year in year out, and they play by his rules,
not theirs.
Tang Huyen
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Ananda
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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"Night_Seer" <ecamacho4 at hotmail dot com> wrote
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Ananda
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Mere mind games (was Re: Evelyn claims) |
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It's just your opinion here. It seems you are playing into Evelyn's game to
me. Nobody pays much attention to Evelyn more than you do. So it can't be
"just play" here. She triggers a mechanism inside you that just irritate you
so much that you have to scrutinise every word she says. What's the big deal
that she believes she is a psychic? I believe in ghost because I have
personally encounter one. Does that means you have to test my claim here?
"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote ...
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Ananda wrote:
Are you playing to Evelyn's game now?
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
I wrote often along this line (2001-10-15):
I can play along with anybody -- for or against.
And I take it to be *just play*.
Better yet, pure play of mind (pur jeu d'esprit) --
we only see dots on the screen. Anybody who takes
the tussle seriously does so by totally free choice.
Nobody forces anything on anybody else, nobody can
force anything on anybody else.
Around the same time, Evvie said quite the contrary:
I play no mind games, Bo, not ever.>> (to Pete/cupcake
or Bojanga, 2000-08-28)
I have not yet read DT's reply to this request, but
I would like to tell you that if this exchange had
taken place instead of DT, but with Tang, the
discussion would go on for years, with all sorts of
mind games and threats.>> (2001-10-14)
No, you only harass and harangue and play mind games
and give people your "nasty tests" for three years at
a time.>> (to me, 2001-10-09).
I consider him to be a pretty much of a bad guy and
a bully, who travels around in pseudo intellectual
clothes playing mind games for his own kicks.>> (about
me, 2000/05/31).
So even as I repeatedly claimed overtly to play
mind-games and mere mind games (purs jeux d'esprit),
Evvie totally denied them for herself but attributed
them to me as something very evil, and now she admits
that her own religion and "ALL religions" "are just
games we play with our minds."
So she goes over to my side and plays by my rules --
mind games -- and includes "ALL religions" in there,
too.
Pretty spectacular about-face, eh?
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Tang Huyen
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Mere mind games (was Re: Evelyn claims) |
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Ananda wrote:
| Quote: | It's just your opinion here. It seems you are playing
into Evelyn's game to me. Nobody pays much attention
to Evelyn more than you do. So it can't be "just play"
here. She triggers a mechanism inside you that just
irritate you so much that you have to scrutinise
every word she says. What's the big deal that she
believes she is a psychic? I believe in ghost because
I have personally encounter one. Does that means you
have to test my claim here?
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Now she's on record as saying that "ALL religions,
including buddhism are just games we play with our minds."
So she's *my best stooge*, as I said often in the past.
I couldn't pay her enough for saying that. She deserves
my gratitude.
Tang Huyen |
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Evelyn Ruut
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"Ananda" <chinsoo@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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NeoLazarusx wrote:
So... no plaque then. Well spoken though... Your stooges
could use some training however - especially Petie.
-NL
NAX
Pete/cupcake tends to be crude and primitive in his provocation,
but as such still is very effective. If you wonder why, well,
his targets are at that level, too, so to be crude and primitive
is all it takes to get his job done.
Some people engage in mud-wrestling with him day in day out,
month in month out, year in year out, and they play by his rules,
not theirs.
Tang Huyen
Are you playing to Evelyn's game now?
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Oops! Ananda "outed" me! LOL!
He's been coming along nicely, Ananda......
Heeeerre Kitty Kitty!
(wicked grin)
--
Evelyn
"Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having
nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst
into laughter." -Longchenpa
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Evelyn Ruut
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Ananda wrote:
It's just your opinion here. It seems you are playing
into Evelyn's game to me. Nobody pays much attention
to Evelyn more than you do. So it can't be "just play"
here. She triggers a mechanism inside you that just
irritate you so much that you have to scrutinise
every word she says. What's the big deal that she
believes she is a psychic? I believe in ghost because
I have personally encounter one. Does that means you
have to test my claim here?
Now she's on record as saying that "ALL religions,
including buddhism are just games we play with our minds."
So she's *my best stooge*, as I said often in the past.
I couldn't pay her enough for saying that. She deserves
my gratitude.
Tang Huyen
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Nonetheless I insist on the going rate.....
LOL!
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Evelyn
"Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having
nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst
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Return of the BWZ
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: Mere mind games (was Re: Evelyn claims) |
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I'm still waiting for my cheque.
Sean
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Ananda wrote:
It's just your opinion here. It seems you are playing
into Evelyn's game to me. Nobody pays much attention
to Evelyn more than you do. So it can't be "just play"
here. She triggers a mechanism inside you that just
irritate you so much that you have to scrutinise
every word she says. What's the big deal that she
believes she is a psychic? I believe in ghost because
I have personally encounter one. Does that means you
have to test my claim here?
Now she's on record as saying that "ALL religions,
including buddhism are just games we play with our minds."
So she's *my best stooge*, as I said often in the past.
I couldn't pay her enough for saying that. She deserves
my gratitude.
Tang Huyen
Nonetheless I insist on the going rate.....
LOL!
--
Evelyn
"Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is,
having
nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well
burst
into laughter." -Longchenpa
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