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 Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:56 am Post subject: Re: AVOIDENCE |
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| Quote: | If you would like to accuse a country or culture of this, so be it.
But to say an average religious individual "makes up their own...truth"
to avoid reality reveals a lack of knowledge and experience.
Do you defend the supernatural? (your truth) If you do, you are a magical |
thinker. However, more importantly you are a person who believes in the
supernatural out of conditioning (a polite way of saying brainwashing)
One does not have to be a genius to figure out the ONLY reason you are a
Christian, is because your parents were not Jewish or Moslem.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:11 am Post subject: Re: WHEN ARE YOU CHRISTIANS GOING TO GROW UP? |
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WHEN ARE YOU CHRISTIANS GOING TO GROW UP?
By New10
If it gets me to sharing in the glory of God for all eternity, absolutely
yes.
But you don't know what I'm talking about.
I know too well, what you are saying. You sound like a schizophrenic |
Schizophrenia and Christian Fundamentalism
By New10
This is a Definition of Schizophrenia and some of its symptoms.
Schizophrenia bears an uncanny resemblance to 'Christian fundamentalism'.
These are not my own definitions; They are snipped from recognized medical
sites and medical encyclopedia.
Definition
Any of a group of psychotic disorders usually characterized by
withdrawal from reality, illogical patterns of thinking, delusions, and
hallucinations, and accompanied in varying degrees by other emotional,
behavioral, or intellectual disturbances. Schizophrenia is associated with
dopamine imbalances in the brain and defects of the frontal lobe and is
caused by genetic, other biological, and psychosocial factors.
Symptoms
Delusions
Delusions are false beliefs that are deeply entrenched and
clearly not based in reality and are not consistent with cultural beliefs or
the persons' level of intelligence and life experiences. Persons cling to
these believes even after the believes are shown to be false.
These false beliefs may be very difficult for family or friends
to understand, since they do not make sense. Again, a delusion seems as real
to the person as a belief grounded in reality.
Specific Delusions
Bizarre delusions are hallucinations consisting of two or more
voices conversing with each other or of a single voice affecting a person's
behaviors or thoughts.
. Unworthy Said: - "How do I know God has said anything? I have
heard him speak in an audible voice".
. Phoenix said: - "As I was going about my daily task, the Lord
spoke to me...."
Hallucinations
People with schizophrenia may experience hallucinations. That
is, they may hear, see, feel or smell things that are not there. Just as in
a dream, where fantastic events can not be distinguished from real events,
hallucinations can not be distinguished from real events. Thus, the
hallucination of a voice talking is perceived in the brain just like a real
person talking.
Discussions about their objective truth or plausibility of the
hallucinations are not valuable. The experience is true and very vivid to
the patient and has to be accepted as such. Attempts to "set the person
straight" result in resistance, tension, and bad feelings.
Hallucinations are false perceptions or unreal apparitions. They
do not correspond to the stimuli that is present and have no basis in
reality. You have to remember that what is an hallucination in one culture,
is not in another.
'Ray of light' believes he can fly around outside of his
physical body.
disorganized speech or behavior
A person with schizophrenia may have disorganized speech or
behavior; so that what they do or say does not make much sense.
Read any post made by 'Young'.
Preoccupations
These are fixed ideas, not necessarily false (like delusions)
but overvalued. That means they take on extraordinary importance and take up
an inordinate amount of thought time.
One idea often returns and returns. Frequently it is a worry
about doing the right thing or doing it well or doing it in time.
Characteristically, the worry grows and becomes unrealistic. A common
sequence of events is for the worry to take up so much of a person's time
that the "right thing" does not get done and its not being done is then
attributed to the bad motives of others. Or it may be rationalized as God's
wish.
These kinds of explanations sound odd to others but to the
patient they seem warranted. He does not understand why others see them
merely as "excuses." To him they explain the facts better than any other
explanation he can think of.
Sometimes these preoccupations have a mystifying character to
them. They seem to require puzzling over and decoding. The schizophrenic
patient spends much time in this kind of activity and that is why he thinks
he has solved mysteries that others haven't, since they have spent no time
at it.
Denial of illness
Some individuals are able to admit to themselves that they could
ever be deficient or vulnerable in any way. Most illnesses that start in
late adolescence tend to be denied because adolescence is a time when
deficiencies are hard to accept. The problem of illness denial is that it
makes treatment impossible. This is true of all illnesses that require
treatment and is not specific for schizophrenia. Since lack of treatment in
schizophrenia can have serious consequences, families need to be especially
firm about this.
Schizophrenic Symptoms are continuous and persistent
Secondary symptoms (Mechanisms patients may develop to cope with
fundamental symptoms).
Hallucinations, Paranoid ideation, Grandiosity. argumentative,
Superiority complex, inappropriate laughter.
This describes chic-n-little perfectly. chic even types
"*laughin*" at the end of many sentences regardless of the absence of humor.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:11 am Post subject: A NEW DARK AGE |
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A NEW DARK AGE
By New10
The ugly Americans have sunk to a new low as a bunch of Bush
lovers. The Republican Party dominated by Christian
Fundamentalism, the most ignorant cult, will put American back to a
new Dark Age, where ignorance and Supernaturalism reigned.
Why did Americans vote for the age of superstition and ignorance?
Why did they vote for a Man who wants to repeal free choice for
women? (It sounds like male chauvinism.)
It seems that America, despite its wealth and technology, put
themselves in the same level as Third World countries when it
comes to religion; primitive, supernatural, mystical and magical.
That should have died off a thousand years ago.
Are we going to make Supernaturalism a topic of study in our
schools? Are children going to be taught mysticism 101?
President Bush lusting for power with the blessings of Christian
Fundamentalism along with the Catholic Church will destroy
America; something the Russians could never do. It is obvious how
religion infects the mind. It will destroy the minds of the young.
It
is already happening in our schools as Christian Fundamentalism
ignoring the laws of separation of church and state, were by stealth
bringing the fable and folklore of Creationism into the classroom. It
might take decades before we have another Renaissance, or an
age of Enlightenment, or perhaps never again. |
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Argos_waits
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:16 am Post subject: Re: AVOIDENCE |
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New10. wrote:
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If you would like to accuse a country or culture of this, so be
it.
But to say an average religious individual "makes up their
own...truth" to avoid reality reveals a lack of knowledge and
experience.
Do you defend the supernatural? (your truth) If you do, you are a
magical thinker. However, more importantly you are a person who
believes in the supernatural out of conditioning (a polite way of
saying brainwashing)
One does not have to be a genius to figure out the ONLY reason you
are a Christian, is because your parents were not Jewish or Moslem.
I was neither defending nor rejecting the supernatural. I was trying |
to help you see how people come to their religious beliefs. You made a
blanket statement that (I'm paraphrasing--but fairly I think--the
original post is available) claimed people encountered reality and
unable to handle natural truth, they then created a supernatural option
that was tuned to their personal level of comfort.
One of my points was that regardless of the existence or not of
anything supernatural--you are incorrect about the manner in which
people form their religious beliefs. You seem to have come around
though--since you directly contradicted your first post with your last
one.
My other point is that you haven't really thought the concept of
reality through. Reality is a big word--but what does it mean? Define
it please. In your mind, does it have to do with perception? Are your
perceptions always right? Do they change over time and if so, should
we believe the world is changing or that we are? Do you experience an
absolute reality that you are confident is the same as the one everyone
else is supposed to experience?
Why do you think it took people so long to see and get evolution?
Darwin will tell you if you'll read about it.
With better understanding of the thinking on reality I expect your
arguments will become a bit more friendly (you'll have a kinder
understanding of others) and a heck of a lot more rational. |
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PharLap
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:26 am Post subject: Re: A NEW DARK AGE |
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I appreciate your distress but have no fear.
What is happening is merely an essential and unavoidable polarisation
between reason and intellectual ability and on the other hand
superstition and ignorance.
Note above all that "fundamentalism" is a mindset that operates in many
religions , crossing the boundaries between them - It is merely the old
familiar FASCISM our fathers fought against and that many died
eradicating from the world of the nineteen forties..
This time is obscures its true nature in a religious guise. Its aims are
unchanged, for at heart all fundamentalism - all Fascism, is a terrorist
movement
Hitler, Himmler, Bormann, Eichmann, Mussolini are all dead
just remember the words of the Republicans in Civil War Spain
No pasaran!
They shall not pass
Our forefathers stopped them
So will we
And at less cost, because the world already knows them for the terrorists
they are!
And is vigilant - the price of liberty being eternal vigilance
The FBI recognises them for what they are already
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:37 am Post subject: WHO SAID IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE? |
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"PharLap"
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WHO SAID IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE?
By New10.
XX
The Jews in Germany thought it would never happen. What started
off as a
small fringe group of radical fanatics, the Nazi party, were
persistent on usurping
the German government that was relatively liberal. What started
off here in the
United States as a small fringe group of radical fanatics, the
Christian
Fundamentalists, are slowly usurping the democratic processes by
boasting their
take over of the Republican party. The Nazi party started off as
a grass roots
political party. Christian Fundamentalism started off as a
grass roots religious
party. As soon as the Nazi party gained political power, they
passed strict laws
against basic freedoms. Christian Fundamentalists as a minority
Fascist religion
wields power in our politics, and is pushing for curbs against
our basic freedom.
As the Nazi party grew in power and prestige, people jumped on
the Nazi
bandwagon. As Christian Fundamentalism grows in power and
prestige, more
Christians from other denominations are jumping on the bandwagon
of
Fundamentalism. The Nazi party when they gained complete control
of the
government initiated a reign of terror attacking Liberalism.
Christian
Fundamentalists have initiated a reign of terror by trying to
destroy any vestige of
Liberalism.
The Nazi party censored the arts. Christian Fundamentalists have
had a big
influence in censoring the arts. The Nazi party censored books -
Christian
Fundamentalists censor books in the classroom and some libraries
where they have
control such as in the Bible Belt. The Nazis persecuted not only
Jews but
homosexuals and intellectuals as well. Christian Fundamentalists
are persecuting
homosexuals and hostile towards intellectuals. The Nazis
outlawed abortion. The
Fundamentalists are trying to move the clock back when abortions
were illegal.
Christian Fundamentalists have been behind the campaign to
restrict abortions in
Federal funded programs. The Nazis persecuted atheists, left
wing political parties
and secular humanists (no matter what they were called in the
early 1930's). Born
again Christians are hostile towards atheists and secular
humanists.
The Nazi party formed a paramilitary force called the brown
Shirts. Most
paramilitary forces in the United States are comprised of
various factions of
Christian Fundamentalists. The Nazi party was undemocratic.
Christian
Fundamentalists and other orthodox groups such as Catholicism
are anti-
democratic. Hitler had complete dictatorial power. Catholicism
would like to have
complete dictatorial power as they once had in Poland, Ireland
and Yugoslavia. The
Christian Fundamentalists do not hide their wish to have
dictatorial power (Pat
Robertson for example).Hitler passed the Nuernberg laws that
imitated Medieval law of the Catholic
Church. Christian Reconstructionists want to pass anti-human law
of the bible of
three thousand years ago. They want the death penalty for
heresy, non-belief,
adultery, incorrigibility of children, breaking the Sabbath,
fake pretensions to
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prophecy (I'm sure the list will grow) homosexuals and liberals.
Hitler wanted
women to stay home and make babies and wanted to see men in
charge of their
wives. Christian Fundamentalists want women to stay home and
make babies and
teaches men to be the head of the household.
Hitler wanted Germany to be a Fascist state, Christian
Fundamentalists want
America to be a Christian nation. A Christian nation sounds very
much like a Jew-
free Germany.
The Nazi party attracted every schizophrenic in Germany.
Christian
Fundamentalism attracts every schizophrenic in America.
The Nazis' infiltration of the Reichtag. The religious right has
control of the
Republican party.
The Nazi party was Fascist. The Christian Fundamentalism is
Fascist.
The spokesmen of the Christian right like Jerry Fallwell, Pat
Robertson, Billy
Graham and their ilk denouncing homosexuals as the Nazi's
condemned the Jews.
Hitler killed homosexuals as he did the Jews.
The Nazis were peddlers of hate, Christian Fundamentalists are
peddlers of hate.
The Nazi party had control over the media. The Nazi party had
their own
radio station. The Christian right owns hundreds of radio and
television stations.
Hitler took away human rights and have it sound as if he is
giving Germany
power. The people of Germany were convinced that Hitler would
give them
freedom. The religious right wants to usurp the power of our
government and has
millions of followers who are only too eager to give up their
freedom.
Hitler wanted a strong military position and spent billions of
marks for war
equipment. The religious right also wants such military
expenditures.
I know there are more comparisons that can be made and you can
fill in
where I have left off.
Christian Fundamentalism hasn't the power as yet to act out
their anti-social
behavior and most appear to be nice decent people. Concentration
camp guards
who murdered men, women and children were seen as good Christian
fathers and
husbands. But as we know from experiments, once someone has
complete
dictatorial power their personality changes and they become very
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:14 pm Post subject: >ABOUT THE BIBLE |
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it is correctly ass_u_med that the story is incorrectly interpreted
because
the interpretation is made by
fallible people (= the sinners) who are vulnerable to errancies,
fallacies,
misleadingness
But not necessarily false or misleading.
duke
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Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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ABOUT THE BIBLE
By New 10
X
I am not a bible scholar nor have I read the bible,but I have read books by
Scholar's who have read the Bible. It would seem to me
that words spoken two thousand years ago would have a different meaning
today. From its translation from Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, Latin, English
during the course of history these past two thousand years there is some
words that get lost in translation. One other factor that we must take into
consideration and that is the Nicene counsel in the forth century that took
votes of what portion of the bible will be kept or discarded. Another aspect
we must take into consideration, there were further changes in the bible by
Monks sitting in their Monastery scriptorium rewriting worn out bibles to
fit their religious and political views of their time. This is also true
about the King James Version that used the king James English that changed
the meanings of words. Just like each religious denomination does today to
slant the meaning towards their denomination and interpretation of the
Bible. Since the nineteen fifties religious denominations have changed the
meaning of the bible yet again to extricate the vulgar language from the
Bible. Did you know there was a time in the later part of the nineteenth
century there were parts of the bible thought to be too pornographic and was
censored by the moral police of the time? The truth be known, no one really
knows what the bible means. I see the Bible as a work of myth, fable and
folklore. Not any different then the stories found in the Grimm's brothers
fairytales.
If you are not an etymologist, you don't know what the Bibles says
or
means either.
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New10. wrote:
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I am not a bible scholar nor have I read the bible
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Interesting.
For your information, it's usually better to read something before
proclaiming yourself an expert on it.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:17 am Post subject: Re: >ABOUT THE BIBLE |
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It does seem rather strange you'd be spouting off so about somethign oyu've
never acrtually read for yourself...
Sorta weakens your argument considerably don'tcha htink?
"New10." <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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it is correctly ass_u_med that the story is incorrectly interpreted
because
the interpretation is made by
fallible people (= the sinners) who are vulnerable to errancies,
fallacies,
misleadingness
But not necessarily false or misleading.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
ABOUT THE BIBLE
By New 10
X
I am not a bible scholar nor have I read the bible,but I have read books
by
Scholar's who have read the Bible. It would seem to me
that words spoken two thousand years ago would have a different meaning
today. From its translation from Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, Latin, English
during the course of history these past two thousand years there is some
words that get lost in translation. One other factor that we must take
into
consideration and that is the Nicene counsel in the forth century that
took
votes of what portion of the bible will be kept or discarded. Another
aspect
we must take into consideration, there were further changes in the bible
by
Monks sitting in their Monastery scriptorium rewriting worn out bibles to
fit their religious and political views of their time. This is also true
about the King James Version that used the king James English that changed
the meanings of words. Just like each religious denomination does today to
slant the meaning towards their denomination and interpretation of the
Bible. Since the nineteen fifties religious denominations have changed the
meaning of the bible yet again to extricate the vulgar language from the
Bible. Did you know there was a time in the later part of the nineteenth
century there were parts of the bible thought to be too pornographic and
was
censored by the moral police of the time? The truth be known, no one
really
knows what the bible means. I see the Bible as a work of myth, fable and
folklore. Not any different then the stories found in the Grimm's brothers
fairytales.
If you are not an etymologist, you don't know what the Bibles says
or
means either.
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| Quote: | It does seem rather strange you'd be spouting off so about somethign
oyu've
never acrtually read for yourself...
Sorta weakens your argument considerably don'tcha htink?
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That logic, if taken to its logical conclusion, would allow only biblical
scholars to debate or dispute the allegations of Christians.
If an uneducated hayseed has the right to make allegations in support of his
views on God, then so does anyone else.
The issue, in my view is not what YOU believe. You can believe in the
Man-In-The-Moon, for all anyone cares. The bone of contention is the threat
to our society that results from pushy religionists that use every possible
venue to IMPOSE their idology upon those of us that have not embraced the
same religious principles.
From Mormons and Jehovas Witnesses knocking on my door, to religious
broadcasters that constantly tell everyone that I am destined for eternal
punishment for not having "Accepted Jesus," to sidewalk evangelists that
interrupt me on the sidewalk, or blast their silly message to my unwilling
ears by using bullhorns, you folks have become really irritating.
And you invariably moan and whine that YOU are the ones being persecuted! I
don't know whether you actually believe that, or if you use it just to set
the rest of us off-balance.
I would support legislation that would restrict your right to bother
others--similar to the laws that regulate telemarketers. You may not
believe this, but there are many people that find your evangelizing
intrusive, obnoxious, insulting and rude.
And before you ask me to "prove" that Jesus wasn't the "Son of God," I would
ask you to "prove" that he ever existed at all! If you'd care to check the
scholarly literature, you will find that there is serious doubt that any
such person ever lived, and that the stories made up about his alleged
divinity actually were thought up long after the time that he was supposed
to have lived.
I suggest that you do a Google search and read Thomas Paine's classic work,
"Common Sense." It will give you some food for thought. You should open
your minds up to the other side of the argument--if your doctrines are
sound, they will withstand scrutiny.
And, if you DARE, have a look at the writings of Robert Ingersoll.
Ingersoll died over a century ago, but he was conversant with the Bible, and
he point out many inconsistencies and absurdities. You won't be hearing
anything like that in church this Sunday.
Use the brain that your creator gave you, and weigh the arguments for
yourself.
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Blessed for ever is God my Farther
and his Son Jesus Christ my Brother and Lord...1+1=2
Run Across Corinthians 2:8...bile's of man: wrong again...Surfing the news
groups looking for truth...hard too come by in these end days...well
prophesied of by my Brother Jesus...not God...although Jesus witnessed: that
he knows nothing except what his Father has showed him...that's showed
him...
Not showed himself ...1+1=2 ..........(Not) [1+1+?=3] or
[1+1+?=1]...worldly math...Roman Math...for you trinity folks: seems you
need a math lesson...
http://www.godstruthtous.com/RL/rlmatt1_18.html
God's Truth to us:...Cor 2: 6-8, That we speak of, is wisdom among them that
are perfect: not the wisdom of this world, neither of the *rulers* of this
world (which go to nought), but we speak the wisdom of God, which is in
secret and lieth hid, which God ordained before the world, unto our glory:
which wisdom none of the *rulers* of the world knew. For had they known it,
they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
bile of man k/j ver-sin: [6] Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are
perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the *princes* of this
world, that come to nought:
[7] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom,
which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
[8] Which none of the *princes* of this world knew: for had they known it,
they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
So you say yeah what's the big deal: rulers and prince, they both mean the
same thing! Not So...
Who crucified the Lord? When asked who yelled "crucify him"... "princes" or
"rulers" in God's First Truth *New testament* the word ruler is used 18
times as for rulers of the temple, synagogue and ministers of the people
"Jews": 8 times for rulers as in governors, princes and kings....
http://www.godstruthtous.com/notes/GogMagogkjvgay.html
Why would the paid scribes of the church of England (gog-magog) change the
word ruler to prince...simple: because the rulers of darkness didn't want to
take any blame, or seen as complicit with what they did to my blessed
Brother and Lord Jesus...yeah that's right...the spirit of the world of the
worldly...the same spirit that beat and murdered my Lord: is the same spirit
that drives the hell of religion and the templish worship (church) that
worldly christianity is today...
http://www.godstruthtous.com/notes/NJand7lies.html
The paid scribes of the church not wanting to be in any way associated with
the spirit of truth...as to the spirit (their spirit) that really Killed my
brother...The religious say "We would never do a thing like that"...Pontius
Pilate..."ya know" them wicked Romans did it...what did Pilate say about
Jesus "I am innocent of the blood of this just person" If you read in God's
Truth from the beginning of the chapter and even the chapter before, it's
easy to see who Murdered Jesus...not the Romans...or the governors, kings or
princes...it was the religious rulers [Jews] and they're temple
worship...who would not receive the Truth of God From God's very Son....why
did they beat and murdered Jesus?...
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood: but against rule, against
power, and against worldly rulers of the darkness of this world against
spiritual wickedness, for heavenly things.
What's it say?...For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...if we don't
fight flesh and blood...who or what do we fight...where's the fight....*in
the spirit* the fight rages on, more Now than ever, cause the spirits of
darkness know they're time is about up...it's always been the same...satan
trying to rise above God "spiritual wickedness" the spirit of the
world...the same spirit of darkness that Killed my brother and Lord is the
same Spirit that drives the hell of the religious doctrines of the
antichrist...the angel of light...with his ministers of Darkness...
http://www.godstruthtous.com/notes/churchalie.htm
Once again they're trying to crucify my Lord...How?...one spirit of
truth...14 different bile's of man...one spirit of truth...100 different
religions...one spirit of truth...1000's of churches all preaching
"salvation" (of corpses for 10%) tax free...I thought God's Grace was
Free?...it is!! the grace they sell in the churches isn't God's Grace...it's
die-grace...corporate christianity...literally millions of books, tapes and
die-votional booklets....more worried about the increase of numbers and the
enslavement of your soul...[plain hearted folks are just revenue]...what did
Jesus do to the money changers?...
God is gathering his own through Christ my Lord...right now in the
spirit...Too ever be with the Lord...a blessing...a conscience mended by the
loving hands of Jesus Christ himself...in the flesh and spirit, ever closer
to God the beginning of all...you can't serve two masters...either the one
and *only* spirit of truth: my Father's holy ghost...which comes from God
the Father...his own spirit will dwell with you to become one in spirit with
God the farther....mended by God's Son...1+1=2...or the spirit of the lie
witch is truth to the angel of light [satan] and his ministers...the
die-lusional religious ministers of Darkness.....If you see the darkness of
it all...that's a blessing in it's self...which blessing comes by the holy
ghost of God led to Christ...only you can open the door...Worship God and
Christ in the temple of the heart...where every day is the Son's-day...
http://www.godstruthtous.com/milk.html
If there's religion in your heart, there's no room for God's Truth...in the
spirit of truth...like Christ 2000 years ago same today...he's calling all
peoples out of the churches and the religious doctrines...of the ruler of
this world of the worldly...antichrist doctrines, i.e.. trinity, rupture,
1000 year millennial reign...that started two thousand years ago...and the
antichrist of religion are telling their flocks that this is up and
coming...Woe too such LIES...
For those who want the plain hearted truth...Christ is at the door of your
heart...only you can let him in...no one can do it for
you...knocking...right now...get out of the religious hell of the
antichrist...and let my Lord and Brother in...rid your self of the spirit of
the world of worldly religion....*religion* the word not found in God's
First Truth...nor *Trinity*....or *rapture*
( the word *church* only found 3 times in God's First Truth each time
referred too as pagan temples)
Gee would they do that??? I wonder why???
Can you spell ANTI-Christ...
http://www.godstruthtous.com/
In the spirit of truth
http://thysayingistruth.com
Of God my Father
And my Brother and Lord Jesus Christ
Too keep us safe and saved
Made ready for that new day
God Bless |
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Ninure Saunders
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Internet Legends |
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In article <r%78e.2418$mG3.2181@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:
-Please check www.snopes.com before forwarding anything compelling and
-urgent.
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-This week I've gotten the "reduce gas prices by boycotting Exxon and Mobil"
-and the one about saying a kind word to Kyle, who was planning to commit
-suicide. And the one about starving the Arabic oil suppliers by buying
-gasoline only at certain stores.
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-I know this is a silly place to post such a request, but lets keep the
-internet clean.
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No, it isn't silly to post such a request, since Urban Lefends are also
posted un the newsgroups
Snopes is an excellent place to checj thein gs out.
Akso good is:
http://truthminers.com/truth/index.htm
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk
Take my polls
http://ninure.100megsfree5.com
My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.MCCchurch.org
The Bible Site - help provide free scripture
http://www.thebiblesite.org
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Stormin Mormon
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 5:16 am Post subject: Koran Vs. Bible: Not a level playing field |
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"Omega" <2121@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:29pke.195$Is4.161@attbi_s21...
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archive\200505\FOR20050519a.html
This is in the category of "consider the source."
This message is meant to influence as well as inform.
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Saudis Shred Bibles, Rights Campaigners Claim
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com International Editor
May 19, 2005
(CNSNews.com) - Bibles found in the possession of visitors to Saudi Arabia
are routinely confiscated by customs officials, and in some cases copies
allegedly have been put through a paper shredder, according to religious
rights campaigners.
Reports from the Islamic world of the abuse of Bibles and other items
important to Christians emerge from time to time, but generally have little
impact - in contrast to the wave of Muslim anger sparked by a Newsweek
report, since retracted, of Koran desecration by the U.S. military.
"The Muslims respect the Koran far more than Christians respect the Bible,"
says Danny Nalliah, a Sri Lankan-born evangelical pastor now based in
Australia.
During the 1990s, Nalliah spent two years in Saudi Arabia, where he was
deeply involved with the underground church.
"It's a very well-known fact that if you have a Bible at customs when you
enter the airport, and if they find the Bible, that the Bible is taken and
put in the shredder," he said in an interview this week.
"If you have more than one Bible you will be taken into custody, and if you
have a quantity of Bibles you will be given 70 lashes for sure - you could
even be executed."
Nalliah had not himself seen a Bible being shredded but said the practice
was widely acknowledged among Christians in the kingdom.
Abuse of Christians and their symbols was not restricted to the destruction
of Bibles, he added.
A friend of his, a fellow Christian in Saudi Arabia, told him of witnessing
a particularly unpleasant incident involving a Catholic nun.
The man had been in the transit lounge at the airport in Jeddah - the
gateway to Mecca, used by millions of Hajj pilgrims each year - when a nun
arrived at the customs desk.
"Some fool [travel agent] had put her on a transit flight in Jeddah. You
don't do that to a Catholic nun, because she's going to be tormented."
"They opened her bag, went through her prayer book, put the prayer book
through the shredder ... took the crucifix off her neck and smashed it,
tormented her for many minutes."
Eventually another Muslim official objected to their conduct, came across
and "rescued" her, pointing out to the customs officials that she was not
entering the country but only in transit and would be leaving on the next
plane.
Briefed beforehand about the risks, Nalliah said he did not carry a Bible
when he arrived in the kingdom in 1995.
Subsequently, however, he took possession of hundreds of Bibles that had
been smuggled into Saudi Arabia to be used by believers there.
Nalliah said he had a close call one morning when armed members of the
notorious Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of
Vice - the religious police, or muttawa - hammered at his front door at 1
a.m.
With 400 smuggled Bibles "sitting on the dining room table," he believed his
life to be in serious danger. "That was a crime equal to rape, murder, armed
robbery, and in Saudi Arabia you get the same punishment," he said - the
death penalty.
Nalliah said he had prayed earnestly and, in what he could only describe as
a miracle, the men left without entering his home.
'Contraband'
Claims of Bible desecration in Saudi Arabia have been made by others.
"One Christian recently reported that his personal Bible was put into a
shredder once he entered customs," the late Nagi Kheir, spokesman for the
American Coptic Association and a veteran campaigner for religious freedom
in the Middle East, wrote in an article several years ago.
"Some Christians have reported that upon entering Saudi Arabia they have had
their personal Bibles taken from them and placed into a paper shredder," the
U.S.-based organization International Christian Concern said in a 2001
report.
In its most recent report on religious freedom around the world, the State
Department made no reference to Bible destruction, but said they were
considered contraband.
"Customs officials routinely open mail and shipments to search for
contraband, including ... non-Muslim materials, such as Bibles and religious
videotapes," it said. "Such materials are subject to confiscation, although
rules appear to be applied arbitrarily."
In a 2003 report on Saudi Arabia, the U.S. Commission on International
Religious Freedom, an independent watchdog set up under the 1998
International Religious Freedom Act, said: "Customs officials regularly
confiscate Bibles and other religious material when Christian foreign
workers arrive at the airport from their home countries initially or return
from a vacation."
Inquiries about the legality of Bibles and about the shredder claims, sent
to the Saudi Embassy in Washington and the Saudi Information Ministry in
Riyadh, were not answered by press time.
Koran vs. Bible
After Nalliah left Saudi Arabia in 1997, he went to the U.S. and took part
in the lobbying effort on Capitol Hill in support of what eventually became
the International Religious Freedom Act, signed into law the following year.
He heads an evangelical ministry in Australia, where late last year he and a
colleague became the first people to be found guilty under a controversial
state religious hatred law, after Muslims accused them of vilifying Islam
during a post-9/11 seminar for Christians.
Nalliah said this week it did not surprise him that Muslims have reacted
strongly to the claims that U.S. interrogators at the Guantanamo Bay base,
where terrorism suspects are held, had thrown a Koran into the toilet.
While Bible scholars say the Bible is written by men who were inspired by
God, Muslims believe the Koran is "the copy of an original that is sitting
in heaven, and has been sent down [by revelation to Mohammed]."
The book is seen as something sacred in itself, he explained, its words
having come "directly from Allah. That's why they are so mad when they think
something [unseemly] is being done to the Koran."
A Muslim will never keep a Koran at ground level, for instance.
The Pentagon says a January 2003 memo issued to U.S. personnel at Guantanamo
Bay instructed them to "ensure that the Koran is not placed in offensive
areas such as the floor, near the toilet or sink, near the feet, or
dirty/wet areas."
Even in Western societies, Nalliah noted, copies of Bibles could often be
found in witness boxes of courts, ready for use when witnesses are sworn in.
But the Koran will generally be kept in safe storage elsewhere, covered in
cloth, to be brought in when required by a Muslim witness.
He said such reverence for the Koran stood in stark contrast to some
Muslims' feelings about the Bible, however.
Nalliah said the Koran was "confusing" on this score. In places (e.g.: sura
29:46-47) it appeared to urge Muslims to respect the Bible and those who
believe in it; elsewhere it exhorts them to fight those who don't accept
Islam until they pay tribute and accept inferior status (sura 9:29-31).
According to author and Islam scholar Robert Spencer, "a devout Muslim might
very well mistreat a Bible, because traditional Islamic theology regards it
as a corrupted and unreliable version of the genuine revelations that were
given to Moses, Jesus, and other Prophets."
Spencer noted that in sura 9:30 the Koran says those who believe Jesus is
the Son of God are under Allah's curse.
"Throughout history, most Muslim theologians have held that the New
Testament has been tampered with since it teaches that Jesus is the Son of
God."
Some of the more notorious reported incidents of Muslims abusing Christian
symbols implicate Palestinian radicals, including the trashing of the Church
of the Nativity in Bethlehem in 2002; and the desecration of Maronite
churches in Damour, Lebanon in 1976.
In the Damour episode, Yasser Arafat's PLO killed more than 500 of the
Christian town's inhabitants before turning it into a stronghold, and used
the interior of the St. Elias church for a shooting range, according to
published accounts. |
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Rider
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:_nuke.17524$i42.9410@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
| Quote: | "Omega" <2121@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:29pke.195$Is4.161@attbi_s21...
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archive\200505\FOR20050519a.html
This is in the category of "consider the source."
This message is meant to influence as well as inform.
***
Saudis Shred Bibles, Rights Campaigners Claim
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com International Editor
May 19, 2005
(CNSNews.com) - Bibles found in the possession of visitors to Saudi Arabia
are routinely confiscated by customs officials, and in some cases copies
allegedly have been put through a paper shredder, according to religious
rights campaigners.
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Catholic for Sure
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Koran Vs. Bible: Not a level playing field |
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discuss it at www.godstudy.com
On Tue, 24 May 2005 00:16:58 +0000, Stormin Mormon wrote:
| Quote: | "Omega" <2121@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:29pke.195$Is4.161@attbi_s21...
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archive\200505\FOR20050519a.html
This is in the category of "consider the source."
This message is meant to influence as well as inform.
***
Saudis Shred Bibles, Rights Campaigners Claim
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com International Editor
May 19, 2005
(CNSNews.com) - Bibles found in the possession of visitors to Saudi Arabia
are routinely confiscated by customs officials, and in some cases copies
allegedly have been put through a paper shredder, according to religious
rights campaigners.
Reports from the Islamic world of the abuse of Bibles and other items
important to Christians emerge from time to time, but generally have little
impact - in contrast to the wave of Muslim anger sparked by a Newsweek
report, since retracted, of Koran desecration by the U.S. military.
"The Muslims respect the Koran far more than Christians respect the Bible,"
says Danny Nalliah, a Sri Lankan-born evangelical pastor now based in
Australia.
During the 1990s, Nalliah spent two years in Saudi Arabia, where he was
deeply involved with the underground church.
"It's a very well-known fact that if you have a Bible at customs when you
enter the airport, and if they find the Bible, that the Bible is taken and
put in the shredder," he said in an interview this week.
"If you have more than one Bible you will be taken into custody, and if you
have a quantity of Bibles you will be given 70 lashes for sure - you could
even be executed."
Nalliah had not himself seen a Bible being shredded but said the practice
was widely acknowledged among Christians in the kingdom.
Abuse of Christians and their symbols was not restricted to the destruction
of Bibles, he added.
A friend of his, a fellow Christian in Saudi Arabia, told him of witnessing
a particularly unpleasant incident involving a Catholic nun.
The man had been in the transit lounge at the airport in Jeddah - the
gateway to Mecca, used by millions of Hajj pilgrims each year - when a nun
arrived at the customs desk.
"Some fool [travel agent] had put her on a transit flight in Jeddah. You
don't do that to a Catholic nun, because she's going to be tormented."
"They opened her bag, went through her prayer book, put the prayer book
through the shredder ... took the crucifix off her neck and smashed it,
tormented her for many minutes."
Eventually another Muslim official objected to their conduct, came across
and "rescued" her, pointing out to the customs officials that she was not
entering the country but only in transit and would be leaving on the next
plane.
Briefed beforehand about the risks, Nalliah said he did not carry a Bible
when he arrived in the kingdom in 1995.
Subsequently, however, he took possession of hundreds of Bibles that had
been smuggled into Saudi Arabia to be used by believers there.
Nalliah said he had a close call one morning when armed members of the
notorious Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of
Vice - the religious police, or muttawa - hammered at his front door at 1
a.m.
With 400 smuggled Bibles "sitting on the dining room table," he believed his
life to be in serious danger. "That was a crime equal to rape, murder, armed
robbery, and in Saudi Arabia you get the same punishment," he said - the
death penalty.
Nalliah said he had prayed earnestly and, in what he could only describe as
a miracle, the men left without entering his home.
'Contraband'
Claims of Bible desecration in Saudi Arabia have been made by others.
"One Christian recently reported that his personal Bible was put into a
shredder once he entered customs," the late Nagi Kheir, spokesman for the
American Coptic Association and a veteran campaigner for religious freedom
in the Middle East, wrote in an article several years ago.
"Some Christians have reported that upon entering Saudi Arabia they have had
their personal Bibles taken from them and placed into a paper shredder," the
U.S.-based organization International Christian Concern said in a 2001
report.
In its most recent report on religious freedom around the world, the State
Department made no reference to Bible destruction, but said they were
considered contraband.
"Customs officials routinely open mail and shipments to search for
contraband, including ... non-Muslim materials, such as Bibles and religious
videotapes," it said. "Such materials are subject to confiscation, although
rules appear to be applied arbitrarily."
In a 2003 report on Saudi Arabia, the U.S. Commission on International
Religious Freedom, an independent watchdog set up under the 1998
International Religious Freedom Act, said: "Customs officials regularly
confiscate Bibles and other religious material when Christian foreign
workers arrive at the airport from their home countries initially or return
from a vacation."
Inquiries about the legality of Bibles and about the shredder claims, sent
to the Saudi Embassy in Washington and the Saudi Information Ministry in
Riyadh, were not answered by press time.
Koran vs. Bible
After Nalliah left Saudi Arabia in 1997, he went to the U.S. and took part
in the lobbying effort on Capitol Hill in support of what eventually became
the International Religious Freedom Act, signed into law the following year.
He heads an evangelical ministry in Australia, where late last year he and a
colleague became the first people to be found guilty under a controversial
state religious hatred law, after Muslims accused them of vilifying Islam
during a post-9/11 seminar for Christians.
Nalliah said this week it did not surprise him that Muslims have reacted
strongly to the claims that U.S. interrogators at the Guantanamo Bay base,
where terrorism suspects are held, had thrown a Koran into the toilet.
While Bible scholars say the Bible is written by men who were inspired by
God, Muslims believe the Koran is "the copy of an original that is sitting
in heaven, and has been sent down [by revelation to Mohammed]."
The book is seen as something sacred in itself, he explained, its words
having come "directly from Allah. That's why they are so mad when they think
something [unseemly] is being done to the Koran."
A Muslim will never keep a Koran at ground level, for instance.
The Pentagon says a January 2003 memo issued to U.S. personnel at Guantanamo
Bay instructed them to "ensure that the Koran is not placed in offensive
areas such as the floor, near the toilet or sink, near the feet, or
dirty/wet areas."
Even in Western societies, Nalliah noted, copies of Bibles could often be
found in witness boxes of courts, ready for use when witnesses are sworn in.
But the Koran will generally be kept in safe storage elsewhere, covered in
cloth, to be brought in when required by a Muslim witness.
He said such reverence for the Koran stood in stark contrast to some
Muslims' feelings about the Bible, however.
Nalliah said the Koran was "confusing" on this score. In places (e.g.: sura
29:46-47) it appeared to urge Muslims to respect the Bible and those who
believe in it; elsewhere it exhorts them to fight those who don't accept
Islam until they pay tribute and accept inferior status (sura 9:29-31).
According to author and Islam scholar Robert Spencer, "a devout Muslim might
very well mistreat a Bible, because traditional Islamic theology regards it
as a corrupted and unreliable version of the genuine revelations that were
given to Moses, Jesus, and other Prophets."
Spencer noted that in sura 9:30 the Koran says those who believe Jesus is
the Son of God are under Allah's curse.
"Throughout history, most Muslim theologians have held that the New
Testament has been tampered with since it teaches that Jesus is the Son of
God."
Some of the more notorious reported incidents of Muslims abusing Christian
symbols implicate Palestinian radicals, including the trashing of the Church
of the Nativity in Bethlehem in 2002; and the desecration of Maronite
churches in Damour, Lebanon in 1976.
In the Damour episode, Yasser Arafat's PLO killed more than 500 of the
Christian town's inhabitants before turning it into a stronghold, and used
the interior of the St. Elias church for a shooting range, according to
published accounts. |
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