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If our minds are like a mirror tainted with past life karma, and karma has
no substance of it's own because of dependent arrising, can meditation on
karma's emptiness eliminate the karma?
Bill
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:03 am Post subject: Re: Karma |
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"Bill Cunningham" <some@some.net> a écrit dans le message de
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| Quote: | If our minds are like a mirror tainted with past life karma, and
karma has
no substance of it's own because of dependent arrising, can
meditation on
karma's emptiness eliminate the karma?
Bill
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Absolutely.
As Lama Zopa Rinposhe said in the file "Experiencing the Ambrosia":
http://www.gileht.com/Zopa/d-lzr.html
"While doing confession, if one can meditate on the emptiness of
each negative karma, it becomes unbelievable purification ---
powerful and unbelievable merit.
If one can't get the feeling of emptiness, then one should think
that it is merely labelled. After confessing each negative karma,
think, 'This is merely labelled, this is merely labelled'. That
gives you an idea of emptiness --- that it doesn't exist from its
own side. If this doesn't give directly the feeling of emptiness,
then think: 'Dependent-arising, merely labelled, subtle
dependent-arising'. This can help one get the feeling of emptiness.
Every time one meditates on emptiness, so much merit is accumulated.
As we have the freedom to practise the Dharma, we should make use of
this opportunity to purify and accumulate inconceivable merit in
such a short time. "
Lama Zopa Rinpoche, 30 Jan 95
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:26 am Post subject: Re: Karma |
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If our minds are like a mirror tainted with past life karma, and
karma has
no substance of it's own because of dependent arrising, can
meditation on
karma's emptiness eliminate the karma?
Bill
Absolutely.
As Lama Zopa Rinposhe said in the file "Experiencing the Ambrosia":
http://www.gileht.com/Zopa/d-lzr.html
"While doing confession, if one can meditate on the emptiness of
each negative karma, it becomes unbelievable purification ---
powerful and unbelievable merit.
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Like I said before, false prophets love to speak the words that every fool
wants to hear.
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If one can't get the feeling of emptiness, then one should think
that it is merely labelled. After confessing each negative karma,
think, 'This is merely labelled, this is merely labelled'. That
gives you an idea of emptiness --- that it doesn't exist from its
own side. If this doesn't give directly the feeling of emptiness,
then think: 'Dependent-arising, merely labelled, subtle
dependent-arising'. This can help one get the feeling of emptiness.
Every time one meditates on emptiness, so much merit is accumulated.
As we have the freedom to practise the Dharma, we should make use of
this opportunity to purify and accumulate inconceivable merit in
such a short time. "
Lama Zopa Rinpoche, 30 Jan 95
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:39 am Post subject: Re: Karma |
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"Bill Cunningham" <some@some.net> a écrit dans le message de
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If our minds are like a mirror tainted with past life karma, and
karma has
no substance of it's own because of dependent arrising, can
meditation on
karma's emptiness eliminate the karma?
Bill
Absolutely.
As Lama Zopa Rinposhe said in the file "Experiencing the Ambrosia":
http://www.gileht.com/Zopa/d-lzr.html
"While doing confession, if one can meditate on the emptiness of
each negative karma, it becomes unbelievable purification ---
powerful and unbelievable merit.
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If one can't get the feeling of emptiness, then one should think
that it is merely labelled. After confessing each negative karma,
think, 'This is merely labelled, this is merely labelled'. That
gives you an idea of emptiness --- that it doesn't exist from its
own side. If this doesn't give directly the feeling of emptiness,
then think: 'Dependent-arising, merely labelled, subtle
dependent-arising'. This can help one get the feeling of emptiness.
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| Quote: | Every time one meditates on emptiness, so much merit is accumulated.
As we have the freedom to practise the Dharma, we should make use of
this opportunity to purify and accumulate inconceivable merit in
such a short time. "
Lama Zopa Rinpoche, 30 Jan 95
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what is obvious to me is that i
would make a terrible buddhist
confession karma merit yechh |
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Bill Cunningham
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Karma |
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| Quote: | Like I said before, false prophets love to speak the words that every fool
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What makes you think Zopa is a false prophet? What about HHDL or HHK or Lama
Yeshe?
Bill
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Return of the BWZ
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: Karma |
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Nice to see you're practicing what you're preaching as a good example of
this.
sean
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and unbelievable merit.
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Mike Biggins
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Shame you cannot.
Love and Light
Mike.
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sean
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and unbelievable merit.
Like I said before, false prophets love to speak the words that every
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Mike Biggins
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Waffle will get you everywhere.
Love and Light
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"Bill Cunningham" <some@some.net> a écrit dans le message de
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If our minds are like a mirror tainted with past life karma, and
karma has
no substance of it's own because of dependent arrising, can
meditation on
karma's emptiness eliminate the karma?
Bill
Absolutely.
As Lama Zopa Rinposhe said in the file "Experiencing the Ambrosia":
http://www.gileht.com/Zopa/d-lzr.html
"While doing confession, if one can meditate on the emptiness of
each negative karma, it becomes unbelievable purification ---
powerful and unbelievable merit.
If one can't get the feeling of emptiness, then one should think
that it is merely labelled. After confessing each negative karma,
think, 'This is merely labelled, this is merely labelled'. That
gives you an idea of emptiness --- that it doesn't exist from its
own side. If this doesn't give directly the feeling of emptiness,
then think: 'Dependent-arising, merely labelled, subtle
dependent-arising'. This can help one get the feeling of emptiness.
Every time one meditates on emptiness, so much merit is accumulated.
As we have the freedom to practise the Dharma, we should make use of
this opportunity to purify and accumulate inconceivable merit in
such a short time. "
Lama Zopa Rinpoche, 30 Jan 95
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Tad Perry
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 2:12 am Post subject: Re: Karma |
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"Bill Cunningham" <some@some.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | If our minds are like a mirror tainted with past life karma, and karma has
no substance of it's own because of dependent arrising, can meditation on
karma's emptiness eliminate the karma?
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Interesting question, Bill. I think you probably already know the answer to
be "yes," but perhaps just don't believe it. Many "energy effects" (shall we
say) can take place during meditation, and a sudden releasing of "rigid"
structures in the mind and body is not completely unheard of.
When I released my Kundalini at the age of 21, that was a quite amazing
sensation. It's never happened that way since (although many other things
have) but there was a pulsing energy that would expand and contract, expand
and contract, right at the base of the spine at the bottom of the groin.
During expansion, circles of energy surrounded me from head to toe, but all
emanating from the groin. They would contract back in, rest and expand
again. This repeated many times.
Much karma indeed can be "erased" by such an action, I believe.
tvp
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Lhamo
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: Karma |
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| Quote: | "Bill Cunningham" <some@some.net> wrote in message
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If our minds are like a mirror tainted with past life karma, and karma has
no substance of it's own because of dependent arrising, can meditation on
karma's emptiness eliminate the karma?
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Putting aside kundalini energy explosions (ahem) the answer to your
question is no.
Can meditation on karma's emptiness produce positive karma, or
"tremendous good karma" as Lama Zopa Rinpoche might say? Absolutely.
Look at the Diamond Cutter Sutra:
"And suppose, o Subhuti, that I were to describe just how many
mountains of virtue would come to be possessed by one of
these women or men of noble family, the ones to come who
will create those mountains of merit. The living beings who
heard me would go mad; their minds would be thrown into
chaos." (translated by Geshe Michael Roach)
Can any karmic imprint ever fail to ripen? Absolutely not. Look at Je
Tsongkhapa's Lamrim Chenmo (p. 214, "The actions you have done do not
perish"), quoting the "Bases of Discipline":
"Even in one hundred eons
Karma does not perish.
Wen the circumstances and the time arrive
Beings surely feel its effects."
Think of how Nagarjuna died, with a blade of grass. That was said to
be due to some past karma where he harmed a blade of grass, or
something like that. If a tenth level bodhisattva, master of all
expounders of emptiness, is subject to karma, how can we think we can
ever eliminate the seeds that have been planted?
When we all attain nirvana, even suffering will appear the way it is
in reality, being in its own nature awareness, clarity, peace, and
fulfillment. In this way, all the obstructions to being able to
benefit all living beings will be cleared away. This is what we
should strive for. |
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Evelyn Ruut
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"Bill Cunningham" <some@some.net> wrote in message
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"Tad Perry" <tadperry@attbi.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Cunningham" <some@some.net> wrote in message
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If our minds are like a mirror tainted with past life karma, and karma
has
no substance of it's own because of dependent arrising, can meditation
on
karma's emptiness eliminate the karma?
Interesting question, Bill. I think you probably already know the answer
to
be "yes," but perhaps just don't believe it. Many "energy effects"
(shall
we
say) can take place during meditation, and a sudden releasing of "rigid"
structures in the mind and body is not completely unheard of.
When I released my Kundalini at the age of 21, that was a quite amazing
sensation. It's never happened that way since (although many other
things
have) but there was a pulsing energy that would expand and contract,
expand
and contract, right at the base of the spine at the bottom of the groin.
During expansion, circles of energy surrounded me from head to toe, but
all
emanating from the groin. They would contract back in, rest and expand
again. This repeated many times.
Much karma indeed can be "erased" by such an action, I believe.
tvp
Bill
Releasing the Kundalini I have always heard can be dangerous, atleast if
you
don't know what you're doing. My interests are in wiping out karma and
obtaining clairvoyance. When I say obtain clairvoyance I mean one can
better serve humanity with direct insight. Not to do evil things like
Milrepa.
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Dear Bill,
Obtaining clairvoyance is an interesting experience, but it often isolates
one. The biggest problem with clairvoyance is that no one ever listens to
you. They want you to use the ability for mundane stuff, or to solve
problems they are supposed to work out for themselves. It is often sketchy
and vague, and you don't always know everything. Yet there are times when
it can help someone in a way that no other ability can. You would think
that skepticism would be the biggest drawback but it isn't. It is the fact
no one listens.
--
Evelyn
"Since everything is but an apparition, perfect in being what it is, having
nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well burst
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Gileht.com
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Karma |
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"Lhamo" <lhamo@sbcglobal.net> a écrit dans le message de
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| Quote: | "Bill Cunningham" <some@some.net> wrote in message
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If our minds are like a mirror tainted with past life karma,
and karma has
no substance of it's own because of dependent arrising, can
meditation on
karma's emptiness eliminate the karma?
Putting aside kundalini energy explosions (ahem) the answer to
your
question is no.
Can meditation on karma's emptiness produce positive karma, or
"tremendous good karma" as Lama Zopa Rinpoche might say?
Absolutely.
Look at the Diamond Cutter Sutra:
"And suppose, o Subhuti, that I were to describe just how many
mountains of virtue would come to be possessed by one of
these women or men of noble family, the ones to come who
will create those mountains of merit. The living beings who
heard me would go mad; their minds would be thrown into
chaos." (translated by Geshe Michael Roach)
Can any karmic imprint ever fail to ripen? Absolutely not. Look
at Je
Tsongkhapa's Lamrim Chenmo (p. 214, "The actions you have done do
not
perish"), quoting the "Bases of Discipline":
"Even in one hundred eons
Karma does not perish.
Wen the circumstances and the time arrive
Beings surely feel its effects."
Think of how Nagarjuna died, with a blade of grass. That was said
to
be due to some past karma where he harmed a blade of grass, or
something like that. If a tenth level bodhisattva, master of all
expounders of emptiness, is subject to karma, how can we think we
can
ever eliminate the seeds that have been planted?
When we all attain nirvana, even suffering will appear the way it
is
in reality, being in its own nature awareness, clarity, peace, and
fulfillment. In this way, all the obstructions to being able to
benefit all living beings will be cleared away. This is what we
should strive for.
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You are confusing introductory teachings (lower Lamrim) about karma
and teachings about emptiness (higher Lamrim).
If it was not possible to prevent the ripening of pas karma the
whole path would be useless.
Karma is empty.
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Tad Perry
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"Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lion@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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Obtaining clairvoyance is an interesting experience, but it often isolates
one. The biggest problem with clairvoyance is that no one ever listens to
you. They want you to use the ability for mundane stuff, or to solve
problems they are supposed to work out for themselves. It is often
sketchy
and vague, and you don't always know everything.
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You must be talking about "not-so-clairvoyance."
tvp |
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Ch'an Fu
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In a milestone declaration for all buddhists,
Evelyn Ruut wrote:
| Quote: | Dear Bill,
Obtaining clairvoyance is an interesting experience, but it often isolates
one. The biggest problem with clairvoyance is that no one ever listens to
you. They want you to use the ability for mundane stuff, or to solve
problems they are supposed to work out for themselves. It is often sketchy
and vague, and you don't always know everything. Yet there are times when
it can help someone in a way that no other ability can. You would think
that skepticism would be the biggest drawback but it isn't. It is the fact
no one listens.
--
Evelyn
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As well as supermundane knowledge of the
future and other's karma - "...problems they
are supposed to work out for themselves."!
Levitation demo is next - stand by for lift-off... |
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Shiva
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Evelyn claims psychic powers! (was Re: Karma) |
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Ch'an Fu <chanfu@metta.lk> wrote:
| Quote: | In a milestone declaration for all buddhists,
Evelyn Ruut wrote:
Dear Bill,
Obtaining clairvoyance is an interesting experience, but
it often isolates
one. The biggest problem with clairvoyance is that no
one ever listens to
you. They want you to use the ability for mundane
stuff, or to solve
problems they are supposed to work out for themselves.
It is often sketchy
and vague, and you don't always know everything. Yet
there are times when
it can help someone in a way that no other ability can.
You would think
that skepticism would be the biggest drawback but it
isn't. It is the fact
no one listens.
--
Evelyn
As well as supermundane knowledge of the
future and other's karma - "...problems they
are supposed to work out for themselves."!
Levitation demo is next - stand by for lift-off...
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LOL. Some astronauts are worried that the Hubble space
telescope might not be serviced by NASA till 2007.
Perhaps... |
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