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 Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: McCain Really is a Hero |
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Attempts to dismiss his heroism as a Vietnam POW don't match the
facts.
Write a critical book about John McCain, and you will soon become a
repository of many colorful rumors. These come in three general
flavors: 1) Did you hear about his terrible temper? (The subject did
come up, yes.) 2) Did you know he likes the ladies? (Fred Thompson
invoked "Marie, the Flame of Florida" at the Republican National
Convention, so, yes.) And, most popularly, 3) He wasn't really a hero
in Vietnam at all; also, I think they did something funny to his brain
there.
The answer to that last rumor, as far as I have been able to
ascertain, is that that dog won't hunt.
Rolling Stone magazine this month came up with one of the best-sourced
versions of the he's-no-hero argument, and by best-sourced I mean the
article quoted one fellow ex-POW on the record as saying that "he
wasn't exceptional one way or another." From there, the author went on
to conclude that, for McCain in Hanoi, the military Code of Conduct,
by which prisoners of war were supposed to abide, "went out the
window."
These charges are scurrilous. According to John G. Hubbell's book,
"P.O.W.," "No American reached Hoa Lo in worse physical condition than
McCain." That alone qualifies him as exceptional, no? And although a
broken and disease-ridden McCain did violate the letter of the Code of
Conduct when he offered more information than just name, rank and
serial number in an attempt to receive medical attention for his life-
threatening injuries, such minor capitulations were typical. Indeed,
they were part of the reason that President Carter amended the code in
1977 to append the phrase "to the utmost of my ability."
The harsh truth is that the overwhelming majority of POWs, including
McCain, "broke" under torture at some point. As would I, and certainly
any writer for Rolling Stone, in about five seconds.
Although McCain has received praise for refusing early release, some
critics rightly point out that he was just one of hundreds to do so.
Still, this glosses over the most pertinent part of McCain's heroism:
By all accounts, his noisy resistance to everyday humiliations, and
his profane outburst at a made-for-propaganda Christmas service in
1968, gave great strength to his fellow POWs. McCain was an inveterate
communicator in Hanoi, tapping code like mad to keep his comrades'
spirits up and even acting as chaplain when conditions in the prisons
started to improve.
As for the suggestion in Rolling Stone that Vietnam may have turned
him into some kind of erratic and unpredictable rage-aholic, just know
that little Johnny McCain was known for his outlandish temper at age 2
-- his mom used to dunk him in a bathtub full of ice just to calm him
down.
There are plenty of reasons to criticize McCain. But unless you think
that inspiring your fellow prisoners to resist and cope with
unbelievable acts of torture isn't heroic, then "hero," at least, is
one description McCain deserves.
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/129555.html |
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Bernard Peters
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: Re: McCain Really is a Hero |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:13:11 -0700, TianMeiguo wrote:
| Quote: | Attempts to dismiss his heroism as a Vietnam POW don't match the facts.
There are plenty of reasons to criticize McCain. But unless you think
that inspiring your fellow prisoners to resist and cope with
unbelievable acts of torture isn't heroic, then "hero," at least, is one
description McCain deserves.
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Not really....
Because he had a PRIVILEGED father in the service..
His poor scores in pilot's school...
He dis-obeyed commands about his mission...
Leading him to be shot down.....
Loosing a multi-million $$$ aircraft....
breaking under 5 years of torture and brainwashing...
being "nuts" as described by his own party in 2000
And people want to reward him by making him prez?!
Is he any better than the pilot that went AWAL?! |
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dxAce
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:03 am Post subject: (OT) Re: McCain Really is a Hero |
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Bernard Peters wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:13:11 -0700, TianMeiguo wrote:
Attempts to dismiss his heroism as a Vietnam POW don't match the facts.
There are plenty of reasons to criticize McCain. But unless you think
that inspiring your fellow prisoners to resist and cope with
unbelievable acts of torture isn't heroic, then "hero," at least, is one
description McCain deserves.
Not really....
Because he had a PRIVILEGED father in the service..
His poor scores in pilot's school...
He dis-obeyed commands about his mission...
Leading him to be shot down.....
Loosing a multi-million $$$ aircraft....
breaking under 5 years of torture and brainwashing...
being "nuts" as described by his own party in 2000
And people want to reward him by making him prez?!
Is he any better than the pilot that went AWAL?!
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That's 'AWOL' for you queers, minority group dropouts, holders of GEDs, those
who can't learn the code and all the rest of the riff-raff that make up the
Liberal/Democrat/Marxists. |
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Billy Burpelson
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Really is a Hero |
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TianMeiguo@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | As for the suggestion in Rolling Stone that Vietnam may have turned
him into some kind of erratic and unpredictable rage-aholic, just know
that little Johnny McCain was known for his outlandish temper at age 2
-- his mom used to dunk him in a bathtub full of ice just to calm him
down.
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Well, that's not very comforting.
You're saying he has been an "erratic and unpredictable rage-aholic" for
his whole life, since he was two, and still is. When "Hundred Year"
McCain decides to start another war, will his mommy still be there to
dunk him in ice and "calm him down"? We had better hope so. This country
can't afford another war (nor from the looks of it, the two wars we
already have). |
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ka6uup
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Really is a Hero |
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What a totally slimy individual.
You are not worthy of licking his feet.
Until you have spent several years in the Hanoi Hilton, you are not
qualified to make any comment what-so-ever.
However, with your total lack of any personal integrity whatsoever, you
will continue to blather.
Why keep your mouth shut and be thought a complete idiot when you can
open it (post to newsgroup) and remove all doubt.
Bernard Peters wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:13:11 -0700, TianMeiguo wrote:
Attempts to dismiss his heroism as a Vietnam POW don't match the facts.
There are plenty of reasons to criticize McCain. But unless you think
that inspiring your fellow prisoners to resist and cope with
unbelievable acts of torture isn't heroic, then "hero," at least, is one
description McCain deserves.
Not really....
Because he had a PRIVILEGED father in the service..
His poor scores in pilot's school...
He dis-obeyed commands about his mission...
Leading him to be shot down.....
Loosing a multi-million $$$ aircraft....
breaking under 5 years of torture and brainwashing...
being "nuts" as described by his own party in 2000
And people want to reward him by making him prez?!
Is he any better than the pilot that went AWAL?!
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Bernard Peters
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: Re: McCain Really is a Hero - Just plain stupid! |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:49:32 -0700, ka6uup wrote:
| Quote: | What a totally slimy individual.
You are not worthy of licking his feet. Until you have spent several
years in the Hanoi Hilton, you are not qualified to make any comment
what-so-ever. However, with your total lack of any personal integrity
whatsoever, you will continue to blather.
Why keep your mouth shut and be thought a complete idiot when you can
open it (post to newsgroup) and remove all doubt.
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What does spending time in the Hanoi Hilton have to do with being able to
comment about being president?!
I would like to think nobody would be stupid enough to vote McCan't as
president simply because they thought McCan't deserves pitty... I'm
setting the records straight about what's patriotic and what's stupidity
Again!....
Because he had a PRIVILEGED father in the service..
His poor scores in pilot's school...
He dis-obeyed commands concerning his mission...
Leading him to be shot down.....
Loosing a multi-million $$$ aircraft....
Spilling secrets to the commies
5 years of brainwashing...
being "nuts" as described by his own party in 2000 |
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k35454
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: Re: McCain Really is a Hero - Just plain stupid! |
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"Bernard Peters" <sis@boom.bang> wrote in message
news:GfidnSOqm-mC5mLVnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d@comcast.com...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:49:32 -0700, ka6uup wrote:
| Quote: | What a totally slimy individual.
You are not worthy of licking his feet. Until you have spent several
years in the Hanoi Hilton, you are not qualified to make any comment
what-so-ever. However, with your total lack of any personal integrity
whatsoever, you will continue to blather.
Why keep your mouth shut and be thought a complete idiot when you can
open it (post to newsgroup) and remove all doubt.
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What does spending time in the Hanoi Hilton have to do with being able to
comment about being president?!
I would like to think nobody would be stupid enough to vote McCan't as
president simply because they thought McCan't deserves pitty... I'm
setting the records straight about what's patriotic and what's stupidity
Again!....
Because he had a PRIVILEGED father in the service..
His poor scores in pilot's school...
He dis-obeyed commands concerning his mission...
Leading him to be shot down.....
Loosing a multi-million $$$ aircraft....
Spilling secrets to the commies
5 years of brainwashing...
being "nuts" as described by his own party in 2000
He deserves... pitty ??? k35454. |
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RHF
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: (OT) : Setting the Records Straight About What's Patriotic a |
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On Oct 22, 4:34 pm, "k35454" <k35...@direct.ca> wrote:
| Quote: | "Bernard Peters" <s...@boom.bang> wrote in message
news:GfidnSOqm-mC5mLVnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d@comcast.com...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:49:32 -0700, ka6uup wrote:
What a totally slimy individual.
You are not worthy of licking his feet. Until you have spent several
years in the Hanoi Hilton, you are not qualified to make any comment
what-so-ever. However, with your total lack of any personal integrity
whatsoever, you will continue to blather.
Why keep your mouth shut and be thought a complete idiot when you can
open it (post to newsgroup) and remove all doubt.
What does spending time in the Hanoi Hilton have to do with being able to
comment about being president?!
I would like to think nobody would be stupid enough to vote McCan't as
president simply because they thought McCan't deserves pitty... I'm
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- setting the records straight about what's patriotic and what's
stupidity
(OT) : Setting the Records Straight About What's Patriotic
and What's Stupidity : McCain -versus- Obama
- Again!....
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- Because he had a PRIVILEGED father in the service..
Obama's Birth Father Abandoned Him and His Mother.
Obama's Adopted Father Abandoned Him and His Mother.
Obama's Birth Mother Abandoned Him to Her Parents.
- His poor scores in pilot's school...
Obama went to Private School for the Elite
-but- Never went to Pilot's School.
- He dis-obeyed commands concerning his mission...
Obama admittedly Used Drugs -aka- Dis-Obeyed Laws.
{His Mission Statement : "That Was the Point" }
- Leading him to be shot down.....
Obama claims -wrt- Drugs to Smoked-It and
Snorted-It -but- Never Shot-It-Up !
- Loosing a multi-million $$$ aircraft....
Obama just fly's around in a 'free'
Multi-Million $$$ Aircraft
- Spilling secrets to the commies
Obama 'knows' Commies and that's No Secret.
-hint- Frank Marshall Davis
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/07f683f2888d8f1d
- 5 years of brainwashing...
Obama was Mentored by Frank Marshall Davis
for several years; and Davis was a Card Carrying
Member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA)
- being "nuts" as described by his own party in 2000
Obama is 'being' Worshiped by "Nuts"
- He deserves... pitty ???
NO PITY - Obama 'deserves' a Vote-Up -or- a
Vote-Down by the Citizens of American
"We The People" Must Decide
just vote - count every vote ~ RHF
- k35454.
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